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Post by Lance De Boils on 15.03.14 11:55

Malaysian Airlines flight MH370 has apparently vanished off the face of the Earth. More than a week after it 'disappeared', there's still no sign of it.
How the hell can this happen?
Just a few of the things things I don't understand and questions I have:

1. How quickly it was determined that 2 passengers were flying on stolen passports. If that info could have been confirmed so soon afterwards, how is it that this was not known before? How did these two men manage to even board the plane?


2. Latest reports are that the plane was probably hijacked and intentionally flown off course, with transponders manually switched off. It's being speculated that the plane could have continued flying for 5 or more hours, before running out of fuel. Really? Without being detected?

3. In this day and age of global surveillance, military and otherwise, how can an aircraft of that size vanish? Does that mean that if the aircraft was not a passenger jet, but a huge missile, it would have been missed? Not picked up by satellites, air defence systems etc? If so, then surely we should all be very concerned.

4. Are the authorities around the world telling the whole story? Are they really as clueless as they are making out?

It's all very weird and I don't get it. What does everyone else here think?

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Re: Missing Flight MH370

Post by Guest on 15.03.14 12:31

It's certainly the stuff of which conspiracy theories are made.

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Post by tigger on 15.03.14 12:34

thumbsup LdB

I totally agree. This is beyond belief.  If the hijackers were smart enough to know how to switch off the transponders - gosh where have we heard that before?  -  they'd probably be able to use the autopilot.

Stolen passports, please don't tell me these are going to be found floating in the sea to be picked up by a passing trawler.

What is going on? The only thing I can tehink of is that there is an inherent fault in the 777's and Boeing has done a deal  to suppress this with the Malaysian government.
Only way to tell would be if most 777s suddenly all had to have a service. Any ideas on this?

Otherwise we're right back in 2001.

Eta: a list of incidents, iirc there was a big Australian crash and Boeing were taken to court or very slow to admit responsibility.
Can't find it just now but almost certainly on the Air Crash investigation channel.
http://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/type/b773/boeing-777-300  

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Post by DurhamGuy1967 on 15.03.14 13:00

Just  a thought...

Ukriane's gold reserves have recently been removed.. destination unknown.. China routinely moves bullion using commercial airlines.

If you're going to steal a plane it must have something pretty valuable on board!

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Post by ultimaThule on 15.03.14 13:14

2 passengers flying on stolen passports?  I echo Lance in asking how the hell did that happen? And I wonder how often it happens?

A new Bermuda triangle over the South China Sea or, as we are now being told, the Bay of Bengal?

The cost to Boeing of taking more than 1,000 triple sevens out of service for inspection?  Catastrophic.

My thoughts are with those who were on board and their relatives who are left hoping for a miracle.

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Post by whmon on 15.03.14 13:49

I wonder if it reached North Korea? If so we are unlikely to find it.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 15.03.14 13:52

Some snippets of reports about who was (or wasn't) on board the missing plane:


http://media.freescale.com/phoenix.zhtml?c=196520&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=1907348
Freescale Semiconductor Employees Confirmed Passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370
AUSTIN, Texas--(BUSINESS WIRE)--Mar. 8, 2014-- Freescale Semiconductor (NYSE:FSL) has confirmed that 20 of its employees were confirmed passengers on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370 en route from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Twelve are from Malaysia and eight are from China. The entire Freescale Semiconductor community is deeply saddened by this news. The company is continuing to monitor the situation and will provide more information as it becomes available.

“At present, we are solely focused on our employees and their families,” said Gregg Lowe, president and CEO, Freescale. “Our thoughts and prayers are with those affected by this tragic event.”


http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/the-tweets-from-a-passenger-who-claims-to-have-missed-boarding-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh370/story-fnizu68q-1226852311845

DAYS after the Malaysia Airlines flight disappeared en route to Beijing, mystery still surrounds the identity of four passengers who failed to board the flight.
On Monday Malaysia’s civil aviation chief Azharuddin Abdul Rahman told a press conference that five passengers checked in for the flight but didn’t end up boarding the plane.
He was quick to assure the public their baggage was removed from the plane, in accordance with strict regulations.
However, it turns out the bags never existed in the first place because the passengers never made it to the check-in desk.
We now know there were only four people — not five — who missed flight MH370.
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One person claiming to be a passenger who missed the flight has posted a series of tweets but they are not confirmed.
Going by the name “Kaiden IV”, the passenger claims he and his companion Rory were booked on the plane but were held up for personal reasons.
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His partner, author Cylithria Dubois, has posted a statement about the incident on her website The Ghostly Writer .

