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Re: Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

Post by tigger on 28.05.14 8:45

@canada12 wrote:The thing about Jimmy Savile is that he made a point of making himself big and famous - the bigger and more famous, the better. And he coupled that with a number of "good deeds" so that people put him on a pedestal. Publicly, he was famous and admired for his charitable deeds, the result being that if any of his victims did complain, they were dismissed because Savile was "untouchable".

It's as if he wrote the manual for making yourself untouchable and beyond reproach. Big yourself up. Put yourself "out there" so that everyone can see what a famous person you are. Couple that with charitable deeds and make sure your face is the one people associate with those charitable deeds.

Hmm.
Sound familiar?

- and pretend to be very close to persons of repute, or at least invited into their presence.

A friend of mine would not believe anything bad about the McCanns because the Pope had received them.

That's why i don't believe Prince Charles and the likes of Thatcher knew anything about Savil's crimes. It's the reason people in high places stick togeter, every nutter in the world would be knocking on their door and claiming friendship.
If Savil gives the impression he's great mates with royalty, said royalty cannot make a public statement that Savil is lying.
The charity angle is the key which opens doors for the vilest of creatures.

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Post by Angelique on 28.05.14 9:05

AndyB

I agree with your comments.

I do have some concern about Tom Watson though. It could be that those who may be exposed by him think they can ignore him.

aiyoyo

Yes it is impossible to not reach the conclusion that we have and I think any logical mind would. It was after all the conflicting statements and impossible timelines that gave the PJ and SY their initial concerns.

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Post by nobodythereeither on 28.05.14 9:15

@1soapy wrote:Just a point of reference about the case being simple or complex. The principle of Occam’s razor does not mean, ‘simple’.

I wish I'd never mentioned Occam's Razor!

To say it again - I used the term in relation to a possible whitewash, NOT to the case itself!!

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Re: Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

Post by Doug D on 28.05.14 9:16

Still waiting the Craig Murray (Former British Ambassador to Uzbekistan) blog:

 A Day Off Politics
by craig on May 23, 2014 5:31 pm in Uncategorized
No politics tomorrow.  Instead there will be a short post entitled – Amanda Knox, Oscar Pistorius and the McCanns.  Guilty as hell.’
 
although he has apologized for the delay:
 
‘Just to say no suspicious reason for non-appearance of post – not had time to finish it yet,’
 
But in the meantime some of the 84 comments make interesting reading.
 
One of them highlights a remark from KM (reported in Diario de Noticias) of which I had no recollection from the McCann files:
 
‘Further government involvement is indicated by Kate McCann’s rather desperate remarks to Ricardo Paiva on September 3 2007, after he told her that she was going to be brought in for more questioning:
“but the Portuguese police is being pressured by the Government to end the investigation!”
  http://www.mccannfiles.com/id151.html
 
The newspaper report goes on to say:
 
‘These and other reactions from the British couple are included in a revealing letter that the same inspector, Ricardo Paiva, sent to Gonçalo Amaral, who was then still the coordinator of the Maddie case, on the 3rd of September, two days before the interrogation.
 
That letter, which goes unnoticed among the 17 volumes of the process, is included in a process that reunited almost five thousand pages, nine appendixes and rogatory letters and which was made public and available to the press yesterday.’

There is also a comment from Craig about John Buck:

‘I know John Buck fairly well. A nice man, but the chances of him ever doing anything without a direct instruction are nil.’

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Post by russiandoll on 28.05.14 9:32

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      Your post at 8.14 has to be one of the best things I have read on this forum. Re Andy Redwood, I am prepared to give the man the benefit of the doubt re his actions regarding this case.

 So long as I don't see an arrogant expression like this      downturned mouth



  but one like this      I will believe that is the face of a man who wants to bring anyone who played a part in harming the little girl behind him to justice.

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Re: Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

Post by ultimaThule on 28.05.14 9:39

@tigger wrote:
@canada12 wrote:The thing about Jimmy Savile is that he made a point of making himself big and famous - the bigger and more famous, the better. And he coupled that with a number of "good deeds" so that people put him on a pedestal. Publicly, he was famous and admired for his charitable deeds, the result being that if any of his victims did complain, they were dismissed because Savile was "untouchable".

It's as if he wrote the manual for making yourself untouchable and beyond reproach. Big yourself up. Put yourself "out there" so that everyone can see what a famous person you are. Couple that with charitable deeds and make sure your face is the one people associate with those charitable deeds.

