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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by MissesWillYa on Tue 13 May 2014 - 14:47

I saw a coloboma for the first time "in real life" just a few months ago. We had a tree service come to our house to prune an ailing apple tree in the backyard. One of the workers came to the door to bring me the bill when they were finished. He had sunglasses on when I let him in but he took them off in my foyer while I was getting my checkbook. He had very pale blue eyes and I noticed immediately that one of them had a very obvious black spot in it. It looked almost like the spot went straight down through the eye from the cornea inward. Does that make sense? It was not perfectly round, it was slightly oblong, like the ones in the photos earlier in this thread. He seemed a bit "off" to me, honestly. He was almost childlike, like maybe he was developmentally delayed. His speech was quite halting and he had a slight stammer. He had injured himself while working on the tree; when he came to the door, he was in the process of wrapping his finger in gauze with one of those rubber sleeve things over it. He said he had dropped the chainsaw on his hand! I'm lucky we weren't out there searching for his finger in the backyard. He said that he got hurt a lot in his work and kind of laughed about it. Anyway, this is a long story just to say that I am positive he had a coloboma, which I have really only ever read about here but the information has been enlightening. And some of his behaviors reminded me, as a former teacher of special needs children, of a developmentally-delayed person. If it's the case that coloboma can go along with a host of other problems, it makes a lot of sense to me after encountering him.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by j.rob on Tue 5 May 2015 - 23:55

@missbeetle wrote:
@canada12 wrote:Someone a long time ago remarked that the round swimming pool at the Ocean Club reminded them of Madeleine's eye, when viewed from the right angle.

What do you think?




Inspiration for Madeleine's coloboma? Or just a neat coincidence.

Spooky!

That's what gets me about this case, it is so WEIRD.

While fiddling about on the internet the other day (I googled Madeleine McCann scientific experiment, I think), I came across a nutty reference to Kate McCann and Gaucher's Disease. Tried to look into it, and got nowhere. Either it is nonsense or it has been whooshed.

I also recall a thread - in the mists of time - that said something about a CHARGE syndrome case that sounded very like MBM, father was a Sports Medicine Lecturer. Apparently every reference to it had been removed at some stage.

Gaucher's Disease is interesting, as it has a genetic link to Parkinson's Disease, and is present in a much higher rate in the Ashkenazi Jewish community. Mr Healy? Kate a carrier?

This doesn't sound particularly nutty. The coloboma thing is so weird. Why make such a big deal out of Madeleine's coloboma and then later say she didn't even have one? 

Also, this photo of Amelie, allegedly, in Kate's book shows her to have a very similar eye defect to the one that Madeleine was supposed to have had. Amelie also looks as though she has her hand on her head which would be impossible to do if she was lying at that angle. So - yet another - totally weird photo.




Information about CHARGE syndrome. Of note, perhaps, is that a major feature of this syndrome is a coloboma.

A minor characteristic is heart defects of any type but can be complex.

Gerry McCann - heart specialist. Professor Iain B Squire Professor of Cardivascular Medicine. The pair  have certainly worked together on studies. 

And according to the twitter thread attached below Gerry McCann only received one call on his mobile from 29th April until late on 3rd May during that fateful week and it was from Professor Iain Squire. No idea as to the veracity of this claim but it is certainly intriguing.


http://www.chargesyndrome.org/about-charge.asp

http://www.zoominfo.com/p/Iain-Squire/370073507

http://www2.le.ac.uk/departments/cardiovascular-sciences/people/mccann

http://www.leicestershirediabetes.org.uk/747.html

https://twitter.com/kikoratton

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by Guest on Wed 6 May 2015 - 0:27

Is that Amelie in the photo?  Looks like Madeleine to me.  J.rob that's a bobble in her hair not a hand.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by lj on Wed 6 May 2015 - 0:29

j.rob the photo is from Madeleine. 

This coloboma thing is just one of the many Mclies, one way or the other. There is no way a decent doctor would not know what a coloboma is. I have not a lot of respect for their qualities as a doctor, but this was likely diagnosed at birth. The whole thing about making a big deal out of it, and then trying to say it was just merely a fleck has to do with the fact they were warned not to use it, because they might sign Madeleine's death contract because of it. 
The denial later on was part of the "she has come to no harm" campaign.

Like the front/back door, open/closed curtains you can only have it one way. So they were lying on one of those versions.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by Rufus T on Wed 6 May 2015 - 0:31

j.rob, the photo you have posted has always been said to be of Madeleine, do you have a reason for believing it to be her sister?

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by j.rob on Wed 6 May 2015 - 1:36

Ladyinred wrote:Is that Amelie in the photo?  Looks like Madeleine to me.  J.rob that's a bobble in her hair not a hand.

The caption on the page states that the child in the below left photo is Amelie.

A very odd looking bobble. It looks like three small podgy fingers but I suppose it could be a bobble. A rather large one.

But why the coloboma?

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by j.rob on Wed 6 May 2015 - 1:57

@Rufus T wrote:j.rob, the photo you have posted has always been said to be of Madeleine, do you have a reason for believing it to be her sister?

