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EUROPE Debate. Nigel Farage (UKIP) v. Nick Clegg (Lib Dems). FARAGE WINS

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EUROPE Debate. Nigel Farage (UKIP) v. Nick Clegg (Lib Dems). FARAGE WINS

Post by Tony Bennett on 26.03.14 20:51

From tonight's BBC News report:


BBC chief political correspondent Norman Smith said "there was no 'knockout blow'" and both men had given a good account of themselves and their case.

In a YouGov poll of 1,003 voters, some 57% thought that Nigel Farage had performed best in this evening's LBC debate and 36% Nick Clegg.

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Re: EUROPE Debate. Nigel Farage (UKIP) v. Nick Clegg (Lib Dems). FARAGE WINS

Post by Julchen on 26.03.14 20:59

LBC is my favourite radio station, anyway.
Hence I listened to the debate and IMO Farage won hands down.
Clegg......no comment.

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Re: EUROPE Debate. Nigel Farage (UKIP) v. Nick Clegg (Lib Dems). FARAGE WINS

Post by Guest on 26.03.14 21:13

@Julchen wrote:LBC is my favourite radio station, anyway.
Hence I listened to the debate and IMO Farage won hands down.
Clegg......no comment.

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Will you be tuning in tomorrow?  Perhaps you could give them a call.

Is that BBC London radio, Julchen, where BHH will be appearing?

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Post by Julchen on 26.03.14 21:50

LBC is nothing to to with BBC. It's a commercial radio station, used to be LBC 97.3. They droppd th 97.3 after going national earlier this month. They've been around since the mid 70s.
www.lbc.co.uk
I have them on 24/7. I will definitely listen to the aftermath discussion with Ferrari.

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P.S.: if you happen to be a night owl, listen to Steve Allen from 4am. Hilarious!

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Re: EUROPE Debate. Nigel Farage (UKIP) v. Nick Clegg (Lib Dems). FARAGE WINS

Post by Woofer on 27.03.14 0:17

From the snippets I saw, Clegg was like a piece of plastic churning out pre-programme verbals. Farage seemed real.

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Post by notlongnow on 27.03.14 0:30

My faith in mps are at an all time low and i'm afraid that i trust nothing that they spout anymore.
For the first time in my life i see no point in voting.

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Post by Julchen on 27.03.14 9:39

Listened to the show this morning and was stunned to hear that Clegg was "such a professional" and Farage "burst in sweat with incompetence". Must have been a different show. The one I watched was clearly dominated and "won" by Farage. LBC had a body language interpretor on and she emphasized just how professional Clegg's body language was.
Really? I felt he'd been practising every move in front of a mirror.

Anyway, it shows what a bunch of sleek Teflon politicians there are in this country.And they get away with it.

I received my voting registration form (strange as I am on the electoral roll,anyway) yesterday and tore it up.
Nobody and no vote will change a thing. Pity, Adenauer and de Gaulle are dead. They would definitely vote for Farage.(But probably not for the rest of his party)

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 27.03.14 10:06

Well, I guess it depends on how your mind was set before the debate doesn't it. I felt that Clegg had the upper hand, and I'm no Lib Dem.

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Post by aquila on 27.03.14 10:48

I watched it and wasn't overly impressed with either of them both seemed like a couple of toothless tigers to me.

It seems to me that my vote can go three ways

1. Vote for one of the main parties (the devil I know)
2. Vote for UKIP (the devil I don't know)
3. Don't vote at all

As there is no proportional representation it makes it all the more confusing where to place one's vote to effect maximum impact.

I hope the MSM will explain this to the UK voters in the run up to the next general election.

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Post by plebgate on 28.03.14 16:16

If Clegg was the only Politician standing I would not vote for him.    IMO he is weak and arrogant, can talk the talk but not walk the walk.

Farage is there really as a protest vote and wont get many MPs at the general election.   
UKIP would like to bring back smoking in pubs and public places so that is another reason I would never vote for them.

I cannot stand any of the political leaders, get em all out and put people in with truth and honour, but unfortunately, even if we could find one the other politicians would not stand for it.



Plus I cannot stand the smug look on Obsbourne's "putty" face.   BOO.

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Post by tiny on 28.03.14 18:04

@plebgate wrote:If Clegg was the only Politician standing I would not vote for him.    IMO he is weak and arrogant, can talk the talk but not walk the walk.

