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Post by Guest on 17.03.14 10:07

@PeterMac wrote:But this referendum may lead to another European War.

No it wont't per se

What might though, is if  the wishes of the majority of a population would be discarded for geopolitical reasons

And if I were a Ukranian, I'd take one look at the golden taps in my ex-presidents bathroom, and run for Putin, assuming for a moment the Russians don't' behave with the same amount of insensitive shamelessness; somehow Putin doesn't strike me as a kleptocrat

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Post by Lance De Boils on 17.03.14 11:13

The Five Power Defence Arrangements (FPDA) are a series of defence relationships established by a series of bilateral agreements between the United Kingdom, Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia and Singapore (all Commonwealth members) signed in 1971, whereby the five states will consult each other in the event of external aggression or threat of attack against Peninsular Malaysia...
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..."Under the Five Powers Defence Arrangements, the five powers (Australia, New Zealand, Malaysia, Singapore and the UK) undertook to consult "immediately" in the event or threat of an armed attack on Malaysia or Singapore "for the purpose of deciding what measures should be taken jointly or separately" in response. There is no specific commitment to intervene militarily.


The FPDA provides for defence co-operation, and for an Integrated Air Defence System (IADS) for Peninsular Malaysia and Singapore based at RMAF Butterworth under the command of an Australian Air Vice-Marshal (2-star). RMAF Butterworth, until 1988 under the control of the Royal Australian Air Force, is now run by the Royal Malaysian Air Force but hosts rotating detachments of aircraft and personnel from all five countries.


In 1981, the five powers organised the first annual land and naval exercises. Since 1997, the naval and air exercises have been combined. In 2001, HQ IADS was redesignated Headquarters Integrated "Area" Defence System. It now has personnel from all three branches of the armed services, and co-ordinates the annual five-power naval and air exercises, while moving towards the fuller integration of land elements. An annual FPDA Defence Chiefs' Conference (FDCC) in hosted by either Malaysia or Singapore, and is the highest military professional forum of the FPDA and serves as an important platform for dialogue and exchange of views among the Defence Chiefs. There is also a Five Powers Defence Arrangements Ministerial Meeting (FDMM).


John Moore, then Minister for Defence of Australia said, "As an established multilateral security framework, the FPDA has a unique role in Asia. It is of strategic benefit to all member nations and, in Australia's view, to the wider Asia-Pacific region."[4] Malaysia's CDF, General (GEN) Tan Sri Dato' Sri Zulkifeli Bin Mohd Zin concurred: "We can help each other... and cooperate with one another."[5]

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The UK has the following personnel and facilities based in Malaysia and Singapore in support of the FPDA: a small Naval facility at Sembawang in Singapore and staff in the Integrated Area Defence System Headquarters (HQ IADS) at Butterworth in Malaysia. Staff at Sembawang total one Commander Royal Navy (who also serves as the Assistant Defence Attaché to Singapore), one Chief Petty Officer, one Petty officer and three Ministry of Defence civil servants. This has remained constant for the last 10 years. In HQ IADS, it is one Wing Commander, one Squadron Leader, one Lieutenant Commander, one Major and one other rank.

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Re: Missing Flight MH370

Post by aiyoyo on 17.03.14 12:19

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
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GPS (on the phone) vs no GPS (on the plane).

You'd think think they would equip plane with GPS don't you ?

Never mind that, it should still have been visible to regular radar - turning off the transponder doesn't magically turn it into a stealth plane.

The most credible destination I have read of is the US/UK militarised enclave of Diego Garcia.

I agree, in this age of modern technology nothing can escape radar/satellite detection.
Nothing that size can disappear into thin air without trace.  Even disintegrated and pulverized matter leaves traces.

Diego Garcia is a British Indian Ocean Territory occupied by US Military base (ironically the base camp is called " Camp Justice" ) leased by Harold Wilson's government in the 1960s to US to spy on Soviet activity during the height of the Cold War.  The current occupation of Crimea by Russia threatening another cold war renders the speculation (taken to DG) plausible even remotely, but not possible IMO.

If taken to the British Colony Island it would mean someone inside that flight is connected to British or American espionage agency, not impossible.  But what would they do with the passengers since the natives of Diego Garcia were forced out of their island without right to return just so that US can have an uninhabited island to suit their purpose ?  Too messy and complicated, hence it is just not possible IMO.

No plane would be allowed anywhere near the American Military base and not be warned or shot down to start with, so you have to presume if any plane is found to be hovering in a no-go zone it would be shot down.  