The caption is very ambiguous. There are three photos on the page. The top one is Kate and Gerry dressed up with what looks like Madeleine at about one year old. Then there is a small photo inset to the left of the page which again looks like Madeleine at about a year old. She is in a baby swing with a bib. Then the bottom photo shows Kate with an older looking child.

The caption in the centre of the page states: "The arrival of Madeleine, followed by Sean and Amelie (below left), made our lives complete."

So I assumed that the child shown below left was Amelie. Otherwise why not make it clear that all the photos on the page are Madeleine by stating something like: "The arrival of Madeleine (shown here) followed by Sean and Amelie made our lives complete.

Why place (below left) after the mention of Sean and Amelie? 

It's either a very odd mistake, or deliberate confusion and/or the usual TM game playing.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by BlueBag on Wed 6 May 2015 - 2:11

@j.rob wrote:
@Rufus T wrote:j.rob, the photo you have posted has always been said to be of Madeleine, do you have a reason for believing it to be her sister?

The caption is very ambiguous. There are three photos on the page. The top one is Kate and Gerry dressed up with what looks like Madeleine at about one year old. Then there is a small photo inset to the left of the page which again looks like Madeleine at about a year old. She is in a baby swing with a bib. Then the bottom photo shows Kate with an older looking child.

The caption in the centre of the page states: "The arrival of Madeleine, followed by Sean and Amelie (below left), made our lives complete."

So I assumed that the child shown below left was Amelie. Otherwise why not make it clear that all the photos on the page are Madeleine by stating something like: "The arrival of Madeleine (shown here) followed by Sean and Amelie made our lives complete.

Why place (below left) after the mention of Sean and Amelie? 

It's either a very odd mistake, or deliberate confusion and/or the usual TM game playing.

There is no "usual TM game playing" with photos except for the last photo (we've done that subject to death).

The girl in question is Madeleine... The girl in the top picture is Madeleine and below left of that picture is Amelie.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by jeanmonroe on Wed 6 May 2015 - 2:52

GM on Grimwatch: "She came out ALMOST perfect"

memo to GM: 'she' is called Madeleine!

Verbatim:

GERRY MCCANN: "She came out screaming. She was a McCann. There's no doubt about that. She was very loud. But she came out almost perfectly formed. There's really, she was instantly beautiful."
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Lots of 'she's' (5) there, Gerry!

'SHE' is called Madeleine!

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by Guest on Wed 6 May 2015 - 3:14

@jeanmonroe wrote:GM on Grimwatch: "She came out ALMOST perfect"

memo to GM: 'she' is called Madeleine!

Verbatim:

GERRY MCCANN: "She came out screaming. She was a McCann. There's no doubt about that. She was very loud. But she came out almost perfectly formed. There's really, she was instantly beautiful."
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Lots of 'she's' (5) there, Gerry!

'SHE' is called Madeleine!
Another curiosity: almost perfect.  Wonder what imperfections MBM had at birth.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by j.rob on Wed 6 May 2015 - 3:27

There is no "usual TM game playing" with photos except for the last photo (we've done that subject to death).

The girl in question is Madeleine... The girl in the top picture is Madeleine and below left of that picture is Amelie.


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How do you know there is no TM game-playing with photos?


There is a lot of TM game playing with photos and elsewhere as far as I am concerned. The child in the top photo looks the same as the child in the small inset photo to the left. The only difference is that the hair colour of the child the top photo is darker.


The child in the bottom left photo looks different, imo.


I totally disagree about the photos. Most of the ones in the book are strange and the 'happy family' photos are composites. I presume to give the illusion of a happy family life which did not, imo, exist.


As for the last photo it is hugely important because if it is not what it purports to be in any way at all then that suggests there was a need to show the family were happy and together on Thursday. When that was not the case.


In any event, I still find the caption on that page strangely ambiguous. Perhaps to create confusion over exactly what Madeleine looked like and to create confusion about what the twins looked like too.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by lj on Wed 6 May 2015 - 4:20

@j.rob wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:Is that Amelie in the photo?  Looks like Madeleine to me.  J.rob that's a bobble in her hair not a hand.

The caption on the page states that the child in the below left photo is Amelie.

A very odd looking bobble. It looks like three small podgy fingers but I suppose it could be a bobble. A rather large one.

But why the coloboma?
Which page j.rob?

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by BlueBag on Wed 6 May 2015 - 4:55

@j.rob wrote:
@Rufus T wrote:j.rob, the photo you have posted has always been said to be of Madeleine, do you have a reason for believing it to be her sister?

The caption is very ambiguous. 
No it isn't.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by BlueBag on Wed 6 May 2015 - 4:58

@j.rob wrote:
How do you know there is no TM game-playing with photos?

Because we did all that - pool photos, birthday party photos, mantelpiece photos... all BS except the "last photo".


There is a lot of TM game playing with photos and elsewhere as far as I am concerned. 

That's your opinion... we've done all that... you're wrong. 