Farage is there really as a protest vote and wont get many MPs at the general election.   
UKIP would like to bring back smoking in pubs and public places so that is another reason I would never vote for them.

I cannot stand any of the political leaders, get em all out and put people in with truth and honour, but unfortunately, even if we could find one the other politicians would not stand for it.



Plus I cannot stand the smug look on Obsbourne's "putty" face.   BOO.
where you going to find people like this, i will be voting ukip they cant be any worse than the shite we have now running our country

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Post by plebgate on 28.03.14 20:08

@tiny wrote:
@plebgate wrote:If Clegg was the only Politician standing I would not vote for him.    IMO he is weak and arrogant, can talk the talk but not walk the walk.

Farage is there really as a protest vote and wont get many MPs at the general election.   
UKIP would like to bring back smoking in pubs and public places so that is another reason I would never vote for them.

I cannot stand any of the political leaders, get em all out and put people in with truth and honour, but unfortunately, even if we could find one the other politicians would not stand for it.



Plus I cannot stand the smug look on Obsbourne's "putty" face.   BOO.
where you going to find people like this, i will be voting ukip they cant be any worse than the shite we have now running our country
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2579115/Nigel-Farage-accused-paying-wife-former-mistress-using-public-money-Ukip-leader-dismisses-absolute-nonsense.

All the same at the end of the day Tiny, but I do like to think that there might be someone out there that could be found.

I will probably be voting for an independent candidate, wouldn't miss voting, but can't vote for any of the above.   Something does need to be done about the numbers coming into the country.   Don't mind if they are working and paying taxes, which many low paid workers will not be, we just do not have enough houses etc. etc. to cope with the numbers who have come and are yet to come.  IMO of course.

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Post by aquila on 29.03.14 9:28

Forthcoming tv documentary.

Nigel Farage: Who are You?

Monday 7.30pm Channel 4

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Post by Woofer on 29.03.14 10:15

Another view I agree with him on :-

Nigel Farage hits out at 'militarist' EU over Ukraine
Ukip leader says European Union pursued quasi-imperial foreign policy and encouraged Ukrainians to 'poke the Russian bear'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/28/nigel-farage-eu-miltarist-ukraine-nick-clegg

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Post by Angelique on 29.03.14 10:36

@Woofer wrote:Another view I agree with him on :-

Nigel Farage hits out at 'militarist' EU over Ukraine
Ukip leader says European Union pursued quasi-imperial foreign policy and encouraged Ukrainians to 'poke the Russian bear'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/mar/28/nigel-farage-eu-miltarist-ukraine-nick-clegg

Yes I agree with Farage about this. The EU and Obama are skittering about now trying work a way out/round this. They remind me of tribal warfare. They come out of the trees shaking sticks demanding democracy (huh) and then run back for cover and impose "sanctions"?

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Farage beats Clegg - AGAIN

Post by Tony Bennett on 02.04.14 21:44

FARAGE WINS...

...AGAIN...

...AND THIS TIME BY AN EVEN BIGGER MARGIN THAN LAST TIME.

One instant poll tonight gave the verdict to Farage by 69% to 31%.

The other one by 68% (Farage) to 27% (Clegg). 

In both cases, substantially better than a 2-1 majority

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Post by aquila on 02.04.14 21:53

@Tony Bennett wrote:FARAGE WINS...

...AGAIN...

...AND THIS TIME BY AN EVEN BIGGER MARGIN THAN LAST TIME.

One instant poll tonight gave the verdict to Farage by 69% to 31%.

The other one by 68% (Farage) to 27% (Clegg). 

In both cases, substantially better than a 2-1 majority
I watched the documentary on Farage - I don't know if you've seen it Tony.

Farage is going to have to come up with some policies soon.

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What are those UKIP policies?

Post by Tony Bennett on 02.04.14 21:59

@aquila wrote:
Farage is going to have to come up with some policies soon.
They can be viewed here, aquila:

http://www.ukip.org/issues

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Post by PeterMac on 02.04.14 22:05

@aquila wrote:

Farage is going to have to come up with some policies soon.
Many leaders have come up with very simplistic "Policies"
Single issue politicians have succeeded - Martin Bell for one
Try "Sudentenland" And then some time later "Poland"
Don't confuse people with all embracing economic solutions and long term prospects.
Half don't understand, half of the rest don't care, and half of the rest are too stupid.
Just choose One thing, tell them that they believe in it, and promise that.

