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Post by MissDaisy on 09.06.14 13:49

@sallypelt wrote:I found the timing of this information "interesting" to say the least:

In early-2003, The Sunday Times was given a list of suspected paedophiles either under investigation, or wanted for questioning in connection with using credit cards to access child pornography on the internet according to Operation Ore. The list was quoted by several sources as containing; “The former chairman of one of the City’s biggest firms of stockbrokers, a senior director of a well known drinks company, a millionaire business colleague of one of Britain’s best-known entrepreneurs, a director of one of the country’s biggest construction companies, a prominent City PR man who acts as an intermediary between boardrooms, the media and the government. (I wonder who this could be? my insert) He said last week that police had not visited his home, a former director of one of the world’s biggest pharmaceuticals companies. a senior partner at a multinational accountancy firm, a top executive at a large manufacturing company. Others on the list include a senior teacher at an exclusive girls’ public school, services personnel from at least five military bases, GPs, university academics and civil servants. Many are married and respected members of their local communities.
www.sundaytimes.co.uk” (registration required, and obviously now redacted) It was at this point that Blair used one of Britain’s most draconian practices the D-Notice, to shut down and prohibit all further reporting on the subject under the penalty of imprisonment. Unfortunately for Blair, he was unable to do this quick enough to save the hide of his closest personal advisor, Philip Lyon.


Full test on this link: http://iamkare.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/operation-ore/
Philip Lyon was a Clerk at the House of Commons, not one of Blairs closet advisors. He will have been in contact with MPs but it is unlikely he would have been close to Tony Blair.

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Post by tasprin on 09.06.14 13:51

@fossey wrote:Where and what is Mark Harrison doing these days?

Does anybody know?


Australian Academy of Forensic Sciences
August 2013
In 2010 Mark [Harrison] joined the Australian Federal Police as the coordinator of their crime scene sciences department and was promoted to Commander in February 2012 where he currently leads a large diverse team of operational forensic staff
http://forensicacademy.org/site/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Efficient-Forensic-Science-2.pdf

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Post by sallypelt on 09.06.14 13:58

@MissDaisy wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:I found the timing of this information "interesting" to say the least:

In early-2003, The Sunday Times was given a list of suspected paedophiles either under investigation, or wanted for questioning in connection with using credit cards to access child pornography on the internet according to Operation Ore. The list was quoted by several sources as containing; “The former chairman of one of the City’s biggest firms of stockbrokers, a senior director of a well known drinks company, a millionaire business colleague of one of Britain’s best-known entrepreneurs, a director of one of the country’s biggest construction companies, a prominent City PR man who acts as an intermediary between boardrooms, the media and the government. (I wonder who this could be? my insert) He said last week that police had not visited his home, a former director of one of the world’s biggest pharmaceuticals companies. a senior partner at a multinational accountancy firm, a top executive at a large manufacturing company. Others on the list include a senior teacher at an exclusive girls’ public school, services personnel from at least five military bases, GPs, university academics and civil servants. Many are married and respected members of their local communities.
www.sundaytimes.co.uk” (registration required, and obviously now redacted) It was at this point that Blair used one of Britain’s most draconian practices the D-Notice, to shut down and prohibit all further reporting on the subject under the penalty of imprisonment. Unfortunately for Blair, he was unable to do this quick enough to save the hide of his closest personal advisor, Philip Lyon.


Full test on this link: http://iamkare.wordpress.com/2012/11/11/operation-ore/
Philip Lyon was a Clerk at the House of Commons, not one of Blairs closet advisors. He will have been in contact with MPs but it is unlikely he would have been close to Tony Blair.

I should have made it clear in my post that the above is copied and pasted from the link provided. I have highlighted some of the text for emphasis. However, if one reads the full text it's hair-raising. Read what Jimmy Savile, allegedly, wrote in 1974.

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Post by CynicAl on 09.06.14 14:07

@ChippyM wrote:
Google.Gasgate cpar.Statements wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
@MissDaisy wrote:The more I think about this surely if the intelligence services were involved we would never have heard about this case or at most it would been very quickly wrappal ined up.


I agree MissDaisy  yes
What, like Princess Diana's cainly ase was quicklment was more sphecific then it could be as simple as the case being y and quietly wrapped up and never heard of again?

Or David Kelly?

And so on.

