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Post by sharonl on 05.05.14 1:13

The Portuguese Police are not working alongside the Met and are certainly not jumping to the tune of the McCanns.  

Could all of this recent nonsense of the Met trying to work with the PJ, who are not co-operating, have something to do with the McCanns being desperate to find out exactly what lines the PJ are investigating and what evidence they have.

The PJ work in silence.  Just imagine if they picked up from where they left off when the case was closed and were following the Madeleine died in the apartment line, but now with new and credible evidence.  The PJ themselves may announce that Madeleine is dead, they may even be planning to dig up certain areas in Portugal.

Could this be the reason for the media suddenly making references to Madeleines' death and for Kates' sudden need to know if Madeleine is dead, getting in first and putting out the idea that Madeleine may be dead but Kate had no idea?

There is also the sudden news today about travis Vader who was convicted of the joint murder of Marie and Lyle McCann.  He is trying to say that they may be still alive and that he was wrongly convicted.  Is this a coincidence  or is this a bandwagon that they plan to jump on if accused by the PJ?

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Post by Cristobell on 05.05.14 1:23

How is digging two ruddy great holes in a foreign country, a routine part of a cold case investigation?

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Post by notlongnow on 05.05.14 1:57

Wonder what info has been given for this and maddie may be dead comments starting to come out

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Post by jeanmonroe on 05.05.14 2:11

I reckon that David Payne has now TOLD the Met team just WHAT the 'few things' he KNOWS and that he 'considers' are 'relevent and pertinent to establish the material truth' about a 3 years old child's 'disappearance'

Remember this?

"Gerry went out again at 4:00AM, 4th May 2007, with his friend David Payne"

DP ROG: David Payne says he did NOT partake in 'any searches' on 4th May 2007.

(oh yeah? what about the one with his mate Gerry at 4:00AM, just the two of them)

I think i remember a bit of 'over egging' about this 'search'

In Kate's bewk i think. Something like 'I asked Gerry to go out again'

Gerry McCann asked an GNR officer if the officer knew where a church was.

The devout catholics, the McCanns have been in PDL for SIX days and Gerry's trying to make out he dosen't know where the sea front, or any other, church is.

Date: 2007/05/16 Hours: 15h25m

Rui Segio Lopes Silva

Occupation: GNR Officer

He only had direct contact with the couple and their friends at about 04.00 when Gerry McCann approached the GNR group of which he was a member to ask whether there was a church close by. He replied to him in English, giving the directions to a nearby church.
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Surprise surprise!

"Kate and Gerry will not be going to Portugal but will be kept updated throughout"

BECAUSE, NOW THE PJ INVESTIGATION IS 'LIVE' THEY CAN BOTH BE ARGUIDOED THE INSTANT THEY SET FOOT ON PORTUGUESE SOIL!.

AND BE 'RE-QUESTIONED'

SOMETHING THE PJ WANTED TO DO, BEFORE THE MCCANNS 'DID A RUNNER'

F) From what was obtained until now, everything points out that the McCann, as self-defence, didn't want to deliver immediately and voluntarily the cadaver, existing a strong possibility that the same was transported from the initial place of deposition. This situation is susceptible to raise questions about the circumstances under which the death of the minor occurred.

So we suggest that the 'Autos' be sent to the EX.mo Sr. Procurador Geral da R'ublica [General Attorney], in order to:

G) NEW INTERROGATION OF THE AGUIDOS KATE AND GERRY MCCANN:

CONCLUSION
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Post by jeanmonroe on 05.05.14 3:25

Interviewing Officer DC 1485 MESSIAH "Is there anything that you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth?''

David Payne reply "Err the, there are a few things but I don't think this is the right forum for bringing those up.'
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Maybe the Met's 'forum' WAS the RIGHT place for bringing those 'few things' (plural) up.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 05.05.14 3:51

I've just had a terrible 'thought', and am embarrassed to even say this, but having witnessed the most 'inept investigation', cover up EVER, imo, could/would the Met, here goes, take 'a bag of childs bones' to PDL and after a quick 'dig' announce 'hey, look what we've found'?

All this talk of 'death' in the last few days, pushed by Madeleine's own parents, mainly, is NOT coincidental, imo.

A 'discovery' like that would be hugely expedient and 'convenient' wouldn't it?

Investigation closed.

Nah, not even the Met would swoop that low, would they?

Bad, bad, me for even suggesting that.

DELETE me if you want.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 05.05.14 4:21

On a 'lighter' note, or not, maybe D Cameron has eyed a UK 'export' drive 'opportunity' and can flog a few JCB's to the Portuguese, from the JCB factory he was 'praising and promoting' last week, to clear up all the bullshit his Met Police force has spread on the beautiful, family friendly, Algarve recently.

Gallows 'humour'.

OK, delete.

