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Re: Breaking Sky news - Brit police to go to portugal next week to help portuguese with investigations

Post by Doug D on 26.04.14 13:20

Dee Coy:
 
‘What it does mean is that both McCanns, unless they were shown the PowerPoint presentation by video link, have indeed made a journey on Portuguese soil together around November time last year’.
 
Not necessarily. We have seen one or other turn up at the court and a briefing to either of them or even just to their legal team, as long as it happened in Lisbon, I think would be covered by Paul Luckman’s statement. It could well be that someone on TM was briefed and given a copy of the PP presentation to take away.
 
Paul Luckman:
 
‘yet we had it directly from the police that in fact they had briefed the Met and the McCanns 6 months earlier in Lisbon even with a power point presentation on this case’

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Post by PeterMac on 26.04.14 15:15



HELLO, HELLO, Listen in please, people of the Algarve,

We know where Madeleine is and we know who has got her, and we know where you live and what you smell like.
We shall be round at 9 tomorrow morning, or possibly on Monday, to arrest you !"


NEXT DAY:

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There's no one here  . . .

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Post by Cristobell on 26.04.14 15:58

@Rasputin wrote:
@IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:I'm afraid anyone that believes the British media are going to break 'ranks' needs to be evaluated and scheduled.

The media, politicians and the Met are all involved upto their necks in this 'affair'

Off topic slightly , I watched  " Ace in the hole " lastnight with Kirk Douglas playing the part of a lowlife journalist who milks a tragedy ... the politician the policeman and the media are all in it up to their necks...along with the victim stuck underground in a hellish lair....worth watching !
Thanks for the tip Rasputin, sounds a bit film noir, will look out for it  smilie

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Post by Watching on 26.04.14 16:58

@PeterMac wrote:

HELLO, HELLO, Listen in please, people of the Algarve,

We know where Madeleine is and we know who has got her, and we know where you live and what you smell like.
We shall be round at 9 tomorrow morning, or possibly on Monday, to arrest you !"


NEXT DAY:

Sarge,
There's no one here  . . .

Sarge:

What do you mean there's no one there...course there isn't dimwit, never will be...you're not going to be arresting anyone...this case is about buoyancy Mr & Mrs like to be buoyed, your orders were to leak a story to press about how buoyed Mr & Mrs are by us Met guys & how annoyed they are by PJ guys.  Got that? Now get back to work, and remember they want to be buoyed, not overjoyed, never overjoyed, that's a step too far they're not that keen for her to be found, they never go beyond being buoyant - they'd shit themselves if we found her...and so would we...that's not remit... You come across any pot bellied smelly guy you hold your nose, your tongue, and turn a blind eye or we're in shit -.it's BUOYANCY that's key, as Mr would say...just enough to keep the Fund afloat...is all that's needed...

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Post by lj on 26.04.14 18:32

@Watching wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:

HELLO, HELLO, Listen in please, people of the Algarve,

We know where Madeleine is and we know who has got her, and we know where you live and what you smell like.
We shall be round at 9 tomorrow morning, or possibly on Monday, to arrest you !"


NEXT DAY:

Sarge,
There's no one here  . . .

Sarge:

What do you mean there's no one there...course there isn't dimwit, never will be...you're not going to be arresting anyone...this case is about buoyancy Mr & Mrs like to be buoyed, your orders were to leak a story to press about how buoyed Mr & Mrs are by us Met guys & how annoyed they are by PJ guys.  Got that? Now get back to work, and remember they want to be buoyed, not overjoyed, never overjoyed, that's a step too far they're not that keen for her to be found, they never go beyond being buoyant - they'd shit themselves if we found her...and so would we...that's not remit... You come across any pot bellied smelly guy you hold your nose, your tongue, and turn a blind eye or we're in shit -.it's BUOYANCY that's key, as Mr would say...just enough to keep the Fund afloat...is all that's needed...


Sad ain't it that it starts to look more like a slapstick very day.

Andy has a whole new career ahead of him!

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Post by plebgate on 27.04.14 8:31

@Watching wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:

HELLO, HELLO, Listen in please, people of the Algarve,

We know where Madeleine is and we know who has got her, and we know where you live and what you smell like.
We shall be round at 9 tomorrow morning, or possibly on Monday, to arrest you !"


NEXT DAY:

Sarge,
There's no one here  . . .