That is the great danger of parties like UKIP, the BNP, (and for that matter - Socialists / communists !)

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Post by aquila on 02.04.14 22:17

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aquila wrote:
Farage is going to have to come up with some policies soon.
They can be viewed here, aquila:

http://www.ukip.org/issues
Thank you Tony.

I sincerely hope Farage will explain how he intends to do all this.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.04.14 22:35

@PeterMac wrote:
@aquila wrote:

Farage is going to have to come up with some policies soon.
Many leaders have come up with very simplistic "Policies"
Single issue politicians have succeeded - Martin Bell for one
Try "Sudentenland"   And then some time later "Poland"
Don't confuse people with all embracing economic solutions and long term prospects.
Half don't understand, half of the rest don't care, and half of the rest are too stupid.
Just choose One thing, tell them that they believe in it, and promise that.

That is the great danger of parties like UKIP, the BNP, (and for that matter - Socialists / communists !)
UKIP could be eliminated in 3 years' time.

The Conservatives get re-elected with an overall majority.

They hold an IN/OUT referendum in 2017, as promised.

The British people vote to become independent again.

UKiP's 'raison d'etre' vanishes at a stroke.  

They are finished.

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Post by Woofer on 02.04.14 23:02

Rather worrying that Farage said tonight he would promote fracking   nah 

It annoys me that the two constant sources of our earth`s energy are the sun and the moon.  Solar power could be developed more.  But when is someone going to push for tidal and/or wave power.  The movement of the seas back and forth twice a day under the pull of the moon is a massive surge of energy.  Why not capture this massive movement of water in and out of harbours twice a day - it will always be there as long as the moon is there.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 02.04.14 23:54

@Woofer wrote:Rather worrying that Farage said tonight he would promote fracking    

It annoys me that the two constant sources of our earth`s energy are the sun and the moon.  Solar power could be developed more.  But when is someone going to push for tidal and/or wave power.  The movement of the seas back and forth twice a day under the pull of the moon is a massive surge of energy.  Why not capture this massive movement of water in and out of harbours twice a day - it will always be there as long as the moon is there.

Even Liberal Democrat voters said Farage won: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/02/poll-farage-clegg-tv-debate


P.S. What precisely is wrong with fracking? The U.S.A.'s been doing it for 20 years with huge success and minimal associated problems - and their energy bills are down by a third to a half as a result.

We have massive shale gas reserves.

What's not to like about fracking?

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Post by Woofer on 03.04.14 9:07

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Woofer wrote:Rather worrying that Farage said tonight he would promote fracking    

It annoys me that the two constant sources of our earth`s energy are the sun and the moon.  Solar power could be developed more.  But when is someone going to push for tidal and/or wave power.  The movement of the seas back and forth twice a day under the pull of the moon is a massive surge of energy.  Why not capture this massive movement of water in and out of harbours twice a day - it will always be there as long as the moon is there.

Even Liberal Democrat voters said Farage won: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/02/poll-farage-clegg-tv-debate


P.S. What precisely is wrong with fracking? The U.S.A.'s been doing it for 20 years with huge success and minimal associated problems - and their energy bills are down by a third to a half as a result.

We have massive shale gas reserves.

What's not to like about fracking?

I assume you`re joking Tony - I never can tell with you.  I don`t want to divert this thread onto the pros and cons of fracking but for anyone that wants a link :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dEB_Wwe-uBM

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Post by Julchen on 03.04.14 10:27

Clegg turning into a hysterically yipping terrier.....

Problem with Farage and UKIP is that Farage is one thing, UKIP quite another.
We got one of these purple leaflets through the door and the contents is higly worrying!
So worrying that I went onto the UKIP's website to find out wether this was genuine or not (I felt BNP could jump on the UKIP band waggon). To my utter horror and disgust I found IT IS GENUINE!

I don't know what to make of this contradiction. To me Farage speaks sense, but then again, would I vote for just one person being igrnorant about the policies of "the real thing", i.e. UKIP as a political party?

Let me put it this way: IMO Farage is simply in the wrong party. He might be a great asset for "real" Tories....but with this purple lot???? Hardly convincing as a potential leader of a country.

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