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Why I believe Smithman is real and likely to be Gerry by Pat Brown

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 18.08.14 17:46

@aiyoyo wrote:
@tiny wrote:
cant disagree with you there really and I do see where you are coming from,so when do you think they will wrap this case up then.

Gone on long enough now.
Indefinite finance of this operation can't go on forever if nothing tangible is found after x number or years then surely it must come time to cut off.
Before this year is out I expect to hear Redwood's closing report, indictment or no indictment.

If it stretches beyond this year I'm inclined to think it is not a normal operation; that the investigation may be on a bigger scope than we know, meaning more than the mcs were under investigation, and I am not talking just the holiday friends.

It's normal to wrap up operation if it is going to lead nowhere.
By 3 years if they can't find cast iron evidence to take to court, it is never going to happen.  
Unless they are investigating additional stuff (the peripheral characters involved in the pi operation and board trustees for example) incriminating stuff that emerged during process of the main line of investigation that compels further in depth scrutiny to complete the investigation.

Just my opinion as usual.

There is a on-going case in the UK that has some similar elements to this investigation aiyoyo, the Claudia Lawrence case.

Very mysterious
Been going >5 years
Original investigation was "reviewed" and then restarted after being "bundled"
Arrests have been made with a lot of media fanfare and then all goes quiet

Etc...

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Re: Why I believe Smithman is real and likely to be Gerry by Pat Brown

Post by tiny on 18.08.14 17:47

@aiyoyo wrote:
@tiny wrote:
cant disagree with you there really and I do see where you are coming from,so when do you think they will wrap this case up then.

Gone on long enough now.
Indefinite finance of this operation can't go on forever if nothing tangible is found after x number or years then surely it must come time to cut off.
Before this year is out I expect to hear Redwood's closing report, indictment or no indictment.

If it stretches beyond this year I'm inclined to think it is not a normal operation; that the investigation may be on a bigger scope than we know, meaning more than the mcs were under investigation, and I am not talking just the holiday friends.

It's normal to wrap up operation if it is going to lead nowhere.
By 3 years if they can't find cast iron evidence to take to court, it is never going to happen.  
Unless they are investigating additional stuff (the peripheral characters involved in the pi operation and board trustees for example) incriminating stuff that emerged during process of the main line of investigation that compels further in depth scrutiny to complete the investigation.

Just my opinion as usual.
Thanks for your  aiyoyo, that bit in red is what I am hoping for.

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Post by Naz_Nomad on 18.08.14 20:03

@Poppyfox wrote:The dogs don't lie!! Really cute puppies! smilie

Dogs DO lie...flat out on a blanket.

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 18.08.14 20:14

@Poppyfox wrote:The dogs don't lie!! Really cute puppies! smilie

They are, aren't they!. Sorry mods for the off-topic post but would like to lift the depressive state of this case with the even cuter animated GIF version of my avatar.



No doubt dreaming of solving this case lol4

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Re: Why I believe Smithman is real and likely to be Gerry by Pat Brown

Post by XTC on 31.08.14 0:10

I'm not sure where to put this so if the mods want to move it feel free.


Wandering about this website as you do I cam across something which was interesting re: The Smith Family.


It was by angerryfan?

The article was the Estrela de Luz apartment block and it's CCTV.

Apparently the CCTV tape was over recorded when the PJ got to it.

I don't know on what day or what time the tape was looked at.

Also does anyone know how long these tapes last until they are overtaped?

My point is that if the PJ had been told early enough about the Smith family sighting could they
have got to the Estrela de Luz apartments quicker and retrieved the tape.

The reason being that if the man and child walked down towards Rua de Escola? ( terrible with street names ) and the
Smith family had have walked up towards their apartment then both the carrier and themselves would have been on film.

Even if the carrier hadn't have been identified it would have given a more accurate time to the sighting.

It's a shame the opportunity was missed.

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Re: Why I believe Smithman is real and likely to be Gerry by Pat Brown

Post by Tony Bennett on 31.08.14 0:34

@XTC wrote:I'm not sure where to put this so if the mods want to move it feel free.

Wandering about this website as you do I cam across something which was interesting re: The Smith Family.

The article was [about] the Estrela de Luz apartment block and its CCTV.

Apparently the CCTV tape was over recorded when the PJ got to it.

I don't know on what day or what time the tape was looked at.

Also does anyone know how long these tapes last until they are overtaped?

