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Post by Themis on 13.06.14 14:20

@PeterMac wrote:
@Justformaddie wrote:
Just thinking also, when AR said it might not follow all of our thinking (or similar words) tells me a few of OG think she did not leave the apartment alive. AR would surely know that cadaver takes time to develop, time that they didn't have IMO 

The mangled syntax of what he said was very telling - to me.  
He was desperately trying NOT to say what they, and everyone else in the world, know, and ended up with several pieces of several sentences jumbled together
Hobs will be able to deconstruct it.

He could have said - We still firmly believe that Madeleine is alive and well and living in a Hellish Lair / with a loving childless family / being treated like a Princess. . .
He could have said  - We still firmly believe that she was alive when she was taken out of the apartment, but, sadly, we do not know what has happened to her since then. . .
He could have said - We are still following the Working Hypothesis that X Y Z

He didn't
He very clearly said -  We believe she was not alive when she left the apartment.   But he managed to mangle it up so that the pro-Child-Neglectors can still feel happy.
The first version of the press conference reported that 'Andy Redwood had said the assumption that Madeleine had been alive when she left the apartment "may not follow with all our thinking" on the case.' This was later amended and clarified 'those quoted words actually came after Redwood had referred to the assumption that Madeleine had been abducted. However, Redwood did say during the same press conference that police were considering the possibility that Madeleine was not alive when taken from the apartment as well as the possibility that she was'. Therefore seems to be questioning was she alive AND was there an abduction.

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Post by ChippyM on 13.06.14 14:22

Bellisa wrote:ChippyM If I can offer you some advice its to not waste your time watching the rest of Amber! It was slated for its ending.

Thanks, I've got to episode 2 and it is a bit dull. i should have known it will probably be totally unrealistic in it's ending  big grin

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Post by Guest on 13.06.14 14:29

Yeah its a typical rte "cutting edge" production ;-) striking similarities though!
Sorry for OT

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Post by aiyoyo on 13.06.14 15:58

@Gaggzy wrote:

'.... and my friend, Andy wants a 14 inch Seafood Special with extra anchovies.'

No need to cover mouth to avoid lip reader for that surely ?

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Post by aiyoyo on 13.06.14 16:08

candyfloss wrote:
@Hongkong Phooey wrote:Well,  how much more convenient can you get? SY spend just over a week with a fantasy dig then come out with a statement which could not have been better fir the McCanns if they'd written it themselves. All this done at exactly the right time for the libel trial final statements etc. GM will stand up and say SY have confirmed there is no evidence that Maddie is dead, and he will be correct. What a farce!

But in that case then couldn't Mr Amaral or his lawyers say that SY must have believed she was dead  or they would not have been digging and using cadaver dogs.  

This excavation operation must have been planned months ahead, and given that tool, resources, and dogs were already there why not stick out until the deadline on Friday, instead of packing up on Wednesday when nothing relevant was found. Surely the two more days could be put to good use instead of wasting them only to have to return to do more of the same thing. Unless they've abandoned the idea of finding the body and not planning to return to this activity.

Or, unless they've found what they were looking for, or they've changed strategy. The early pack-up just does not tally with the no-find.

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Post by worriedmum on 13.06.14 16:14

aiyoyo ''
Or, unless they've found what they were looking for, or they've changed strategy. The early pack-up just does not tally with the no-find''


Yes it is puzzling isn't it. They could have used the two days to go over all the apartments with the sniffer dogs. Why didn't they?

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Post by Markus 2 on 13.06.14 16:35

Think this must have been posted before
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/kate-gerry-mccann-tell-portuguese-7260524
McCanns to tell Portuguese judge of their heartbreak over ex-police chief's smear campaign
A source close to the McCanns said: “Finally it looks like drawing to a close and they are hopeful they can win the case.
“They both want to see an end to it. The poisonous lies said against Kate and Gerry have cause them great distress and have hindered the search for Madeleine.
“It will be the final stage of the trial and there is not expected to be any cross examination.
That is worrying
 If the McCann's win this case I can't see them ever being  held in the future for her disappearance  and if they do does that mean an end to all views pointing to them as the suspects. ?  
Like Sally Bercow and Lord McAlpine


 worriedmum Yes it is puzzling isn't it. They could have used the two days to go over all the apartments with the sniffer dogs. Why didn't they?
 
Still say they got out before there was more smearing of the McCann's on walls etc but people here think that  idea is ludicrous  fool

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Post by bobbin on 13.06.14 16:38

@Markus 2 wrote:Think this must have been posted before
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/kate-gerry-mccann-tell-portuguese-7260524
McCanns to tell Portuguese judge of their heartbreak over ex-police chief's smear campaign
A source close to the McCanns said: “Finally it looks like drawing to a close and they are hopeful they can win the case.
“They both want to see an end to it. The poisonous lies said against Kate and Gerry have cause them great distress and have hindered the search for Madeleine.
“It will be the final stage of the trial and there is not expected to be any cross examination.
That is worrying
 If the McCann's win this case I can't see them ever being  held in the future for her disappearance  and if they do does that mean an end to all views pointing to them as the suspects. ?  
Like Sally Bercow and Lord McAlpine
True, but then Lord McAlpine upped it and died.....just like that......can't libel the dead.   spin 

