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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Guest on 05.05.14 12:38

@nglfi wrote:Haha yes it seems we posted at exactly the same time! I've also thought about the graveyard option,  and you're right it renders the dogs useless. Could the PJ really go round exhuming every grave to find her? It'd be an outrage but a necessary one, they'd have to be absolutely sure about it. The thing that confuses me is that the scenic was hired 3 weeks after the event, so where was the body in the meantime? Perhaps it's this temporary storage place they're looking for?
A permanent resting place in the chuch/graveyard would overlook the Scenic evidence unless the scent in the car was transposed from items that came from a body, e.g., clothes or the blue bag, perhaps. However, the smell was bad in the car, wasn't it, necessitating the permanence of the open boot, so my thoughts are that the body itself must have been present there at some point.

The other option is that the body was transported from elsewhere (freezer storage?) back to PDL - the McCanns concluding after weeks of searching for the perfect place that that place was, after all, the church or graveyard. I'm guessing Father Pacheco had gone by then and Father Hubbard was in situ.

The church could alternatively indeed have been (and is likely to have been) the temporary resting place while the final destination was found. If this is the case Gerry's smug "find the body and prove we killed her" still leads me to conclude the bogs as being one of the few options, although yes, weighted at the bottom of the sea would be another.

All awful speculation and opinion, as ever.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by MRNOODLES on 05.05.14 12:58

@jeanmonroe wrote:I reckon that David Payne has now TOLD the Met team just WHAT the 'few things' he KNOWS and that he 'considers' are 'relevent and pertinent to establish the material truth' about a 3 years old child's 'disappearance'

Remember this?

"Gerry went out again at 4:00AM, 4th May 2007, with his friend David Payne"

DP ROG: David Payne says he did NOT partake in 'any searches' on 4th May 2007.

(oh yeah? what about the one with his mate Gerry at 4:00AM, just the two of them)

I think i remember a bit of 'over egging' about this 'search'

In Kate's bewk i think. Something like 'I asked Gerry to go out again'

Gerry McCann asked an GNR officer if the officer knew where a church was.

The devout catholics, the McCanns have been in PDL for SIX days and Gerry's trying to make out he dosen't know where the sea front, or any other, church is.

Date: 2007/05/16 Hours: 15h25m

Rui Segio Lopes Silva

Occupation: GNR Officer

He only had direct contact with the couple and their friends at about 04.00 when Gerry McCann approached the GNR group of which he was a member to ask whether there was a church close by. He replied to him in English, giving the directions to a nearby church.
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Surprise surprise!

"Kate and Gerry will not be going to Portugal but will be kept updated throughout"

BECAUSE, NOW THE PJ INVESTIGATION IS 'LIVE' THEY CAN BOTH BE ARGUIDOED THE INSTANT THEY SET FOOT ON PORTUGUESE SOIL!.

AND BE 'RE-QUESTIONED'

SOMETHING THE PJ WANTED TO DO, BEFORE THE MCCANNS 'DID A RUNNER'

F) From what was obtained until now, everything points out that the McCann, as self-defence, didn't want to deliver immediately and voluntarily the cadaver, existing a strong possibility that the same was transported from the initial place of deposition. This situation is susceptible to raise questions about the circumstances under which the death of the minor occurred.

So we suggest that the 'Autos' be sent to the EX.mo Sr. Procurador Geral da R'ublica [General Attorney], in order to:

G) NEW INTERROGATION OF THE AGUIDOS KATE AND GERRY MCCANN:

CONCLUSION
On the tenth of September, two thousand and seven

Chief Inspector

Tavares de Almeida

Thinking out loud.

What's the chances of the the result of the libel trial coming in the middle of all this (If there's any truth in it)?

Then you'll have the situation of the Portuguese saying 'Are you coming over or not? What are you scared of if you're innocent'

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Radio Interview in Ireland on Newstalk about digging

Post by Enid O'Dowd on 05.05.14 13:07

This morning on Newstalk Radio Pat Kenny, a leading current affairs broadcaster here in Ireland, interviewed Russell Myers from the Daily Mirror, about the proposal to start digging for Madeleine.

