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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by Gillyspot on 24.05.14 9:28

@Markus 2 wrote:Significant information and leads uncovered during his Operation Omega have gone on to form a part of the current Scotland Yard inquiry to find out what happened to the girl


Perhaps he is the only one with real legit  information and the rest of them dont like it.




transpired he had actually been conning the family the whole time, in what respect ?
From what I can see Exton was really doing investigative work in Portugal which the McCanns received. eg E-fits (with held for 5 years) & info on paedophiles & child trafficking (according to Mark Hollingsworth of Evening Standard).

"Meanwhile, Exton was running the surveillance teams in Portugal and often paying his operatives upfront, so would occasionally be out-of-pocket because Halligen had not transferred funds. Exton genuinely believed that progress was being made and substantial and credible reports on child trafficking were submitted. "

As regards "due dilligence" by BK & the McCann "fund" directors-No chance IMO.

"By April 2008, nearing the first anniversary of the disappearance, Kennedy and the McCanns were desperate. And so when Henri Exton, a former undercover police officer who worked on MI5 operations, and Kevin Halligen, a smooth-talking Irishman who claimed to have worked for covert British government intelligence agency GCHQ, walked through the door, their timing was perfect. Their sales pitch was classic James Bond spook-talk: everything had to be ‘top secret’ and ‘on a need to know basis’. The operation would involve 24-hour alert systems, undercover units, satellite imagery and round-the-clock surveillance teams that would fly in at short notice. This sounded very exciting but, as one source close to the investigation told ES, it was also very expensive and ultimately unsuccessful. ‘The real job at hand was old-fashioned, tedious, forensic police work rather than these boy’s own, glory boy antic,’ he said.

But Kennedy was impressed by the license-to-spy presentation and Exton and Halligen were hire for a fee of £100,000 per month plus expenses."

http://whereishalligen.blogspot.co.uk/2009/10/mark-hollingsworth-investigates.html


Perhaps our boys in blue could ask the McCanns why they (well donors to their Ltd Co "fund") paid for the 2 efits & then they sat on them for 5 years until the police insisted they share them. Could they also ask why Exton was given a gagging order regarding his investigation.



Now THAT would make a GREAT start for a TRUTHFUL documentary IMO.

My bits in bold

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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by suzyjohnson on 24.05.14 9:31

@ShuBob wrote:Here's what Clarence Mitchell is quoted to have said in November 2009 re Halligen's arrest:

Family spokesman Mr Mitchell said: "We are glad this man was tracked down. It is distressing someone would seek to make money out of Madeleine."

http://www.mccannfiles.com/id285.html

A bit of an understatement isn't it? If I were in the McCann's situation and Halligen had wasted all that money, I'd be livid. But not the McCann's it seems, they are furious with people like Amaral and Mrs Fenn.

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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by Markus 2 on 24.05.14 9:59

http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/48-questions-kate-mccann-wouldnt-answer/why-did-the-mccanns-suppress-vital-evidence/
 
IMO IT BOILS DOWN TO THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT LIKE THE  FINDINGS OF  OAKLEY




HALLIGEN IMO IS JUST A SIDE ISSUE.  BUT THEY HAVE TO EXPLAIN OR MAKE  A CASE THAT THE MONEY WAS NOT USED PROPERLY. MAYBE IT WAS NOT, BUT THAT IMO DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THE IMPORTANT ISSUE  IN ALL THIS .THE MCANNS SUPPRESSED  IMFORMATION THEY WASTED THE MONEY NOW THEY ARE ACCUSING OTHERS .

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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by Angelique on 24.05.14 10:21

@Markus 2 wrote:http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/48-questions-kate-mccann-wouldnt-answer/why-did-the-mccanns-suppress-vital-evidence/
 
IMO IT BOILS DOWN TO THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT LIKE THE  FINDINGS OF  OAKLEY

HALLIGEN IMO IS JUST A SIDE ISSUE.  BUT THEY HAVE TO EXPLAIN OR MAKE  A CASE THAT THE MONEY WAS NOT USED PROPERLY. MAYBE IT WAS NOT, BUT THAT IMO DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THE IMPORTANT ISSUE  IN ALL THIS .THE MCANNS SUPPRESSED  IMFORMATION THEY WASTED THE MONEY NOW THEY ARE ACCUSING OTHERS .

