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Re: Madeleine McCann search to enter 'substantial phase' of activity

Post by Guest on 22.05.14 16:58

@Garrincha wrote:Rowley is quoted as saying: If you get any information ahead of our actions do not publish anything that may give suspects advance notice.
 

I wonder, I wonder, who is he really referring to?



I wonder too Garrincha.

I am hoping he was generally communicating with the UK press, though it was reported other countries' journalists were present I know.

I long to believe therefore that the  'suspects' he refers to are from the UK.

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Post by stillsloppingout on 22.05.14 17:00

@utahagen wrote:Stillsloppingout wrote: "...but when you have SY calling [the McCanns] by their Christian names today by there Christian names..."

Using their Christian names, as opposed to "Mr and Mrs McCann", either was just an example of decline in decorum in Europe and (even more so) in the USA, or it was a cheeky way of taunting the McCanns. I don't take referring to them as "Kate and Gerry" as an indicator that any fix is in.
Next it will be ..... " Hi  Five Gerry, Hows it goin Kate Love ".[ or " the stunning ,fragrant Kate ,with solid, dependable ,athletic ,toned,  Gerald"  ]  clapping  They should ALWAYS be referred to as Mr and Mrs McCann . 

The Police are it seems starstruck also. and more importantly it is done to show the public they are mates of the McCanns . Sadly IMO it is not for show, just the guard slipping, and the persons  [ police officer's ] real emotions showing .

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Post by Newintown on 22.05.14 17:01

@nobodythereeither wrote:
@missmar1 wrote:Imo, it is using the  Mccanns christian names during a very important public announcement about their missing daughter that is very concerning because whether or not we have a white wash advancing towards us - imo, the public will see the use of christian names as a friendly gesture from SY towards the Mccanns and therefore,  the public will keep the belief that the Mccanns are still not in SY sights as possible suspects

The update on the Met website - which I presume is an accurate representation of what was said - calls them "Mr and Mrs McCann."

I think it is the press reports which have referred to "Kate and Gerry."

http://content.met.police.uk/News/Update-on-Madeleine-McCann-disappearance/1400024170613/1257246745756

And for what it's worth, I am very firmly NOT in the whitewash camp. I am optimistic that if sufficient hard evidence is found which will stand up in court, then the perpetrator/s of this crime, whatever it turns out to be,  will be brought to book.

It's finding that evidence that is and has been the stumbling block, in my opinion.

And was one of the reasons the PJ shelved the case until something substantial came along which would warrant them re-opening it.

The McCanns know this and know they have hindered the investigation since 3rd May 2007 and are damn well not going to put themselves out to help the PJ, SY or Madeleine.  As Oscar Pistorius said in the witness box in SA to the State prosecutor "he was fighting for his life", no mention by him that he took Reeva's life in that statement.  It was all about him.

Same as the McCanns - they are fighting for their lives until the bitter end.  Everything has been about them since 3rd May 2007.

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Post by stillsloppingout on 22.05.14 17:08

@stillsloppingout wrote:
@utahagen wrote:Stillsloppingout wrote: "...but when you have SY calling [the McCanns] by their Christian names today by there Christian names..."

Using their Christian names, as opposed to "Mr and Mrs McCann", either was just an example of decline in decorum in Europe and (even more so) in the USA, or it was a cheeky way of taunting the McCanns. I don't take referring to them as "Kate and Gerry" as an indicator that any fix is in.
Next it will be ..... " Hi  Five Gerry, Hows it goin Kate Love ".[ or " the stunning ,fragrant Kate ,with solid, dependable ,athletic ,toned,  Gerald"  ]  clapping  They should ALWAYS be referred to as Mr and Mrs McCann . 

The Police are it seems starstruck also. and more importantly it is done to show the public they are mates of the McCanns . Sadly IMO it is not for show, just the guard slipping, and the persons  [ police officer's ] real emotions showing .
Ok i have read that SY referred to them as MR and Mrs , but why inform them of the progress . and why the two week plus break in activities . ? why during there high season ? .

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Post by canada12 on 22.05.14 17:08

Same as the McCanns - they are fighting for their lives until the bitter end.

As their T-shirts so eloquently put it the other day... "Never giving up...."

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Post by Guest on 22.05.14 17:12

@Newintown wrote:

The McCanns know this and know they have hindered the investigation since 3rd May 2007 and are damn well not going to put themselves out to help the PJ, SY or Madeleine.  As Oscar Pistorius said on the witness statement in SA "he was fighting for his life", no mention of him taking Reeva's life in that statement.

Same as the McCanns - they are fighting for their lives until the bitter end.




I think I remember Gerry using almost those very words after they were made arguidos (I can find the quote if necessary).

They have continually, from the beginning, portrayed themselves as the victims in this.     Poor Madeleine's fate wasn't the worry, just Me. Me, Me.

Only imo of course.

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Post by della70 on 22.05.14 17:17

Sadly I think todays new's is about have Maddie Declaired Dead , End of investigation.