You can listen to this by googling Newstalk - Pat Kenny Show - Listen Back to today's show - Part I - it starts at 36 min.

I would be interested to hear what members think about this interview.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by maebee on 05.05.14 13:12

Thanks for this Enid. Will have a listen later. 

Just got this notification on FB: 

https://www.facebook.com/diggingformadeleinmccann?fref=ts

What a horribly named page Sad


. wrote:

Digging for Madeleine McCann
about an hour ago


NOTICE : This morning at 10am, Stephen D. Birch received a registered letter containing papers from Portugals Ministerio da Justica in which both the state and Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat and Jenifer Na Murat are suing Stephen for tresspassing and the state is suing Stephen for unlawfully conducting an investigation under article 57 & 58 section 2,3 and 4 of the penal act... (In July 2012, Stephen entered Robert Murats property and discovered what he believes to be Madeleine McCann remains buried beneath Roberts Murats rear gravel driveway)

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by noddy100 on 05.05.14 13:33

@maebee wrote:Thanks for this Enid. Will have a listen later. 

Just got this notification on FB: 

https://www.facebook.com/diggingformadeleinmccann?fref=ts

What a horribly named page Sad


. wrote:

Digging for Madeleine McCann
about an hour ago


NOTICE : This morning at 10am, Stephen D. Birch received a registered letter containing papers from Portugals Ministerio da Justica in which both the state and Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat and Jenifer Na Murat are suing Stephen for tresspassing and the state is suing Stephen for unlawfully conducting an investigation under article 57 & 58 section 2,3 and 4 of the penal act... (In July 2012, Stephen entered Robert Murats property and discovered what he believes to be Madeleine McCann remains buried beneath Roberts Murats rear gravel driveway)
Just listening Thank you

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by noddy100 on 05.05.14 13:41

@noddy100 wrote:
@maebee wrote:Thanks for this Enid. Will have a listen later. 

Just got this notification on FB: 

https://www.facebook.com/diggingformadeleinmccann?fref=ts

What a horribly named page Sad


. wrote:

Digging for Madeleine McCann
about an hour ago


NOTICE : This morning at 10am, Stephen D. Birch received a registered letter containing papers from Portugals Ministerio da Justica in which both the state and Robert James Queriol Eveleigh Murat and Jenifer Na Murat are suing Stephen for tresspassing and the state is suing Stephen for unlawfully conducting an investigation under article 57 & 58 section 2,3 and 4 of the penal act... (In July 2012, Stephen entered Robert Murats property and discovered what he believes to be Madeleine McCann remains buried beneath Roberts Murats rear gravel driveway)
Just listening Thank you
Seems to be saying going over old Portuguese facts 3 potential sites grasslands and beach and road
Using radar and magnetic imaging
Prime suspect Euclides more portuguese suspect than SY who think he is a burglar
Will start within 2 weeks
 Basically implying all sites should have been dug at the time and McCanns dismayed at this

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Pat Brown - May 5, 2014

Post by Guest on 05.05.14 13:45

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/

Hey, Gerry, Have You Still Got That Shovel for Us to Borrow?
Bollux Media has just learned that DCI Andy Redwood is heading to Praia da Luz to dig up the town and countryside in an effort to find Madeleine who he recently admitted might be dead.

BM: Mr. Redwood, are you now convinced Maddie is no longer alive? That she isn't living happily with a family somewhere, gypsy or otherwise?

AR: ::snorts::Well, come on, we might be daft here at Scotland Yard but we never really believed the child was living the good life somewhere out there.

BM: And you no longer think she could be held in a sex ring?

AR: Well, I guess that could be a theory but we have to wrap this case up....it's been three years already and we have come up with squat...we gotta solve it somehow.

BM: That makes sense. So are you now following the evidence trail? The fact that the cadaver dogs hit in the apartment and in the McCanns hire car and that Madeleine must have died on May 3rd and been taken off and buried?