Well if the American had shot it down, then that would explain the eerie silence, there would be a massive cover up.  Just a thought.

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Post by Guest on 17.03.14 14:38

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:
GPS (on the phone) vs no GPS (on the plane).

You'd think think they would equip plane with GPS don't you ?

Never mind that, it should still have been visible to regular radar - turning off the transponder doesn't magically turn it into a stealth plane.

The most credible destination I have read of is the US/UK militarised enclave of Diego Garcia.

To do what?

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Post by sar on 17.03.14 14:52

My thoughts go out to family and friends of those involved.

I'm wondering why it took a plane going missing to detect two people travelling on stolen / false passports?  So you only check passports on flights where a plane has crashed into the sea / been hijacked / gone missing??  Or are they saying every day there are millions (and it can only be millions if you consider the number of flights there are Vs the number of people detected) flying around the globe on false passports?  A difficult way to rationalise all that technology / defence spending.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 17.03.14 16:55

Russia “Puzzled” Over Malaysia Airlines “Capture” By US Navy
Posted by EU Times on Mar 14th, 2014 // 16 Comments




A new report circulating in the Kremlin today prepared by the Main Intelligence Directorate of the General Staff of the Armed Forces (GRU) states that Aerospace Defence Forces (VKO) experts remain “puzzled” as to why the United States Navy “captured and then diverted” a Malaysia Airlines civilian aircraft from its intended flight-path to their vast and highly-secretive Indian Ocean base located on the Diego Garcia atoll.


According to this report, Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 (also marketed as China Southern Airlines flight 748 through a codeshare) was a scheduled passenger flight from Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, to Beijing, China, when on 8 March this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft “disappeared” in flight with 227 passengers on board from 15 countries, most of whom were Chinese, and 12 crew members.


Interesting to note, this report says, was that Flight 370 was already under GRU “surveillance” after it received a “highly suspicious” cargo load that had been traced to the Indian Ocean nation Republic of Seychelles, and where it had previously been aboard the US-flagged container ship MV Maersk Alabama.

What first aroused GRU suspicions regarding the MV Maersk Alabama, this report continues, was that within 24-hours of off-loading this “highly suspicious” cargo load bound for Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, the two highly-trained US Navy Seals assigned to protect it, Mark Daniel Kennedy, 43, and Jeffrey Keith Reynolds, 44, were found dead under “suspicious circumstances.”


Both Kennedy and Reynolds, this report says, were employed by the Virginia Beach, Virginia-based maritime security firm The Trident Group which was founded by US Navy Special Operations Personnel (SEAL’s) and Senior US Naval Surface Warfare Officers and has long been known by the GRU to protect vital transfers of both atomic and biological materials throughout the world.




Upon GRU “assests” confirming that this “highly suspicious” cargo was aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 on 8 March, this report notes, Moscow notified China’s Ministry of State Security (MSS) of their concerns and received “assurances” that “all measures” would be taken as to ascertain what was being kept so hidden when this aircraft entered into their airspace.


However, this report says, and as yet for still unknown reasons, the MSS was preparing to divert Flight 370 from its scheduled destination of Beijing to Haikou Meilan International Airport (HAK) located in Hainan Province (aka Hainan Island).


Prior to entering the People Liberation Army (PLA) protected zones of the South China Sea known as the Spratly Islands, this report continues, Flight 370 “significantly deviated” from its flight course and was tracked by VKO satellites and radar flying into the Indian Ocean region and completing its nearly 3,447 kilometer (2,142 miles) flight to Diego Garcia.


Critical to note about Flight 370’s flight deviation, GRU experts in this report say, was that it occurred during the same time period that all of the Spratly Island mobile phone communications operated by China Mobile were being jammed.



China Mobile, it should be noted, extended phone coverage in the Spratly Islands in 2011 so that PLA soldiers stationed on the islands, fishermen, and merchant vessels within the area would be able to use mobile services, and can also provide assistance during storms and sea rescues.


As to how the US Navy was able to divert Flight 370 to its Diego Garcia base, this report says, appears to have been accomplished remotely as this Boeing 777-200ER aircraft is equipped with a fly-by-wire (FBW) system that replaces the conventional manual flight controls of an aircraft with an electronic interface allowing it to be controlled like any drone-type aircraft.


However, this report notes, though this aircraft can be controlled remotely, the same cannot be said of its communication systems which can only be shut down manually; and in the case of Flight 370, its data reporting system was shut down at 1:07 a.m., followed by its transponder (which transmits location and altitude) which was shut down at 1:21 a.m.