".THE MCANNS SUPPRESSED  IMFORMATION THEY WASTED THE MONEY NOW THEY ARE ACCUSING OTHERS ."

I agree - but isn't this their normal MO?

It's TM clearing the decks to make sure no muck sticks on them and they feel now is the right time to do it, any sooner and it may look like defence later and the effect would probably mess something else up which they have on their agenda.

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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by margaret on 24.05.14 10:34

@suzyjohnson wrote:
A bit of an understatement isn't it? If I were in the McCann's situation and Halligen had wasted all that money, I'd be livid. But not the McCann's it seems, they are furious with people like Amaral and Mrs Fenn.

Which just goes to show Halligen is untouchable to them for some reason.

I think it's highly likely that Halligen told all he knew about the Mccanns when he was arrested, plus info from hacking at NoTW was obtained and that's what started this 'review'.  yes 

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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by tasprin on 24.05.14 10:46

A clearly miffed Henri Exton spoke to the Sunday Times after BBC's Crimewatch and revealed he'd been threatened with legal action by the McCanns. It'll be very interesting if he contributed to the documentary, though I expect Carter-Ruck have already been on it.

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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by aiyoyo on 24.05.14 11:34


"DUE DILIGENCE WAS 'CARRIED OUT' BEFORE OAKLEY INTERNATIONALWERE 'EMPLOYED'"

By who though? That was cleverly left out .
When such a critical piece of info is deliberately concealed you can read whatever into it in a negative way.

The whole PIs outfit needs to investigated (maybe MET are already onto it).
His 'not so transparent' relationship with the Mccanns needs to be investigated.

Why would a businessman allegedly not knowing the Mccanns prior to the incident be allowed (by whom exactly) to set up a HQ to control and run the whole outfit of private detectives for missing Madeleine?

Did the Fund's BOD approve the appointment of BK as agent of PIs?
Assuming BK volunteered to become middle man agent of the PIs, the BOD has had to have approved his service, since (1) he will or may have to paid as agent for his service (not reflected in audited accounts) or (2) if the PIs were paid through his 'holding company' (also not reflected in audited accounts) which would also need to be approved by the BOD in order for it (the operation method) to be legit.

The Madeleines Fund cheque [for Kevin Halligen] [b]was placed in one of Kennedys holding companies and transferred the following day to another of Kennedy's holding companies".

If the allegation is true, that the payment (cheque) for K Halligen was given to one of B Kennedy's holding companies (assuming for him to pay the PIs) and cheque was subsequently cleared by another one of his BK's holding companies, it can only mean a blank cheque leaving out "payee" name (assuming with amount filled in) was given to BK, and then it was up to him to insert name of payee as he saw fit; ending up in he inserted name of one of his holding companies; assuming his holding company then in turn has to pay the PIs.

If this be the mutually agreed arrangement between BK and the Fund it is highly unusual.
In the first place it is extraordinarily unusual for BK ( relatively or totally not knowing the Mccanns and vice versa) to second his in-house lawyer Ed Smethurst to sit on the Board of Directors of the Fund and to avail his service freely to the Fund, assuming FOC.

Would this be a hand shake deal of "you can have my lawyer and I will run your PIs" ?
Too simplistic a view or there is more than meet the eyes?
No matter which, this unorthodox practice raises many questions bordering on legitimacy of management of the Fund.
Did a pair of well educated doctors allow themselves to be manipulated by a shrewd businessman and his lawyer ?
What about the rest of the BODs, were they also conned into approving this arrangement?
Did the Auditors query such unorthodox (if not illegitimate or unethical) way of paying detectives where the Fund's BODs have no control whatsoever over the hiring, vetting, managing, paying, monitoring, overseering etc of the pte detectives and their investigations ?
If BK was the Leave No Stone Unturned Pte Ltd's PIs agent, and the Fund paid directly to his company (as agent) he in turn paid the PIs, then his books should be opened for inspection by the Fund and its Auditors, was this done ?