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Post by Sceptic on 13.06.14 16:43

[quote="worriedmum"]aiyoyo ''
Or, unless they've found what they were looking for, or they've changed strategy. The early pack-up just does not tally with the no-find''


Yes it is puzzling isn't it. They could have used the two days to go over all the apartments with the sniffer dogs. Why didn't they?[/quote]
Following The Operation Grange statement after completion of the digging and dogging, part of which stated - The media's understanding and co-operation following Assistant Commissioner Rowley's pre deployment briefing has also been noted and

[color=000000][size=13]We all know and saw the medias results photos etc using zoom lenses drones etc - IMHO there was a lot done that was not reported / photographs printed - as some of the zoomed in photos werent exactly in line with Rowleys request and the statement above relates to what they didnt report or print photos[/size][/color]

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Post by ShuBob on 13.06.14 16:50

Have the McCanns ever specified the smears Amaral has engaged in?

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Post by PeterMac on 13.06.14 16:54

@worriedmum wrote:aiyoyo ''
Or, unless they've found what they were looking for, or they've changed strategy. The early pack-up just does not tally with the no-find''
Yes it is puzzling isn't it. They could have used the two days to go over all the apartments with the sniffer dogs. Why didn't they?
Because the search had been done and concluded satisfactorily in 2007.
The results are there on paper and on Video.
They are incontrovertible - (Unless you are a Pro-child-neglector, of course )
There was and is no doubt about what the dogs found.
You dont go round again just for the fun of it.

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Post by aiyoyo on 13.06.14 18:22

@ShuBob wrote:Have the McCanns ever specified the smears Amaral has engaged in?

What ?

Like Madeleine died in the holiday apt, and her parents were involved in the hiding of the cadaverine and simulation of the abduction? They're not that tired of living surely ?

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Post by aiyoyo on 13.06.14 18:29

@PeterMac wrote:
@worriedmum wrote:aiyoyo ''
Or, unless they've found what they were looking for, or they've changed strategy. The early pack-up just does not tally with the no-find''
Yes it is puzzling isn't it. They could have used the two days to go over all the apartments with the sniffer dogs. Why didn't they?
Because the search had been done and concluded satisfactorily in 2007.
The results are there on paper and on Video.
They are incontrovertible - (Unless you are a Pro-child-neglector, of course )
There was and is no doubt about what the dogs found.
You dont go round again just for the fun of it.

Yeah, but if nothing relevant was found, why did they not continue with the searches until the deadline is up. Why waste the opportunity after having invested heavily on the operation ?

I just don't get it what OG is up to with the searches ?
Either they were looking for body or they were not.
If they were why stop mid-way when nothing was found yet.
If they weren't what were they doing with the search ?

Perplexing on the whole, but nonetheless it is good to see them working well with the Portuguese and seemingly it is a JIT and their relationship seems cordial, and not as the evil couple spun it.

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Post by ChippyM on 13.06.14 18:42

@aiyoyo wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
@Hongkong Phooey wrote:Well,  how much more convenient can you get? SY spend just over a week with a fantasy dig then come out with a statement which could not have been better fir the McCanns if they'd written it themselves. All this done at exactly the right time for the libel trial final statements etc. GM will stand up and say SY have confirmed there is no evidence that Maddie is dead, and he will be correct. What a farce!

But in that case then couldn't Mr Amaral or his lawyers say that SY must have believed she was dead  or they would not have been digging and using cadaver dogs.  

This excavation operation must have been planned months ahead, and given that  tool, resources, and dogs were already there why not stick out until the deadline on Friday, instead of packing up on Wednesday when nothing relevant was found.  Surely the two more days could be put to good use instead of wasting them only to have to return to do more of the same thing.  Unless they've abandoned the idea of finding the body and not planning to return to this activity.

Or, unless they've found what they were looking for, or they've changed strategy.  The early pack-up just does not tally with the no-find.

  SY didn't say they would be there until Friday. Any mention of how long the dig 'should' have lasted has come from the media. Maybe they did what they came to do on those pieces of land.

'Many pieces of evidence' were found according to Martin Geissler at ITV and sent away for analysis.

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Post by ShuBob on 13.06.14 18:49

@aiyoyo wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:Have the McCanns ever specified the smears Amaral has engaged in?

What ?

Like Madeleine died in the holiday apt, and her parents were involved in the hiding of the cadaverine and simulation of the abduction?   They're not that tired of living surely ?

But this isn't a smear. It's what the team Amaral was a part of believed. How did their court case get this far is what I'm wondering today.

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Post by Justformaddie on 13.06.14 18:56

I just hope OG didn't run because of what was written about the mcs, I wonder did they give off about that. Surely they couldn't control that, then again , they also delayed the digs until maddies b/day was over!
OR OR, was. OG getting too close!