What remains “perplexing” about this incident, GRU analysts in this report say, are why the American mainstream media outlets have yet to demand from the Obama regime the radar plots and satellite images of the Indian Ocean and South China Sea regions as the US military covers this entire area from Diego Garcia like no other seas in the world due to its vital shipping and air lanes.


Most sadly, this report concludes, the US is actually able to conceal the reason(s) for the “disappearance” of Flight 370 as they have already done so after the events of 11 September 2011 when the then Bush regime “disappeared” American Airlines Flight 77 and its 64 passengers and crew after falsely claiming it hit the Pentagon, but which was confirmed by the CNN News Service not to have happened.

http://www.eutimes.net/2014/03/russia-puzzled-over-malaysia-airlines-capture-by-us-navy/

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Post by tigger on 17.03.14 19:11

There was also Kamchatka in the eighties - the US were using passenger planes for spying purposes.

Not that I approve of the Russians shooting it down, but it was off course over a sensitive region.

That 'acccident' didn't feature in the press for very lomg - curiously.

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Post by aiyoyo on 17.03.14 19:30

@PeterMac wrote:But this referendum may lead to another European War.

Some believe Politicians like to go to war.  Besides showing their power, creating war justifies their war industry and astronomical defense expenditure which otherwise will get no return on investment if war equipment, ammunition and war transport vehicles/tanks et al are just sitting like white elephants.
Only by going to war then Governments can justify the high maintenance of the war products manufacturing and industry.

Some believe war regenerates economy in the long run.

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Re: Missing Flight MH370

Post by Tony Bennett on 17.03.14 21:17

Thank you LdB for the report from EU TImes.

This forum is about a mystery abduction, indeed, a 'complete mystery' according to Clarence Mitchell.

The disappearance of Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 is another such mystery abduction which shows no immediate signs of being solved.

What I think we now know

1. Plane flew in the correct flight path about for one hour with 259 passengers

2. As it flew to the border of Malaysian/Vietnamese air space, some of its electronic signals and finally its transponder were deliberately turned off, so that people would not know where it was going

3. It then flew westwards for about 5 to 7 hours

4. The pilots do not appear to be terrorists, but the chief pilot is something of a maverick and a strong supporter of the main Malaysian Oppposition Party

5. There were 20 air communications experts on board, from a multinational company based in the U.S. and Malaysia - 'Freescale'

6. There were two Iranians on board with false (stolen) passports

7. It had a mysterious cargo aboard.

The main theories so far   

1. Mechanical failure - all but ruled out

2. Pilot suicide - deliberately 'dived' the plane - all but ruled out

3. Pilot 'suicide by cop' - i.e. hoping someone's military would shoot it down

4. Hijack: 'Fly us to a safe place of our choosing', or

5. Abduction by aviation experts on board to a pre-arranged location.

If abduction, the main motives which have been speculated so far:

1. Muslims flying the plane to an Islamic country for political reasons, possibly to support the Uighurs in N.W. China (two Iranias with false passports on board, and mostly Chinese passengers)

2. Flown to a pre-arranged location because it had a dangerous or useful cargo aboard, say biological or nuclear weapons material 

3. Flown to steal what is said to be a cargo of gold - possibly Ukrainian gold that the Ukrainians wanted to secrete away from the Russians

4. Simply stolen - i.e. a case of theft of an aircraft, possibly even some form of insurance scam
 
5. Conspiracy theories: Illuminati capture to make us all frightened, or even, at the wackiest end of the spectrum, alien abduction.


Against that background, delberate, pre-planned abduction of the plane by the U.S. to Diego Garcia does look, at the very least, a feasible explanation.

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Re: Missing Flight MH370

Post by Lance De Boils on 17.03.14 21:36

It's an interesting take on things. (The article.) And one that's more convincing than what's so far been reported by the MSM.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 17.03.14 21:45

@Lance De Boils wrote:It's an interesting take on things. (The article.) And one that's more convincing than what's so far been reported by the MSM.
Here's another theory going the rounds FWIW.

I have no means of checking the (alleged) facts:

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Four days after flight MH370 goes missing, a patent is approved.

4 of the 5 Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX.

The fifth is the company itself.

Each patent is divided into 20% increments to the 5 holders -

Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Freescale Semiconductor (20%)

If a patent holder dies, the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased, so long as it's not disputed in a will.


If 4 of the 5 Patent holders die, then the remaining Patent holder gets 100% of the wealth of the patent.

That remaining Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.

Who owns Freescale Semiconductor?

Answer - Jacob Rothschild.

He owns it through Blackstone who themselves own Freescale.