It's hard to believe that a pair of doctors plus all the directors on board the Fund would allow a businessman ( a shrewd self made millionaire capable of good judgement for his business) to make a series of mistakes of hiring either conman, drug dealer, or dodgy characters as pte detectives, paying them handsomely to search for Madeleine, and not question his judgement/mistake or put a stop to it. You would think there is a control mechanism or system since a massive sum of money is involved.

If this programme refers to BK as conman it would make perfect sense, since he was responsible for the hire of Halligen.


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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by Guest on 24.05.14 12:22

@Markus 2 wrote:http://ukpaedos-exposed.com/48-questions-kate-mccann-wouldnt-answer/why-did-the-mccanns-suppress-vital-evidence/
 
IMO IT BOILS DOWN TO THE FACT THAT THEY DID NOT LIKE THE  FINDINGS OF  OAKLEY




HALLIGEN IMO IS JUST A SIDE ISSUE.  BUT THEY HAVE TO EXPLAIN OR MAKE  A CASE THAT THE MONEY WAS NOT USED PROPERLY. MAYBE IT WAS NOT, BUT THAT IMO DOES NOT SEEM TO BE THE IMPORTANT ISSUE  IN ALL THIS .THE MCANNS SUPPRESSED  IMFORMATION THEY WASTED THE MONEY NOW THEY ARE ACCUSING OTHERS .
Nail on head.

It appears to be as plain as the (ever-increasing) nose on GM's face that this is an attempt by TM to discredit the current main focus in SY's investigation, Smithman.

From the programme's synopsis:

"...Kevin Halligen convinced the parents of missing Madeleine McCann, he was a secret agent. It soon transpired he had actually been conning the family the whole time, however, evidence he had gathered has since been used in the Scotland Yard case. In this film, ex-FBI agents, ex-military officers and ex-MI5 personnel discuss the con and the subsequent use of evidence."


It's clear that the programme intends to undermine the evidence collected by Operation Omega using the repuation and convictions of Halligan as their justification, despite the fact that the investigative part of the operation was conducted by Exton, who claims he too was compromised in that task by Halligan's failure to fund it properly, according to the iconic Sunday Times report back in October 13 just after CW.


In fact, I believe this could discredit that whole article. A reminder:


"Madeleine clues hidden for 5 years

The new prime suspect was first singled out by detectives in 2008. Their findings were suppressed. Insight reports
The Sunday Times Insight team Published: 27 October 2013
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Madeleine disappeared from the Praia da Luz resort in May 2007Madeleine disappeared from the Praia da Luz resort in May 2007 (Adrian Sheratt)
THE critical new evidence at the centre of Scotland Yard’s search for Madeleine McCann was kept secret for five years after it was presented to her parents by ex-MI5 investigators.

The evidence was in fact taken from an intelligence report produced for Gerry and Kate McCann by a firm of former spies in 2008.

It contained crucial E-Fits of a man seen carrying a child on the night of Madeleine’s disappearance, which have only this month become public after he was identified as the prime suspect by Scotland Yard.

A team of hand-picked former MI5 agents had been hired by the McCanns to chase a much-needed breakthrough in the search for their missing daughter Madeleine.


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10 months after the three-year-old had disappeared from the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz, and the McCanns were beginning to despair over the handling of the local police investigation. They were relying on the new team to bring fresh hope.

But within months the relationship had soured. A report produced by the investigators was deemed “hypercritical” of the McCanns and their friends, and the authors were threatened with legal action if it was made public. Its contents remained secret until Scotland Yard detectives conducting a fresh review of the case contacted the authors and asked for a copy.

They found that it contained new evidence about a key suspect seen carrying a child away from the McCanns’ holiday apartment on the night Madeleine disappeared.