My point is that if the PJ had been told early enough about the Smith family sighting could they have got to the Estrela de Luz apartments quicker and retrieved the tape.

The reason being that if the man and child walked down towards Rua de Escola? ( terrible with street names ) and the Smith family had have walked up towards their apartment then both the carrier and themselves would have been on film.

Even if the carrier hadn't have been identified it would have given a more accurate time to the sighting. It's a shame the opportunity was missed.
But there is another significant point here which you may have inadvertently missed, XTC.

We know that some years before 2007, Martin Smith had bought an apartment in the Estrela da Luz complex - and went there several times a year. We know he had met Murat 'several times' in Praia da Luz over a period of two years.

Now IF Martin Smith and his train of eight family members had indeed gone to Kelly's Bar as claimed between about 9.30pm and 9.55pm, and they had indeed seen a man carrying a child at about 10.00pm, then of course the Estrela da Luz complex CCTV would have captured them all returning there at about, say, 10.05pm.

As you say, it's a shame we don't have the CCTV, which could have settled the matter of what time the Smiths actually returned that night to the complex.

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Post by fred c dobbs on 31.08.14 1:41

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@XTC wrote:I'm not sure where to put this so if the mods want to move it feel free.

Wandering about this website as you do I cam across something which was interesting re: The Smith Family.

The article was [about] the Estrela de Luz apartment block and its CCTV.

Apparently the CCTV tape was over recorded when the PJ got to it.

I don't know on what day or what time the tape was looked at.

Also does anyone know how long these tapes last until they are overtaped?

My point is that if the PJ had been told early enough about the Smith family sighting could they have got to the Estrela de Luz apartments quicker and retrieved the tape.

The reason being that if the man and child walked down towards Rua de Escola? ( terrible with street names ) and the Smith family had have walked up towards their apartment then both the carrier and themselves would have been on film.

Even if the carrier hadn't have been identified it would have given a more accurate time to the sighting. It's a shame the opportunity was missed.
But there is another significant point here which you may have inadvertently missed, XTC.

We know that some years before 2007, Martin Smith had bought an apartment in the Estrela da Luz complex - and went there several times a year. We know he had met Murat 'several times' in Praia da Luz over a period of two years.

Now IF Martin Smith and his train of eight family members had indeed gone to Kelly's Bar as claimed between about 9.30pm and 9.55pm, and they had indeed seen a man carrying a child at about 10.00pm, then of course the Estrela da Luz complex CCTV would have captured them all returning there at about, say, 10.05pm.

As you say, it's a shame we don't have the CCTV, which could have settled the matter of what time the Smiths actually returned that night to the complex.
What significant point has he inadvertently missed?.Mr.Smith said he knew Murat in a small place like PDL highly probable ,Murat had a house there the Smiths had an apartment there .What do you mean IF the Smith family had indeed gone to Kelly,s Bar as claimed? Why do you doubt their version of where and what they saw that night?The Father his son and his daughter reported seeing this man .Give 1 good reason why you disbelieve them

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Post by Dido on 31.08.14 2:26

Do you know TONY I have had enough of your Smith accusations I know this family they have so much integrity. Please be quiet. !!  Oh and I now expect to be banned mega soon. HA       Oh and please give the blue font a rest my dear is  is rather patronising ..but suppose it makes you feel important. My profession is way above yours but I would never dream of disclosing

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Post by jowie on 31.08.14 8:14

@fred c dobbs wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@XTC wrote:I'm not sure where to put this so if the mods want to move it feel free.

Wandering about this website as you do I cam across something which was interesting re: The Smith Family.

The article was [about] the Estrela de Luz apartment block and its CCTV.

Apparently the CCTV tape was over recorded when the PJ got to it.

I don't know on what day or what time the tape was looked at.

Also does anyone know how long these tapes last until they are overtaped?

My point is that if the PJ had been told early enough about the Smith family sighting could they have got to the Estrela de Luz apartments quicker and retrieved the tape.

The reason being that if the man and child walked down towards Rua de Escola? ( terrible with street names ) and the Smith family had have walked up towards their apartment then both the carrier and themselves would have been on film.

Even if the carrier hadn't have been identified it would have given a more accurate time to the sighting. It's a shame the opportunity was missed.
But there is another significant point here which you may have inadvertently missed, XTC.

