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CRIMEWATCH Update on MadeleineMcCann case tonight 19th March

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Post by ChippyM on 19.03.14 12:31

This from the guardian is interesting,

"While I completely accept that there are differences (between the break-ins and the McCann case), there is no abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann.
"It is really critical for us to identify this offender and prove or disprove whether he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance."
Redwood said that if names are put forward, his team will be able to eliminate suspects from their inquiry. This suggests that police have DNA on file."




THere is NO abduction, as far as I can see!?    does he mean, no abduction of MM outright, or no abduction in these other cases?


Eliminating suspects with DNA.....well it's not DNA that has come from apartment 5a is it?   


   On reading this I'm back to feeling like Andy Redwood is playing games again and not necessarily in the Mc's favour.

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 19.03.14 12:33

@nomendelta wrote:Many of us like to think that SY are playing the long game ... but to what actual end? Surely after the information they've been sent and access to the files, if they were gonna go for the McCanns they'd have done so by now? Especially given the massive expense and longevity of the review/investigation.

Put it another way - say the enquiry goes on for another year at which point there's a breakthrough and they charge the parents. How's that going to look good for SY in any way shape of form? The public reaction would be split between hatred and revulsion at the parents and disbelief at police incompetence that it took years to work it out.

This case has highlighted how the UK authorities and media work together and treat the public as idiots.

Once they declared publicly the parents as innocent or not persons of interest, any notion of future arrest went out the window. In fact it was quite deliberate. What Grange has been doing via their mouthpiece is steer conversation down a different path and away from forensics. People ask why Grange hasn't addressed this - they dont have to because no one will challenge them other than internet forums.

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Re: CRIMEWATCH Update on MadeleineMcCann case tonight 19th March

Post by aiyoyo on 19.03.14 12:35

Oh Lordie Lordie Lord, same old tripe ?  

Appeal for a sex fiend to come forward ? Truly priceless!  As if he would !

All this forewarning publicity.....this sexual predator is just going to turn himself in or hang around ?

I'm speechless !  

Wonder whether they'd the consensus of the PJ for this appeal ?

ETA : BTW why didn't Brit families that were victims of the assault come forward ?

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Post by Guest on 19.03.14 12:37

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Dont you just love the clothing, designed to blend in.I am surprised they are not referring to him as their "Target".

It's Juan Pablo Montoya.

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Post by sami on 19.03.14 12:39

@aiyoyo wrote:

Wonder whether they'd the consensus of the PJ for this appeal ?




The reported disagreement between the two forces with ILORs springs to mind.

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Post by tasprin on 19.03.14 12:43

Apparently he was a swarthy foreigner with a bad odour who targeted white British children


Met Police

New appeal following the disappearance of Madeleine McCann

English    Nederlands    Deutsche   Português

Officers from Operation Grange investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann have today issued a further appeal for information.
During the course of their enquiries, officers have identified a potential linked series of twelve crimes which occurred between 2004 and 2010, mostly in low season, whereby a male intruder has gained access to mainly holiday villas occupied by UK families on holiday in the Western Algarve.

In four cases between 2004 and 2006 the man sexually assaulted 5 white girls, aged between 7 and 10 years, whilst in their beds. On one of these occasions, he assaulted two girls in the same villa.

Whilst not identical, there are many similar aspects to each of the incidents in that in most cases there were no signs of forced entry to the property, nothing was taken, and the intruder appeared in the early hours of the morning between 02.00hrs and 05.00hrs.

The suspect may have been in the villa or looking round the villa for some time before committing the offences or being disturbed either by a parent, or the child waking up.

He remained calm, even when disturbed.

On two occasions the noise of a bin collection lorry could be heard nearby.

Of the twelve offences, there were four in Carvoeiro, six in the Vale da Parra , Praia da Gale district and two in Praia da Luz.

Witnesses describe the man as having dark (as in tanned) skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke in English with a foreign accent, his voice was described as slow, or possibly slurred.

He was sometimes bare chested, some describe him as having a pot belly, and three victims said that he had a noticeable odour
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On two occasions in Vale de Parra and Praia da Gale he was wearing a distinctive burgundy long sleeve top, on one of those occasions it was described as having a white circle on the back.

DCI Andy Redwood, the senior investigating officer said today, “We need to establish the identity of this man. “These offences are very serious and no one has been charged in connection with them. We also need to eliminate this man from our enquiries and ascertain whether these offences are linked to Madeleine’s disappearance.

“If you have been a victim of a similar crime please come forward even if you reported the incident to police in Portugal, or anywhere else, please do not assume we have been made aware of it .

“While some of these offences have been in the public domain before, following our appeal in October three more were reported to us as a direct result of that appeal. One of those reports we believe is the first in the potential series.

“Please call us on 0800 0961011 if you are within the UK. The number for non-UK residents is +44 207 1580 126. Alternatively if you do not want to speak to us directly you can contact Crimestoppers anonymously on 0800 555 111.