This sighting is now considered the main lead in the investigation and E-Fits of the suspect, taken from the report, were the centrepiece of a Crimewatch appeal that attracted more than 2,400 calls from the public this month.

One of the investigators whose work was sidelined said last week he was “utterly stunned” when he watched the programme and saw the evidence his team had passed to the McCanns five years ago presented as a breakthrough.

The team of investigators from the security firm Oakley International were hired by the McCanns’ Find Madeleine fund, which bankrolled private investigations into the girl’s disappearance. They were led by Henri Exton, MI5’s former undercover operations chief.

Their report, seen by The Sunday Times, focused on a sighting by an Irish family of a man carrying a child at about 10pm on May 3, 2007, when Madeleine went missing.

An earlier sighting by one of the McCanns’ friends was dismissed as less credible after “serious inconsistencies” were found in her evidence. The report also raised questions about “anomalies” in the statements given by the McCanns and their friends.

Exton confirmed last week that the fund had silenced his investigators for years after they handed over their controversial findings. He said: “A letter came from their lawyers binding us to the confidentiality of the report.”

He claimed the legal threat had prevented him from handing over the report to Scotland Yard’s fresh investigation, until detectives had obtained written permission from the fund.

A source close to the fund said the report was considered “hypercritical of the people involved” and “would have been completely distracting” if it became public.

Kate and Gerry McCann: now officially not suspects, say the Portuguese authoritiesKate and Gerry McCann: now officially not suspects, say the Portuguese authorities (Adrian Sheratt) Oakley’s six-month investigation included placing undercover agents inside the Ocean Club where the family stayed, lie detector tests, covert surveillance and a forensic re-examination of all existing evidence.

It was immediately clear that two sightings of vital importance had been reported to the police. Two men were seen carrying children near the apartments between 9pm, when Madeleine was last seen by Gerry, and 10pm, when Kate discovered her missing.

The first man was seen at 9.15pm by Jane Tanner, a friend of the McCanns, who had been dining with them at the tapas bar in the resort. She saw a man carrying a girl just yards from the apartment as she went to check on her children.

The second sighting was by Martin Smith and his family from Ireland, who saw a man carrying a child near the apartment just before 10pm.

The earlier Tanner sighting had always been treated as the most significant, but the Oakley team controversially poured cold water on her account.

Instead, they focused on the Smith sighting, travelling to Ireland to interview the family and produce E-Fits of the man they saw. Their report said the Smiths were “helpful and sincere” and concluded: “The Smith sighting is credible evidence of a sighting of Maddie and more credible than Jane Tanner’s sighting”. The evidence had been “neglected for too long” and an “overemphasis placed on Tanner”.

The new focus shifted the believed timeline of the abduction back by 45 minutes.

The pictures of a man who may have taken Madeleine were drawn up in 2008The pictures of a man who may have taken Madeleine were drawn up in 2008 (Adrian Sheratt) The report, delivered to the McCanns in November 2008, recommended that the revised timeline should be the basis for future investigations and that the Smith E-Fits should be released without delay.

The potential abductor seen by the Smiths is now the prime suspect in Scotland Yard’s investigation, after detectives established that the man seen earlier by Tanner was almost certainly a father carrying his child home from a nearby night creche. The Smith E-Fits were the centrepiece of the Crimewatch appeal.

One of the Oakley investigators said last week: “I was absolutely stunned when I watched the programme . . . It most certainly wasn’t a new timeline and it certainly isn’t a new revelation. It is absolute nonsense to suggest either of those things . . . And those E-Fits you saw on Crimewatch are ours,” he said.

The detailed images of the face of the man seen by the Smith family were never released by the McCanns. But an artist’s impression of the man seen earlier by Tanner was widely promoted, even though the face had to be left blank because she had only seen him fleetingly and from a distance.

Various others images of lone men spotted hanging around the resort at other times were also released.

Nor were the Smith E-Fits included in Kate McCann’s 2011 book, Madeleine, which contained a whole section on eight “key sightings” and identified those of the Smiths and Tanner as most “crucial”. Descriptions of all seven other sightings were accompanied by an E-Fit or artist’s impression. The Smiths’ were the only exception. So why was such a “crucial” piece of evidence kept under lock and key?

