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Post by ChippyM on 06.06.14 20:09

@Shhh wrote:Re the drug traffickers & subsequent discussion back a few pages.  I've always wondered about drugs.  Coke seems to be a popular drug of choice, especially by the medical profession.

How do you get drugs out of your system quicker?  You get sweaty.  Does this explain their jogging around PDL?

All my opinion etc

I would have thought doctors would have access to all kinds of 'pure' substances and wouldn't bother getting their hands dirty with so called 'street drugs'.  I can't see people jogging as a way to sweat out drugs either (at least not the junkies round where I live!) , someone with access to sedatives would just pop a pill and lie down.  big grin

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Post by NickE on 06.06.14 20:16

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The remains of the child are incinerated in Ferreira do Alentejo and former Inspector knows all the details #mccann



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Post by Sonmi-451 on 06.06.14 20:18

@ChippyM wrote:
@Shhh wrote:Re the drug traffickers & subsequent discussion back a few pages.  I've always wondered about drugs.  Coke seems to be a popular drug of choice, especially by the medical profession.

How do you get drugs out of your system quicker?  You get sweaty.  Does this explain their jogging around PDL?

All my opinion etc

I would have thought doctors would have access to all kinds of 'pure' substances and wouldn't bother getting their hands dirty with so called 'street drugs'.  I can't see people jogging as a way to sweat out drugs either (at least not the junkies round where I live!) , someone with access to sedatives would just pop a pill and lie down.  big grin

... I wonder how anyone would divvy up certain substances, be it sedatives or cocaine? If it was me I'd probably chop it with a credit card like they do in the movies  dance  .. but then, if a day or so later I had the Police all over the place I'd want to make sure all potential traces had gone and that would mean I'd have to 'lose' my cards... oh, but then I'd have to get replacements by reporting them stolen! I'm not suggesting anything like this may have happened, just thinking what I'd do.

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Post by petunia on 06.06.14 20:32

"British police MAY be on the verge of dropping the theory that Maddie was murdered & buried near the OC." http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?depth=1&hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&tl=en&u=http://sicnoticias.sapo.pt/pais/2014-06-06-primeira-fase-de-buscas-por-maddie-termina-domingo%3Bjsessionid%3D5A56F73ADE7B69514E467D85F5CCD6FA&usg=ALkJrhjPhzd3wIB6Jbi6WNy47FFx-SJTgw 
#McCann
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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 06.06.14 20:34

Who is that from Petunia?

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Post by petunia on 06.06.14 20:42

Thank you NickE my links never work.

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Post by End on 06.06.14 20:47

@Sonmi-451 wrote:
@ChippyM wrote:
@Shhh wrote:Re the drug traffickers & subsequent discussion back a few pages.  I've always wondered about drugs.  Coke seems to be a popular drug of choice, especially by the medical profession.

How do you get drugs out of your system quicker?  You get sweaty.  Does this explain their jogging around PDL?

All my opinion etc

I would have thought doctors would have access to all kinds of 'pure' substances and wouldn't bother getting their hands dirty with so called 'street drugs'.  I can't see people jogging as a way to sweat out drugs either (at least not the junkies round where I live!) , someone with access to sedatives would just pop a pill and lie down.  big grin

... I wonder how anyone would divvy up certain substances, be it sedatives or cocaine? If it was me I'd probably chop it with a credit card like they do in the movies  dance  .. but then, if a day or so later I had the Police all over the place I'd want to make sure all potential traces had gone and that would mean I'd have to 'lose' my cards... oh, but then I'd have to get replacements by reporting them stolen! I'm not suggesting anything like this may have happened, just thinking what I'd do.
If you were receiving a few quid for supplying it you might need to also!

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Post by maebee on 06.06.14 21:08

http://www.sundayworld.com/top-stories/crime-desk/donal-macintyre-s-crime-cafe/maddie-search-expanded-as-effort-branded-pr-exercise-to-distract-from-corruption-troubles