All 4 Chinese Patent members were (allegedly) passengers on the missing plane.

Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs.


However, they can only do that when the Patent is approved.

So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved.

As soon as the plane went missing, in other words 'operation successful' the Patent is approved & thank you very much!

Jacob Rothschild becomes the 100% Patent holder, that is once the other 4 Patent holders are declared deceased. 

+++++++++++++++++++

I mentioned Illuminati-related theories before.

Maybe a conspiracy theorist has just made this story up?

Or maybe not?

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Re: Missing Flight MH370

Post by justathought on 17.03.14 22:00

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:It's an interesting take on things. (The article.) And one that's more convincing than what's so far been reported by the MSM.
Here's another theory going the rounds FWIW.

I have no means of checking the (alleged) facts:

++++++++++++++++

Four days after flight MH370 goes missing, a patent is approved.

4 of the 5 Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX.

The fifth is the company itself.

Each patent is divided into 20% increments to the 5 holders -

Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Freescale Semiconductor (20%)

If a patent holder dies, the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased, so long as it's not disputed in a will.


If 4 of the 5 Patent holders die, then the remaining Patent holder gets 100% of the wealth of the patent.

That remaining Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.

Who owns Freescale Semiconductor?

Answer - Jacob Rothschild.

He owns it through Blackstone who themselves own Freescale.

All 4 Chinese Patent members were (allegedly) passengers on the missing plane.

Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs.


However, they can only do that when the Patent is approved.

So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved.

As soon as the plane went missing, in other words 'operation successful' the Patent is approved & thank you very much!

Jacob Rothschild becomes the 100% Patent holder, that is once the other 4 Patent holders are declared deceased. 

+++++++++++++++++++

I mentioned Illuminati-related theories before.

Maybe a conspiracy theorist has just made this story up?

Or maybe not?
Mr Bennett
Hopefully as with the Madeleine case, the story of M370 will unfold with the passage of time.
Patience is needed.

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Re: Missing Flight MH370

Post by Woofer on 17.03.14 22:01

Re: 4/5 patent theory ......  this seems far too obvious.

As far fetched as a person taking out life insurance on his spouse and then her dying mysteriously in the next 4 days.

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Post by Guest on 17.03.14 22:06

@justathought wrote:
Mr Bennett
Hopefully as with the Madeleine case, the story of M370 will unfold with the passage of time.
Patience is needed.

Maybe this plane mystery is the new media fabrication to keep all the "internet nutters" occupied for the next seven years?

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Post by PeterMac on 18.03.14 8:25

The relatives are all going on 'Hunger Strike"
Very helpful.
About as useful as "Keeping Vigil" to find a missing child.

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Post by Guest on 18.03.14 8:43

Is there anything in the world that the ROTHSCHILD's don't control or own....

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Post by Tony Bennett on 18.03.14 8:44

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Lance De Boils wrote:It's an interesting take on things. (The article.) And one that's more convincing than what's so far been reported by the MSM.
Here's another theory going the rounds FWIW.

I have no means of checking the (alleged) facts:

++++++++++++++++

Four days after flight MH370 goes missing, a patent is approved.

4 of the 5 Patent holders are Chinese employees of Freescale Semiconductor of Austin TX.

The fifth is the company itself.

Each patent is divided into 20% increments to the 5 holders -

Peidong Wang, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhijun Chen, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Zhihong Cheng, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Li Ying, Suzhou, China, (20%)
Freescale Semiconductor (20%)

If a patent holder dies, the remaining holders equally share the dividends of the deceased, so long as it's not disputed in a will.


If 4 of the 5 Patent holders die, then the remaining Patent holder gets 100% of the wealth of the patent.

That remaining Patent holder is Freescale Semiconductor.

Who owns Freescale Semiconductor?

Answer - Jacob Rothschild.

He owns it through Blackstone who themselves own Freescale.

All 4 Chinese Patent members were (allegedly) passengers on the missing plane.

Patent holders can alter the proceeds legally by passing wealth to their heirs.


However, they can only do that when the Patent is approved.

So when the plane went missing, the patent had not been approved.

As soon as the plane went missing, in other words 'operation successful' the Patent is approved & thank you very much!

Jacob Rothschild becomes the 100% Patent holder, that is once the other 4 Patent holders are declared deceased. 

+++++++++++++++++++

I mentioned Illuminati-related theories before.

Maybe a conspiracy theorist has just made this story up?