The relationship between the fund and Oakley was already souring by the time the report was submitted — and its findings could only have made matters worse.

As well as questioning parts of the McCanns’ evidence, it contained sensitive information about Madeleine’s sleeping patterns and raised the highly sensitive possibility that she could have died in an accident after leaving the apartment herself from one of two unsecured doors.

There was also an uncomfortable complication with Smith’s account. He had originally told the police that he had “recognised something” about the way Gerry McCann carried one of his children which reminded him of the man he had seen in Praia da Luz.

Smith has since stressed that he does not believe the man he saw was Gerry, and Scotland Yard do not consider this a possibility. Last week the McCanns were told officially by the Portuguese authorities that they are not suspects.

The McCanns were also understandably wary of Oakley after allegations that the chairman, Kevin Halligen, failed to pass on money paid by the fund to Exton’s team. Halligen denies this. He was later convicted of fraud in an unrelated case in the US.

The McCann fund source said the Oakley report was passed on to new private investigators after the contract ended, but that the firm’s work was considered “contaminated” by the financial dispute.

He said the fund wanted to continue to pursue information about the man seen by Tanner, and it would have been too expensive to investigate both sightings in full — so the Smith E-Fits were not publicised. It was also considered necessary to threaten legal action against the authors.

“[The report] was hypercritical of the people involved . . . It just wouldn’t be conducive to the investigation to have that report publicly declared because . . . the newspapers would have been all over it. And it would have been completely distracting,” said the source.

A statement released by the Find Madeleine fund said that “all information privately gathered during the search for Madeleine has been fully acted upon where necessary” and had been passed to Scotland Yard.

It continued: “Throughout the investigation, the Find Madeleine fund’s sole priority has been, and remains, to find Madeleine and bring her home as swiftly as possible.”

Insight: Heidi Blake and Jonathan Calvert"




Now who would do that? Who is the Production Company responsible for the making of this programme?  

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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by aiyoyo on 24.05.14 12:35

@margaret wrote:
@suzyjohnson wrote:
A bit of an understatement isn't it? If I were in the McCann's situation and Halligen had wasted all that money, I'd be livid. But not the McCann's it seems, they are furious with people like Amaral and Mrs Fenn.

Which just goes to show Halligen is untouchable to them for some reason.

I think it's highly likely that Halligen told all he knew about the Mccanns when he was arrested, plus info from hacking at NoTW was obtained and that's what started this 'review'.  yes 

IMV, Halligen probably knew nothing.
These sums reported cannot be verified. He may have got only a small fraction of the smallest reported sum or he may have been paid expenses only (as may be the case also with all the rest of the PIs).
He was happy to get the money for doing nothing, for the lack of clear remit and not having to produce anything to justify his fee and/or expenses.

I suspect all the detectives bearing Dave Edgar (the only genuine detective - so he claimed at the Libel trial) were not asked to show proof of their works.

What it amounts to is : the Fund (by extension the Mccanns) outsourced search to BK; BK hired PIs nilly willy, just about anyone willing to accept the job without any concern for true nature of the crime or task, and they in turn hired cheapish call centre to collect data without need to follow up, or come up with a few pseudo-sightings just to go through the motion. And, that's the whole truth of this search matter !

If one looks at their hire history, one can't help noticing that every one of the PIs hired was not of well established PI firm, nor credible with years of experience or expertise or success in the field of searching for missing person. They were all individuals who could do with some extra money and didn't mind lending their names to this phoney cause.
One even have to question whether they were licensed PIs, as in, did they have licence to practise or did they have to acquire one quickly upon hire?

I think the pertinent question is :
Was money laundered through BK's holding companies, or did BK con the Mccanns ?



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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by canada12 on 24.05.14 12:46

Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

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Post by Gillyspot on 24.05.14 12:57

@canada12 wrote:Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

Good question canada12

IMO it is answer b.   Even Exton's report was considered "hypercritical" of the McCanns so they suppressed it (including the E-Fits) for 5 years.