AR: Hell, no! Good Lord, what an insane idea! For three years we have ignored all the physical and behavioral evidence; we aren't going to start focusing on that now.

BM: Then why are you going to dig up Praia da Luz?


AR: Well, if we want to close this case in the near future, that child needs to be dead and buried. We would have to use the theory of a local pedophile and such a person wouldn't keep a child alive more than a few hours, so that would make Madeleine dead and buried nearby the fellow's house. So, we will focus on the area.

BM. Criminal Profiler Pat Brown has a theory that the cadaver dog evidence is valid and that would mean Maddie's body was moved from Praia da Luz to some other location by Gerry McCann. She believes Maddie might well be buried in an desolate area called Monte do Jose Mestre, the area just west of Praia da Luz where Gerry's phone pinged a number of times. In fact, she went to Portugal herself to analyze the case in person and she located this area right off the main road which is isolated enough to be able to bury a body without anyone noticing. She wrote a detailed description of her findings here.

AR: I don't care what that woman thinks: she's a nutter. We have no intention of reviewing the evidence like she did. We will not be visiting that location. We will just wander around Praia da Luz beaches and road shoulders with our radar machines.

BM: So, you aren't actually going to dig?

AR: Well, Gerry gave us his shovel, but I have heard the residents of Praia da Luz and those pesky local government officials aren't keen on us making a lot of holes in the area, so we may not have a chance to put it to use. We will just go through the motions of looking and then declare Maddie was probably dumped in the ocean.

BM: Okay, well, thanks, Mr. Redwood, for the update. I know you have said that Scotland Yard isn't going to give a running commentary on an open investigation or review or whatever it is, but we appreciate you giving us this interview and I am sure all the other British media outlets appreciate your openness in this matter as well.

AR: Most welcome.

This responsible and accurate report was brought to you by Bollux Media and

Criminal Profiler Pat Brown

May 5, 2014

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by jeanmonroe on 05.05.14 13:48

http://www.newstalk.ie/player/listen_back/13240/9630/05th_May_2014_-_The_Pat_Kenny_Show_Part_1

You HAVE to listen to this!

Part 1.

36:20 mins onwards (about 7 mins).

PK talking to Mirror journo in PDL.

It was the dead black tractor driver that 'done' it!

So much for the MET's 'team' pot bellied, stinky fella, 'suspect'

And ALL the 'arrests' they were/are about to make!

PK "when will the British investigating team start their digging?"

Journo: "i think we're looking at the next two weeks (from today 5th May 2014).....................best case scenario we're looking at two weeks for Met Police officers to be on the ground and start their excavation"

eta: I've 'recorded' it on my dictaphone thingy, can some techie manage to 'record' and post?

Thanks, in advance, if it's possible.

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Post by MarleneP on 05.05.14 14:27

For me, it all belongs to whitewash!
McCanns have already announced that the Portuguese work too little with the British. Each message about the "digging" has a different meaning. In German-language newspapers all the info from the last two weeks are mixed. There are no Source citations. After two weeks, they will say, the Portuguese have hampered the resolution of the case.

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Post by Woofer on 05.05.14 14:40

Just listened to the Pat Kenny slot at
http://newstalk.ie/player/shows/The_Pat_Kenny_Show/13240/9630/05th_May_2014_-_The_Pat_Kenny_Show_Part_1

Interviewing Russell Myers of the Daily Mirror.  Russell Myers a pro McCann obviously - casting accusations against the PJ and not seeming to believe Euclides Monteiro`s widow.  Said digging will commence in the next fortnight in 2 areas very close to apartment 5A, the beach, 2 areas of grassland and also said there was a road re-laid in 2007 that would be examined using latest ground radar technology.  Most definitely a follower of the McCann abduction story - though I wouldn`t say Pat Kenny was.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Hicks on 05.05.14 14:42

I have to say that I'm a little excited by this news. IMO SY would not go to PDL and randomly start digging up areas around the OC, especially at the start of the holiday season, just  for the hell of it, they could have done it much earlier.
I wonder if the Crimewatch appeal really did bring forward some new leads. There must have been outside help or perhaps someone in the McCann's inner circle has given new info. I thought Kate looked a bit rattled when she was interviewed by Fiona Bruce.