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Post by Bishop Brennan on 05.05.14 5:07

Something has changed, that is for sure.  Up until today, for a tabloid to even hint at the possibility that Maddie is dead was unthinkable - borderline libel.  And for anyone to start 'digging' is as big a bit of news as there has been in the past 5 years.  This won't be a random "let's have a dig and see if we find anything".  They are looking for something specific - probably a body.  

The HUGE question is what led them to start digging?.  And where will they do it? “They don’t believe police are acting on any new tip off," says the Source. Hmm.

I don't buy that it is SY leading the dig - if they can't even interview someone in Portugal without an ILR, they certainly can't roll up with a digging crew and start tunnelling on the beach. That part reads like a desperate attempt to spin this devastating news for the McCanns.  If the PJ are leading the dig, and they are confident, they might let SY join in or bring some hi-tech equipment (I hope not though).  

Will they find something? Or will the scans come up blank like the MH370 search?   Time will tell.  


(Of course - in the worst case scenario that they do find evidence of poor Maddie's death, then SY and the UK media have carefully painted a background picture of serial sex-offender 'smellyman' who will instantly become public enemy number 1.)

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Post by Watching on 05.05.14 6:01

@jeanmonroe wrote:Interviewing Officer DC 1485 MESSIAH "Is there anything that you consider pertinent or relevant to establish the material truth?''

David Payne reply "Err the, there are a few things but I don't think this is the right forum for bringing those up.'
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Maybe the Met's 'forum' WAS the RIGHT place for bringing those 'few things' (plural) up.

Mr & Mrs were permitted to give the Leicestershire Officers questions which they would like put to their tapas friends.  The question you have quoted is one of them, and this question was put to, if not all of those friends questioned, at least some of them.

The question in itself, extraordinary, Payne's reply, to say when being interviewed by police regarding a case of a missing child, that it was not the proper forum to reply in full, more extraordinary.  Payne would surely have known, as all of the tapas friends would have, before questioning by Leicestershire Police, which questions Mr & Mrs were going to have the police ask of them.  That Mr & Mrs were allowed to have police ask questions on their behalf, to me seems astonishing, but maybe this is the norm in such cases.  

I didn't take from his reply that he was about to spill the beans, more that he wanted to really let rip about the PJ and any other matter (possibly Gaspar statements) which had him hot under the collar. I think he did not want certain things on record, on tape or other. I think Payne had a few things to say, not necessarily pertinent to establishing the material truth.

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Re: "Maddie cops to start digging at resort"

Post by Bishop Brennan on 05.05.14 6:17

If I may, perhaps I could open the bidding on speculating where they might dig with a reference back to this article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-488262/I-deceived-says-Portuguese-priest-comforted-Gerry-Kate-McCann.html

The following quote caught my eye:  Last week, police moved in to search the churchyard and there has been some suggestion that they may consider digging for Madeleine's body at the location.

(The 'last week' referred to is back in 2007, but I don't think any digging was ever done.)

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Post by AndyB on 05.05.14 7:28

So where's all this nonsense coming from? "A source close to the McCann’s" I take to mean Clarence Mitchell but later in the article it says "The McCann’s official spokesperson Clarence Mitchell last night refused to comment".

"A source close to the Prime Minister" usually means the PM himself so maybe the McCann's are coming out with it. The question is why, and the answer to that is about 3/4 of the way through the article: "The latest news is a sign Portuguese ­detectives could be willing to grant full access to files and evidence their British ­counterparts on Operation Grange have been requesting for months." They're getting really desperate to know what the PJ are doing but I can't see this latest attempt to find out working

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Post by Mirage on 05.05.14 7:43

I have wondered whether SY, and by extension the Mcs, have been left so far out of the loop that a dig by the PJ has already taken place. The libel trial delay and GA's CMTV interview fit with this. Then there's the non-appearance of the Mcs in PdL for the church service.

The pair of them exude a loss of control over proceedings IMO especially in the round of recent interviews. Fiona Bruce and to some extent Kelly were perfunctory and I sensed little warmth from either towards them.

There are two recurring images in my mind this morning. The first is of KH and GM sitting on that high rock like kings of the castle watching the progress of the searches. The other is of GM and MW looking for something amongst beach rocks with GM on his mobile.

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Post by plebgate on 05.05.14 8:08

Sounds like a story to shift papers on  a  Bank Holiday Monday.  

Sources close to blah blah.

In the last few days we read stories as to Mrs. being distraught because the two police forces weren't working together.   Now, suddenly, there is going to be a dig around the resort.

If that is the case then the two forces must be working together.   SY would not be able to go over and start digging without permission.

It could possibly be that the Pt. police are thinking of digging and SY being present, but there is no way SY would be able to do it on their own.

Clarence Mitchell with nothing to say, I can't believe that either.   big grin

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Post by tiny on 05.05.14 8:16

I don't believe a word of it.

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Post by Guest on 05.05.14 8:18

Redwood must be taking his bucket and spade then on his next jolly to Portugal.

