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Post by diatribe on 24.04.14 17:20

Châtelaine wrote:It's "funny" that Portuguese and ex-pats in the Algarve have never heard of this flurry of assault cases, isn't it?

They're probably too busy catching up with the UK crime statistics which are amongst the highest in Europe, Chatelaine.

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Post by comperedna on 24.04.14 17:55

Sky News had it that the UK cops were going not only to assist the Portuguese police, which would be fair enough, but to GUIDE them! Can you believe it!

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Post by canada12 on 24.04.14 18:18

Châtelaine wrote:It's "funny" that Portuguese and ex-pats in the Algarve have never heard of this flurry of assault cases, isn't it?

Precisely what I wondered. And to paraphrase my comment on another thread - how do we know that these cases actually exist?

In my world of imagination, I can think of a situation whereby "victims" of these crimes may have been "hired" by less then scrupulous individuals to come forward and "report" the hitherto unreported crimes, in order to provide additional "helpful" information to SY and to "assist" in their investigation.

As I say, this scenario exists in my world of imagination.

Wouldn't it be interesting if it was true.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.04.14 18:21

@PeterMac wrote:BREAKING NEWS

The search for Missing Madeleine Beth McCann has suddenly moved its focus to Northern Germany.
Scotland Yard are liaising with their German Counterparts and the BKA, and intend to travel to Hameln  (Hamelin) in the near future
on the trail of a flautist who may be holding a grudge against the local Burgermeister (Mayor)  over an unpaid bill.
Don't worry.

I've found him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r0zoEBba1Y

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 24.04.14 18:29

@canada12 wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:It's "funny" that Portuguese and ex-pats in the Algarve have never heard of this flurry of assault cases, isn't it?

Precisely what I wondered. And to paraphrase my comment on another thread - how do we know that these cases actually exist?

In my world of imagination, I can think of a situation whereby "victims" of these crimes may have been "hired" by less then scrupulous individuals to come forward and "report" the hitherto unreported crimes, in order to provide additional "helpful" information to SY and to "assist" in their investigation.

As I say, this scenario exists in my world of imagination.

Wouldn't it be interesting if it was true.
A few weeks ago I did a search on Tripadvisor and found a couple of threads about breakins but nothing about sexual assault. Even the ex-pats on the forum hadn't heard of anything.

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowForum-g189112-i331-Albufeira_Faro_District_Algarve.html

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Post by Guest on 24.04.14 18:44

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:BREAKING NEWS

The search for Missing Madeleine Beth McCann has suddenly moved its focus to Northern Germany.
Scotland Yard are liaising with their German Counterparts and the BKA, and intend to travel to Hameln  (Hamelin) in the near future
on the trail of a flautist who may be holding a grudge against the local Burgermeister (Mayor)  over an unpaid bill.
Don't worry.

I've found him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r0zoEBba1Y
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Post by Guest on 24.04.14 21:35

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:BREAKING NEWS

The search for Missing Madeleine Beth McCann has suddenly moved its focus to Northern Germany.
Scotland Yard are liaising with their German Counterparts and the BKA, and intend to travel to Hameln  (Hamelin) in the near future
on the trail of a flautist who may be holding a grudge against the local Burgermeister (Mayor)  over an unpaid bill.
Don't worry.

I've found him:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3r0zoEBba1Y

A man who lures children away with a laundry basket must surely be classed as a person of interest.

Even better, he died in 2010.

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Post by petunia on 24.04.14 21:42

Seems like this latest story has gone down like a lead balloon with newspapers and news channels.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.04.14 21:42

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:
A man who lures children away with a laundry basket must surely be classed as a person of interest.

Even better, he died in 2010.  
I think he was taking some clothes to be washed.

Just after the British Ambassador had cleared it with the local police

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Post by magrat70 on 24.04.14 23:50

To quote my favourite vampire "bored now"

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Post by lj on 25.04.14 1:30

@aquila wrote:There was an ex Met officer on Sky News today Hamish Brown I think his name was who was speaking/appealing for people to give information to the police!!!! He spoke of the Portuguese having phone records that would be helpful in light of the newly discovered crimes.