  At least those two cases had a body and had some kind of 'official' conclusion.  I just can't work out why if Mi5 were involved they didn't come up with some conclusion earlier.
  Maybe the disposing of the body  was all the involvement they needed to cover up what happened and they no longer care what happens now. I doubt Amaral is wrong about Mi5 being involved but it just seems to generate more questions rather than answers.

MI5 don't investigate crimes. They are not a police force. They routinely consult WITH police forces, but their mandate is the gathering of intelligence and the use of that intelligence to protect HM interests. 

They were probably routinely dispatched to monitor the situation, if their involvement was more specific than that it could be as simple as the case being a little too close to an individual or location that the 5 had special interest in. Eg. Do the 5 have a point man in PDL? They certainly moved fast. Were they automatically deployed with the ambassador's team? Did the FO engage them to get background intel on the T7 when they heard that the Mc's were part of a bigger group that were supposedly performing routine security checks on the kids? I imagine that the FO first reaction was like SY's... Who's looking at the parents, and/or 'do we have any big name international pedophiles in town. 

could be really simple.

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Post by mouse on 09.06.14 14:09

cynicAL wrote: "By waking a sleeping dog in order to put it back to sleep you only serve to increase the risk that people who weren' t asking questions before will ask them in the future, and you'll only get one shot at putting tlhis one to bed..."

But they didn't need to wake any dog did they.....GA wouldn't go to sleep! He had the cheek to actually want to publish a book detailing the investigation, and all the details were already out there in the files on the net. The genie was already out of the bottle - so all they could do was attempt to block the voice (GA)  who wished to bring this information to the public worldwide via his books. 

Oh, but I believe the amaral's family pet dog was put to sleep wasn't it.....Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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Post by noddy100 on 09.06.14 14:13

Thank you 
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:The tweet noddy100 was referring to (I assume):

Harry Blackwood ‏@blamedandshamed  17h
MADDY LATEST: More top info. Drug dealers in Portugal police want to speak to are NOT suspects.

Harry Blackwood @blamedandshamed  ·  17h
MADDY LATEST. Info I've just picked up. Police searches are based on  the Smith (Irish) family sighting of man (Gerry McCann) carrying child

Harry Blackwood @blamedandshamed  ·  Jun 8
MADDY LATEST. Men to be questioned are drug dealers who used their mobile phones a lot when she vanished. FFS. That's what drug dealers do.
Thank you :)

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Post by tasprin on 09.06.14 14:24

@noddy100 wrote:Thank you 
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:The tweet noddy100 was referring to (I assume):

Harry Blackwood ‏@blamedandshamed  17h
MADDY LATEST: More top info. Drug dealers in Portugal police want to speak to are NOT suspects.

Harry Blackwood @blamedandshamed  ·  17h
MADDY LATEST. Info I've just picked up. Police searches are based on  the Smith (Irish) family sighting of man (Gerry McCann) carrying child

Harry Blackwood @blamedandshamed  ·  Jun 8
MADDY LATEST. Men to be questioned are drug dealers who used their mobile phones a lot when she vanished. FFS. That's what drug dealers do.
Thank you :)

Interesting piece in the Spectator re Harry Blackwood

Spectator
Did Mr Mandelson and Mr Blair conspire to get rid of a troublesome editor?
Stephen Glover
8 March 2003  

Our old friend Peter Mandelson is alleged to have engineered the removal of Harry Blackwood, editor of the Hartlepool Mail, a newspaper in Mr Mandelson’s constituency. Tony Blair is supposed to have made a telephone call on Mr Mandelson’s behalf which may have been instrumental in Mr Blackwood’s suspension. These and other allegations have been raised by Simon Walters in two fascinating articles in the Mail on Sunday. As is often the case on these occasions, the plot is a complicated one; smoke swirls around the battlefield, and after a time it becomes difficult to discern the key figures as they slog it out with claim and counterclaim. I therefore intend to concentrate on the undisputed facts, which in themselves appear to show Mr Mandelson in a very poor light.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/columnists/10925/did-mr-mandelson-and-mr-blair-conspire-to-get-rid-of-a-troublesome-editor/

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Post by AndyB on 09.06.14 14:36