Hmm.
Sound familiar?

- and pretend to be very close to persons of repute, or at least invited into their presence.

A friend of mine would not believe anything bad about the McCanns because the Pope had received them.

That's why i don't believe  Prince Charles and the likes of Thatcher knew anything about Savil's crimes. It's the reason people in high places stick togeter,  every nutter in the world would be knocking on their door and claiming friendship.
If Savil gives the impression he's great mates with royalty, said royalty cannot make a public statement that Savil is lying.
The charity angle is the key which opens doors for the vilest of creatures.

And always has done, tigger.  From the giving of alms to workhouses and orphanages and homes for fallen women and residential schools for wayward children, vile creatures throughout history have always been eager to dispense charity to the most vulnerable members of society as they are the least likely to complain and, should they summons the courage to speak out, are also the least likely to be believed.

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Re: Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

Post by aiyoyo on 28.05.14 9:47

Angelique
I think their behavior immediately after the incident must be red flags to PJ first and foremost before the revelation of the testimonies.
Calling media, jogging, goofing around while waiting in police stations, going for walk about, putting up collection boxes are all not normal signs of anxious parents waiting by the phone for Police to call in case she's found.

Personally I believe their reason for not coming home immediately is because they'd unfinished business awaiting opportune time to complete. Had the PJ placed surveillance on their phones and movements they would be languishing in Portugal prison long ago.

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Re: Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

Post by TozerDerry on 28.05.14 9:48

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Angelique wrote:If we are going to attempt to apply TozerDerry's Cold Fusion approach we are going to have a problem straight away.

All we have to try and prove innocence is the conflicting statements from T9 and Warner employees and various other guests together with Forensic evidence which has proved inconclusive.

If none of these support each other were are not going to advance anywhere.

Assumption of guilt or innocence is based on evidence.
Cold Fusion approach works only if evidence is open to interpretation either way, having merits that both sides can use to support their arguments.
This case in question the evidence is a pretty much an open and close book, one that leans even from the outset heavily to parents involvement.  Hence members mindset they are guilty - it's an inevitable deduction.

Even a novice applying an open mind can't help arriving at that mindset, not when they did not search, kate's refused to answer police questions (lawyer advice is poor excuse as truthful answers of someone innocence cannot self incriminate) taken with cadaverine detection dogs markings, blank refusal to return for reconstruction, inconsistent testimonies, spin and all the rest, these are all strong circumstantial evidence against them.

So far I have not seen reasonable behavior or any evidence they are innocence. Even their action of hiring a series of PIs not experts in the field of searching for missing persons is not indicative of innocents desperate to find their child.  

Cold Fusion approach is useless for this case.
It is only an "open and closed book" if your mindset lets you believe that. There are many people who firmly believe that the McCanns are innocent- look at the responses to news articles- both sides post what they believe.

The Cold Fusion approach is more than ever necessary if you merely accept what is being said by opponents.

If it were an open and shut case, there would have been prosecutions or other action- this has not happened. Now that does not mean that the McCanns are not guilty, but it does mean that the evidence is thin and could have different interpretation. The CPS must believe that there is no chance of a trial in the UK as they have not charged- nor have the Portuguese.

All of your points are interesting- refusal to answer questions, dogs, reconstruction, inconsistencies, PIs etc, but all are open to other explanation.

That is why it is necessary, if the truth is to be approached rigorously, to use something like the null hypothesis approach.

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Re: Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

Post by nglfi on 28.05.14 9:49

@lj wrote:
@nglfi wrote:
@lj wrote:
@ShuBob wrote:
@SixMillionQuid wrote:
@nobodythereeither wrote:
@Bishop Brennan wrote: SY have said from day 1 that the parents / T7 are not suspects; they have been updating them regularly; they have not reinterviewed any of the T9; senior SY officers have rubbished the idea on radio.   Right now, the McCann's are outside of the SY investigative remit based on ALL the information and evidence given by AR and all of his superiors.  It would require a major bit of evidence to be discovered (probably by PJ) to persuade them otherwise.
 

I am catching up, so apologies if these points have already been made.

1. "SY have said from day 1 that the parents / T7 are not suspects." The PJ also said the parents were not suspects - until they made them arguidos. What are SY supposed to say in public at this stage, that yes the parents are suspects? Hardly!
How about keeping quiet?

The person from the PJ who said they were not suspects resigned from post just after the parents were made arguido.

So the same may happen in this case? Who knows? In any case, I think it's best to wait and see.

I'll wait and see.