Or maybe not?
Snopes has a detailed reply to this, pronouncing it another internet hoax:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/malaysiapatent.asp

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.03.14 9:14

DIPLOMATIC TENSIONS

Some U.S. officials have expressed frustration at Malaysia's handling of the investigation. The Malaysian government still had not invited the FBI to send a team to Kuala Lumpur by Monday, two U.S. security officials said.

Waiting for an invitation?

Malaysia's Defence and Acting Transport Minister, Hishammuddin Hussein, told Reuters the country was co-operating with the FBI.

"I have been working with them," he said on Tuesday. "It's up for the FBI to tell us if they need more experts to help because it's not for us to know what they have."

What ! Don't know what a super power country has to offer ? OMG

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Re: Missing Flight MH370

Post by aiyoyo on 18.03.14 9:17

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@justathought wrote:
Mr Bennett
Hopefully as with the Madeleine case, the story of M370 will unfold with the passage of time.
Patience is needed.

Maybe this plane mystery is the new media fabrication to keep all the "internet nutters" occupied for the next seven years?

Yeah, an alien abduction that maybe Uncle Sam has to dispatch investigators to outer space to probe for clues, and that should last a proper time.

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Missing flight - the italian stolen passport

Post by Clocker on 18.03.14 9:56

My query is probably very trivial in the big picture of things but, iirc, on a very early report regarding this missing flight, a story came on of an Italian guy who had apparently contacted his family to let them know if they heard he was on that flight then not to worry as it wasn't him, it was someone using his passport that he had had stolen some months earlier. Apparently he had seen a list of the passengers and recognised his own name on it. His father at that stage didn't even know there was a plane missing so had no worries whatsoever but, unless I have missed something which is possible as I have not read every article on this missing plane, I have never seen a full list of passenger names so I'm baffled as to how come the Italian guy had seen one on that, iirc, first day.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 18.03.14 10:22

@Clocker wrote:My query is probably very trivial in the big picture of things but, iirc, on a very early report regarding this missing flight, a story came on of an Italian guy who had apparently contacted his family to let them know if they heard he was on that flight then not to worry as it wasn't him, it was someone using his passport that he had had stolen some months earlier. Apparently he had seen a list of the passengers and recognised his own name on it. His father at that stage didn't even know there was a plane missing so had no worries whatsoever but, unless I have missed something which is possible as I have not read every article on this missing plane, I have never seen a full list of passenger names so I'm baffled as to how come the Italian guy had seen one on that, iirc, first day.

The passenger list is online and easy to find, however I don't know when it was first made public. I saw it about 3 days ago, iirc.

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.03.14 10:38

Passenger families would have been informed by Airline within 24 hours.
I'd imagine Italian guy's family would have been told and I'd say that's how he found out someone inside MH370 used his stolen passport.

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Post by Clocker on 18.03.14 11:03

@Lance De Boils wrote:
@Clocker wrote:My query is probably very trivial in the big picture of things but, iirc, on a very early report regarding this missing flight, a story came on of an Italian guy who had apparently contacted his family to let them know if they heard he was on that flight then not to worry as it wasn't him, it was someone using his passport that he had had stolen some months earlier. Apparently he had seen a list of the passengers and recognised his own name on it. His father at that stage didn't even know there was a plane missing so had no worries whatsoever but, unless I have missed something which is possible as I have not read every article on this missing plane, I have never seen a full list of passenger names so I'm baffled as to how come the Italian guy had seen one on that, iirc, first day.

The passenger list is online and easy to find, however I don't know when it was first made public. I saw it about 3 days ago, iirc.
Thanks I've found it, think it was published late pm the 8th March. Still, he managed to notify his dad before the authorities did but if he lives out there he could have seen if before the rest of the world did.

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Post by ultimaThule on 18.03.14 11:11

Andrew77R wrote:Is there anything in the world that the ROTHSCHILD's don't control or own....
They don't control or own me.   Other than those which grace my table, I'm hard pressed to think of any pies that the Rothschilds and the Oppenheimers haven't got their fingers in.

Eta maybe this is the reason Kate was keen to make it known that she is descended from Ashkenazi jews via her father's family?

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Re: Missing Flight MH370

Post by Woofer on 18.03.14 12:55

@ultimaThule wrote:
Andrew77R wrote:Is there anything in the world that the ROTHSCHILD's don't control or own....
They don't control or own me.   Other than those which grace my table, I'm hard pressed to think of any pies that the Rothschilds and the Oppenheimers haven't got their fingers in.

Eta maybe this is the reason Kate was keen to make it known that she is descended from Ashkenazi jews via her father's family?

Did she ???   and is she ???   I know its off topic, but just a quickie.

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