@CynicAl wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@CynicAl wrote:Remember, the cover up has failed to cover anything up. The suspicions and evidences are in the open. And awakening a sleeping dog in order to make sure it goes to sleep is an exercise in futility, in fact it is counter productive because the barking has set off all the other dogs in the neighbourhood. A cover up of a case already in the open is achieved first by controlling opinion, not information. Opinion steering is done in the media. Yet the media are clearly not resolved and in concert at the dictate of a media handler (CM),  they're running scared from processes enacted by private individuals (SI/CR). A cover up could be achieved by simply letting Maddie go, formally, officially, a deeply mysterious cold case.
Perhaps the cover-up hasn't failed and is actually a spectacular success. Its only failed if you think that its limited to hiding the McCanns' involvement in their daughters death but to my mind that doesn't make any sense; why on earth would the establishment give two hoots about the McCanns? If there is a cover-up going on it is something or someone else that is being protected, not the McCanns who have just been collateral beneficiaries.

As to Madeleine's disappearance becoming an officially unsolvable cold case, there are many who believe that is exactly where we are heading. This is the exact situation we were in until the Portuguese published the case files. Even then, officialdom ignored it, helped by a press that is gagged by our repressive libel laws and possibly DA notices and/or super injunctions. It was only when Rebekah Brooks threatened the PM (and I'd love to know what Cameron was so scared of) that there was no choice but to open a review that would look thorough while at the same time distracting attention away from whatever it is that is really being covered-up

@CynicAl wrote:So the purpose of interference has to be something else in which what happened to Maddie is a deeply inconvenient event which occured in the background of something else, where continued scrutiny to the Maddie case might unearth something unrelated by highly explosive.
Exactly! Why do you think its impossible that the something else is being covered up?
Ok, so we'll imagine for a second that we all live in Wonderland and I'll then concede that if the white-wash's purpose was to make a ballsed-up cover-up of an accidental crime look like a covered-up ballsed-up cover-up of an accidental crime then it was a roaring success. Clearly I'm prejudiced by definitions of the terms 'cover-up' and 'white-wash' which exist outside of Wonderland. It was my understanding that white-wash was the process of making something murky look infinitely less murky, and that cover-up was to make something which is apparent and accessible be less apparent and accessible.
There is really no need to be so patronising and offensive. Disagree with me as much as you like but I am entitled to voice my opinions without you trying to ridicule me. There's nothing wrong with being polite and respectful.

Perhaps you could clarify what you meant by "So the purpose of interference has to be something else in which what happened to Maddie is a deeply inconvenient event which occured in the background of something else, where continued scrutiny to the Maddie case might unearth something unrelated". If I read this correctly you're saying that the powers that be interfered to prevent something unrelated being unearthed. Substitute "uncovered" for "unearthed" and we're both saying the same thing; that there's a cover-up! How is it logical when you say it but Wonderland when I say it? Or were you attempting to be ironic?

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Post by aquila on 09.06.14 14:51

@AndyB wrote:
@CynicAl wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@CynicAl wrote:Remember, the cover up has failed to cover anything up. The suspicions and evidences are in the open. And awakening a sleeping dog in order to make sure it goes to sleep is an exercise in futility, in fact it is counter productive because the barking has set off all the other dogs in the neighbourhood. A cover up of a case already in the open is achieved first by controlling opinion, not information. Opinion steering is done in the media. Yet the media are clearly not resolved and in concert at the dictate of a media handler (CM),  they're running scared from processes enacted by private individuals (SI/CR). A cover up could be achieved by simply letting Maddie go, formally, officially, a deeply mysterious cold case.
Perhaps the cover-up hasn't failed and is actually a spectacular success. Its only failed if you think that its limited to hiding the McCanns' involvement in their daughters death but to my mind that doesn't make any sense; why on earth would the establishment give two hoots about the McCanns? If there is a cover-up going on it is something or someone else that is being protected, not the McCanns who have just been collateral beneficiaries.

As to Madeleine's disappearance becoming an officially unsolvable cold case, there are many who believe that is exactly where we are heading. This is the exact situation we were in until the Portuguese published the case files. Even then, officialdom ignored it, helped by a press that is gagged by our repressive libel laws and possibly DA notices and/or super injunctions. It was only when Rebekah Brooks threatened the PM (and I'd love to know what Cameron was so scared of) that there was no choice but to open a review that would look thorough while at the same time distracting attention away from whatever it is that is really being covered-up