We know that some years before 2007, Martin Smith had bought an apartment in the Estrela da Luz complex - and went there several times a year. We know he had met Murat 'several times' in Praia da Luz over a period of two years.

Now IF Martin Smith and his train of eight family members had indeed gone to Kelly's Bar as claimed between about 9.30pm and 9.55pm, and they had indeed seen a man carrying a child at about 10.00pm, then of course the Estrela da Luz complex CCTV would have captured them all returning there at about, say, 10.05pm.

As you say, it's a shame we don't have the CCTV, which could have settled the matter of what time the Smiths actually returned that night to the complex.
What significant point has he inadvertently missed?.Mr.Smith said he knew Murat in a small place like PDL highly probable ,Murat had a house there the Smiths had an apartment there .What do you mean IF the Smith family had indeed gone to Kelly,s Bar as claimed? Why do you doubt their version of where and what they saw that night?The Father his son and his daughter reported seeing this man .Give 1 good reason why you disbelieve them
Bumping this page whilst we await Tony's response

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Post by Woofer on 31.08.14 8:59

@Dido wrote:Do you know TONY I have had enough of your Smith accusations I know this family they have so much integrity. Please be quiet. !!  Oh and I now expect to be banned mega soon. HA       Oh and please give the blue font a rest my dear is  is rather patronising ..but suppose it makes you feel important. My profession is way above yours but I would never dream of disclosing
I doubt whether you will be banned just for disagreeing Dido.

As far as the blue font is concerned - it`s ideal IMO - how else can we distinguish between questions and answers?  It makes for much easier reading when an alternative colour is used.  Or is it you just don`t like blue - perhaps you would prefer red.

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Post by palm tree on 31.08.14 11:54

In all the past seven years, and all the amount of people directly or indirectly involved in this case, Mr Amaral, Mr Smith and Mrs Fenn are, IMO, the only witnesses that I think are genuine. It was Mr Amarals job, Mr Smith and Mrs Fenn reported what they knew and only to assist in finding Madeleine.
IMO only.

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Post by XTC on 31.08.14 15:09

@palm tree wrote:In all the past seven years, and all the amount of people directly or indirectly involved in this case, Mr Amaral, Mr Smith and Mrs Fenn are, IMO, the only witnesses that I think are genuine. It was Mr Amarals job, Mr Smith and Mrs Fenn reported what they knew and only to assist in finding Madeleine.
IMO only.
It was not my intention to have a go at the veracity of the Smith family as I think that to get 9 people to sing from the same hymnsheet is
a difficult task. Not impossible but difficult.

I think they saw someone that night but none saw his face ( if it was a he?).

From Mr Amarals words he believes what they said was true. So much so that he wanted to bring them back to Portugal. That's good
enough for me.

For all we are used to CCTV in the UK it is a shame that more of it wasn't captured on the night in question or maybe the days before.

It is ( if it's a clear picture?) an objective way of gaining evidence. That's why in certain circumstances it very useful.

Just as an aside I've read that the Tapas Bar entrance didn't have CCTV. In order to stop any old drunk breezing in from off the
streets ( let's call them Mark Warner non paying undesirables) would you not have to have a pass key or card to get through the door?

If so would these cards register times entered and times left as well as who's cards were used? Or when you get one you sign for it?

Failing that as I say anyone could use the facilities and I'm certain that the payers would not have liked that.

Just a question though.

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Post by tigger on 31.08.14 15:20

Afaik there was no CCTV on that particular route where the Smith's saw the man. Textusa has done a long piece on it.

The CCTV at the apartment block would have shown the Smith family returning to the apartment which Smith co-owned with (according to his statement on 26/5/07 L........O.......).

According to Textusa the only CCTV on a direct route from 5a to the beach was near the church.

Which wasn't the route taken by Smithman.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 31.08.14 15:53

@XTC wrote:
...I think that to get 9 people to sing from the same hymnsheet is a difficult task. Not impossible but difficult.

REPLY: But only THREE of them made statements. According to their own statements, none of the Smiths did ANYTHING until the day after Robrt Murat, whom Martin Smith had met 'several times', had been made a suspect.

And then it was only, allegedly, because Peter Smith 'phoned his Dad and said, 'Was I dreaming or something, but did we see a man carrying a child in Praia da Luz the night Madeleine was taken?'  Only Martin Smith, his son Peter and his daughter Aoife made formal statements to the Portuguese Police.