Smithman  was heading to the beach wasn't he!

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Cristobell on 05.05.14 14:58

@Hicks wrote:I have to say that I'm a little excited by this news. IMO SY would not go to PDL and randomly start digging up areas around the OC, especially at the start of the holiday season, just  for the hell of it, they could have done it much earlier.
I wonder if the Crimewatch appeal really did bring forward some new leads. There must have been outside help or perhaps someone in the McCann's inner circle has given new info. I thought Kate looked a bit rattled when she was interviewed by Fiona Bruce.

Smithman  was heading to the beach wasn't he!
Yes, I think it is a major development too.  Digging is digging and there really isn't way it can be spun.  They can hardly say they are looking for a lost earring or a contact lens. As someone said earlier, the areas they are going to dig must have been specifically pointed out to them by someone, and it must be someone credible as obtaining permission to commence major landworks in a foreign country would not be easy to come by.

This is being reported as SY wanting to commence digging, but this doesn't make much sense to me.  Isn't it far more likely that the PJ would start digging? It could be that SY (the UK) are financing the dig and its being reported as their operation?  As Gerry pointed out the other day, from a cost perspective, the PJ would be better off working with SY.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by noddy100 on 05.05.14 15:08

@Cristobell wrote:
@Hicks wrote:I have to say that I'm a little excited by this news. IMO SY would not go to PDL and randomly start digging up areas around the OC, especially at the start of the holiday season, just  for the hell of it, they could have done it much earlier.
I wonder if the Crimewatch appeal really did bring forward some new leads. There must have been outside help or perhaps someone in the McCann's inner circle has given new info. I thought Kate looked a bit rattled when she was interviewed by Fiona Bruce.

Smithman  was heading to the beach wasn't he!
Yes, I think it is a major development too.  Digging is digging and there really isn't way it can be spun.  They can hardly say they are looking for a lost earring or a contact lens. As someone said earlier, the areas they are going to dig must have been specifically pointed out to them by someone, and it must be someone credible as obtaining permission to commence major landworks in a foreign country would not be easy to come by.

This is being reported as SY wanting to commence digging, but this doesn't make much sense to me.  Isn't it far more likely that the PJ would start digging? It could be that SY (the UK) are financing the dig and its being reported as their operation?  As Gerry pointed out the other day, from a cost perspective, the PJ would be better off working with SY.
Could they spin this and pin it on Tractorman?
I think they will although that doesn't explain why tractorman is PJ prime suspect but not SY's?

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Nereid on 05.05.14 15:09

@jeanmonroe wrote:

eta: I've 'recorded' it on my dictaphone thingy, can some techie manage to 'record' and post?

Thanks, in advance, if it's possible.

Thanks Enid for finding this, very interesting.

A quick transcript:


PAT KENNY: It is 7 years since 3 year old Madeleine McCann disappeared in the Portuguese resort of Praia da Luz. If she is alive she is a very different looking 10 year old but it looks as though the British investigating Police do not believe in such a likelihood because it is reported in today’s Mirror that they will be launching extensive digs around the resort in the hopes of recovering her body. The Mirror’s Russell Myers joins me now from Praia da Luz. Russell, good morning.

RUSSELL MYERS: Good morning Pat.

PAT KENNY: Now, The English police, the British police are they acting on any specific information?

RUSSELL MYERS: Well it seems that the investigation carried out by the Met police, Operation Grange which is going over a lot of the evidence that the Portuguese police had been examining since 2007. This isn’t actually new evidence that has been uncovered with the new investigation but it’s certainly a new revisiting of the old facts in case files from the Portuguese police.