http://www.news.com.au/travel/travel-updates/identifying-the-missing-people-on-malaysia-airlines-flight-mh730/story-fnizu68q-1226855846880
LIU Rusheng, China

The oldest passenger on the plane, 77 year-old Liu Rusheng was part of a group of two-dozen prominent Chinese artists who had travelled to Kuala Lumpur to display their work at a three-day art exhibition.
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FARIQ Abdul Hamid, Malaysia
The copilot of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370, 27 year-old Fariq Abdul Hamid joined Malaysia Airines in 2007 and had clocked 2763 hours.
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FIREMAN Siregar, Indonesia

Fireman Siregar was flying to Beijing to take up a three-year posting with European oilfield service company Schlumberger. He had worked in Abu Dhabi before accepting the job and was one of seven Indonesians on the missing plane. Before taking off, Firman’s father had told him to say a prayer so he would arrive safely at his destination.

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CHANDRIKA Sharma, India

The 51 year-old worked in the southern Indian city for an NGO that supported women working in the fishing industry. She was on her way to Mongolia for a conference where she was an invited delegate at the regional conference of the Food and Agriculture Organisation.
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BOB and Cathy Lawton, Australia

Bob and Cathy Lawton, who were both in their 50s, were heading off on a long-planned trip to China with their friends Rod and Mary Burrows. The Brisbane couple had been married for more than 30 years and have been described as devoted to daughters Amanda, Melissa and Glenda, and a growing tribe of grandkids.
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CAPTAIN Zaharie Ahmad Shah, Malaysia
Described as an ‘aviation junkie’, the chief pilot of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 was considered one of the airline’s most experienced and best loved pilots. The 53 year-old had flown for the airline since 1981 and had logged 18,365 flight hours. He was so passionate about his job he had even built a homemade Boeing 777 simulator at his home he would often use to help hone his skills. In a Facebook post, Capt Shah wrote: “Time to take to the next level of simulation motion! Looking for buddies to share this passion.”
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BAO Yuanhua, China


The 63 year-old from the Chinese city of Nanjing had travelled to Kuala Lumpur with her artist husband, Liu Rusheng for a three-day art exhibition themed “Chinese Dream: Red and Green Painting”.
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AMBRE Wattrelos, France
The 14-year-old was a student at the French School in Beijing and was returning from Paris. She was travelling with her mother, Laurence, her brother Hadrian and his girlfriend on Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370. Her father Ghyslain Wattrelos travelled back to Beijing from Paris separately and was informed of the plane’s disappearance by French diplomats at the airport.
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PAUL Weeks, New Zealand

Paul Weeks was a 39 year-old mechanical engineer from New Zealand who lived in Perth’s northern suburbs. The father of two young sons, Lincoln, 3, and Jack, 10 months, was on his way to Mongolia for his first shift in a fly-in-fly-out job, and his wife Danica has been left to break the news to their two boys.
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NORLIAKMAR Hamid and Razahan Zamani, Malaysia

The couple had been travelling to Beijing for a holiday following Norliakmar’s recent miscarriage. Her brother, Mohd Lokman Hamid said he learnt they were on the flight from a Facebook post made by his sister.
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NIKOLAI Brodskii, Russia
A scuba diving instructor from the Siberian city of Irkutsk, 43 year-old Nikolai Brodskii had travelled to Bali for a diving vacation.
The married father of two was a member of Russia’s Jewish community. A local rabbi contacted Brodskii’s family after learning he was on the plane.
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MUKTESH Mukherjee, 42, India/Canada, and Xiaomao Bai, 37, Canada
Canadian-Indian Muktesh Mukherjee was returning with his 37 year-old wife, Xiaomao Bai, to their Beijing home. An executive for US-based XCoal Energy and Resources, Mr Mukherjee is the grandson of Mohan Kumaramangalam, an Indian politician who was killed in a plane crash in 1973.
Mr Kumaramangalam was Steel and Mines Minister under India’s former prime minister Indira Gandhi, and died when Indian Airlines flight 440 crashed near New Delhi four decades ago, killing 48 passengers. A member of Mr Mukherjee’s family said they were devastated by what appeared to be a second air disaster in their family.
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ROD and Mary Burrows, Australia

Rod and Mary Burrows were on a trip to China with friends Bob and Cathy Lawton. Friends said Mr Burrows had begun the planning the trip after he was made redundant late last year. The couple, who were in their 50s, had moved out of their family home just a fortnight ago — downsizing after more than two decades.