Mrs Mary Smith apparently spoke to the Irish Gardai but declined to confirm her evidence in person to the Portuguese Police. None of the other members of the family group made formal statements.

From Mr Amarals words he believes what they said was true. So much so that he wanted to bring them back to Portugal. That's good
enough for me.

REPLY: With all due respect to both you and Dr Amaral, to accept everything someone says as gospel is an unwise method of analysing any situation. In this particular respect (i.e. the value of the Smiths' evidence, Amaral was exercising his judgment. If we say: "I trust X whatever he says", we are at risk of falling into error.

Amaral way well have got 98% of things right, as I think he has, but he may also have got a couple of things wrong. You may have noticed that on another thread in the past few days Amaral's acceptance of the evidence of the nanny about the alleged high tea at 5.30om on 3 May has also been questioned.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 31.08.14 17:24

@Dido wrote:Do you know TONY I have had enough of your Smith accusations

REPLY: You're not the only one. But I maintain my doubts because IMO there are good reasons for them, reasons which do not often get a reasoned reply from others

I know this family they have so much integrity.

REPLY: That is very interesting to know and potentially very helpful. I wonder therefore, with your knowledge of the family, whether you could help us all please with answers to all or some of the following questions:

1. Why did the Smiths wait 13 days before reporting their sighting to anyone?

2. Can you confirm that the first time they remembered their sightings was when Peter Smith 'phoned his Dad and said: "Am I dreaming, or did we see a man carrying a child in Praia da Luz the evening Madeleine went missing?"

3. Martin Smith says he 'recognised' the man he says he saw in the night-time gloom of Praia da Luz 'by the way he was carrying his son' (i.e. on his left shoulder). Is that all? Given that most adults carry their children that way, what really made him so sure (well, 60% to 80%) that he'd seen Gerry McCann on that dimly-lit street over 4 months previously?

4. On what dates did Martin Smith or other members of his family meet or talk to (a) Brian Kennedy (b) Henri Exton (c) DCI Andy Redwood in 2012 and (d) DCI Andy Redwood in 2013?

5. What was said and agreed on each of those occasions?

6. Given that on the BBC CrimeWatch Show in October last year, DCI Andy Redwood produced two efits of entirely different men: A. Middle-aged man with receding hair combed back with fat rectangular face and - B. Much younger man with thin triangular-shaped face, which members of his family were responsible for each of those two very different e-fits?

7. OR - to put the question another way, does he or does he not accept that these two e-fits (shown by DCI Andy Redwood) were produced by him and/or other members of his family?
    

I expect to be banned...

REPLY: As far as I'm aware, you have not been. As is plain from the 'Smithman' debates, there is robust debate on the subject and no posters so far as I am aware have been banned merely for their views, one way or another, on the validity or otherwise of the Smith sightings

Oh and please give the blue font a rest my dear is  is rather patronising ..but suppose it makes you feel important.

REPLY: No, it is done for clarity, and quite a few members here appreciate that.
My profession is way above yours but I would never dream of disclosing

REPLY: Good for you. You have done well, then, considering that in your first post here you wrote:  "I will apologise in advance, I am dyslexic so if at times my grammar and spelling are a bit off you will know why".

You were quite interested in my status here, weren't you, with three recent posts asking: 
"How do you get special access??? I saw to then vanished . Exactly HkP surely only mods and admin can access this area ! Have I missed something here .....is TB a Mod ? I know ....I didn't either would like to know one way or the other. If he is not then is there an elite section only accessible to a chosen few posters".
 





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Post by Gaggzy on 31.08.14 20:58

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Dido wrote:Do you know TONY I have had enough of your Smith accusations

REPLY: You're not the only one. But I maintain my doubts because IMO there are good reasons for them, reasons which do not often get a reasoned reply from others

I know this family they have so much integrity.

REPLY: That is very interesting to know and potentially very helpful. I wonder therefore, with your knowledge of the family, whether you could help us all please with answers to all or some of the following questions:

1. Why did the Smiths wait 13 days before reporting their sighting to anyone?

2. Can you confirm that the first time they remembered their sightings was when Peter Smith 'phoned his Dad and said: "Am I dreaming, or did we see a man carrying a child in Praia da Luz the evening Madeleine went missing?"

3. Martin Smith says he 'recognised' the man he says he saw in the night-time gloom of Praia da Luz 'by the way he was carrying his son' (i.e. on his left shoulder). Is that all? Given that most adults carry their children that way, what really made him so sure (well, 60% to 80%) that he'd seen Gerry McCann on that dimly-lit street over 4 months previously?