PAT KENNY: Now, at the time there were searches I suppose in the believe that Madeleine may be still alive or if she had been killed that an opportunistic killer would dispose of her body somewhere adjacent to the scene of the abduction. Why were those searches not as thorough and as extensive as it would appear were needed at the time?

RUSSELL MYERS: I think this is been a problem with the Portuguese investigation in terms of how the British have seen how the Portuguese investigation was carried out in the first instance and I think to entirely satisfy themselves they want to go over old ground and to look at these excavation sites or potential sites that were earmarked in the first instance but potentially not carried out, so by British Police applying to Portuguese police to come out here and start excavating certain sites in and around Praia da Luz and the beach and the area where Madeleine went missing I think that they will try and find their own answers to questions that should have, you know, been answered a long time ago.

PAT KENNY: Now how much waste ground, how much potential is there for digging in places that people would not be normally visiting for example in Portugal a lot of the time fields are covered in orange tree plants and they would be tended regularly by the farmers, so what sort of areas are there to be explored?

RUSSELL MYERS: I think specifically they’re looking at 3 areas and this is what we are hearing in today’s story, looking 3 areas which are planned for major excavation. Now these were 2 areas very close to the apartment at the Ocean Club where Madeleine and her parents had been staying in 2007. There’s also an area of beach that has been actually reworked since 2004. Also there is two main areas of grassland very nearby and a road that has been relayed in 2007 very very soon after Madeleine went missing. So these are the areas that they want to revisit and essentially the British police think that Portuguese Police authorities hadn’t paid enough attention to these areas and that is why they want to go back to them.

PAT KENNY: Now, it is 7 years since she disappeared, technology moves on. Is there any specific equipment that is new that will aid them in their investigations?

RUSSELL MYERS: Certainly, I think that, you know that Metropolitan Police will employ a world renowned forensic expert with this investigation. I think they will be using radar equipment. We heard that there is a certain magnetic imaging device that they will use within these excavation techniques that will allow them to ............... map the area and search for human bones if they are indeed buried underground.

PAT KENNY: Now, what about the McCann family, Gerry and Kate McCann, are they dismayed by this, because this would be, if you like, an indication that the Met believe that Madeleine is definitely dead or do they continue to hope?

RUSSELL MYERS: Well, indeed, I mean Kate and Gerry have never given up hope that Madeleine is still alive. They’ve had a tireless campaign now for 7 years, where they were seen at the weekend at their local church in Leicestershire and you know, privately they are saying that although they would always prepare themselves for the worst in these events they still haven’t given up hope of finding Madeleine alive.

PAT KENNY: Now, there is a suspect who’s been named and he was a suspect in a number of attacks on people in the area from about 2004 on.

RUSSELL MYERS: Yes, this is a local guy called Euclides Monteiro and he was a former worker at the Ocean Club apartments where the McCanns had been staying. Now Euclides was actually killed in a tractor accident in 2009 but over the weekend it’s emerged that he was actually interviewed in 2008, a year before his death, relating to a spate of sex attacks on young British girls connected with a string of burglaries in the area. Portuguese police have always said, you know, recently that he is the main suspect, not only in the string of 18 sex attacks and burglaries across the Algarve but indeed that they believe that he is one of the main suspects in the Madeleine McCann investigation. From what we’re hearing I don’t think the Met Police really are going along with that line of enquiry. It seems that he may be a suspect connected to certain string of burglaries in the area but it still has yet to be seen whether he is actually the main suspect in Madeleine....

PAT KENNY: His widow has been spoken to by various journalists and her contention is that he was questioned yes, but there was never any DNA evidence to link him with any of these crimes, so in death I suppose you could say which you like you cannot libel the dead but the finger has been pointed at him, probably wrongly according to her.

RUSSELL MYERS: Well, essentially we will never know whether he was a, no one’s had a confession and it’s really his widow’s word against the police and until the police actually come out publicly and state that he is the main suspect in their investigation I think a lot is left to hearsay and of course his widow defends his name when he’s not here.