Unbelievable!

anyway, on a lighter note Tony, your post re the numbers of officers etc reminds me of Yes Minister re an economy drive

Hacker: How many people do we have in this department?
Sir Humphrey
: Ummm... well, we're very small...
Hacker
: Two, maybe three thousand?
Sir Humphrey: About twenty three thousand to be precise.
Hacker
: TWENTY THREE THOUSAND! In the department of administrative affairs, twenty three thousand adminstrators just to administer the other administrators! We need to do a time-and-motion study, see who we can get rid of.
Sir Humphrey
: Ah, well, we did one of those last year.
Hacker: And what were the results?
Sir Humphrey: It turned out that we needed another five hundred people.

Exactly, that's how it works. Plus for those studies you need independent people, that's another 3 or 4 non profits. Than we need independent people to watch the independent people, thats 10 x 4 another 40 non-profits that each need a board so that's 6 x 40 + 6 x 4 + independent communicators and trustworthy inbetweens that's another 3 x 44 (we are trying tp keep it manageble). That's another 500 of outside people.

Now we have to discuss who watches the watchers.

Just look how Hillary just lost 6 BILLION!!! in her 4 years. We should ask Andy to do the US State Dep, that will cut the loses.

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Post by lj on 25.04.14 1:53

@PeterMac wrote:BREAKING NEWS

The search for Missing Madeleine Beth McCann has suddenly moved its focus to Northern Germany.
Scotland Yard are liaising with their German Counterparts and the BKA, and intend to travel to Hameln  (Hamelin) in the near future
on the trail of a flautist who may be holding a grudge against the local Burgermeister (Mayor)  over an unpaid bill.


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Post by aiyoyo on 25.04.14 12:52



Days before the 7th anniversary of the disappearance of Madeleine McCann, British detectives say they now know of at least one other child “abused in her bed while on holiday in the heart of Praia da Luz”.

The news comes just as the village is getting ready for a fun-loving community sports event designed to kick off the season and bolster spirits after countless years in the Maddie shadow.

But no matter how hard people try to move on, ‘revelations’ keep coming - particularly to coincide with the May 3 anniversary.

This latest - announced to newspapers and news services on Wednesday - focuses on the pot-bellied male intruder with noticeable odour that Operation Grange, the Met’s special Maddie task force, revealed it was looking for last month.

Originally, Grange boss Andy Redwood said his team had identified 12 break-ins between 2004 and 2010, four of which had involved the sexual assaults of five white British girls on holiday.

Releasing the information, DCI Redwood appealed to the public for information.

As a result, Operation Grange is reported to have received up to 500 calls. Among these they have learned of six further incidents in the Algarve during the same time frame, says Redwood: five of which involved sexual assaults on young British holidaymakers (all girls) and one of which was a ‘near miss’.

The fact that none of the assaults were made on children of Madeleine’s age - nor were any of the girls removed from their beds never to be seen again - has not dissuaded investigators from the theory that they could all be linked to the little girl’s disappearance in 2007.

"In this new tranche of information we have got one crime which is very clearly in the heart of Praia da Luz in 2005, on a young, white, 10-year-old girl”, Redwood told journalists.

"Clearly the fact that we've now got an assault that is in the heart of Praia da Luz, very close to where a previous matter had been reported, means that we are even more interested in this as part of the inquiry."

According to BBC news: “The case involving the 10-year-old was not reported to police in either country until now.

“Overall, nine of the 18 break-ins involved alleged sexual assaults against British girls aged six to 12.

“Three took place in Praia da Luz, five in Carvoeiro, nine in Albufeira and one in Vilamoura”.

As news services scramble to send the revelations all over the globe, residents in Luz are shaking their heads in disbelief.

“When will this end?” One asked us, visibly crestfallen. “A NEW sexual assault on a child, in Luz? Why have we never heard about it until now? And why are we hearing about it just in time for the 7th anniversary of the disappearance?”