4. On what dates did Martin Smith or other members of his family meet or talk to (a) Brian Kennedy (b) Henri Exton (c) DCI Andy Redwood in 2012 and (d) DCI Andy Redwood in 2013?

5. What was said and agreed on each of those occasions?

6. Given that on the BBC CrimeWatch Show in October last year, DCI Andy Redwood produced two efits of entirely different men: A. Middle-aged man with receding hair combed back with fat rectangular face and - B. Much younger man with thin triangular-shaped face, which members of his family were responsible for each of those two very different e-fits?

7. OR - to put the question another way, does he or does he not accept that these two e-fits (shown by DCI Andy Redwood) were produced by him and/or other members of his family?
    

I expect to be banned...

REPLY: As far as I'm aware, you have not been. As is plain from the 'Smithman' debates, there is robust debate on the subject and no posters so far as I am aware have been banned merely for their views, one way or another, on the validity or otherwise of the Smith sightings

Oh and please give the blue font a rest my dear is  is rather patronising ..but suppose it makes you feel important.

REPLY: No, it is done for clarity, and quite a few members here appreciate that.
My profession is way above yours but I would never dream of disclosing

REPLY: Good for you. You have done well, then, considering that in your first post here you wrote:  "I will apologise in advance, I am dyslexic so if at times my grammar and spelling are a bit off you will know why".

You were quite interested in my status here, weren't you, with three recent posts asking: 
"How do you get special access??? I saw to then vanished . Exactly HkP surely only mods and admin can access this area ! Have I missed something here .....is TB a Mod ? I know ....I didn't either would like to know one way or the other. If he is not then is there an elite section only accessible to a chosen few posters".
 





I would think that the likely reason the Smith family have not answered the kind of questions you pose to them here, is they are bound (like the Tapas mob) by the Super injunction (inaudible) placed upon all and sundry who are privy to the goings-on in Praia da Luz in May 2007.

Just a personal opinion of mine.

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Post by XTC on 31.08.14 22:59

@tigger wrote:Afaik there was no CCTV on that particular route where the Smith's saw the man. Textusa has done a long piece on it.

The CCTV at the apartment block would have shown the Smith family returning to the apartment which Smith co-owned with (according to his statement on 26/5/07  L........O.......).

According to Textusa the only CCTV on a direct route from 5a to the beach was near the church.

Which wasn't the route taken by Smithman.
In any large  Corporation I would think that they would certainly have a number of certain rules such as Health and Safety ( it saves them from being sued if something goes wrong ) and that knowing who was where in the creche or any part of the Complex could be known.

I used to work for a big National company and every day we had to stick a card in a turnstile and that recorded our details and times in and times out etc.

This was just in case there was a fire or the building had to be evacuated. Made sense.

Yet it appears that all and sundry could drift in and out of the Tapas bar and have the use of the pool without being seen or perhaps to borrow a set of keys from behind the desk from customers who left them there for safekeeping? Fire and Security like the Missing Child alert must have been in operation at the Tapas bar as it was at the creche?

The question for myself is how did the diners/guests at the Tapas Bar get in and how did they get out if certain procedures were in place and
whilst a bit lax as they usually are in big Corporations how do you separate the paying holidaymakers from the ordinary plebs?

Tony:

I don't have infinite belief in Mr Amaral's infallabilty. He is human like all of us and makes mistakes like all of us.

You make good points about the timing of the remembering of his son.

I have read various articles that Mr Smith reported the person and child to the PJ three days later but they ( the PJ ) were not interested as they were at the time more interested in JT's 9.15 sighting.

Being as JT was not thought of as a credible witness by the original PJ team then it was not surprising that Mr Amaral would turn his attention to the Smith family sighting. I agree that if thirteen days had passed before the PJ found out about that sighting then trying to attain evidence via CCTV from the Estrela Apartment block or anywhere else perhaps  would be ( and proved to be ) fruitless.

My reply does tie in with the above though which is that the Estrela Apartment block was an Anglo/Irish project with all its exportation of all
things British and Irish to do with crime and its prevention. CCTV comes as standard now in the UK and Mark Warner appears not to have utilised this concept as a company despite dealing with fairly well off tourists and those dodgy characters they may fall prey to. The forewarning referred to by some of the Tapas group by MW lends a bit more credence for the need of this CCTV facility I think In fact given the circumstances I wonder if they have CCTV now around the complex?