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Post by Markus 2 on 24.05.14 12:58

@canada12 wrote:Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

Makes sense they would not want   reputable investigators to carry on from where it was left i.e. Smiths sighting of a Gerry look alike.

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Post by Guest on 24.05.14 13:02

@Gillyspot wrote:
@canada12 wrote:Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

Good question canada12

IMO it is answer b.   Even Exton's report was considered "hypercritical" of the McCanns so they suppressed it (including the E-Fits) for 5 years.
Yes, suppression didn't work, eventually the truth leaked out. IMO this programme sets out to destroy that what couldn't be suppressed. It's Channel 5, presumably a smallish production company is responsible for the programme. It's an independent, not a BBC heavyweight. Who would have that level of influence to bring this sort of programme to that level of audience?

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Post by Markus 2 on 24.05.14 13:11

Dee Coy wrote:
@Gillyspot wrote:
@canada12 wrote:Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

Good question canada12

IMO it is answer b.   Even Exton's report was considered "hypercritical" of the McCanns so they suppressed it (including the E-Fits) for 5 years.
Yes, suppression didn't work, eventually the truth leaked out. IMO this programme sets out to destroy that what couldn't be suppressed. It's Channel 5, presumably a smallish production company is responsible for the programme. It's an independent, not a BBC heavyweight. Who would have that level of influence to bring this sort of programme to that level of audience?
Anything to do with Jez

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Post by aiyoyo on 24.05.14 13:14

Dee Coy wrote:
@Gillyspot wrote:
@canada12 wrote:Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

Good question canada12

IMO it is answer b.   Even Exton's report was considered "hypercritical" of the McCanns so they suppressed it (including the E-Fits) for 5 years.
Yes, suppression didn't work, eventually the truth leaked out. IMO this programme sets out to destroy that what couldn't be suppressed. It's Channel 5, presumably a smallish production company is responsible for the programme. It's an independent, not a BBC heavyweight. Who would have that level of influence to bring this sort of programme to that level of audience?

The question should rather be 'why', why a programme on the Mccanns?
The timing is bit odd as well considering AC Mark Rowley recent caution to the Press.

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Post by Gillyspot on 24.05.14 13:20

@aiyoyo wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:
@Gillyspot wrote:
@canada12 wrote:Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

Good question canada12

IMO it is answer b.   Even Exton's report was considered "hypercritical" of the McCanns so they suppressed it (including the E-Fits) for 5 years.
Yes, suppression didn't work, eventually the truth leaked out. IMO this programme sets out to destroy that what couldn't be suppressed. It's Channel 5, presumably a smallish production company is responsible for the programme. It's an independent, not a BBC heavyweight. Who would have that level of influence to bring this sort of programme to that level of audience?

The question should rather be 'why', why a programme on the Mccanns?
The timing is bit odd as well considering AC Mark Rowley recent caution to the Press.
One thing we can be sure of is - if the program goes ahead it does so with the full approval of the McCanns & their EXPENSIVE libel lawyers.

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Post by canada12 on 24.05.14 13:34

@Gillyspot wrote:
@canada12 wrote:Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

Good question canada12

IMO it is answer b.   Even Exton's report was considered "hypercritical" of the McCanns so they suppressed it (including the E-Fits) for 5 years.

I think it's b. because a reputable detective agency would have got to the bottom of it very quickly and would have arrived at the same glaringly obvious conclusions we have in light of the inconsistencies, the lack of any credible proof whatsoever of a live abduction, the findings of the dogs, the peculiar lack of DNA, etc etc etc etc..

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Post by canada12 on 24.05.14 13:39

@Gillyspot wrote:
One thing we can be sure of is - if the program goes ahead it does so with the full approval of the McCanns & their EXPENSIVE libel lawyers.

I'm not so sure about that. Perhaps its production has been kept a very closely guarded secret so that no advance knowledge would leak out to anyone who might be seen in an unfavourable light in the program. Are we sure the McCanns are still repped by the expensive libel lawyers? The key word here is "expensive". Have we seen any evidence of the libel lawyers at work recently?

