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Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by NickE on Thu 7 Aug 2014 - 18:34


I posted the picture in another thread, but the picture fits better here.

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by SallyVern on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 11:35

@aquila wrote:It would be more than interesting to see what the weather was on PE's photographs.
This is supposed to be a photo of him in PdL but I thought he was with his two sons only so who is the woman and girl? Who took the photo? Anyway, if this is from 2007 then it looks very sunny.

**********I'VE DELETED THE PHOTO BECAUSE THOSE WHO KNOW MORE THAN ME SAYS IT DOESN'T LOOK LIKE PE**********

If this is a genuine photo of PE in PdL and he released it then why didn't he release the photos that he says shows Madeleine in the background? I can't help thinking they don't exist. 
I copied this photo from Aangirfan blog but think it was originally from a Telegraph article. 


http://aangirfan.blogspot.co.uk/2013/03/madeleine-mccann-kray-twins-margaret.html

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by Guest on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 11:38

That looks nothing like Philip Edmonds who was there with his three sons, then aged 6, 7 and 8.

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by HelenMeg on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 11:58

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That looks nothing like Philip Edmonds who was there with his three sons, then aged 6, 7 and 8.
Yes, it looks nothing like him, unless he has changed a lot from that Black 'n white photo.

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by SallyVern on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 12:02

@HelenMeg wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That looks nothing like Philip Edmonds who was there with his three sons, then aged 6, 7 and 8.
Yes, it looks nothing like him, unless he has changed a lot from that Black 'n white photo.
Sorry if it's not him. I was going by the blog post. May be I should delete my post in case it misleads guest who might be reading this thread.
Edit I've now deleted the photo :)

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by kimHager on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 14:21

Perhaps it wasnt Maddy so the police dismissed it as false?

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by HelenMeg on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 15:03

@SallyVern wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That looks nothing like Philip Edmonds who was there with his three sons, then aged 6, 7 and 8.
Yes, it looks nothing like him, unless he has changed a lot from that Black 'n white photo.
Sorry if it's not him. I was going by the blog post. May be I should delete my post in case it misleads guest who might be reading this thread.
Edit I've now deleted the photo :)
Sally - it ,may be him - just doesn't appear similar to that younger looking guy in the Black and white photo.... still people change and you never know...

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Post by Claire25 on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 19:23

Strikes me that he can't be that much in cahoots with TB to send that letter, no way would they have backed that IMO

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Post by Guest on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 19:46

@Claire25 wrote:Strikes me that he can't be that much in cahoots with TB to send that letter, no way would they have backed that IMO

To me he sounded supportive of the Mcversion of events of 3rd May.

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Post by Guest on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 20:02

Who ever has said he's in cahoots with TB?

It's clear that he believes the whole bundle of less than fragrant stuff in its entirety.

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Post by Woofer on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 22:00

@HelenMeg wrote:Heres another picture of PE

Thanks HM.  In the black and white photo his nose looks more turned up and garden gnomeish.

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Post by HelenMeg on Fri 8 Aug 2014 - 22:02

@Woofer wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:Heres another picture of PE

Thanks HM.  In the black and white photo his nose looks more turned up and garden gnomeish.
Hi Woofer - in the B/W photo he was a lot younger than in this one. He has put a lot more weight on now.

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The Edmonds Family...

Post by missbeetle on Sat 9 Aug 2014 - 9:07

Hmmm... Philip looks no stranger to the ol' hair dye.

I believe his brother Richard is a VP at the New York branch of Stemcor...

...and that this David Edmonds is his brother :


Philip's ex-wife I think is from Amsterdam - though I could well be wrong.

His Aunty Margaret shares the same middle name with Amelie - 'Eve'.

I'm curious as to which method Philip Edmonds replied to Tony - by post or by email?

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by Guest on Sat 9 Aug 2014 - 10:25

I have found nothing to confirm that Philip Edmonds is related to either David or Richard.

Will the answer to your e-mail or letter question, MissBeetle, provide the key that leads to solving of this whole mystery?

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The Edmonds link...

Post by missbeetle on Sat 9 Aug 2014 - 10:56

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I have found nothing to confirm that Philip Edmonds is related to either David or Richard.

Will the answer to your e-mail or letter question, MissBeetle, provide the key that leads to solving of this whole mystery?

Hmmm... I shouldn't think so, but I ponder, nonetheless...

I'm surprised Philip Edmonds replied to Tony at length, rather than by a courteous dismissal via his secretary.

His reply seems more elaborate than would be necessary -

- I wonder if it had been 'pre-approved' by Clarence?