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SUGIANTO Lo and Vinny Chynthya, Indonesia

The couple from Medan, Sumatra, were among 239 passengers and crew on missing Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370.
Sugianto’s mother, Suharni, fronted the Indonesian media holding pictures of the couple as frustration among family members grew about the lack of progress in finding the plane.
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JU Kun, China

A veteran Hollywood stuntman and martial arts expert who had doubled for Chinese superstar Jet Li in movies like The Expendables, The Forbidden Kingdom and Fearless, 35 year-old Ju Kun was on his way back to Beijing to visit his sons. Ju Kun had been living in Malaysia since February and was about to start filming a Netflix series, Marco Polo, at Pinewood Studios in Johor Bahru.
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HADRIEN Wattrelos and Zhao Yan, France


The teenagers from Paris, aged 17 and 18, had enrolled together at the Lycee Francais International de Pekin (French School) in Beijing, where they lived. ...They were travelling on Flight MH370 with Hadrien’s sister, Ambre, and mother, Laurence.
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GU Naijun and Li Yuan, Australia

The Chinese couple, aged 31 and 32, had run a failed southern Sydney service station and were heading to China, where they had a baby and a toddler. Neighbours at their Sylvania waterfront unit, which they bought in 2009 but was repossessed in November, said they hadn’t seen the couple for several years. It is believed they had planned to return to Sydney.
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POURIA Nour Mohammad Mehrdad, Iran

The 19 year-old Iranian was travelling on a stolen passport belonging to Austrian Christian Kozel. In the immediate aftermath of Flight 370’s disappearance, these stolen passports were held up as evidence that the plane might have been the subject of a terrorist attack. However, Mehrdad is believed to have been an illegal immigrant on the way to Germany to live with his mother.
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DELAVAR Syed Mohammad Reza, Iran
The second of two Iranian’s travelling on stolen travel documents, the 29 year-old was travelling on a passport belonging to Italian Luigi Maraldi and is also believed to have been travelling to Europe to claim asylum. A relative told Sweden’s Aftonbladet newspaper he was heading for Malmo, a city in the country’s south.
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PHILIP Wood, United States

A technical storage executive at tech company IBM, 50 year-old Philip Wood had worked in Beijing for two years and was finalising his relocation to Kuala Lumpur. The father of two from Dallas, Texas, was one of three Americans on the flight. His family described him as an “outgoing, gregarious, friendly, loving man” who was excited about moving to Malaysia.
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[n.b. The coloured text wasn't my doing.]

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Post by Lance De Boils on 15.03.14 14:07

http://www.ntv7.com.my/7edition/local-en/ALLIANZ_MAS.html
Four Malaysians and one student from China onboard the missing jet had insurance coverage from Allianz Malaysia Bhd.
Its CEO Jens Reisch said four of the passengers took out life insurance policies while one had personal accident insurance.
The German-based Allianz confirmed on Monday that it was the lead insurer for MH370 and the liabilities attached to the passengers and cargo.

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Post by Lance De Boils on 15.03.14 14:09

@DurhamGuy1967 wrote:Just  a thought...

Ukriane's gold reserves have recently been removed.. destination unknown.. China routinely moves bullion using commercial airlines.

If you're going to steal a plane it must have something pretty valuable on board!

There are rumours circulating about gold bullion cargo. But no idea if true or not.

Passenger manifest has been released.
Haven't seen a cargo manifest anywhere though...

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Post by aquila on 15.03.14 14:12

Is the entire world being told a commercial aeroplane can be lost!

Apparently so.

Deepest, deepest sympathy for those missing and their families.

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Post by Guest on 15.03.14 14:35

@aquila wrote:Is the entire world being told a commercial aeroplane can be lost!

Apparently so.

Deepest, deepest sympathy for those missing and their families.

This story has certain parallels with another one I could mention! Inexplicable whichever way you slice it. Every question seems to leave you with two more questions.

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Post by aquila on 15.03.14 14:51

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@aquila wrote:Is the entire world being told a commercial aeroplane can be lost!

Apparently so.

Deepest, deepest sympathy for those missing and their families.

This story has certain parallels with another one I could mention! Inexplicable whichever way you slice it. Every question seems to leave you with two more questions.
It's always good to start by asking the bleeding obvious.

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Post by Guest on 15.03.14 15:05

@aquila wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@aquila wrote:Is the entire world being told a commercial aeroplane can be lost!

Apparently so.

Deepest, deepest sympathy for those missing and their families.

This story has certain parallels with another one I could mention! Inexplicable whichever way you slice it. Every question seems to leave you with two more questions.
It's always good to start by asking the bleeding obvious.

I knew I would regret it even as I was doing it, but I followed a few links to some "alternative" websites and read what they had to say about the missing aeroplane. The bleeding obvious is the last thing they were concerning themselves with.

Having said that, even some of the known facts are fairly "out there".

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Post by aquila on 15.03.14 15:35

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@aquila wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@aquila wrote:Is the entire world being told a commercial aeroplane can be lost!