Sarge:

What do you mean there's no one there...course there isn't dimwit, never will be...you're not going to be arresting anyone...this case is about buoyancy Mr & Mrs like to be buoyed, your orders were to leak a story to press about how buoyed Mr & Mrs are by us Met guys & how annoyed they are by PJ guys.  Got that? Now get back to work, and remember they want to be buoyed, not overjoyed, never overjoyed, that's a step too far they're not that keen for her to be found, they never go beyond being buoyant - they'd shit themselves if we found her...and so would we...that's not remit... You come across any pot bellied smelly guy you hold your nose, your tongue, and turn a blind eye or we're in shit -.it's BUOYANCY that's key, as Mr would say...just enough to keep the Fund afloat...is all that's needed...
Both posts -  clapping

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Re: Breaking Sky news - Brit police to go to portugal next week to help portuguese with investigations

Post by sharonl on 27.04.14 22:17

FOUND: Shirt worn by Madeleine McCann suspect
A FORMER Scotland Yard detective has uncovered a sensational clue that could help solve the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
By: James Murray
Published: Sun, April 27, 2014


VITAL CLUE: Right, handout photo issued by the Metropolitan Police, left, Madeleine McCann [PA]

Peter Bleksley believes the shirt worn by the prime suspect was a rare design produced by beer company Super Bock.

It was not sold but given away to loyal customers and should be possible to trace.

The suspect is a child sex attacker who has been operating for years in the area of Portugal where Madeleine vanished in 2007.

His burgundy coloured top with a distinctive white ­circle on the back was described by the families of two of his victims.

The Yard has released a picture of the long-sleeve T-shirt.

Mr Bleksley, 54, a founder member of the Yard’s undercover squad, said: “Some people have suggested it bore a resemblance to a strip once worn by the Arsenal football team.

“However, I think a more likely explanation could be that the man was wearing one of these Super Bock promotional T-shirts.

"From speaking to bar owners I know the design for these T-shirts changes every year and only a certain number are handed out to regular customers.

“Therefore, it would be possible to check back on all the designs and the years they were produced and see which one bears most similarity to that witnessed by families of victims.

“Then it would be possible to check the distribution of the T-shirts to see where they were given out.

"Not all pubs bother with the promotion so through a process of elimination it may be possible to narrow down where such shirts may have been handed out and then bar owners could be asked about their customers.

“We know that some victims said the man smelt of stale alcohol and tobacco and that he had a pot belly, so that would suggest he was a regular drinker or may have worked in a pub or restaurant.

A tradesman wearing an old Super Bock t-shirt [MARK KEHOE]

The beer's ubiquitous logo in another bar [MARK KEHOE]

We know that some victims said the man smelt of stale alcohol and tobacco and that he had a pot belly, so that would suggest he was a regular drinker or may have worked in a pub or restaurant
Peter Bleksley

“The man appears to target his victims after watching families and working out how to get into their holiday apartments, suggesting he is methodical and has his own modus operandi.”

The distinctive Super Bock logo of a white circle on a maroon background is used on signs outside pubs across Portugal.

In the Algarve resort of Carvoeiro we found a tradesman wearing one of the shirts with the words Super Man on it. He said he had owned the shirt for a number of years.

Last week the Sunday Express flew Mr Bleksley to the Algarve to assess the progress of the Yard’s investigation into Madeleine’s disappearance from her family’s holiday apartment in Praia da Luz on May 3, 2007, seven years ago this Saturday, when she was approaching her fourth birthday.

He arrived just as Scotland Yard announced that there were five more attacks on British girls in and around Luz, including a disturbing sexual assault on a girl of 10 in 2005 in the very resort from where Madeleine disappeared two years later.

The Yard are looking at 18 potentially linked cases of someone entering holiday homes.

They are focusing on 12 break-ins during which nine girls were attacked and three other cases described as near-misses.

Mr Bleksley said: “The Yard has a massive job on its hands to look into all these crimes and every tiny clue is important.

ON SPOT: Mr Bleksley at Ocean Club last week [MARK KEHOE]





"The one solid clue comes from two families who report the intruder as wearing the top with the distinctive white circle.”

Mr Bleksley, whose book on unsolved murders, called Ten Most Wanted, highlighted shortcomings in police investigations, has analysed the McCann files for the Sunday Express.

He suggested it was time to go back to square one, with a new forensic sweep of material from the holiday apartment where she vanished.

Last week Detective Chief Inspector Andy Redwood revealed that some of the attacks on British girls had been reported to the GNR, the military-style police force that investigates minor crimes, but it appears the information was not passed on to the Policia Judiciaria, equivalent of the British CID.

Mr Bleksley said: “I was very alarmed to hear Mr Redwood suggest there may be forensic material relating to some of these attacks sitting in a GNR cupboard somewhere.