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Post by Nereid on Sat 9 Aug 2014 - 11:21

@HelenMeg wrote:
@SallyVern wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:That looks nothing like Philip Edmonds who was there with his three sons, then aged 6, 7 and 8.
Yes, it looks nothing like him, unless he has changed a lot from that Black 'n white photo.
Sorry if it's not him. I was going by the blog post. May be I should delete my post in case it misleads guest who might be reading this thread.
Edit I've now deleted the photo :)
Sally - it ,may be him - just doesn't appear similar to that younger looking guy in the Black and white photo.... still people change and you never know...
The photo was actually of the Atwood family taken in 2011.

"Mike and Liz Atwood from Birmingham and their three children – Toby, 12, Lucy, nine, and four-year-old Tom – were among the few who braved the pool during the brief spells when the monsoon-like rains ceased. The family has holidayed in Praia da Luz many times and though Madeleine’s disappearance disturbed them, they have opted to return each year. "

The article is here, but the photo of the Atwood family has  been removed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/8469932/Madeleine-McCann-time-to-forget.html

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by Guest on Sat 9 Aug 2014 - 12:24

The photo is there, the second one of 2.

Thanks for clearing up that confusion, Nereid.

Nausea warning to those with delicate stomachs about the contents of the article!

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Post by kimHager on Sat 9 Aug 2014 - 15:04

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/8469932/Madeleine-McCann-time-to-forget.html

In the article it says murats property was dug up...was that the.driveway because i had not heard this...?
Sorry admin didnt mean to go off topic just read the article pls move if need be.

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Post by Woofer on Sat 9 Aug 2014 - 15:41

@kimHager wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/8469932/Madeleine-McCann-time-to-forget.html

In the article it says murats property was dug up...was that the.driveway because i had not heard this...?
Sorry admin didnt mean to go off topic just read the article pls move if need be.

I`m pretty sure they`ve got that wrong - his garden was not dug up, merely searched with sniffer dogs.

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by Tony Bennett on Tue 14 Feb 2017 - 19:53

@missbeetle wrote:Philip Edmonds' ex-wife I think is from Amsterdam - though I could well be wrong.

His Auntie Margaret [now Lady Margaret Hodge] shares the same middle name with Amelie - 'Eve'.

I'm curious as to which method Philip Edmonds used to reply to Tony - by post or by email?
I have been asked by email today, once again, about my brief exchange of letters with Philip Edmonds, a Mark Warner guest who was present in Praia da Luz the same week as the McCanns and the Tapas 7.

To settle some outstanding queries about my correspondence and the background to it, I will reproduce my letter to him dated 22 July 2011, which was sent by post to the offices of STEMCOR in London and Switzerland, and his email back to me dated 16 August 2011. 

Here are the salient facts:

1 Philip Edmonds took his three sons, aged 6, 7 and 8 on holiday with him to Praia da Luz for the week 28 April to 5 May 207. I believe it was also booked via Mark Warner. It is thought he may have been separated or divorced from his wife at this time.

2 He is a member of the extremely wealthy Oppenheimer family, as is his aunt, the controversial Labour Party grandee Lady Margaret Hodge, who was the Chairman of the Islington Council Social Services Committee at the height of the Islington Children's Homes child abuse scandal. 

3 Philip Edmonds is a member of the Oppenheimer family because his father married Hannah, the elders  of five children of the Hans Oppeneimer.

4 At the time of his Praia da Luz holiday, Edmonds was (and I believe still is) a Director of one of the world's biggest steel companies, STEMCOR, and its Deputy Chairman.

5 He became of interest to Madeleine McCann forums because a newspaper report that said that Madeleine had been photographed with his three children in the play area of the Ocean Club on Thursday 3 May 2007, the day Madeleine was reported missing. It was one of the many alleged 'proofs' that Madeleine was alive that day.

6 We discussed it on the forum in early 2011. Nobody on the forum could explain why this alleged photograph of Madeleine had ever been produced, especially as we don't have any other photo of her definitely taken after Sunday 29 April. So I wrote to Philip Edmonds: here is my letter and his reply:

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Tony Bennett to Philip Edmonds

From: Anthony Bennett MA                 66 Chippingfield
Tel: 01279 635789                                  HARLOW
e-mail: ajsbennett@btinternet.com                 Essex
Mobile: 07835 716537                                     CM17  0DJ

Mr Philip Edmonds, BA                        Friday 22 July 2011
Deputy Chairman
Uldry Steel SA
BP 1203
Rte de Lavaux 29
CH - 1800 VEVEY 1
S W I T Z E R L A N D

Dear Mr Edmonds,

re: Madeleine McCann

I have been researching the Madeleine McCann case in depth since September 2007, from the point of view of someone who is sceptical about the parents’ account of events.

I have obtained your name and details simply by examining many of the thousands of documents about the case released by the Portuguese Police and made public during 2008, which include lists of guests staying at the Ocean Club and/or with Mark Warners during the week the McCanns were there, 28 April to 5 May 2007. There is also amongst the documents released by the police a statement by a Stephen Carpenter, who now lives in Stevenage, who says that he spoke to a man who had taken three young boys with him on the evening Madeleine disappeared, and by a process of elimination we believe that must be you, as you are the only guest with three boys recorded as being present that week. 