Others were more belligerent. “These latest revelations are simply beyond belief”, a former British policeman who has been actively following investigations told us.

“The totally Flat man - who managed to hide behind the door against the wall when Gerry (Madeleine’s father) entered the room to do his check (just before Madeleine went missing), and Tannerman who was of medium slim build, and Smithman, who was not potbellied, and the Heroin Blackman have all suddenly been dropped in favour of trying to trace potbellied Smellyman - a fat man who can leap in a single bound through a tiny window, and take a sleeping child, whilst sedating two others in a way unknown to modern medical science, and then leap out again and VANISH without leaving his distinctive smell.
“It is all too ridiculous to even try to take on board”...

But “take on board” has been the order of the day for years.


News services simply repeat verbatim news purportedly coming from Scotland Yard, and occasionally even news reported to have come from PJ police in Portugal. And, as the little village of Praia da Luz bravely continues to try and turn the page, it appears likely to remain this way.

The countdown has begun on a triathlon event that will bring together Portuguese and foreigners alike on Saturday.

Meantime, British police, journalists, Madeleine McCann’s parents, and even the former parish priest Haynes Hubbard - who befriended the couple when their little girl went missing - are all understood to be on their way back to Luz to focus attention once again on the world’s most famous missing person.

- See more at: http://portugalresident.com/maddie-anniversary-brings-shock-new-revelations#sthash.j01hBl8X.dpuf

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Post by ultimaThule on 25.04.14 13:27

Methinks the former "British policeman who has been actively following investigations" has been reading this forum, aiyoyo   big grin 

I find it curious that Father Hubbard is intending to wing his way back to his former flock but, having gone to some lengths not to set foot on Portuguese soil together, could it be the McCanns are poised to make an appearance in Luz as King and Queen of the May?

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Post by Bishop Brennan on 25.04.14 14:39

Talking of Kings and Queens - and the every-popular Game of Thrones...




I wonder if anyone has noticed the similarity between the devious, cold-hearted blonde trying to
hide a dark family secret, and Cersei Lannister?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 25.04.14 14:43

@ultimaThule wrote:Methinks the former "British policeman who has been actively following investigations" has been reading this forum, aiyoyo   big grin 

I find it curious that Father Hubbard is intending to wing his way back to his former flock but, having gone to some lengths not to set foot on Portuguese soil together, could it be the McCanns are poised to make an appearance in Luz as King and Queen of the May?

Its a given that criminals often return to the scene of the crime,

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Post by aiyoyo on 25.04.14 14:59

Meantime, British police, journalists, Madeleine McCann’s parents, and even the former parish priest Haynes Hubbard - who befriended the couple when their little girl went missing - are all understood to be on their way back to Luz to focus attention once again on the world’s most famous missing person.

On their way back ......? err.....WHAT !

Seven years journey and they haven't arrived at destination......

It just a load of TOSH!

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Post by Monty Heck on 25.04.14 15:13

Châtelaine wrote:It's "funny" that Portuguese and ex-pats in the Algarve have never heard of this flurry of assault cases, isn't it?
Having holidayed in PDL numerous times before and since May 2007 I can confirm that we were warned to be vigilant about securing premises as there were instances of petty pilfering from holiday accommodation from time to time.  Sexual assaults on young children was never, ever discused in my hearing by any of the ex pat community.  Not even initially when the place was abuzz with the disappearance the hot topic was that there was in fact no sign whatever of a break in as claimed by the McCs.  If there had ever been so much of a hint of a child sex abuser attacking children in their holiday accommodation there is no question that local people would have been discussing it.  Redwood's latest "witness" has only now reported suffering this crime in PDL 9 years ago when she was aged 10 therefore, if true, nobody could have been aware of it.  It seems that, on the strength of an historical crime report, which must surely be impossible to corroborate at this point, SY have declared this as evidence of child sex predator/s being operational in the area and not only that, but connected to the McC case.  Quite a leap by any standards.  This farce becomes more embarrassing by the day.