I just wonder for the non-whitewashers: what would be an acceptable outcome for you:

1) the McCanns are being arrested for whatever kind of charge.

2) a patsy suspect is being arrested for the abduction and murder of Madeleine

3) Nobody is being arrested, and the SY claims it's all PJ's fault because they don't want to play ball.

4) Nobody is being arrested and the SY says they have not found enough evidence to create an acceptable scenario.

5) else, please describe
Only that when the Portuguese police have enough evidence to arrest and charge the McCanns, they will. They are clearly working on it as we speak, whether or not they finally have enough evidence at the end is another question. They need the body to come to any definitive conclusions about who did what and how. Or a detailed confession from one or more of the T9.
Scotland Yard can effectively do what they like, they have no official remit over this investigation. If they want to help find evidence to help charge the culprits, then good. If they simply want to spend a load of public money to look busy, then it's a shame about the waste, but the PJ investigation continues unabated. For me the best scenario is that what SY are actually working on is the fraud aspect, where I believe they would have jurisdiction.

But I don't believe they are looking for a patsy, and I don't read anything into them saying the Macs are not suspects (well nothing whitewashy anyway!)

So I guess no 4 is sadly the most likely outcome - I'm not too positive of how much evidence can actually be found now, so if SY say this I don't think it will be for whitewash reasons, rather than that it is actually the case that there isn't enough evidence to prosecute.

Thank you for your answer, nglfi. Do you believe that SY did investigate everything that has to do with the McCanns and Tapas 7?
It's such an interesting case because there's so much we don't know and have to make do with theories - all I know is that if I was part of OG, I certainly would look at mccanns and tapas 7, and I would assume that if this isn't a whitewash then they already will have done. Something I see posted frequently on here is the objection that SY 'still haven't interviewed the tapas 9' (without quoting anyone in particular). We simply don't know that. I think it's more than coincidence that David Payne disappeared from the Crimewatch program. Exactly why I couldn't say. But I draw hope from it, given my thoughts about his general involvement in the case.  Maybe I'm a naieve optimist, who knows :)

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Post by TozerDerry on 28.05.14 9:51

@nobodythereeither wrote:
@1soapy wrote:Just a point of reference about the case being simple or complex. The principle of Occam’s razor does not mean, ‘simple’.

I wish I'd never mentioned Occam's Razor!

To say it again - I used the term in relation to a possible whitewash, NOT to the case itself!!
But it and the null hypothesis approach are the most important rules in making decisions in a logical and scientific manner.

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Post by Doug D on 28.05.14 10:28

Have to agree with RD about Bobbin's post @ 8.14.

Admin/Bobbin

Could this be given its own thread as it's worthy of a wider audience and is already disappearing into the forum sunset?

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Post by TozerDerry on 28.05.14 11:02

@aiyoyo wrote:
@Angelique wrote:If we are going to attempt to apply TozerDerry's Cold Fusion approach we are going to have a problem straight away.

All we have to try and prove innocence is the conflicting statements from T9 and Warner employees and various other guests together with Forensic evidence which has proved inconclusive.

If none of these support each other were are not going to advance anywhere.

Assumption of guilt or innocence is based on evidence.
Cold Fusion approach works only if evidence is open to interpretation either way, having merits that both sides can use to support their arguments.
This case in question the evidence is a pretty much an open and close book, one that leans even from the outset heavily to parents involvement.  Hence members mindset they are guilty - it's an inevitable deduction.

Even a novice applying an open mind can't help arriving at that mindset, not when they did not search, kate's refused to answer police questions (lawyer advice is poor excuse as truthful answers of someone innocence cannot self incriminate) taken with cadaverine detection dogs markings, blank refusal to return for reconstruction, inconsistent testimonies, spin and all the rest, these are all strong circumstantial evidence against them.

So far I have not seen reasonable behavior or any evidence they are innocence. Even their action of hiring a series of PIs not experts in the field of searching for missing persons is not indicative of innocents desperate to find their child.  

Cold Fusion approach is useless for this case.
You know, I have never found it useless in any case because it it one of the tenets of forensics- doubt and proof in balance. If people are not able or willing to understand and advance the opposing case in any such conflict of information, then they are unlikely to reach a sustainable conclusion. This is nothing to do with the McCanncase specifically, just applicable to any case where doubt and evidence need to be weighed. As many people who post here and believe that they are right, there are people posting on other forums who believe the exact opposite. If neither side is willing to weight the evidence against doubt then neither party will approach a sustainable truth.