One matter I have looked at especially, and have written about, is the controversial nature of many of the reported ‘sightings’ of Madeleine McCann on Thursday 3 May, the day she was reported missing. One of many curious features about the case is that only two photographs of Madeleine at Praia da Luz that week have ever surfaced. One was a photo of her playing tennis sometime earlier in the week, apparently taken by another parent. The other is the famous ‘last photo’ taken by Dr Kate McCann, one that was not produced for the public to see until after Dr Gerald McCann returned to England for a short visit in late May.

I have posted analyses on publicly-viewable forums querying the eight claimed 'sightings' of Madeleine on 3 May 2007. Clearly any photos of Madeleine alive on that day (or indeed on any other days of the week) would serve to dispel the doubts myself and others have entertained about the events of 3 May.

I am wondering therefore if you would kindly be able to tell me whether you or any member of your family had any contact with the McCanns and their children on Thursday 3 May, and also whether you have any photographs of Madeleine taken on that specific day.

I understand from the released files that you were living in Switzerland at the time Madeleine was reported missing but you may now be living in the U.K., hence I have sent this letter to Stemcor/Uldy Street SA both in Switzerland and in London.

I hope you may be able to help and look forward to hearing from you.

My contact details are above.

Yours sincerely,


Anthony Bennett   

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Philip Edmonds to Tony Bennett


Philip.edmonds@stemcor.com
To: ajsbennett@btinternet.com
16 Aug 2011 
From: Philip Edmonds philip.edmonds@stemcor.com
Subject: Madeleine McCann
To: "ajsbennett@btinternet.com" ajsbennett@btinternet.com
 Date: Tuesday, 16 August, 2011, 8:22

Dear Mr Bennett,

I am in receipt of your letter of 22 July regarding Madeleine McCann. I am sure you would appreciate that it would not be appropriate for me to comment too much, as we do not know each other, and I have no idea what your connection to the case is. However, I would also not want further conspiracy theories to fester by simply ignoring your letter.

Therefore, I can confirm that whatever information I had (including some photos of my sons taken on the day Madeleine disappeared, which showed her in the background) was passed both to the police and to the McCanns at the time. Having been in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and seen all of the events first hand, there is not one shred of doubt in my mind that the events as reported were correct. In fact one of the most terrible parts of this tragedy is that there are people out there who are questioning this, just adding further to the nightmare that the McCann family have suffered. I cannot imagine anything crueller.

I’m afraid I won’t enter into further correspondence on this matter with you. 

Yours sincerely,
 

Philip Edmonds

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Who was in the photo?

Post by worriedmum on Tue 14 Feb 2017 - 20:13

@kimHager wrote:Perhaps it wasn't Maddy so the police dismissed it as false?
KimHager - that could be areally important point.  Philip Edmonds took a picture of who he believed to be Madeleine. A police officer compares it with a genuine picture of Madeleine and thinks PE has made a mistake...and dismisses it...

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Re: Philip Edmonds, Deputy Chairman of Stemcor, and nephew of Lady Margaret Hodge - Pictures of Madeleine, and the letters between Tony Bennett & Philip Edmonds in 2011

Post by Tony Bennett on Tue 14 Feb 2017 - 20:36

@worriedmum wrote:
@kimHager wrote:Perhaps it wasn't Maddy so the police dismissed it as false?
KimHager - that could be areally important point.  Philip Edmonds took a picture of who he believed to be Madeleine. A police officer compares it with a genuine picture of Madeleine and thinks PE has made a mistake...and dismisses it...
I'm afraid that that explanation simply doesn't fit the facts.

Let's recall that this claim about Madeleine being seen on a photograph taken by Edmonds was placed in the media by a well-placed source - and we all know by now who that is likely to be. Whoever the source was must have checked with Edmonds that such a photograph existed...

...or did he? Could the entire story about the photograph just be yet one more fabrication to help move the aductioon narrative along still furher - and entrench it in the minds of the majority of the British public?  

Then again, what evidence do we have that Edmonds did actually pass any photo to the police? Go back to Blue Bag's OP and he questions this - for the very good reason that there's no reference to it in the files.

And then consider this claim of Edmonds (from his letter):

"Having been in Portugal at the time of Madeleine’s disappearance and seen all of the events first hand, there is not one shred of doubt in my mind that the events as reported were correct."

What? Seen 'all' the events?

'First-hand'?

'Not one shred of doubt'?

'All the reports are correct'??!! 

Has he read, just to give one example, the accounts of Kate McCann and David Payne of an alleged meeting between them at around 6.30pm on 3 May, and considered the 20 contradictions between them?

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