"Clearly, if this is the case these exhibits need to be found urgently.

“In fact, I would go further and say there needs to be a full re-examination of all known material on all 18 of the break-ins and particularly those during which girls were assaulted.”

He believes there should also be a full review of all forensics relating to Madeleine’s disappearance from apartment 5a of the Ocean Club.


“There was a case I looked into for my book where a review of all the forensics on the murder of a woman was re-examined 10 years after the crime and a breakthrough was made which led to a charge of murder.

“Forensic techniques are continually evolving and improving and I think the Yard should consider whether there would be any value in conducting further forensic tests of material from apartment 5a.



“An abductor may have come into contact with bed linen, door handles, door frames, walls, furniture and there could be minute traces from which it was not possible to obtain a profile then but may be possible now.



“If a profile was obtained from 5a it would be very interesting to see if it matched profiles taken from scenes of crime where British girls were attacked in apartments or villas.

“I sincerely hope the Met and the PJ work in tandem towards a shared goal. If these offences had happened in Britain, the victims would have been interviewed on video and the information processed and cross referenced to see if there were similarities to other reported offences and to see if a pattern emerged.

“This obviously was not done in Portugal so the Yard had to go right back to square one.”

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Post by PeterMac on 27.04.14 22:27

@sharonl wrote:. . . If these offences had happened in Britain, the victims would have been interviewed on video and the information processed and cross referenced to see if there were similarities to other reported offences and to see if a pattern emerged.
“This obviously was not done in Portugal so the Yard had to go right back to square one.”
And step forward the two who claim they are the VICTIMS in this case.
They Should be interviewed on video, separately, not together, and their statements cross referenced - as we have been doing for the past 7 years.

TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE, AND WERE, LYING  . . . Which Dr Amaral discovered in the early hours of 4th May 2007.

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Post by sharonl on 27.04.14 22:40

@PeterMac wrote:
@sharonl wrote:. . . If these offences had happened in Britain, the victims would have been interviewed on video and the information processed and cross referenced to see if there were similarities to other reported offences and to see if a pattern emerged.
“This obviously was not done in Portugal so the Yard had to go right back to square one.”
And step forward the two who claim they are the VICTIMS in this case.
They Should be interviewed on video, separately, not together, and their statements cross referenced - as we have been doing for the past 7 years.

TO PROVE THAT THEY ARE, AND WERE, LYING  . . . Which Dr Amaral discovered in the early hours of 4th May 2007.

Petermac

I find this bit quite worrying, what do you make of it?

“Forensic techniques are continually evolving and improving and I think the Yard should consider whether there would be any value in conducting further forensic tests of material from apartment 5a.



“An abductor may have come into contact with bed linen, door handles, door frames, walls, furniture and there could be minute traces from which it was not possible to obtain a profile then but may be possible now.




“If a profile was obtained from 5a it would be very interesting to see if it matched profiles taken from scenes of crime where British girls were attacked in apartments or villas.

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Post by sharonl on 27.04.14 23:04

Petermac,

Scratch my last message, I am no longer concerned.


Peter Bleksley is no longer with the MET, he left in 1999

He is now a Writer, consultant and Broadcaster.

In addition to that, he was allegedly flown to PDL courtesy of the Express.

If the Met have no jurisdiction in Portugal, this fool will none whatsoever.




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Post by diatribe on 27.04.14 23:10

@sharonl wrote:


I find this bit quite worrying, what do you make of it?

“Forensic techniques are continually evolving and improving and I think the Yard should consider whether there would be any value in conducting further forensic tests of material from apartment 5a.



“An abductor may have come into contact with bed linen, door handles, door frames, walls, furniture and there could be minute traces from which it was not possible to obtain a profile then but may be possible now.




“If a profile was obtained from 5a it would be very interesting to see if it matched profiles taken from scenes of crime where British girls were attacked in apartments or villas.

My opinion, Sharon, is that if the Met. police forensic analysts need to take advice from this carpetbagging charlatan on how to conduct their scientific investigations, then they really are up shit creek without a paddle.

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Post by maebee on 27.04.14 23:57

Andrew77R wrote:
Thanks Andrew but as we all know, there is no "amazing new clue". You would have to wonder how the Editor-in-Chief of the Daily Star can sleep at night. He knows there is no new clue and he sanctions this headline - to make money, at the expense of finding justice for a little 3 year old girl. Shame on him.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 28.04.14 3:09

A detective has made a break-through just days before the seventh anniversary of the three-year-old going missing in Portugal.
Her parents Gerry and Kate were last night said to be “heartened” by the revelations.
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Ex-Scotland Yard detective Mr Bleksley, who has spent much time investigating the case in Portugal, said:
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THAT has to be the world's SHORTEST Met Police 'career' EVER!