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Post by tasprin on 22.05.14 17:19

@canada12 wrote:Same as the McCanns - they are fighting for their lives until the bitter end.

As their T-shirts so eloquently put it the other day... "Never giving up...."



"Never giving ourselves up..."

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Post by missmar1 on 22.05.14 17:26

I agree stillsloppingout,

The fact that SY says the Mccanns will be informed is very strange ?  

 Surely, with them being on file as not using the opportunity to clear themselves means imo, that SY, rather than keeping them informed ,should be looking at Madeleines parents possible involvement along with all the other avenues of possible scenarios as to how this little girl has just disappeared off the face of the earth ?

edited in case i was stating something that was not fact.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 22.05.14 17:26

Mr Rowley echoed Kate McCann's calls for restraint in media coverage of the case, and said: "I want to be able to go back to Kate and Gerry at some stage in the future and tell them we've got to the bottom of this, or second best is to go back to them and say we've turned over every stone and we can't get to an answer sometimes."
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DID Mr Rowley SAY that?

Not in 'official' Grange 'update' he didn't.

As he did NOT say the words 'attributed' to HIM, from WHERE and WHO did that particular 'sentence' come from?

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Post by Newintown on 22.05.14 17:28

@della70 wrote:Sadly I think todays new's is about have Maddie Declaired Dead , End of investigation.

If that happens there may be a huge backlash.  There are so many loose ends that haven't been tied up - contradictions in witness statements, contradictions in interviews given by the McCanns (all recorded for posterity), contradictions in KM's book, the findings of Eddie and Keela.   If the dogs are ignored that will start a huge precedence in future findings by blood and cadaver dogs in criminal cases and could also negate findings of dogs in cases in the past.  A huge risk for SY to take.

As cadaver odour takes over an hour to form it throws a spanner in the works of an "abductor" taking Madeleine out of the apartment in the space of 5 minutes or so.

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Post by russiandoll on 22.05.14 17:33

The  " checking " timeline will be proven to be a lie  [ if I have done my sums correctly].

 Now, why would they lie about that?

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Post by Guest on 22.05.14 17:36

@della70 wrote:Sadly I think todays new's is about have Maddie Declaired Dead , End of investigation.


That is just not possible.

If they finally declare Maddie deceased the investigation has to discover how a 3 year old child suddenly died, surely? In fact it may be the beginning of yet another investigation.  sad1 

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Post by russiandoll on 22.05.14 17:38

daffodil wrote:
@Garrincha wrote:Rowley is quoted as saying: If you get any information ahead of our actions do not publish anything that may give suspects advance notice.
 

I wonder, I wonder, who is he really referring to?



I wonder too Garrincha.

I am hoping he was generally communicating with the UK press, though it was reported other countries' journalists were present I know.

I long to believe therefore that the  'suspects' he refers to are from the UK.

 It is an intriguing request. He clearly does not want leaks from the media re the investigation and so logic would suggest that SY will not be leaking like a sieve.
 
So where would the information to the media be coming from?  

 Who else apart from the police would give the media " information"  ?

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Post by worriedmum on 22.05.14 17:40

@endgame wrote:
@gbwales wrote:

Mr Rowley did not give details about what the next phase would involve, but said officers were working through every credible line of inquiry as part of the "slog of a major investigation".

In fairness, they have pretty much exhausted all the incredible lines of inquiry...
Unfortunately they appear to be completely avoiding the most credible line of enquiry i.e the one based on evidence rather than hearsay, speculation, fantasy or the ability to sell newspapers.
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Post by della70 on 22.05.14 17:42

daffodil wrote:
@della70 wrote:Sadly I think todays new's is about have Maddie Declaired Dead , End of investigation.


That is just not possible.

If they finally declare Maddie deceased the investigation has to discover how a 3 year old child suddenly died, surely?    In fact it may be the beginning of yet another investigation.    sad1 
I have no idea , it's just all this is more than any other year and its now been 7yrs which is the legal requirement

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Post by missmar1 on 22.05.14 17:43

Hi russiondoll,


I suppose we could think about the leaks could come from various media itself if it camped out in and around Portugal hoping to pick up its own snippets of info and rush to report back to camp .

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Post by nobodythereeither on 22.05.14 17:47

@della70 wrote:
@nobodythereeither wrote:
@missmar1 wrote:Imo, it is using the  Mccanns christian names during a very important public announcement about their missing daughter that is very concerning because whether or not we have a white wash advancing towards us - imo, the public will see the use of christian names as a friendly gesture from SY towards the Mccanns and therefore,  the public will keep the belief that the Mccanns are still not in SY sights as possible suspects

The update on the Met website - which I presume is an accurate representation of what was said - calls them "Mr and Mrs McCann."