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Post by Newintown on 25.04.14 15:24

@Monty Heck wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:It's "funny" that Portuguese and ex-pats in the Algarve have never heard of this flurry of assault cases, isn't it?
Having holidayed in PDL numerous times before and since May 2007 I can confirm that we were warned to be vigilant about securing premises as there were instances of petty pilfering from holiday accommodation from time to time.  Sexual assaults on young children was never, ever discused in my hearing by any of the ex pat community.  Not even initially when the place was abuzz with the disappearance the hot topic was that there was in fact no sign whatever of a break in as claimed by the McCs.  If there had ever been so much of a hint of a child sex abuser attacking children in their holiday accommodation there is no question that local people would have been discussing it.  Redwood's latest "witness" has only now reported suffering this crime in PDL 9 years ago when she was aged 10 therefore, if true, nobody could have been aware of it.  It seems that, on the strength of an historical crime report, which must surely be impossible to corroborate at this point, SY have declared this as evidence of child sex predator/s being operational in the area and not only that, but connected to the McC case.  Quite a leap by any standards.  This farce becomes more embarrassing by the day.

As the McCanns seem to have a number of paid shills it does make me wonder whether this is a desperate attempt by someone who lives in the PDL area trying to steer the investigaton away from the McCanns.  As mentioned by other posters if a nanny working at the OC can post nasty messages on Twitter, then anything is possible if the shills are under the McCanns' spell.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 25.04.14 16:25

Meantime, British police, journalists, Madeleine McCann’s parents, and even the former parish priest Haynes Hubbard - who befriended the couple when their little girl went missing - are all understood to be on their way back to Luz to focus attention once again on the world’s most famous missing person.

On their way back ......? err.....WHAT !

Seven years journey and they haven't arrived at destination......
----------------------------
........former parish priest Haynes Hubbard.

On their way back ......? err..... (FOR) WHAT?

To 'show' the PJ/Met 'where' a certain something WAS 'hidden', possibly in his church, 7 years ago?

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Post by PeterMac on 25.04.14 16:32

@jeanmonroe wrote:
To 'show' the PJ/Met 'where' a certain something WAS 'hidden', possibly in his church, 7 years ago?
And to Hear Confession, and give absolution, before the public confession outside  ?

Sorry only joking !

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Post by Newintown on 25.04.14 16:39

@jeanmonroe wrote:Meantime, British police, journalists, Madeleine McCann’s parents, and even the former parish priest Haynes Hubbard - who befriended the couple when their little girl went missing - are all understood to be on their way back to Luz to focus attention once again on the world’s most famous missing person.

On their way back ......? err.....WHAT !

Seven years journey and they haven't arrived at destination......
----------------------------
........former parish priest Haynes Hubbard.

On their way back ......? err..... (FOR) WHAT?

To 'show' the PJ/Met 'where' a certain something WAS 'hidden', possibly in his church, 7 years ago?"

The wording "on their way back" could mean anything, journalists these days don't seem to have a good command of English grammar or how put a sentence together coherently.

As for Haynes Hubbard returning to PDL, perhaps he's been "nicely requested" to attend the PJ offices in PDL for questioning by the PJ and SY (or in other words, he was made an offer he couldn't refuse).  Whatever it is I doubt the general public will be told unless someone leaks what was being asked.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 25.04.14 16:48

@PeterMac wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:
To 'show' the PJ/Met 'where' a certain something WAS 'hidden', possibly in his church, 7 years ago?
And to Hear Confession, and give absolution, before the public confession outside  ?

Sorry only joking !

Haynes Hubbard:

"praying" in PDL, 7th May 2014.

"a drink, purgatory or McCanns?"
"a drink, purgatory or McCanns?"
"a drink, purgatory or McCanns?"

NOT 'joking',................. laughat laughat laughat 

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Post by AndyB on 25.04.14 17:05

2.38 onwards is about that piece of metal they found that was thought might have come from the missing plane

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