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Post by Mirage on 05.05.14 8:22

Andrew77R wrote:Redwood must be taking his bucket and spade then on his next jolly to Portugal.

Ha ha. Also some little Union Jacks to stick on the top.

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Post by plebgate on 05.05.14 8:30

IIRC when the British public were first made aware of Tractor Man, it was reported/hinted at by  one of the news channels that digging was going to start.   Nothing came of that either.

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Post by noddy100 on 05.05.14 8:31

If one of the Tapas did come forward do you think they would speak to SY or the PJ
Who would most likely grant them immunity for info

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Post by PeterMac on 05.05.14 8:38

This is old news.
They have already started.

This picture was taken two weeks ago - (according to the EXIF metadada ! !)
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Post by Wahrheit on 05.05.14 8:43

This is a different kind of development from the usual suspect spin cycle, IMO. The Mcs themselves seem to be behind it. The hairdo has probably given info off the record as a "source close to..." and on the record "We are not going to comment..." Not an unusual way of doing things at all when deniability is sought.

If the info IS true, then the police must be acting on some kind of very specific info. As others have pointed out you don't just rumble into a foreign tourist resort in high season and begin JCBing their beach. One presumes there are protocols to be followed which would require some credible basis for the action to be justified. What would that info be, what gives it credibility and who supplied it?

Also, if true, why would the Mcs have leaked it? To show they are in control of events? To prove they are hand in glove with SY and share key details and strategy? If the info had leaked in advance of them commenting, how might they be damaged? Would they be seen to be out of the loop and, since the implication is that their child is dead, they might be concerned that this might be a threat to their claims of innocence.

If the info is NOT true, then what do the Mcs gain? Certainly, it emphatically promotes the idea she has died - useful if they're transitioning to "shut down" mode - but, telling such an easily provable whopper greatly risks their "credibility". Could it be to force SY to confirm or deny some info that has reached them unofficially? That would be tremendously high risk as it would be a direct provocation to the Yard and confirmation that a state of war (not cooperation) exists between them. Perhaps both SY and the Mcs are "fishing" to see how the Portuguese respond again on the basis that rumours about a dig have reached them? Unlikely, as the risk to SY is that this would confirm to the PJ they are not on the same side as them despite their protestations to the contrary. Are SY planting a false story to see how fast the Mcs leak? Unlikely, as they know they do already unless it is to track down the source of a specific mole from among their own ranks. i.e. plant ridiculous stories among their men and see which one reaches the target.

If it's not the last, then I'm going with the story has a basis in truth and the Mcs are preempting the news coming out in some other way.

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Post by PeterMac on 05.05.14 8:48

And now, Laidees and genn'lmen  
Put your hands together for
Diggerman.

The last, the latest, the most credible.
A man who within one minute and twenty seconds can not only get into an apartment, sedate three chldren, take one, get out again - all without leaving a single foresic trace
and then

drum roll

BURY HER.



{Ah, yes, but what about "Find the body and prove that we killed her  . . ."
Might that now take on a slightly different emphasis}

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Post by Nina on 05.05.14 8:51

Why now, 7 years on, right at the start of the holiday season in an already struggling PdL? And needle in a haystack type of search, where to start? Imo, if there is any truth at all about this it is the Portuguese Police who are doing the digging and the areas will be very specific.

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Post by Guest on 05.05.14 8:53

@PeterMac wrote:This is old news.
They have already started.

This picture was taken two weeks ago - (according to the EXIF metadada ! !)
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That looks photoshopped to me Peter. His head isn't sitting right on his shoulders...and it looks like his top half is wearing a suit.

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Post by Guest on 05.05.14 8:57

@PeterMac wrote:And now, Laidees and genn'lmen  
Put your hands together for
Diggerman.

The last, the latest, the most credible.
A man who within one minute and twenty seconds can not only get into an apartment, sedate three chldren, take one, get out again - all without leaving a single foresic trace
and then

drum roll

BURY HER.

{Ah, yes, but what about "Find the body and prove that we killed her  . . ."
Might that now take on a slightly different emphasis}

And then come back 25 days later, dig her up, and plant her decomposing remains in a car that the McCanns then went and hired! What are the chances? bigshock

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Post by PeterMac on 05.05.14 8:58

@Nina wrote:. . Imo, if there is any truth at all about this it is the Portuguese Police who are doing the digging and the areas will be very specific.

Quite.
If there is any grain or scintilla, or particle, iota, jot, whit, atom, speck, bit, trace, ounce, shred, crumb, fragment, grain, drop, spot, modicum, hint, touch, suggestion, whisper, suspicion; smidgen, or tad of truth in this story - at all - you must be right.   In which case they may have latched on to something we discussed some time ago.
And it may be that one of the Tapas or others has given them a clue.
Grange have had the information all the time, and have more recently been sent the analysis, just in case HOLMES II or ANACAPA did not bring it to the surface.

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