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Post by Dutchgirl on 13.06.14 19:23

With special thanks to Joana Morais
Dismal Spectacle
13 June 2014
Photo of wall with activist graffiti: "Parents killed Meddi(sic), English Police are stupid" | Photo MR (see below)
The investigation of the last two weeks, if it can be called an investigation, was surreal.
by Carlos Anjos, president of the Committee for the protection of crime victims, former president of PJ Union
If there were doubts about the PJ investigation, lo and behold, the English police conferred legitimacy to it.
The investigation that we have witnessed in the last two weeks, if it can be called investigation, was at best, surreal. While watching Andy Redwood, I've missed Gonçalo Amaral.
The English police had no idea what they were doing, in addition to spending money - in two years they have already spent over €8 million, the operating budget of the PJ in one year.
In two weeks, they told us that Maddie was abducted by an abuser who used to lay down in a bed with minors. And the girl woke up, was killed and buried.
Then there were three Portuguese, but could have been six, that were committing burglaries. Maddie woke up, was killed and buried.
Then, at the searches, they found two cannabis plants and look: Maddie was killed by drug traffickers who were robbing her house.
Objective fact: the English have no doubt that there was a robbery.
Problem: there was no break-in, the doors were locked and nothing was stolen.
So how did they get in? Another mystery.
And then they went, as they came, after that dismal spectacle.





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Post by aiyoyo on 13.06.14 20:04

@Justformaddie wrote:I just hope OG didn't run because of what was written about the mcs, I wonder did they give off about that. Surely they couldn't control that, then again , they also delayed the digs until maddies b/day was over!
OR OR, was. OG getting too close!

Of course they didn't run.  Why should OG run?  

In fact, words have it majority of the search team are still in Portugal, apart from the dogs and few officers.

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Post by Justformaddie on 13.06.14 20:16

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Justformaddie wrote:I just hope OG didn't run because of what was written about the mcs, I wonder did they give off about that. Surely they couldn't control that, then again , they also delayed the digs until maddies b/day was over!
OR OR, was. OG getting too close!

Of course they didn't run.  Why should OG run?  

In fact, words have it majority of the search team are still in Portugal, apart from the dogs and few officers.
Sorry, what I meant was could they have been told to leave it for awhile til things calm down? The last thing the mcs wanna see on TV is parents killed maddie, hindering the search and losing £1m IMO

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Post by aiyoyo on 13.06.14 20:25

@Justformaddie wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@Justformaddie wrote:I just hope OG didn't run because of what was written about the mcs, I wonder did they give off about that. Surely they couldn't control that, then again , they also delayed the digs until maddies b/day was over!
OR OR, was. OG getting too close!

Of course they didn't run.  Why should OG run?  

In fact, words have it majority of the search team are still in Portugal, apart from the dogs and few officers.
Sorry, what I meant was could they have been told to leave it for awhile til things calm down? The last thing the mcs wanna see on TV is parents killed maddie, hindering the search and losing £1m IMO

Don't be duff, dude  laughat who iyo would have told them to leave?

The criminal investigation has nothing to do with the libel case despite people mistaken belief.
The libel case is based on a different set of evidence. That is, Amaral's book against McCanns right to live a peaceful life.


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Post by Justformaddie on 13.06.14 20:45

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Justformaddie wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
@Justformaddie wrote:I just hope OG didn't run because of what was written about the mcs, I wonder did they give off about that. Surely they couldn't control that, then again , they also delayed the digs until maddies b/day was over!
OR OR, was. OG getting too close!

Of course they didn't run.  Why should OG run?  

In fact, words have it majority of the search team are still in Portugal, apart from the dogs and few officers.
Sorry, what I meant was could they have been told to leave it for awhile til things calm down? The last thing the mcs wanna see on TV is parents killed maddie, hindering the search and losing £1m IMO

Don't be duff, dude  laughat who iyo would have told them to leave?

The criminal investigation has nothing to do with the libel case despite people mistaken belief.
The libel case is based on a different set of evidence.  That is, Amaral's book against McCanns right to live a peaceful life.

Agreed, although, if they did complain, I think they would've, although I didn't know about some of. OG is still there, they might not be as protected as some people think. IMO  titter

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Post by NickE on 13.06.14 20:49

BIG red flag ‏[ltr]@bigredflagge[/ltr]  5 tim

Reports from PT suggesting only 3 Op Grange personnel returned home to UK. #McCann

BIG red flag ‏
[ltr]@bigredflagge[/ltr]
  23 min

@1matthewwright1 So lunchtime Portugese telly suggested, along with cremation speculation... 

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Post by End on 13.06.14 20:56

@NickE wrote:BIG red flag ‏

[ltr]@bigredflagge[/ltr]

  5 tim

Reports from PT suggesting only 3 Op Grange personnel returned home to UK. #McCann

BIG red flag ‏


[ltr]@bigredflagge[/ltr]


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@1matthewwright1 So lunchtime Portugese telly suggested, along with cremation speculation... 


Now is SY's chance to pop in to take a sample of the ashes on the Mantle when the couple are away for the trial  big grin

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Post by Justformaddie on 13.06.14 21:25

I wonder what the rest of the met are doing if they are there?

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