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Post by Guest on 28.05.14 11:07

@Doug D wrote:Have to agree with RD about Bobbin's post @ 8.14.

Admin/Bobbin

Could this be given its own thread as it's worthy of a wider audience and is already disappearing into the forum sunset?

Bobbin can you copy the post and start a new thread if that is what members want. I haven't seen it yet.

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Post by bobbin on 28.05.14 11:09

candyfloss wrote:
@Doug D wrote:Have to agree with RD about Bobbin's post @ 8.14.

Admin/Bobbin

Could this be given its own thread as it's worthy of a wider audience and is already disappearing into the forum sunset?

Bobbin can you copy the post and start a new thread if that is what members want.  I haven't seen it yet.
will do...

ETA have now posted it in a new thread Occam's razor, Not Occam's razor or possibly a third option ?

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Post by Cristobell on 28.05.14 14:38

@bobbin wrote:Occam's razor, Not Occam's razor or possibly a third option ?
Something we haven't really covered in much depth.

As of the earliest reporting, did people, supporters, etc. enter the scene because they were 'unknowingly manipulated' or did they enter to 'spy'.
Rather than think of Kate and Gerry as being part of an over-reaching "master plan", were they in fact a middling couple of 'incidental' catastrophes, an event, exclusive to themselves and their immediates, but which drew the other players in (for the short term).

Initially, Kate, pretty, blonde, hewn features, frail, captured people's goodwill.
I remember an email arriving from a distant aunt, out of the blue, with the one word in capital letters, but with no explanation, "PRAY".
I wondered if she had somehow got to know of something terrible that I had done wrong, and I was about to face retribution, with the one hope only that my salvation might be elicited if I prayed hard enough and convincingly enough.

Within hours, and well before people started to get wise to what a conniving pair the McCs really were, the catholic church was at its full-membership-swing, asking everyone they knew to Pray (as it turned out, not for 'my salvation' but that the little catholic girl who had been abducted from her bed and stolen from her wonderful catholic family, would be found.)

Initially, at their first appeal, many people were taken in. This poor, poor, couple, how could something so tragic befall such an innocent, pretty (Kate) and solid but shocked (Gerry)

Others of us thought, er, not so sure here, something a bit 'not kosher'.

So all and sundry turned up to help. Good honest citizens, putting every personal consideration aside, just went out and out to find this little girl.

Then some more sundries turned up by way of 'uncle phil', uncle john and old uncle tom cobbly and all, with their cozzies, to soak up the sun, wine and local hospitality (except for the two participants of the 'granny express' whose buck-shee holidays were cut short because they started to put the cat amongst the pigeons and suffer their respective offspring to answer some ludicrously un-useful questions).

So we can see how the 'manipulating' couple got the catholic church on side, the public, the media, simply because they looked, acted and played out the 'oh so vulnerable / hurt 'me' 'us' thing'.

Then the politicians got involved. Gordon Brown, Tony Bl**r, the Home Office, the ambassadors, etc. and within seconds damage control were in there, in every shape, form and size.

Why ?
Well, the vulnerable couple had called out the P word.

Alarm is set ringing in anyone's ears, who might have a 'fear' of something untoward being 'spilled' on the now reddening carpet laid out before the sanctified couple before 'they' put their feet forward to be photo shot, smiling for the cameras, tripping their way lightly over the pavement, unified by their little hands, innocent green and yellow (good quality) wristbands, sparkling in the sunshine of the fresh Portuguese spring.

But the 'normal' P word network, looking around in angst at their known (yet unknown) counterparts were almost voicing the words "who are these people?" Which faction do they belong to, haven't heard of them on the circuit, what do they know, what do they have on us, what's their agenda, what might they 'say'.

Best action, get the damage control guys down there A.S.A.P.
Get them covered, bring them in, find out what, who, when, how, where.
Start getting a Control on what goes out in the mdia, get a handle on this before it goes viral.

And so it snowballed.
Backfilling and emergency plasters/gags were applied in haste.
The flames of potentially explosive situations were dowsed as soon as they started to show signs of 'glowing'.

Gaps appeared in narratives, weak links started to strain at the integrity and bonding strength of the whole chain.

Thorns in the flesh required a daily ritualistic session of applying the right sized tweezers and enough 'grip' to get thorns removed.
You can smell the panic. Gonçalo Amaral, that Portuguese plod is getting too close. Move him out.
What ! he's writing a book, diss him, papers, media, twist some crime records, dig out what you can, dig something, anything out if you can't find anything, just make it stick.