The search for Maddie McCann is to be expanded into a second week as UK Police have been given a second week to search a large area of scrubland and two other sites, as the effort is branded a PR exercise.
The search, which was criticised yesterday for lacking a focus and direction has now been expanded to include another two sites close to the location where Maddie disappeared in 2007.
The search, part of a €10m investigation launched in 2011 by the Metropolitan Police Force at the instigation of the British Prime Minister has yielded no significant evidence that could lead to an arrest or charges or done anything to help reveal exactly what happened to Maddie seven years ago when she mysteriously disappeared without trace from apartment 5a in Praia da Luz.
The investigation was started as the Metropolitan Police Force faced a growing wave of public discontent over corruption allegations and cover-ups, and face even more damaging revelations in the months to come, over the continuing fall out from the Stephen Lawrence murder inquiry.
Sources in the Met have told the Sunday World that the investigation is a desperate attempt to reclaim the reputation of the force with a trophy case and a result which, the force hopes, will put its troubles behind it.
“It is a distraction. There are hundreds of missing children in London who have not been found and why we should be spending millions on searching for a child who went missing in another country I don’t know. Why isn’t this money being spent on the other missing children?”, the anonymous detective told the Sunday World.
The investigation led by Detective Inspector Andy Redwood is now nearly two years old and will have to deliver results soon before the public and critics ask questions about a seemingly open ended investigation with a blank cheque for one missing child, while so many other missing person cases in the UK are given a fraction of the resources to help find them.
The Met asked the Portuguese authorities for permission to search three sites and its original search was due to be completed on Friday.
Cold Case specialist, Alan Bailey, claims that the three sites over many acres, with 12 locations for specific ground penetration radar searches, is simply shooting in the dark because it is impossible to search the areas fully and forensically in such a short time, even with the extra seven days.
“The search lacks focus and direction. There is clearly no specific leads or intelligence beyond a traditional geographic profiler’s suggestion of possible locations where a preferential paedophile may have dumped a body or possible evidence”, he told the Sunday World.
The sites were all checked previously in the immediate days after the disappearance of Maddie and any chance of discovering buried material or disturbed soil were much greater then than seven years later, he said.
The search areas totaling up to 15 acres according to one source, simply does not inspire confidence that the investigation is on the brink of a break through.
Every time the Met  promises a major breakthrough it risks damaging its position.
“Cold case investigators should dampen expectations and only promise to do all it can to bring a fresh set of eyes to a case. It is dangerous and upsetting to raise people’s expectations’, the former head of the Irish Cold Case unit told the Sunday World.
The force will face considerable difficulty if it fails to deliver after this last ditch attempt to solve this very difficult case with these new searches.
There is some concerns that f there is no significant movement in the investigation it may be forced to push for arrests which may not be merited.
The Met will look for a face saving exercise and by pushing for arrests that the Portuguese authorities may not support, could give them a neutral way out.
By promising to solve the case in a fire engine fashion, overtaking and by implication deriding the work of other investigators on the case, then it has  perhaps, set itself up to fail and to fall from a great height.


Looks like Donal MacIntyre has made the leap from "abducted" to "disappeared".



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  • Stephen D  a day ago
    why dont they ask the parents?..I mean after all there was never any evidence of abduction...the whole tissue of lies surrounding this case points squarely at the father having hid his dead daughters body for fear of what an autopsy would show up!!
    The dogs indicated the presence of cadaver scent in apartment 5a so whose scent was that??




  • Lorraine McN  4 hours ago
    Perhaps Sy can explain how Kate McCann got Cadaverine on her clothes bearing in mind they now without any evidence,want us to believe a predator killed Madeleine in the apartment and took her corpse with him? The McCann's know exactly where Madeleine is and how she died. its time Sy explained what Gerry McCann knows and about whom?







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Post by Shhh on 06.06.14 21:30

I've had a look on google, it's a mixed bag.  Most of the sweat out tequniques are "approved" by rehab places, narconon (unsure if they're anything to do with NA), medical pages state as pointed out by Andy (iirc) liver removal.  So medically I sort of stand corrected.

This is interesting http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36183

Any how's, sorry if gone off topic but if I'm wrong I like to acknowledge it

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Post by ShuBob on 06.06.14 21:42

@lj wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:Does anyone know if Amaral has spoken about the current activity just as PB has done? Thanks.
I think the last time he spoke out was in the CMTV discussion programme, aired in November 2013, just after BBC Crimewatch had transmitted an extraordinarily selective reconstruction, which left out all kinds

Snip

So the answer is no, he hasn't spoken since the recent activity started unlike PB.

Thanks Tony.
He did now:


[..]Talking to reporters, Gonçalo Amaral said the theory that Madeleine may have been murdered and then buried nearby by someone who broke into the apartment with robbery in mind is simply “not believable”. This is, nonetheless, the theory that newspapers report British detectives are running with. Whether or not this theory is a blind - along with reports of animal bones and the odd sock - is another question entirely. - See more at: http://portugalresident.com/military-helicopter-%E2%80%9Cvery-busy%E2%80%9D-near-madeleine-dig-site#sthash.TjADuush.dpuf

Thanks LJ.

His reported comment gives no indication about his thoughts on the latest activity.

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Post by noddy100 on 06.06.14 21:55

I have experience of cocaine users and have always thought the whoosh clunk video is very similar

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Post by Lance De Boils on 06.06.14 22:15

Re this whole 'dig' thing;

It was reported before (forgive me - can't remember where,) that there would be other areas searched, including outside of PdL. 
All we've seen is them looking around the 'snail' - unless I'm mistaken?

Now, SY have requested an extension to give them another week.

Well, they've just spent 5 days on one area and they don't appear to have covered it all.

So how the hell will they have time to search the other areas as well, all within just 1 more week?

I'm wondering if there are simultaneous 'digs' going on already and the media are only permitted to film by the 'snail'.

Has AR been at the Snail all day every day? Or has he just 'popped by' now and then? If he hasn't been present the whole time, where else has he been?