The "last photo"... that's the one.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by j.rob on Wed 6 May 2015 - 7:03

@BlueBag wrote:
@j.rob wrote:
@Rufus T wrote:j.rob, the photo you have posted has always been said to be of Madeleine, do you have a reason for believing it to be her sister?

The caption is very ambiguous. 
No it isn't.

Yes it is. It is ambiguous. Can't really see how you can dispute this but I presume you want to pick a fight. Yawn!

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by j.rob on Wed 6 May 2015 - 7:04

@BlueBag wrote:
@j.rob wrote:
How do you know there is no TM game-playing with photos?

Because we did all that - pool photos, birthday party photos, mantelpiece photos... all BS except the "last photo".


There is a lot of TM game playing with photos and elsewhere as far as I am concerned. 

That's your opinion... we've done all that... you're wrong. 

The "last photo"... that's the one.

I disagree. You are wrong.

Who exactly is "we"? And no, it hasn't all been "done". As this particular ambiguous caption proves.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by j.rob on Wed 6 May 2015 - 7:07

@lj wrote:
@j.rob wrote:
Ladyinred wrote:Is that Amelie in the photo?  Looks like Madeleine to me.  J.rob that's a bobble in her hair not a hand.

The caption on the page states that the child in the below left photo is Amelie.

A very odd looking bobble. It looks like three small podgy fingers but I suppose it could be a bobble. A rather large one.

But why the coloboma?
Which page j.rob?

It doesn't have a page number. It is within a cluster of photo pages in the book. Not even sure whereabouts in the book as the photo pages have become loose.

But I guarantee that the caption is ambiguous. I do not believe this is a simple mistake. It is either deliberately ambiguous or done to create confusion.

Confusion is good according to Gerry McCann.

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Confusion is good...?

Post by missbeetle on Wed 6 May 2015 - 8:08

Thank you for reviving this interesting thread, J.Rob -

the Ocean Club small pool/eye correlation's an interesting one.

Viewed from an oblique angle, the big pool at the Ocean Club

becomes an interesting shape : a pentagon?




I've had a look at the original 'snuggled up with Madeleine' picture in The Sun :



I can't figure out that sofa at all...!

What is that headrest thing to the right?


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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by joyce1938 on Wed 6 May 2015 - 8:30

I think the cushion that sits loosely and is back of settee cushion, and a part of it has gone down so only small corner is visual ,I have seen this happen to another settee at my sons house. joyce1938

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by j.rob on Wed 6 May 2015 - 8:40

@missbeetle wrote:Thank you for reviving this interesting thread, J.Rob -

the Ocean Club small pool/eye correlation's an interesting one.

Viewed from an oblique angle, the big pool at the Ocean Club

becomes an interesting shape : a pentagon?




I've had a look at the original 'snuggled up with Madeleine' picture in The Sun :



I can't figure out that sofa at all...!

What is that headrest thing to the right?


My thoughts only.

Gosh - don't know about the pentagon although I do believe that this media abduction hoax has the Blair (Bush) Murdoch dirty hands all over it. Fake stories to cover dirty wars.

But I agree about the sofa.....what an odd looking sofa. And Kate's arm seems to go on for ever. Plus Madeleine (or Amelie or whoever it is) has something on her head that looks like three podgy child's fingers. 

Yes - the usual TM madness.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by canada12 on Wed 6 May 2015 - 8:49

@j.rob wrote:





Gosh - don't know about the pentagon although I do believe that this media abduction hoax has the Blair (Bush) Murdoch dirty hands all over it. Fake stories to cover dirty wars.

But I agree about the sofa.....what an odd looking sofa. And Kate's arm seems to go on for ever. Plus Madeleine (or Amelie or whoever it is) has something on her head that looks like three podgy child's fingers. 

Yes - the usual TM madness.
I think what's in Madeleine's hair is Madeleine's own fingers. Her left arm is bent behind her and up.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by Amy Dean on Wed 6 May 2015 - 9:14

It could be but what is that under her right hand? I don't mean the toy.

Her neck maybe but it's not the same colour as the part above her hand.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by canada12 on Wed 6 May 2015 - 10:19

@Amy Dean wrote:It could be but what is that under her right hand? I don't mean the toy.

Her neck maybe but it's not the same colour as the part above her hand.
It's the rest of her hand. Her palm is down and bent, and you're seeing the part of her hand where her thumb is, and the fatty part of her hand that goes into the palm.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by Nina on Wed 6 May 2015 - 10:21

Poor baby. She is tired, sucking on a dummy and twiddling her hair whilst having a much-needed cuddle.
Let us not begrudge her that in her too short life by trying to make something  more of it.

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Re: Coloboma - not Madeleine

Post by joyce1938 on Wed 6 May 2015 - 18:12

Your right nina ,,lets just take it as it is ,we have done so much about photos for long time and must just let some of it lie ,as we seemed to have been looking for problems ,where I think someone has had advice that most of the photos that we were going over with fine tooth comb,were not photoshopped . can anyone else confirm please joyce1938

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