@CynicAl wrote:So the purpose of interference has to be something else in which what happened to Maddie is a deeply inconvenient event which occured in the background of something else, where continued scrutiny to the Maddie case might unearth something unrelated by highly explosive.
Exactly! Why do you think its impossible that the something else is being covered up?
Ok, so we'll imagine for a second that we all live in Wonderland and I'll then concede that if the white-wash's purpose was to make a ballsed-up cover-up of an accidental crime look like a covered-up ballsed-up cover-up of an accidental crime then it was a roaring success. Clearly I'm prejudiced by definitions of the terms 'cover-up' and 'white-wash' which exist outside of Wonderland. It was my understanding that white-wash was the process of making something murky look infinitely less murky, and that cover-up was to make something which is apparent and accessible be less apparent and accessible.
There is really no need to be so patronising and offensive. Disagree with me as much as you like but I am entitled to voice my opinions without you trying to ridicule me. There's nothing wrong with being polite and respectful.

Perhaps you could clarify what you meant by "So the purpose of interference has to be something else in which what happened to Maddie is a deeply inconvenient event which occured in the background of something else, where continued scrutiny to the Maddie case might unearth something unrelated". If I read this correctly you're saying that the powers that be interfered to prevent something unrelated being unearthed. Substitute "uncovered" for "unearthed" and we're both saying the same thing; that there's a cover-up! How is it logical when you say it but Wonderland when I say it? Or were you attempting to be ironic?
I wouldn't bother AndyB, some people talk in riddles, write in riddles and ridicule others on the forum. It's just the way with some folk.

@CynicAl. How come you speak of MI5 with any authority?

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Post by tigger on 09.06.14 15:03

@Mirage wrote:I find it interesting to look back at a snapshot of the political landscape of the time.

 In amongst the feuding between Gordon Brown and Tony Blair over the leadership issue (remember the Curry House agreement and the ice-cream Blair bought Brown - no love lost there, especially when Cherie waded into the fray accusing Brown of making their lives a misery or words to that effect). Anyway, in the middle of all this building heat I remember Alan Milburn (constituency in Darlington, next door to Blair in Sedgefield) suddenly and unexpectedly resigned from cabinet as Secretary of State for Health on 12 June 2007, saying he wanted to spend more time with his family.


This from BBC news report at the time:
Reacting to the suggestion that political commentators would be looking for ulterior motives behind Mr Milburn's decision, the MP replied: "I understand that and they are wrong. I understand that there will be motives suggested about this.
"There will be implications and there will be the wildest of conspiracy theories about this."
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27th June 2007
Brown takes over from Blair as Prime Minister

I find it essential Mirage!
i could never work out why all the stops were pulled out for two nobodies.
Ah! Just a very wild idea, pure fantasy, might there ever have been a holiday snap with Milburn in the background?
If there was a VIP-ish person around who may have left ahead of schedule, say on the morning of the fourth, the prompt arrival of the ambassador makes a lot more sense.

As for more political background, Blair's overweening ambition for the European presidency is imo a very possible factor.
Time was when politicians were statesmen, not social climbers out for money and status.
I also remember Blair's anxiety about not wearing the right trousers on a photoshoot with Bush and Co in Camp David.
The 'talks' at the time were a foregone conclusion, presentation is everything.  laughat 




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Post by HelenMeg on 09.06.14 15:17

Gerry was scared for a period of time following the 3rd May 2007 - no doubt that for some weeks they didnt know what was going to happen.  Then he became very smug when the PJ 's investigation was shelved.
No doubt that Labour government came to the conclusion that it was in the best interests for the case to be halted without conclusion. That can only because a thorough investigation would have highlighted something else. If that something else was exposed then I imagine the fall out would have been disastrous for Labour party.

Whoever that involved will now be pressurising Conservative Government to conclude this case retaining some secrecy of what was going on.  It has to be in the hands of DC as to how this concludes. He will do what he sees as right tinged with what is best for him.

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Post by stillsloppingout on 09.06.14 16:42

@HelenMeg wrote:Gerry was scared for a period of time following the 3rd May 2007 - no doubt that for some weeks they didnt know what was going to happen.  Then he became very smug when the PJ 's investigation was shelved.
No doubt that Labour government came to the conclusion that it was in the best interests for the case to be halted without conclusion. That can only because a thorough investigation would have highlighted something else. If that something else was exposed then I imagine the fall out would have been disastrous for Labour party.