They are on such a tight schedule that I can't imagine there's a minute to waste. They need to make the most of the time they've got. With that in mind, I can't believe that they are all planning to have a couple 'days off' [by the pool] on Monday and Tuesday. Surely they would stagger any rest days if they really have to have them?

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Post by TheTruthWillOut on 06.06.14 22:18

I guess Monday/Tuesday are off because of the Portuguese holidays. No PJ, no digging...

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Post by BlueBag on 06.06.14 22:21

They seem to have focused on the hidey-hole which would have nothing to do with the McCanns and is most likely connected to the drug dealers.

Sadly, on the surface, it looks like they are really going for the "burglars" did it.

If so it's pathetic.

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Post by stillsloppingout on 06.06.14 22:48

Sorry to be pessimistic ..again having watched the goings on for the past few days . i still feel it is the final act of a show .

    If you watch a cheap production at the theatre . you are left less than impressed at the end . SY with there helicopters , Cops in suits and briefcases, riding into town , being snapped bang on cue . then the blitz of officers scouring the scrubland ,finding an innocuous kiddies den, treating it like they had just unearthed Ramesses II .

Its all a grand finale ' Look we have thrown the lot at it and we conclude that ....... "  then the people go home ,the show may have been crap, but the production value was good so fair enough .

The PJ may state ALL there findings , [ which is SY main aim in the first place, to get the info they need to square this thing up ] it will be ignored or rubbished , and the show will be over . Ditto if GA publishes .

 There is NO body , it's long gone . This will all be over when the weather gets a bit shi**y again , probably when the footie is back on the TV . 

There is nothing coming out of Portugal that makes me think otherwise . 

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Post by Shhh on 06.06.14 23:02

@noddy100 wrote:I have experience of cocaine users and have always thought the whoosh clunk video is very similar
She certainly rabbits away like she's on something in that video.  Making perfect sense to her but none to anyone else

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Post by maebee on 06.06.14 23:23

Looking back on old vids this evening I just noticed something I hadn't noticed before. In this vid GM is all smiles up to 12.26 when he thinks the interview is over. Another interviewer (Central Television) then asks him to say something about the support in Rothley. This seemed to hit a raw nerve with him. So much so, that the interviewer had to apologise for asking the question. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OTGH4CcBX4&feature=youtu.be

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Post by BlueBag on 06.06.14 23:30

@maebee wrote:Looking back on old vids this evening I just noticed something I hadn't noticed before. In this vid GM is all smiles up to 12.26 when he thinks the interview is over. Another interviewer (Central Television) then asks him to say something about the support in Rothley. This seemed to hit a raw nerve with him. So much so, that the interviewer had to apologise for asking the question. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OTGH4CcBX4&feature=youtu.be
Interesting. 

He has to get back into his misery mode.

You can see Kate is composing herself as well.

Like actors.

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Post by russiandoll on 06.06.14 23:31

ref on twitter to a newspaper report from Portugal by Sandra F that Redwood is retiring later this year, going early then  if true.

 btw a rather unfortunate bit of editing on Sky news tonight, a brief report on the Maddie case : there was a reported appeal from the Mcs for people to ignore inaccurate media reports

 before that was the report that the Mcs were encouraged by the activities in Portugal, with a backdrop video of 2 police officers digging with their spades.

 Bizarre.

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Post by ShuBob on 06.06.14 23:33

@russiandoll wrote:ref on twitter to a newspaper report from Portugal by Sandra F that Redwood is retiring later this year, going early then  if true.

Already posted on the forum:

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9763-dci-andy-redwood-is-to-retire-later-this-year-and-pj-now-believes-it-was-a-foreigner-who-committed-a-crime-whilst-he-was-in-portugal

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Post by Praia on 06.06.14 23:37

Redwood came and went, he was probably off on a secure line updating London.
I don't see why they can't work on Monday, it's a workday. 
SSO I agree, this is the final big act in SY's side of the drama.

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Post by maebee on 06.06.14 23:40

@BlueBag wrote:
@maebee wrote:Looking back on old vids this evening I just noticed something I hadn't noticed before. In this vid GM is all smiles up to 12.26 when he thinks the interview is over. Another interviewer (Central Television) then asks him to say something about the support in Rothley. This seemed to hit a raw nerve with him. So much so, that the interviewer had to apologise for asking the question. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_OTGH4CcBX4&feature=youtu.be

Interesting. 

He has to get back into his misery mode.

You can see Kate is composing herself as well.

Like actors.



Yes BB. The acting is so obvious here. From 12.26 to 12.46, when he thinks the camera is stopped, we can see the real GM. He picks up the acting at 12.46.

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Post by Halfwit on 06.06.14 23:56

@Shhh wrote:
@noddy100 wrote:I have experience of cocaine users and have always thought the whoosh clunk video is very similar
She certainly rabbits away like she's on something in that video.  Making perfect sense to her but none to anyone else

I thought that from the first moment I saw it. She certainly wasn't on a Mother's Little Helper.  spin

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