The creche cook has stated on Portuguese TV that she served the meals that night at the Tapas bar and was a few yards away from the table where the Tapas group dined. She also said that she had seen Madeleine throughout the week and that the creche children had their ' High tea ' at 4.30pm whilst it is believed by the PJ that the creche children ate at 5.30pm. With Madleiene's parents and the twins and possibly the nannies. Whether this lady was interviewed by the PJ I don't know. Perhaps SY will interview her but I wouldn't put money on it.

 Anyway unlike a few other posters on here I am not of the view that questioning every thing and everybody's statements is a bad thing at all. We are all theorising because at the moment no one knows THE truth. What is annoying on the otherhand are the people in the media ( see the upcoming book ) who claim to KNOW it. They then take great offence when people doubt it. Cheeky that. Maybe at that point you need to bring in the intellectual heavyweights to ram home the point by force of intellect not fact.

Just saying - I know because I was there doesn't cut much ice with me neither. That's the classic Max Boyce defence. After telling a tall tale to the audience when they started to doubt its credibilty he used to say:

" I know because I was there!"

I wasn't so I don't know but there's no harm in trying to find out.

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Post by Evening_All on 03.09.14 9:43

A bit confused here, I thought Tannerman had come forward and was a British tourist collecting his child from the creche. Wasn't this DCI Redman's moment of realisation.?

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Post by palm tree on 03.09.14 11:15

@Evening_All wrote:A bit confused here, I thought Tannerman had come forward and was a British tourist collecting his child from the creche. Wasn't this DCI Redman's moment of realisation.?
He did, but because he waited over six years to do so is puzzling. IMO, OG needed to add more time for the disappearing act to be believed, although they've not created enough time if you include the 9:30 check. Then there's Eddie and Keela too.
IMO

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Post by aquila on 03.09.14 11:17

@Evening_All wrote:A bit confused here, I thought Tannerman had come forward and was a British tourist collecting his child from the creche. Wasn't this DCI Redman's moment of realisation.?
I'm a bit confused here too, I've never heard of DCI Redman.

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Post by plebgate on 03.09.14 11:22

DSI Sandra Pullman in New Tricks was played by the actress Amanda Redman.

Get Sandra on this case, solved in a jiffy and she always started at the beginning, no onions for Sandra my dears.

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Post by joyce1938 on 03.09.14 13:27

Its not so strange that the man who was classed as tannerman didn't come forward at the time. Once he got home would give little thought of it all . as wefollow all this ,we have a better idea but it took us all time to get here . joyce1938

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Post by worriedmum on 03.09.14 13:35

@joyce1938 wrote:Its not so strange that the man who was classed as tannerman didn't come forward at the time. Once he got home would give little thought of it all . as wefollow all this ,we have a better idea but it took us all time to get here . joyce1938
And he kept those pyjamas!

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Post by joyce1938 on 03.09.14 13:54

Yea i agree the pyjamas were supposed to be same as maddies ,ofcourse they were not same at all ,looked more like the material in  jackets almost fluffy . Cant imagine why that mock up was used at all , so poor.i wonder now what the idea was?  I had 3 kids andin family  often the jammies would pass onto smaller kid. This mock up of person ,seems rather odd. don't blame him ,blame the people that have made a mockery . joyce1938

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Re: Why I believe Smithman is real and likely to be Gerry by Pat Brown

Post by Gaggzy on 03.09.14 13:59

@worriedmum wrote:
@joyce1938 wrote:Its not so strange that the man who was classed as tannerman didn't come forward at the time. Once he got home would give little thought of it all . as wefollow all this ,we have a better idea but it took us all time to get here . joyce1938
And he kept those pyjamas!

.... and the exact clobber he was wearing that night, according to Redwood.

Come on! Pull the other one, it's got bells on!

I say, 'Just as if ...'

Now I'm someone who makes my clothes last. I've got shirts in my wardrobe which are two years old, jackets maybe three years old, but expecting us to believe this bloke still had all the same clothes SIX years later!

Maybe he was a bit of a pauper and can't afford clothes? Hardly, because he could afford a family holiday in Portugal. And to still have a young girls' Pyjamas six years on.

Yes, Mr Redwood, we were all born yesterday!

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