PAT KENNY: When will the British investigating team start their digging?

RUSSELL MYERS: Well I should think we’re looking at the next 2 weeks. Obviously, it’s a lengthy process in Portugal. The Met Police had to put in several letters asking to actually come over here. The problem with the Portuguese investigation is that they really wanted to be allowed to get on with their own ........ but obviously the McCanns have been very frustrated about the lack of movement within the investigation so I think best case scenario we’re looking at 2 weeks  for Met Police officers to be on the ground and start their excavation.

PAT KENNY: And the final question really relates to the Portuguese authorities in this regard. I mean they have the go ahead now to do it, but we’re coming into high season, holiday season, it’s probably the last thing that the Portuguese tourism authorities really want is British police scratching around looking for the body of a dead tourist child.

RUSSELL MYERS: Undoubtedly I think you’ll bring some unwanted attention back to the resort, it’s a  very picturesque, pretty resort at high season and I think the British police wanted to avoid that and that’s why several months ago they’ve been asking to carry out these digs and because the Portuguese authorities have really dragged their heels over it that they’re probably the ones to blame as to how long it’s actually taken.

PAT KENNY: Alright, well, Russell Myers of the Daily Mirror, thank you very much for joining us from Praia da Luz.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Enid O'Dowd on 05.05.14 15:10

@Woofer wrote:Just listened to the Pat Kenny slot at
http://newstalk.ie/player/shows/The_Pat_Kenny_Show/13240/9630/05th_May_2014_-_The_Pat_Kenny_Show_Part_1

Interviewing Russell Myers of the Daily Mirror.  Russell Myers a pro McCann obviously - casting accusations against the PJ and not seeming to believe Euclides Monteiro`s widow.  Said digging will commence in the next fortnight in 2 areas very close to apartment 5A, the beach, 2 areas of grassland and also said there was a road re-laid in 2007 that would be examined using latest ground radar technology.  Most definitely a follower of the McCann abduction story - though I wouldn`t say Pat Kenny was.

I had to calm down after listening to this.

I was disappointed that Pat Kenny a very experienced journalist/presenter used the word 'abduction' rather than disappearance. He let Mr Myers get away with unsubstantiated comments about the lack of thoroughness of the Portuguese police from the start and then did not challenge him when he said the Portuguese police had been dragging their heels re permission to dig and now the main tourist season approached.

Anyone who would like to enlighten Mr Myers about the case can contact him at russell.myers@mirror.co.uk

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Hicks on 05.05.14 15:14

@Cristobell wrote:
@Hicks wrote:I have to say that I'm a little excited by this news. IMO SY would not go to PDL and randomly start digging up areas around the OC, especially at the start of the holiday season, just  for the hell of it, they could have done it much earlier.
I wonder if the Crimewatch appeal really did bring forward some new leads. There must have been outside help or perhaps someone in the McCann's inner circle has given new info. I thought Kate looked a bit rattled when she was interviewed by Fiona Bruce.

Smithman  was heading to the beach wasn't he!
Yes, I think it is a major development too.  Digging is digging and there really isn't way it can be spun.  They can hardly say they are looking for a lost earring or a contact lens. As someone said earlier, the areas they are going to dig must have been specifically pointed out to them by someone, and it must be someone credible as obtaining permission to commence major landworks in a foreign country would not be easy to come by.

This is being reported as SY wanting to commence digging, but this doesn't make much sense to me.  Isn't it far more likely that the PJ would start digging? It could be that SY (the UK) are financing the dig and its being reported as their operation?  As Gerry pointed out the other day, from a cost perspective, the PJ would be better off working with SY.
SY will be taking out experts using the latest in ground radar, so pretty high tech stuff that maybe is not available in  Portugal.  
I believe that Madeleine was taken out to sea by dingy or small boat, however, there must be objects still remaining yet to be found. Off the top of my head......toothbrush, Madeleine's clothes, pink blanket , blue sports bag, maybe the clothes GM was wearing that night.