Whoever that involved will now be pressurising Conservative Government to conclude this case retaining some secrecy of what was going on.  It has to be in the hands of DC as to how this concludes. He will do what he sees as right tinged with what is best for him.
IMO opinion Its not royalty or the PM of the day there visits are flagged an garner the attention of royal press snapper agency's etc ditto the PM . it will be a cabinet minister Of the day .

   Cameron will not break ranks, as the exclusive club are all in it together . if One of our boys goes down ,we will take X Y and Z down from your side , including stating the age of the boys the hostel involved and where they bought the equipment . 

 IMO swinging resort, a high profile politician , [ unlikely but possible underage stuff going on ,bit of bi  , probably coke ] middle class decadence . hushed up. hence the cover up .

 i have my idea whittled down to 4.

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Post by CynicAl on 09.06.14 16:49

@mouse wrote:cynicAL wrote: "By waking a sleeping dog in order to put it back to sleep you only serve to increase the risk that people who weren' t asking questions before will ask them in the future, and you'll only get one shot at putting tlhis one to bed..."

But they didn't need to wake any dog did they.....GA wouldn't go to sleep! He had the cheek to actually want to publish a book detailing the investigation, and all the details were already out there in the files on the net. The genie was already out of the bottle - so all they could do was attempt to block the voice (GA)  who wished to bring this information to the public worldwide via his books. 

Oh, but I believe the amaral's family pet dog was put to sleep wasn't it.....Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Who? What difference does a £10m farcical reopening of an investigation change in relation to Amaral? Amaral was marginalised, a ranting obsessive seeking revenge as far as the public are concerned. If Amaral was the threat, and this was a high level conspiracy, I assure you, GA would have killed himself in a fit of depression or had a heart attack. Cost aside, the risks opened up by this phase 2 resurrection of a cold case was not a calculated risk solving any known problem that any intelligent party could not foresee ending in disaster. 

If a conspiracy exists (other than the legal crusade run by the Gruesome Twosome) to silence GA, silence is exactly what they'd have. 

So many people keep repeatedly attributing the frustration and inertia of this case to a grand powerful conspiracy effecting a cover-up or whitewash, yet no one seems to be able to explain why those powers are insufficiently powerful to make their strategy work and stick. Evidently the people enacting this grand plan were procured from the factory outlet of HenchmenRUs. The plan blueprint must be a $59 special on megaevilcoverups.com.

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Post by mouse on 09.06.14 17:59

@CynicAl wrote:
@mouse wrote:cynicAL wrote: "By waking a sleeping dog in order to put it back to sleep you only serve to increase the risk that people who weren' t asking questions before will ask them in the future, and you'll only get one shot at putting tlhis one to bed..."

But they didn't need to wake any dog did they.....GA wouldn't go to sleep! He had the cheek to actually want to publish a book detailing the investigation, and all the details were already out there in the files on the net. The genie was already out of the bottle - so all they could do was attempt to block the voice (GA)  who wished to bring this information to the public worldwide via his books. 

Oh, but I believe the amaral's family pet dog was put to sleep wasn't it.....Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Who? What difference does a £10m farcical reopening of an investigation change in relation to Amaral? Amaral was marginalised, a ranting obsessive seeking revenge as far as the public are concerned. If Amaral was the threat, and this was a high level conspiracy, I assure you, GA would have killed himself in a fit of depression or had a heart attack. Cost aside, the risks opened up by this phase 2 resurrection of a cold case was not a calculated risk solving any known problem that any intelligent party could not foresee ending in disaster. 

If a conspiracy exists (other than the legal crusade run by the Gruesome Twosome) to silence GA, silence is exactly what they'd have. 

So many people keep repeatedly attributing the frustration and inertia of this case to a grand powerful conspiracy effecting a cover-up or whitewash, yet no one seems to be able to explain why those powers are insufficiently powerful to make their strategy work and stick. Evidently the people enacting this grand plan were procured from the factory outlet of HenchmenRUs. The plan blueprint must be a $59 special on megaevilcoverups.com.
You can assure me that GA would have killed himself if this was a high level conspiracy? And you would know that from meeting the man, or perhaps you have insider knowlege.....????? You did appear, as Aquila said before - to hint at insider knowledge of MI5???? And why would you speculate on statements made by Mr Amaral - who is one of the few respected voices that speaks with clarity on this subject. And one who has been there from the beginning. Not like Andy - who you appear to prefer and who has not made a clear statement since he began his investigation.  