Back to 'manipulators'. They are as slippery as eels but more so.

I sometimes wonder if what we are looking at, is not so much a 'previously contrived, all out political agenda' but a 'local and possibly, reasonably independent one', which (purposely, to deflect attention away from the growing visual cracks in its own narrative) used the common enemy, 'the P word' and put the fear of god and discovery of their own dark, dark secrets into those who also know, that their own weaknesses are perpetually at risk of being exposed.

I believe it is possible that the McCs, arch liars and manipulators as they may appear to many, to be, had their own agenda, that Maddie was caught in the cross-fire, the McCs were caught 'plans thwarted', and good and honest citizens rushed in to help.

Those with fear in their minds leapt in to get a control on the potential disaster, the bigger disaster, (not the little disaster, the failure to get the windows jimmied as per plan, and inform uncle phil to keep her mouth shut in time) to 'spy out the land', to 'get a handle on the new-guys on the block', then 'control', 're-direct' , 'make disappear' anything that might cause risk of larger exposure.

Add to this, an ever hungry press, and in particular, the titian-haired lady and her boss, who could see a 'really good marketing ploy' with its long reaching tentacles and potentially disturbing impact in 'unwanted' quarters.

Manipulators get away with it because they can work to rules that the rest of us just simply can't understand.
They can lie without compunction.
They are committing no crime in their eyes.
It's a game of survival, they will do what they need, twist and turn to stay afloat, to win. The game is 'winning'.

It is not about justice or anything which rules the mindset of the 'non-manipulating'.

Because the 'socially responsible' person has rules, which are supposed to play out in law and in justice, it does not mean that the 'lies, twisting etc. of the manipulator will respond to those laws and say, all right gov, you've got me there.

I have been in two minds, whitewash, not whitewash, when in fact if AR is anything like the calibre of man that GA is, then dealing with slippery eels is one hell of a job and will need whatever it takes to finally hook and reel these blighters in.

I do know though that once caught, the general treatment is to nail them down firmly, to a piece of wood or a tree, before you can get a chance to remove that slippery skin and serve them up smoked and cold.

Andy Redwood (not the MET, with their soiled reputation that will take more than an age to repair) may be as much an individual as Gonçalo Amaral, working discretely behind the scenes, maybe laying a few 'false trails' to distract the eels, nevertheless he may well know what he is dealing with, and we may yet see a resolution which the 'socially minded' citizens need to see, to justify the cohesion that is needed by society to live together, to protect itself from external threats and not be dismantled from within, by usurpers, and abusers of goodwill.

Bravo Bobbin  clapping

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Re: Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

Post by Guest on 28.05.14 19:34

@lj wrote:
Gollum wrote:Am I being thick because I don't understand why the Portuguese need to be complicit to enable OG to whitewash the case, doesn't the term whitewash tie in with the Mccanns being protected by the British establishment which I think has been widely thought since 2007?  I expect one of the forum's invaluable researchers or long standing members has already written on the subject, disregarding Kate's book where she goes to great lengths to explain their departure from Portugal, iirc in late August or early September the PJ were said to be giving out hints about the change of position for the Mccanns.  If this be true then it seems unlikely that they would have been allowed to leave Portugal at that stage of the investigation but they did, very quickly, some higher authority must have sanctioned their departure and later removed Goncalo Amaral from the case.  Had they remained in Portugal IMO, without British intervention, the investigation would have continued and probably reached a favourable conclusion but as it was they escaped the clutches of the PJ to almost guaranteed freedom.

The Scotland Yard review and reinvestigation could be only to clear their names which at present remain under a cloud?

indeed, great post.

Thank you!  I don't normally post or read very often, for me the forum is a bit like trying to navigate spaghetti junction on Easter Monday.  Things seem relatively quiet lately so I thought it would be easier for me to follow the gist of discussion and post more frequently, wrong again, I still can't keep up, from one day to the next discussion on any one thread takes on a new direction so my musings get lost in the mist of time.

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Post by lj on 29.05.14 0:20

@Halfwit wrote:
@lj wrote:
@nglfi wrote:Something I've always wondered, for those firmly on the whitewash side, why do people think the Portuguese would willingly go along with this, what would be their motivation? After all , this is and will always be a Portuguese investigation. One of the things that helped me finally get off the fence was when I considered the case more from the Portuguese side,  and I honestly couldn't think of any good reasons why they in particular would re open the investigation to whitewash it.