“Our appeal last year was very successful and we had over 5,000 calls which generated new information for us and which we continue to investigate.

“We still need to establish the identity of a man seen by three witnesses, carrying a child fitting Madeleine's description towards the beach or town areas at about 2200 on the night Madeleine disappeared. The witnesses have described the man in the e-fits as being white, aged in his 30s, with short brown hair, of medium build, medium height and clean shaven.

"The Metropolitan Police Service continues to offer a reward of up to £20,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. "

Previous appeal
Police still need to identify this man:

http://www.met.police.uk/madeleine-mccann-appeal/

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Post by Nelly6969 on 19.03.14 12:46

I agree, this part is very interesting, wonder what he means? but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann.ChippyM wrote:This from the guardian is interesting,

[size=13.63636302947998]"While I completely accept that there are differences (between the break-ins and the McCann case), there is no abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann.[/size]
[size=13.63636302947998]"It is really critical for us to identify this offender and prove or disprove whether he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance."[/size]
[size=13.63636302947998]Redwood said that if names are put forward, his team will be able to eliminate suspects from their inquiry. This suggests that police have DNA on file."[/size]




THere is NO abduction, as far as I can see!?    does he mean, no abduction of MM outright, or no abduction in these other cases?


Eliminating suspects with DNA.....well it's not DNA that has come from apartment 5a is it?   


   On reading this I'm back to feeling like Andy Redwood is playing games again and not necessarily in the Mc's favour.

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 19.03.14 12:48

Why are the MET police looking for the person only in relation to Madeleine and not for the 12 alleged victims?

Why hasn't an ILOR been sent to Portugal in relation to these 12 alleged victims?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.03.14 12:49

"While I completely accept that there are differences (between the break-ins and the McCann case), there is no abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann.

"It is really critical for us to identify this offender and prove or disprove whether he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance."
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FFS ANDY!

"there is NO abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted"

NO 'abduction' BUT DCI Redwood 'assumes' from THAT, 'NO ABDUCTION' that Madeleine McCann HAS been 'abducted'!!!!!!!!!!!

(Andy's 'elites' MANTRA, chanted every morning, for half an hour, "stick to the 'remit' stick to the 'remit')

What fcuking planet is Redwood living on?

Never 'assume' anything Redwood

It will make an ASS out of U and ME!


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Post by ChippyM on 19.03.14 12:53

Jeanmonroe - don't you think that reads like some kind of convoluted gobbledigook that just almost sounds like he is admitting theres No abduction?  and trying to say that some people have been led to believe there was one when there wasn't?

That's what I thought, kind of like he's talking in code.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.03.14 12:55

Witnesses describe the man as having dark (as in tanned) skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke in English with a foreign accent, his voice was described as slow, or possibly slurred.
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So, the 'witnesses' had a 'chat' with the man.?

To be able to discern that he spoke English with a foreign (good to see they got the 'foreign' bit in and not British 'holiday makers') accent!

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Post by Bishop Brennan on 19.03.14 12:58

This is an act of utter desperation from SY.  Having publicly abandoned their original remit (to assist the Portuguese police) and started their own investigation, they are now looking to solve ANOTHER Portuguese cold case over which they have zero jurisdiction! Simply to rule out some unknown (but swarthy) offender.

This is crazy talk. 

Someone needs to have a word with AR. To quietly point out the original remit and just how far he has drifted from it. He seems to have lost the plot completely. No longer content to chase shadows from the MM case, he has now set his team after the ghosts of an entirely different and unrelated set of crimes! 

Perhaps the frustration of making absolutely zero progress in 3 years with a massive £7m budget and team of 38 has got to him?  I imagine his team are cringing at the reports today, as well they might.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 19.03.14 12:58

@ChippyM wrote:This from the guardian is interesting,

"While I completely accept that there are differences (between the break-ins and the McCann case), there is no abduction that we can see, but the assumption from that is that Madeleine McCann has been abducted. That may not necessarily follow with all our thinking about what may have become of Madeleine McCann.

"It is really critical for us to identify this offender and prove or disprove whether he was involved in Madeleine's disappearance."
Redwood said that if names are put forward, his team will be able to eliminate suspects from their inquiry. This suggests that police have DNA on file."

Hmmm, he's got a few problems there.

1. He's got to work out who the offender is, for starters.

2. He's got to do that in a foreign country.

3. That foreign country (Portugal) is working on wholly different lines of enquiry.

4. There is no evidence that the two forces are already working closely together.

5. The Portuguese Police have had 10 years and still don't know who this bloke is.

6. IF he is found, how to prove (or disprove) that he was 'involved' in Madeleine's disappearance.

7. Hard to prove without any of his DNA or other forensic traces in Apartment G5A.

8. Was Madeleine dead when he abducted her? The dogs' evidence still has to be explained somehow, even if Redwood doesn't want to, or (more probably) has been directed to ignore it.   


'SixMillionQuid' said that the establishment and their friends in the meida are 'treating us like idiots'.

Yes they are.