Mr Bleksley IS 'a detective' in paragraph 1 AND an EX 'detective' by paragraph 4!

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Post by jeanmonroe on 28.04.14 4:10

Perhaps Operation Strange's 'budget' can run to purchashing a few of these T-Shirts on E-Bay, hand them out as 'freebies' when they are in PDL, and 'nick' the first pot bellied man, they have given a T-Shirt to, as THE 'prime suspect' in the Madeleine McCann 'disappearance'

As Jay of the Inbetweeners would say: "BRILLIANT!"

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Post by jeanmonroe on 28.04.14 5:10

Ex-Scotland Yard detective Mr Bleksley, said “We know that some victims said had a pot belly, so that would suggest he was a regular drinker or may have worked in a pub or restaurant.”
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REALLY? DOCTOR? BLEKSLEY

Brilliant pice of deductive detecting there then by you, 'suggesting he was a regular drinker', to 'explain' his 'pot belly'..

Oh, wait

Pot bellies can be caused by medical conditions. A pot belly can indicate gastrointestinal distress in the form of irritable bowel syndrome, inflammatory bowel disease and gastroparesis, a type of nerve damage that affects the stomach. Sometimes certain types of cancer manifest themselves by creating a pot  belly as well.

Maybe the chap had cancer?

A 'possibility' i'm sure has had your full consideration, Doctor Bleksley.......or NOT!.

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Post by NickE on 28.04.14 7:47

Correct me if I'm wrong,but doesn't PJ have forensic findings from the apartment that was never sent to the FSS?

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Post by aquila on 28.04.14 8:00

I hope I'm not straying too far off topic but it does pertain to forensics in some fashion.

Does anyone know what happened to apartment 5a?

Mrs Fenn passed away - Mrs Fenn lived in the apartment above. Has apartment 5a been sold? If so, to whom? It's not terribly unusual for a police authority to buy a property that's a crime scene although I doubt that has happened in this case.

So....if apartment 5a has indeed been sold who bought it?

ETA: who sold it? and who were the selling agents?

ETA (again) who now owns Mrs Fenn's apartment?

ETA (yet again) how many of the apartments that were in the block have changed ownership?

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Post by sharonl on 28.04.14 8:29

@aquila wrote:I hope I'm not straying too far off topic but it does pertain to forensics in some fashion.

Does anyone know what happened to apartment 5a?

Mrs Fenn passed away - Mrs Fenn lived in the apartment above. Has apartment 5a been sold? If so, to whom? It's not terribly unusual for a police authority to buy a property that's a crime scene although I doubt that has happened in this case.

So....if apartment 5a has indeed been sold who bought it?

ETA: who sold it? and who were the selling agents?

ETA (again) who now owns Mrs Fenn's apartment?

ETA (yet again) how many of the apartments that were in the block have changed ownership?

Mrs Fenn passed her apartment to her Son Ian Fenn who is the manager of a London based company.

The only Ian Fenn that I can find is the manager of Chopstix Media who appear to do a lot of work for the BBC and Virgin Media.

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Post by russiandoll on 28.04.14 8:30

 I am confused here. If this is an example of a promotional  shirt, relating to this brand of beer, where is the brand name? Is this because all that was made out by the victim was the circle? I would have thought that if you can see white on a dark background, the print would have been visible, to the extent that a person could say   that there was something printed inside the circle.

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Post by aquila on 28.04.14 8:45

@sharonl wrote:
@aquila wrote:I hope I'm not straying too far off topic but it does pertain to forensics in some fashion.

Does anyone know what happened to apartment 5a?

Mrs Fenn passed away - Mrs Fenn lived in the apartment above. Has apartment 5a been sold? If so, to whom? It's not terribly unusual for a police authority to buy a property that's a crime scene although I doubt that has happened in this case.

So....if apartment 5a has indeed been sold who bought it?

ETA: who sold it? and who were the selling agents?

ETA (again) who now owns Mrs Fenn's apartment?

ETA (yet again) how many of the apartments that were in the block have changed ownership?

Mrs Fenn passed her apartment to her Son Ian Fenn who is the manager of a London based company.

The only Ian Fenn that I can find is the manager of Chopstix Media who appear to do a lot of work for the BBC and Virgin Media.
That's very interesting - yet another media person. Keep it going Sharonl.

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