I think it is the press reports which have referred to "Kate and Gerry."

http://content.met.police.uk/News/Update-on-Madeleine-McCann-disappearance/1400024170613/1257246745756

And for what it's worth, I am very firmly NOT in the whitewash camp. I am optimistic that if sufficient hard evidence is found which will stand up in court, then the perpetrator/s of this crime, whatever it turns out to be,  will be brought to book.

It's finding that evidence that is and has been the stumbling block, in my opinion.
I saw that too , but went back and can't find it , Thought at the time reading they must be reading comments on here.

No, the reference to "Mr and Mrs McCann" has been on that page since the beginning.

It's still there.

ETA: “We will be updating Mr and Mrs McCann throughout the activity as we have been throughout the investigation.

ETA: And I don't read anything into that, either. Of course they update the parents of a missing child. Until ....

What exactly they are updating them about is, of course, a different matter ......

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Post by Newintown on 22.05.14 17:47

@russiandoll wrote:
daffodil wrote:
@Garrincha wrote:Rowley is quoted as saying: If you get any information ahead of our actions do not publish anything that may give suspects advance notice.
 

I wonder, I wonder, who is he really referring to?



I wonder too Garrincha.

I am hoping he was generally communicating with the UK press, though it was reported other countries' journalists were present I know.

I long to believe therefore that the  'suspects' he refers to are from the UK.

 It is an intriguing request. He clearly does not want leaks from the media re the investigation and so logic would suggest that SY will not be leaking like a sieve.
 
So where would the information to the media be coming from?  

 Who else apart from the police would give the media " information"  ?

re: the line in red.

All very intruiging.  As nobody outside SY and the PJ know who the suspects may be how can anyone give them advance notice, unless the press have already been tipped off and SY are warning the press not to jump the gun with any findings that may come out from the digs.

If that makes sense (I'm confused myself now).   smilie

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Post by missmar1 on 22.05.14 17:56

How can a senior met officer announce they will be updating the Mccanns as they have done throughout the activity ?  Imo, this announcement alone implies to the public that SY have no qualms or suspicions about Madeleines parents involvement whatsoever.

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Post by noddy100 on 22.05.14 17:59

I still can't believe any credicle force would spend £££ and years chasing every impossible scenario with NO evidence for any of them and yet the one scenario where there is a fair bit of evidence they won't even look at it

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Post by nobodythereeither on 22.05.14 18:02

@missmar1 wrote:How can a senior met officer announce they will be updating the Mccanns as they have done throughout the activity ?  Imo, this announcement alone implies to the public that SY have no qualms or suspicions about Madeleines parents involvement whatsoever.

What are they supposed to say, that the McCanns are prime suspects? That will ensure they get a fair trial - not!

Of course they will update the McCanns. They are the parents of a missing child. What information they give them is another matter.

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Post by Newintown on 22.05.14 18:05

@missmar1 wrote:How can a senior met officer announce they will be updating the Mccanns as they have done throughout the activity ?  Imo, this announcement alone implies to the public that SY have no qualms or suspicions about Madeleines parents involvement whatsoever.

He doesn't say what information the Met are actually updating the McCanns with though.  They may be telling them one thing and doing another or only telling them bits that are not important to the investigation.

No doubt the police kept April Jones' parents updated on their investigation but didn't tell them the whole story of what they were actually doing.

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Post by nobodythereeither on 22.05.14 18:05

@noddy100 wrote:I still can't believe any credicle force would spend £££ and years chasing every impossible scenario with NO evidence for any of them and yet the one scenario where there is a fair bit of evidence they won't even look at it

You - and none of us - have absolutely no idea what SY have spent the past years looking at.

We have absolutely no idea what evidence they have found, if any,  for any particular scenario.

We have absolutely no idea what they have looked at regarding "the one scenario where there is a fair bit of evidence."

There are too many people jumping to all sorts of conclusions about exactly what SY have and have not done.

"They won't even look at it"? FFS! Of course they are looking at it! They aren't morons, not all 36 of them or however many there are!!

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Post by utahagen on 22.05.14 18:12

Missmar1 wrote: "How can a senior Met officer announce they will be updating the McCanns...this announcement alone implies to the public that SY have no qualms or suspicions about Madeleines parents' involvement..."

Why would the Met tip their hand at this stage of the game? Why would they want to alert the McCanns if they in fact do consider them suspects?

A few years ago, a muckety-muck real estate agent was murdered in NYC. The official timeline, which was disputed by no one, had the agent's personal assistant leaving her boss's apartment at, say, 4pm; at 8pm, someone else discovered the agent dead in her apartment. Well, early in the investigation, the NYP announced, "We have interviewed the personal assistant and she is not considered a suspect." Two weeks later...they arrested that personal assistant (who was eventually convicted of murder).

My point it is: why do some posters here take every statement by SY to be literally true or as lacking nuance? It's common for the next-of-kin of missing people to be given updates on police investigations. That doesn't mean the police tell the next-of-kin everything and it does not mean the police are not closely watching the same next-of-kin to whom they are giving updates.



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