And not only about Madeleine McCann.

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 19.03.14 12:59

@tasprin wrote:
“Our appeal last year was very successful and we had over 5,000 calls which generated new information for us and which we continue to investigate.

“We still need to establish the identity of a man seen by three witnesses, carrying a child fitting Madeleine's description towards the beach or town areas at about 2200 on the night Madeleine disappeared. The witnesses have described the man in the e-fits as being white, aged in his 30s, with short brown hair, of medium build, medium height and clean shaven.

"The Metropolitan Police Service continues to offer a reward of up to £20,000 for information leading to the identification, arrest and prosecution of the person(s) responsible for the abduction of Madeleine McCann from Praia da Luz, Portugal on 3 May 2007. "

Previous appeal
Police still need to identify this man:

http://www.met.police.uk/madeleine-mccann-appeal/
5000 people called last year and not one of them could not put a name the above photos.

As uncle Phil said in the Fresh Prince "Do you take me for a fool?"

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Post by Tony Bennett on 19.03.14 13:00

@Bishop Brennan wrote: I imagine his team are cringing at the reports today, as well they might.
I imagine them laughing

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Post by PeterMac on 19.03.14 13:00

So pleased to see that he fits the profile,
Foreign accent, (even though he speaks English, naturally, but with whom ?)
Smells funny,
Slurs his words,
Walks with a limp,
has funny clothing,
targets British girls


Bit of a cad really !

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 19.03.14 13:01

@jeanmonroe wrote:Witnesses describe the man as having dark (as in tanned) skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke in English with a foreign accent, his voice was described as slow, or possibly slurred.
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So, the 'witnesses' had a 'chat' with the man.?

To be able to discern that he spoke English with a foreign (good to see they got the 'foreign' bit in and not British 'holiday makers') accent!
Yes jean I suspected earlier that he must have carried out an Englishness test before carrying the attacks. You get the booby prize of you pass.

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Post by Doug D on 19.03.14 13:03

Been following this story on other threads, but the only possible ray of hope I can suggest is that this is just another elimination prospect that Uncle Andy has to follow in his endeavours to eventually 'prove the circumstantial'.

He's managed to cross off the three bunglers from his list now and this is just the next one in line for him to prove not involved. 

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 19.03.14 13:03

I'm at the mid-point of a work 'away day'. I didn't think my day could get any worse but it just has.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.03.14 13:04

@ChippyM wrote:Jeanmonroe - don't you think that reads like some kind of convoluted gobbledigook that just almost sounds like he is admitting theres No abduction?  and trying to say that some people have been led to believe there was one when there wasn't?

That's what I thought, kind of like he's talking in code.

DCI Redwood is on a par with his EX boss, of over 2 years, Hamish Campbell who 'stitched up', an innocent man, jailed for YEARS, for a crime he did not commit'

"The apple never falls far from the tree"!

all. imo, obviously.

What a professional criminal profiler will THINK of the latest 'charade' from the DCI Redwood/Met is anyones guess!!

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The individual has been seen, described as having a surprised look on his face, wearing this t-shirt.

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Post by ChippyM on 19.03.14 13:10

@SixMillionQuid wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:Witnesses describe the man as having dark (as in tanned) skin with short dark unkempt hair. He spoke in English with a foreign accent, his voice was described as slow, or possibly slurred.
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So, the 'witnesses' had a 'chat' with the man.?

To be able to discern that he spoke English with a foreign (good to see they got the 'foreign' bit in and not British 'holiday makers') accent!
Yes jean I suspected earlier that he must have carried out an Englishness test before carrying the attacks. You get the booby prize of you pass.


I imagine what happened is, the parents caught this man in their kids bed. They said something like "You there, sweaty swarthy foreign fellow! Get out of my child's bed, I hope you weren't up to anything suspicious".  To which the foreign man replied " OK guv, of course not "  as he calmly walked from the villa.

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Post by SixMillionQuid on 19.03.14 13:14

On BBC news now. It is alleged British families reported the incidents to Portugese police but PJ failed to report to UK police. These incidents only came to light after last autumns appeal.

My question: When did these families first report the incidents to the PJ? Was it at the time of the incidents or last autumn?

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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.03.14 13:15

SixMillionQuid wrote:

5000 people called last year and not one of them could not put a name the above photos.
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Well 5000 people. imo, DID 'put a name' to the 'suspect' but it was NOT the 'name' DCI Redwood's 'elites' wanted to HEAR!

 laughat laughat laughat

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Post by mouse on 19.03.14 13:18

To quote a now well worn phrase on this forum "I'm not buying it!!!"


Just when you thought they couldn't sound any more implausible - they just go out there and hit us with another 'Breaking News Update" Wow - I thought my faith in SY had hit rock bottom, but no we're digging lower and lower still....Right into a hole that I feel they can't get out of. And how they are going to turn their reputation around now....after all the recent controversy on other issues....who knows? But I reckon I'd be handing my notice in if I were in their PR Dept. right now. Maybe AR is due for early retirement....?

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