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Post by Cristobell on 24.05.14 13:44

@Gillyspot wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:
@Gillyspot wrote:
@canada12 wrote:Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

Good question canada12

IMO it is answer b.   Even Exton's report was considered "hypercritical" of the McCanns so they suppressed it (including the E-Fits) for 5 years.
Yes, suppression didn't work, eventually the truth leaked out. IMO this programme sets out to destroy that what couldn't be suppressed. It's Channel 5, presumably a smallish production company is responsible for the programme. It's an independent, not a BBC heavyweight. Who would have that level of influence to bring this sort of programme to that level of audience?

The question should rather be 'why', why a programme on the Mccanns?
The timing is bit odd as well considering AC Mark Rowley recent caution to the Press.
One thing we can be sure of is - if the program goes ahead it does so with the full approval of the McCanns & their EXPENSIVE libel lawyers.
Not necessarily.  It has been a long time since the McCanns threatened anyone with an libel action - and they are not in a position to do so.  They are still awaiting the outcome of their action Lisbon and its clear to everyone that it has not gone well for them.  I doubt expensive libel lawyers will instigate any new claims for them until the Lisbon trial is over.  The only way they would agree to issuing new proceedings would be with a substantial payment up front, and I don't believe the McCanns have that kind money.  Actually, I think they are probably near broke, or soon will be when the libel trial in Lisbon concludes.  


The McCanns are in a very vulnerable position as far as the legal arm of their campaign is concerned.  Their claws have been removed, they can't threaten anyone.  They may have 'won' their case against Tony, but it cost them dear £350k+, but apart from financially they put their own Carter Ruck lawyer in the embarrassing position of having to admit that the only proof of abduction she had, came from the McCanns.  Imo, Carter Ruck seem to have stepped back since that time.


Knowing the litigious nature of the couple, the makers of the program and Channel 5 would have taken legal advice, but in any event, if something is true, it is not libel.  Hallegan is a crook, and the McCanns hired not only one crook, but several.  If the program's intention is to portray the parents as innocent victims, it should be hilarious.  

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Post by Woofer on 24.05.14 13:53

Clarence Mitchell thought they were `the big boys of international detection`:-

  "He has made exaggerated claims about the private detectives hired by the McCanns. On one occasion he referred to ‘a crack team of top detectives’ - yet there was never any sign of them. His most outrageous lie came in August 2008 when he told the media that the McCanns had appointed ‘Oakley International’ to look for Madeleine, adding that ‘they were the big boys of international private detection’. This false claim was exposed 14 months later, when the Evening Standard revealed that it was a one-man band run by serial fraudster Kevin Halligen. After working for the McCanns, Halligen went on the run from police. He was arrested in October 2009 and spent four years in prison, first in Belmarsh, and then in a U.S. jail. He had committed a £1.5 million fraud in the U.S. The McCanns admitted to paying Halligen £500,000 plus expenses, yet he found nothing. Mitchell had misled the media and the general public."

http://whathappenedtomadeleinemccann.blogspot.co.uk/2013/08/brighton-pavilion-constituency-things.html

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Post by Gillyspot on 24.05.14 13:54

I have searched & found more information regarding this program. It seems it is due to be aired on WEDNESDAY 4th June (not Tuesday 3rd).
http://www.locatetv.com/tv/mccanns-and-the-conman/8643132


Producer/Director is Adrian Gatton filmography from locatetv here http://www.locatetv.com/person/adrian-gatton/16514/filmography

Executive Producer is Jacqui Wilson filmography from locatetv here http://www.locatetv.com/person/jacqui-wilson/4087/schedule


Adrian Gatton is a freelance producer. Here is more about him
"I am a freelance television producer who has made programmes for the BBC and Channel 4 in the UK. I have worked for series such as Dispatches, Cutting Edge, The Money Programme, Panorama (developments), Sleepers (undercover), Mark Thomas, other investigative, crime and contemporary history programmes. I have produced a series of original Channel 4 News investigations, worked as an occasional reporter (Channel 4 News) and also a documentary director (First Cut, Channel 4). I also write for national newspapers and magazines."

http://adriangatton.net/

Seems it was produced by Channel 5 as Jacqui Wilson states on her linkedin

"Executive Producer
[*]EXECUTIVE PRODUCER at FIVE PRODUCTIONS, CH5 "

http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/jacqui-wilson/68/6b6/966

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Post by margaret on 24.05.14 13:58

@canada12 wrote:Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

I've told this before to Tony and on this forum but I'll say it again....