You know what - I really can't work out what side of the fence you're sitting on, all you appear to do is speculate and read what you want into what ever is released. Usually rubbishing anything or anybody else's opinion if it doesn't fit with your supposed theory of what may be happening on the ground in Portugal now. Unfortunately your arguments have a repeated theme running through them of reading something else into every piece of info that we receive at the moment - twisting everything to fit your argument. We could all do this and speculate forever more - but it wouldn't get us any closer. I prefer to deal with facts....not hopeful speculation. I'm patient too.

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Post by HelenMeg on 09.06.14 18:09

@stillsloppingout wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:Gerry was scared for a period of time following the 3rd May 2007 - no doubt that for some weeks they didnt know what was going to happen.  Then he became very smug when the PJ 's investigation was shelved.
No doubt that Labour government came to the conclusion that it was in the best interests for the case to be halted without conclusion. That can only because a thorough investigation would have highlighted something else. If that something else was exposed then I imagine the fall out would have been disastrous for Labour party.

Whoever that involved will now be pressurising Conservative Government to conclude this case retaining some secrecy of what was going on.  It has to be in the hands of DC as to how this concludes. He will do what he sees as right tinged with what is best for him.
IMO opinion Its not royalty or the PM of the day there visits are flagged an garner the attention of royal press snapper agency's etc ditto the PM . it will be a cabinet minister Of the day .

   Cameron will not break ranks, as the exclusive club are all in it together . if One of our boys goes down ,we will take X Y and Z down from your side , including stating the age of the boys the hostel involved and where they bought the equipment . 

 IMO swinging resort, a high profile politician , [ unlikely but possible underage stuff going on ,bit of bi  , probably coke ] middle class decadence . hushed up. hence the cover up .

 i have my idea whittled down to 4.
Hi SSO
I think the same sort of thing but wonder why its so hard to find out exactly who that Minister was.  We have PE linked to MH - film / media so no reason why a high rank politician was not there too. Just surprised it hasn't leaked out. Yet I guess it is in all their interests not to reveal as they all need to cover each other. We should be able to work it out though .... do you have much to base your theories on?

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Post by cassius on 09.06.14 18:10

@cassius wrote:
@MissDaisy wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:Gordon Brown formed the Brown ministry after being invited by Queen Elizabeth II to begin a new government following the resignation of the previous Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Anthony Blair on 27 June 2007. He took office as Prime Minister, a title he would hold until his resignation on 11 May 2010. In his inaugural cabinet Brown appointed the United Kingdom first female Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith.

Prior to this - John Reid, Baron Reid of Cardowan (born 8 May 1947) was Home Secretary from 2006 to 2007 - under Blairs ministry. Blair handed over to Brown in June 2007.....

John Reid must have surely involved MI5 in May 2007 in the Mc Cann case unless political interference only begain after Brown took over with Jacqui as Home Sec. Its important to know.

When did the political interference begin on Mc Cann case?  After Brown took over on June 27th?  Or whilst still under Blair?  - I believe it was a little later... under Brown?
Coincidentally John Reid is a former Chairman of Celtic Football Club. Gerry McCann was a team doctor at Celtic.
John Reid was accused of being a sex pest by Labourista Dawn Plitheroe,seriously.
Sincere apologies to all posters for the innaccuracy of my previous post above.

John Reid was accused by then Treasury Minister Dawn PRIMAROLO of being a sex pest.

This was reported in The Daily Mail on 13th may 2007 and The Mirror on the 14th may 2007.

Maybe the M15 connection was simply Reid the then Home Sec.sending one of his boys over to help out a
sometime associate both having held senior positions at  CELTIC F.C.

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Post by HelenMeg on 09.06.14 18:19

Cabinet  Brown June 2007
Alistair Darling
David Miliband
Jack Straw
Andy Burnham
Geoff Hoon
Shaun Woodward
John Denham
John Hutton
James Purnell
Shaun Woodward
Douglas Alexander
Des Browne
Alan Johnson
Hilary Benn
Ed Balls
Peter Hain

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Post by Cristobell on 09.06.14 18:20

@HelenMeg wrote:Gerry was scared for a period of time following the 3rd May 2007 - no doubt that for some weeks they didnt know what was going to happen.  Then he became very smug when the PJ 's investigation was shelved.
No doubt that Labour government came to the conclusion that it was in the best interests for the case to be halted without conclusion. That can only because a thorough investigation would have highlighted something else. If that something else was exposed then I imagine the fall out would have been disastrous for Labour party.