I would bet that the PJ and SY have been working very closely together behind the scenes. The admission by SY that there is perhaps a body to be found highlights this.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by TheTruthWillOut on 05.05.14 15:25

Listening to that the tabloid press don't seem to have a clue what SY/PJ are up to and are coming across as desperate for info. Just like Mr and Mrs. Maybe explains all these ridiculous front page headlines the last few months.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by mouse on 05.05.14 15:28

After reading the latest  - well, I gotta say that I'm back to where I was before. All hopes dashed that this is a movement in the right direction. Looks to me from this latest report that they (I believe that means SY & MCs) are putting this story out about the dig - knowing full well that they will not be permitted to do so - thereby making it appear that the nasty PJ is hindering SY's investigation. 

The McCanns and their frustration again!!!! Like they are leading this investigation??? They're really starting to get my blood pressure up! That and the fact that SY do not come out and say/confirm that it is their true intention to dig. Please, you would think that SY with all the resources and media spotlight intervews they have done of late - would not want to confuse the public with untrue info....Would they?....

People of Portugal - I really feel for you.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Newintown on 05.05.14 15:32

@Enid O'Dowd wrote:
@Woofer wrote:Just listened to the Pat Kenny slot at
http://newstalk.ie/player/shows/The_Pat_Kenny_Show/13240/9630/05th_May_2014_-_The_Pat_Kenny_Show_Part_1

Interviewing Russell Myers of the Daily Mirror.  Russell Myers a pro McCann obviously - casting accusations against the PJ and not seeming to believe Euclides Monteiro`s widow.  Said digging will commence in the next fortnight in 2 areas very close to apartment 5A, the beach, 2 areas of grassland and also said there was a road re-laid in 2007 that would be examined using latest ground radar technology.  Most definitely a follower of the McCann abduction story - though I wouldn`t say Pat Kenny was.

I had to calm down after listening to this.

I was disappointed that Pat Kenny a very experienced journalist/presenter used the word 'abduction' rather than disappearance. He let Mr Myers away with unsubstantiated comments about the lack of thoroughness of the Portuguese police from the start and then did not challenge him when he said the Portuguese police had been dragging their heels re permission to dig and now the main tourist season approached.

Anyone who would like to enlighten Mr Myers about the case can contact him at russell.myers@mirror.co.uk

I was absolutely shocked when I listened to it too.  It was one of the most blatant pro McCann but diss the PJ interviews I've ever heard, although I must say that Russell Myers didn't seem too happy with what he was saying, his voice was very shaky as if he'd been forced to say the words but didn't really believe them.

I am getting very frustrated with all the journos coming out against the PJ but are licking the feet of the McCanns, it's as though the journos have been paid huge bonuses to diss the PJ at every opportunity, now I wonder who may have come up with that idea.

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Post by MarleneP on 05.05.14 15:38

Thank you mouse. 
It's all THEATRE!
When I read here "a road did HAS BEEN relayed in 2007" I have to laugh out loud! I remember well the first forums with all the photos, which were analyzed by users. Exactly this road that was torn ...
We turn for 7 years in a circle.

RUSSELL MYERS: I think specifically they’re looking at 3 areas and this is what we are hearing in today’s story, looking 3 areas which are planned for major excavation. Now these were 2 areas very close to the apartment at the Ocean Club where Madeleine and her parents had been staying in 2007. There’s also an area of beach that has been actually reworked since 2004. Also there is two main areas of grassland very nearby and a road that has been relayed in 2007 very very soon after Madeleine went missing. So these are the areas that they want to revisit and essentially the British police think that Portuguese Police authorities hadn’t paid enough attention to these areas and that is why they want to go back to them.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Guest on 05.05.14 15:48

I got so annoyed at the mis-information and undermining of the Portuguese investigation, I had to stop listening.
But not before he said this:
" Said digging will commence in the next fortnight in 2 areas very close to apartment 5A, the beach, 2 areas of grassland and also said there was a road re-laid in 2007 that would be examined using latest ground radar technology. "
And the image of GM driving past the OC when Eddie and Keela were doing their searches sprang into mind.
He was worried they were going to find something that day, and more than just scents in my opinion.