I know a woman who's son is a retired police officer, now either he or his friend runs their own private investigation firm. (I can't remember which) and one of them was approached by Brian Kennedy to investigate this case and brought the other one in to assist. (Both retired police officers/detectives l don't know what ranks).

They went out to PDL and went through the PJ files and they went back to Kennedy and told him they suspected the Mccanns.

Kennedy wouldn't hear of it.

And yes l have spoken to her since then and asked her to get her son to talk to SY, l don't know if he has but l really hope so.

So what's in it for Kennedy to assist the mccanns?
and why still support them when you're being told otherwise?

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Post by Markus 2 on 24.05.14 14:15

@Gillyspot wrote:I have searched & found more information regarding this program. It seems it is due to be aired on WEDNESDAY 4th June (not Tuesday 3rd).
http://www.locatetv.com/tv/mccanns-and-the-conman/8643132


Producer/Director is Adrian Gatton filmography from locatetv here http://www.locatetv.com/person/adrian-gatton/16514/filmography

Executive Producer is Jacqui Wilson filmography from locatetv here http://www.locatetv.com/person/jacqui-wilson/4087/schedule


Adrian Gatton is a freelance producer. Here is more about him
"I am a freelance television producer who has made programmes for the BBC and Channel 4 in the UK. I have worked for series such as Dispatches, Cutting Edge, The Money Programme, Panorama (developments), Sleepers (undercover), Mark Thomas, other investigative, crime and contemporary history programmes. I have produced a series of original Channel 4 News investigations, worked as an occasional reporter (Channel 4 News) and also a documentary director (First Cut, Channel 4). I also write for national newspapers and magazines."

http://adriangatton.net/

Seems it was produced by Channel 5 as Jacqui Wilson states on her linkedin

"Executive Producer
[*]EXECUTIVE PRODUCER at FIVE PRODUCTIONS, CH5 "

http://uk.linkedin.com/pub/jacqui-wilson/68/6b6/966


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Is there a tie in with Jeremy Wilkins somewhere ,I wonder or would that be too obvious.

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Re: Now shown on Channel 5: 'THE McCANNS AND THE CONMAN'

Post by Woofer on 24.05.14 15:07

@margaret wrote:
@canada12 wrote:Exactly my line of thinking all along - a big list of small, obscure companies that were hired with great fanfare, only to come up with... nothing substantial. The big question is, why did the McCanns not hire reputable detectives with a solid reputation to look for Madeleine. The answer has to be:

a. The reputable detectives wanted nothing to do with the case
and / or
b. The McCanns wanted nothing to do with the reputable detectives.

IMO.

I've told this before to Tony and on this forum but I'll say it again....

I know a woman who's son is a retired police officer, now either he or his friend runs their own private investigation firm. (I can't remember which) and one of them was approached by Brian Kennedy to investigate this case and brought the other one in to assist. (Both retired police officers/detectives l don't know what ranks).

They went out to PDL and went through the PJ files and they went back to Kennedy and told him they suspected the Mccanns.

Kennedy wouldn't hear of it.

And yes l have spoken to her since then and asked her to get her son to talk to SY, l don't know if he has but l really hope so.

So what's in it for Kennedy to assist the mccanns?
and why still support them when you're being told otherwise?
Interesting.  thinking 

 So that two lots of detectives, who on the face of it seem more legit than the other seedy PIs, that have reported that the Mcs are the most likely suspects.

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Post by Woofer on 24.05.14 15:30

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