Whoever that involved will now be pressurising Conservative Government to conclude this case retaining some secrecy of what was going on.  It has to be in the hands of DC as to how this concludes. He will do what he sees as right tinged with what is best for him.
Totally agree with your first paragraph - not so much with your second one.

Whoever was involved in 2007 has no power to pressure anyone now.  And given the ideology of the Conservative Party, Theresa May especially, they are not going to be bullied by anyone.  I agree with your final sentence, this case is a political timebomb, he will do what is best for him.  Why should he dirty his hands for the sake of the previous Labour Government?  Given the number of people who do not believe the McCanns, an innocent verdict for the parents will put the police and his government under suspicion by the public.  Not a good idea when a General Election is on the horizon.

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Post by mouse on 09.06.14 18:26

@cassius wrote:
@cassius wrote:
@MissDaisy wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:Gordon Brown formed the Brown ministry after being invited by Queen Elizabeth II to begin a new government following the resignation of the previous Prime Minister of the United Kingdom, Anthony Blair on 27 June 2007. He took office as Prime Minister, a title he would hold until his resignation on 11 May 2010. In his inaugural cabinet Brown appointed the United Kingdom first female Home Secretary, Jacqui Smith.

Prior to this - John Reid, Baron Reid of Cardowan (born 8 May 1947) was Home Secretary from 2006 to 2007 - under Blairs ministry. Blair handed over to Brown in June 2007.....

John Reid must have surely involved MI5 in May 2007 in the Mc Cann case unless political interference only begain after Brown took over with Jacqui as Home Sec. Its important to know.

When did the political interference begin on Mc Cann case?  After Brown took over on June 27th?  Or whilst still under Blair?  - I believe it was a little later... under Brown?
Coincidentally John Reid is a former Chairman of Celtic Football Club. Gerry McCann was a team doctor at Celtic.
John Reid was accused of being a sex pest by Labourista Dawn Plitheroe,seriously.
Sincere apologies to all posters for the innaccuracy of my previous post above.

John Reid was accused by then Treasury Minister Dawn PRIMAROLO of being a sex pest.

This was reported in The Daily Mail on 13th may 2007 and The Mirror on the 14th may 2007.

Maybe the M15 connection was simply Reid the then Home Sec.sending one of his boys over to help out a
sometime colleage ,both having held senior positions at  CELTIC F.C.
cassius - Dawn was an mp back then for one of the Bristol boroughs. I believe John Reid made a pass at her at an event. I also believe they were both single at the time, John Reid's 1st wife having died - I can't be certain of Dawn though. Can't also be sure, but it was years later that this incident was brought up again. About the time that Gordon Browne was yearning to be PM - it was thought he didn't want Mr Reid in his way (they didn't get on and John was close with Tony Blair and a real contender for PM). By this time Mr Reid had happily remarried.  However, I wouldn't call Mr Reid a sexpest - possibly just someone who made a pass and got a knock back. Pretty poor of her, I think, to let this be brought up again, for what would appear to help Mr Brown's unchallenged leadership bid.

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Post by comperedna on 09.06.14 18:32

My goodness it is not some cabinet minister making a pass at some MP!  That kind of thing goes on a lot of the time with some of the less choice ones, bad though that situation may be.  It must be something MUCH more scandalous. Stuff considered earlier up the thread may hold a clue.

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 09.06.14 18:33

@mouse wrote:
@CynicAl wrote:
@mouse wrote:cynicAL wrote: "By waking a sleeping dog in order to put it back to sleep you only serve to increase the risk that people who weren' t asking questions before will ask them in the future, and you'll only get one shot at putting tlhis one to bed..."

But they didn't need to wake any dog did they.....GA wouldn't go to sleep! He had the cheek to actually want to publish a book detailing the investigation, and all the details were already out there in the files on the net. The genie was already out of the bottle - so all they could do was attempt to block the voice (GA)  who wished to bring this information to the public worldwide via his books. 

Oh, but I believe the amaral's family pet dog was put to sleep wasn't it.....Please correct me if I'm wrong.
Who? What difference does a £10m farcical reopening of an investigation change in relation to Amaral? Amaral was marginalised, a ranting obsessive seeking revenge as far as the public are concerned. If Amaral was the threat, and this was a high level conspiracy, I assure you, GA would have killed himself in a fit of depression or had a heart attack. Cost aside, the risks opened up by this phase 2 resurrection of a cold case was not a calculated risk solving any known problem that any intelligent party could not foresee ending in disaster. 