I really hope it's true that either SY or PJ will be doing searches, it's the only way forward.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by phil_burton on 05.05.14 15:50

No idea which direction this is all heading, I can see both sides of the argument, whether it be actual developments or just another stage in the whitewash process.

It does certainly feel that there has been a change in what is being fed to the press. In the last 6 months we've gone from abduction theories of all sorts and denial that M died, to what we're seeing now which is close to acceptance she's dead.

The question is, why are team Mccann now peddling this line instead of the 'adopted by gypsies' theory, 'stolen by pedos' or anything just as ludicrous?

IMO it is either that a death certificate on the horizon and the Grange need to be seen as proactive and working in parallel with the PJ (a dig would fit in with this, even if they find nothing).

Or this is an actual development by the PJ and SY are just tagging along.

Personally, I think this is just more empty spin. They've had 7 years to dig, and I very much doubt anything new has come to light in the last 3 years that has prompted this.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Newintown on 05.05.14 15:58

@phil_burton wrote:No idea which direction this is all heading, I can see both sides of the argument, whether it be actual developments or just another stage in the whitewash process.

It does certainly feel that there has been a change in what is being fed to the press. In the last 6 months we've gone from abduction theories of all sorts and denial that M died, to what we're seeing now which is close to acceptance she's dead.

The question is, why are team Mccann now peddling this line instead of the 'adopted by gypsies' theory, 'stolen by pedos' or anything just as ludicrous?

IMO it is either that a death certificate on the horizon and the Grange need to be seen as proactive and working in parallel with the PJ (a dig would fit in with this, even if they find nothing).

Or this is an actual development by the PJ and SY are just tagging along.

Personally, I think this is just more empty spin. They've had 7 years to dig, and I very much doubt anything new has come to light in the last 3 years that has prompted this.

Unless someone's cracked under the pressure of keeping a secret (about an incident they weren't really responsible for but got dragged into unwittingly) for the past 7 years and has co-operated with the PJ and SY.

As AG and AR (?) have said that loyalties change over time; perhaps someone has come to their senses and realised that doing right for Madeleine is more important than saving their own skin.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Guest on 05.05.14 15:59

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.de/2012/03/criminal-profiling-topic-of-day-find.html
 
...or is Pat Brown right???
 
"...I was particularly interested in the activities of the McCann in the days before the Huelva trip when Gerry's phone pinged repeatedly in an area to the west of Praia da Luz along the road to Budens, (estre EN125). I also found it interesting that the day he was to leave for Huelva, he was not feeling well, having a bit of an upset stomach. This led me to theorize he could have used that day to move the body or to recover from moving it the day before. ..."
 
Phone pings
http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/PHONE_TEXTS.htm

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What would digging 'PROVE"

Post by PeterMac on 05.05.14 16:00

Just for the sake of completeness,
This is from an email from an ex-pat who lives in PdL (and who has provided vital documentary evidence which has been referred to Grange, PJ and Dr GA)
"over period Jan to July 2007 showing the progress of the major street refurbishment of Luz,"

BUT
IF they are going to start digging
and IF they think that digging will reveal something
THEN the burial of that something, or those somethings MUST have taken place
either considerably BEFORE 9.30 - 10pm 3/5/7
OR considerably AFTER - measured in weeks or months

BECAUSE from 10 and a bit pm 3/5/7 and for many weeks and months afterwards the place was crawling with Police and journalists, camera crews, photographers, and other people actually physically searching.
SO
Logically
IF Madeleine's body, or indeed anything associated with her is discovered
THEN
this becomes proof that she was dead BEFORE the evening of 3/5/7

Anything buried considerably AFTER, is more likely to have been buried well outside a significant radius, - 10 miles might be a good start.
Or have I missed a step ?

No wonder G&K look worried. They may have worked this out.

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