I don't think the POrtuguese are willingly going along with it. They did not 6 yrs ago, but nobody listened.

My thoughts too.

A rhetorical question. Has the perfect crime ever been committed? My answer - maybe - possibly - probably.

We'll never know.

The intricacies of the disappearance of Madeleine seem to be unfathomable. The lies and inconsistencies are glaringly obvious and yet nothing is further forward after all these years and horrendous expense.

I heard an estimate the other day that in the US 5000 people get away with murder every year. I have no idea how fudged up that number is, just like missing children. They like to inflate all these numbers to make those many charities/non-profits and all the people that make loads of money off of them needed.

So I guess the perfect crime has been committed, probably many times.

Madeleine's disappearance was not one of them though.

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Post by lj on 29.05.14 0:23

@SixMillionQuid wrote:
@lj wrote:
@SixMillionQuid wrote:
@Snifferdog wrote:Sixmillionquid said:

Ah but this is all a trick to fool the T9 into thinking they're of no interest. They'll make a wrong move and then they'll be arrested. Watch you'll see!.

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hi sixmillionquid. Have you then changed your mind as to whether it is a whitewash or no?

My mind hasn't been changed, but I have been told there is no evidence of whitewash, and what SY is doing behind the scenes is compiling further evidence not available during the original investigation. So I'm expecting members of the T9 to be arrested soon...at some point.

So am I, I just wonder at what point we are allowed to say "told you so, told you, told you, told you so.
Hopefully before the sun turns into a supernova.

You think Andy will live that long???  bigshock 

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Post by lj on 29.05.14 0:30

@tigger wrote:
@canada12 wrote:The thing about Jimmy Savile is that he made a point of making himself big and famous - the bigger and more famous, the better. And he coupled that with a number of "good deeds" so that people put him on a pedestal. Publicly, he was famous and admired for his charitable deeds, the result being that if any of his victims did complain, they were dismissed because Savile was "untouchable".

It's as if he wrote the manual for making yourself untouchable and beyond reproach. Big yourself up. Put yourself "out there" so that everyone can see what a famous person you are. Couple that with charitable deeds and make sure your face is the one people associate with those charitable deeds.

Hmm.
Sound familiar?

- and pretend to be very close to persons of repute, or at least invited into their presence.

A friend of mine would not believe anything bad about the McCanns because the Pope had received them.

That's why i don't believe  Prince Charles and the likes of Thatcher knew anything about Savil's crimes. It's the reason people in high places stick togeter,  every nutter in the world would be knocking on their door and claiming friendship.
If Savil gives the impression he's great mates with royalty, said royalty cannot make a public statement that Savil is lying.
The charity angle is the key which opens doors for the vilest of creatures.


So true

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Post by lj on 29.05.14 0:45

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Gollum wrote:Am I being thick because I don't understand why the Portuguese need to be complicit to enable OG to whitewash the case, doesn't the term whitewash tie in with the Mccanns being protected by the British establishment which I think has been widely thought since 2007?  I expect one of the forum's invaluable researchers or long standing members has already written on the subject, disregarding Kate's book where she goes to great lengths to explain their departure from Portugal, iirc in late August or early September the PJ were said to be giving out hints about the change of position for the Mccanns.  If this be true then it seems unlikely that they would have been allowed to leave Portugal at that stage of the investigation but they did, very quickly, some higher authority must have sanctioned their departure and later removed Goncalo Amaral from the case.  Had they remained in Portugal IMO, without British intervention, the investigation would have continued and probably reached a favourable conclusion but as it was they escaped the clutches of the PJ to almost guaranteed freedom.

The Scotland Yard review and reinvestigation could be only to clear their names which at present remain under a cloud?

indeed, great post.

Thank you!  I don't normally post or read very often, for me the forum is a bit like trying to navigate spaghetti junction on Easter Monday.  Things seem relatively quiet lately so I thought it would be easier for me to follow the gist of discussion and post more frequently, wrong again, I still can't keep up, from one day to the next discussion on any one thread takes on a new direction so my musings get lost in the mist of time.

Still it's the thought that counts.

I know, I am most of the time a half day behind just because of the time difference. Then there is the huge volume of posts. So I cherry pick a bit and then post, knowing that the same thing might very well have been posted many times, but I just have not read it yet. I decided however not to worry too much about that. Everyone is free to skip posts, so they can skip mine, as I skip many too!

Just keep posting once in a while!

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