If a conspiracy exists (other than the legal crusade run by the Gruesome Twosome) to silence GA, silence is exactly what they'd have. 

So many people keep repeatedly attributing the frustration and inertia of this case to a grand powerful conspiracy effecting a cover-up or whitewash, yet no one seems to be able to explain why those powers are insufficiently powerful to make their strategy work and stick. Evidently the people enacting this grand plan were procured from the factory outlet of HenchmenRUs. The plan blueprint must be a $59 special on megaevilcoverups.com.
You can assure me that GA would have killed himself if this was a high level conspiracy? And you would know that from meeting the man, or perhaps you have insider knowlege.....????? You did appear, as Aquila said before - to hint at insider knowledge of MI5???? And why would you speculate on statements made by Mr Amaral - who is one of the few respected voices that speaks with clarity on this subject. And one who has been there from the beginning. Not like Andy - who you appear to prefer and who has not made a clear statement since he began his investigation.  

You know what - I really can't work out what side of the fence you're sitting on, all you appear to do is speculate and read what you want into what ever is released. Usually rubbishing anything or anybody else's opinion if it doesn't fit with your supposed theory of what may be happening on the ground in Portugal now. Unfortunately your arguments have a repeated theme running through them of reading something else into every piece of info that we receive at the moment - twisting everything to fit your argument. We could all do this and speculate forever more - but it wouldn't get us any closer. I prefer to deal with facts....not hopeful speculation. I'm patient too.
Sounds suspiciously like BS ramblings. IMO  smilie

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Post by cassius on 09.06.14 18:37

@HelenMeg wrote:Cabinet  Brown June 2007
Alistair Darling
David Miliband
Jack Straw
Andy Burnham
Geoff Hoon
Shaun Woodward
John Denham
John Hutton
James Purnell
Shaun Woodward
Douglas Alexander
Des Browne
Alan Johnson
Hilary Benn
Ed Balls
Peter Hain

Cabinet Blair May 2007

Helen wasn,t Reid Home Sec in 2007 when he resigned not charles clarke?

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 09.06.14 18:38

Gonçalo Amaral: Yes, we will. When MI5 opens the case files, we will find out.
Don’t forget that the British secret services followed the case right from the beginning. On location.
 


Well Control Risks Group were on the ground soon after the disappearance and they consist of ex security service personel. So it wouldn't surprise me if the security service were doing their own thing without telling the PJ.

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id376.html

A private security firm has been secretly investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann for four months because her parents
feared that Portuguese police were failing properly to search for their daughter.

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Post by stillsloppingout on 09.06.14 18:39

@HelenMeg wrote:
@stillsloppingout wrote:
@HelenMeg wrote:Gerry was scared for a period of time following the 3rd May 2007 - no doubt that for some weeks they didnt know what was going to happen.  Then he became very smug when the PJ 's investigation was shelved.
No doubt that Labour government came to the conclusion that it was in the best interests for the case to be halted without conclusion. That can only because a thorough investigation would have highlighted something else. If that something else was exposed then I imagine the fall out would have been disastrous for Labour party.

Whoever that involved will now be pressurising Conservative Government to conclude this case retaining some secrecy of what was going on.  It has to be in the hands of DC as to how this concludes. He will do what he sees as right tinged with what is best for him.
IMO opinion Its not royalty or the PM of the day there visits are flagged an garner the attention of royal press snapper agency's etc ditto the PM . it will be a cabinet minister Of the day .

   Cameron will not break ranks, as the exclusive club are all in it together . if One of our boys goes down ,we will take X Y and Z down from your side , including stating the age of the boys the hostel involved and where they bought the equipment . 

 IMO swinging resort, a high profile politician , [ unlikely but possible underage stuff going on ,bit of bi  , probably coke ] middle class decadence . hushed up. hence the cover up .

 i have my idea whittled down to 4.
Hi SSO
I think the same sort of thing but wonder why its so hard to find out exactly who that Minister was.  We have PE linked to MH - film / media so no reason why a high rank politician was not there too. Just surprised it hasn't leaked out. Yet I guess it is in all their interests not to reveal as they all need to cover each other. We should be able to work it out though .... do you have much to base your theories on?
No just my opinion as to how these things usually work for the reasons i have stated .

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