Apparently so.

Deepest, deepest sympathy for those missing and their families.

This story has certain parallels with another one I could mention! Inexplicable whichever way you slice it. Every question seems to leave you with two more questions.
It's always good to start by asking the bleeding obvious.

I knew I would regret it even as I was doing it, but I followed a few links to some "alternative" websites and read what they had to say about the missing aeroplane. The bleeding obvious is the last thing they were concerning themselves with.

Having said that, even some of the known facts are fairly "out there".
I agree with you Clay but as you've linked it to 'another case' which is obviously Madeleine's disappearance I'd like to offer my opinion without the need for wild theory or going into the range of really strange stuff that's said on the interweb.

It will be good to know that the libel trial is back up and running. After all, it's older than Madeleine was when she disappeared. This civil court action taken by the McCanns and financed by who knows (there surely can't be many members of the public sending in the odd few quid for a t shirt or a wristband - their contributions wouldn't add up to much in any case).

The libel trial is the crux. For this not to reach fruition and the incredibly convenient intervention of UK authorities smells of rattus to me.

Delay, delay, delay.

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Post by Guest on 15.03.14 16:19

@aquila wrote:

The libel trial is the crux. For this not to reach fruition and the incredibly convenient intervention of UK authorities smells of rattus to me.

Delay, delay, delay.

I agree; it's beyond ridiculous. The unfortunate thing is that there isn't a critical mass of people sufficiently interested in the case to demand a break in the silence.

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Post by aiyoyo on 15.03.14 16:40

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@aquila wrote:Is the entire world being told a commercial aeroplane can be lost!

Apparently so.

Deepest, deepest sympathy for those missing and their families.

This story has certain parallels with another one I could mention! Inexplicable whichever way you slice it. Every question seems to leave you with two more questions.

MH 370 is compared to AF447; but in retrospect apart from the mysterious of no mayday call and no immediate physical trace of crash the similarities stop.
MH was flying in good weather condition with only a small stretch of water (South China Sea) between continents; whereas in AF447 case there was very little doubt from the outset it went down into the Atlantic Ocean in an area outside of Radar coverage. Firrst wreckage and two bodies were discovered 5 days after crash. MH did not appear to have disintegrated in air or crashed into water and no wreckage found 7 days into its mysterious disappearance.

It is now official that the transponder was disabled with faint signal captured on Satellite four hours after missing report indicating the plane was deliberately taken off course. The Malaysian Authority put it down to hijack, at the same time they are searching the home of the pilot. It would appear they are clueless whether a third party with experience of flying plane maneuvere the plane off course or was it the doing of the pilot.

It does seem strange that modern technology global radar surveillance fails to detect anything. No radar coverage in certain stretches of a vast ocean too far away from continents is understandable. But in the MH370 case the sea separating Asia continents isn't that vast, you would imagine nothing is beyond reach of radar catchment range.


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Post by aiyoyo on 15.03.14 16:52

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@aquila wrote:

The libel trial is the crux. For this not to reach fruition and the incredibly convenient intervention of UK authorities smells of rattus to me.

Delay, delay, delay.

I agree; it's beyond ridiculous. The unfortunate thing is that there isn't a critical mass of people sufficiently interested in the case to demand a break in the silence.

Oh I see what you mean - cover up by government !
One missing child cannot be fair comparison to one missing plane load of people.
International Politicians are taking interest in the fate of the missing plane  so a cover up won't be easy.

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Post by lj on 15.03.14 17:07

What I understand was that trhe report about stolen passports came from  the Italian who was told by family his name was on the list. Apparently his passport was used by a black man, which gives you an idea how good the checks are. It reminded me of the guy who got access to all kind of highly secured bases by using a real army (?) ID, just the photo was replaced by the photo of the rear end of a horse.
He finally was got not so much because of the photo, but because it was noticed he would visit too many bases in too short time to really do anything.
The defense "we got'em didn't we?"

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Post by PeterMac on 15.03.14 17:59

Interesting that two days ago the Pentagon got its first mention.
Then they have released the information about the geo-stationary satellite tracking the plane towards Pakistan
But they won't say who owns the satellite (! )
Do we really think that the US do not keep tabs on that part of the world, North Korea, China both nuclear powers
Vietnam an old hunting ground, and so on, down the the last millimetre of movement.
The whole region is Muslim and not very stable or well run.
I would bet the Pentagon knew and knows exactly where the plane is, but for reasons of diplomacy had to let the Malaysian authorities get it started before offering to assist.

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Post by Hicks on 15.03.14 18:54

As far as conspiracy theories go, I think this is a good one.

Does Seem a coincidence that twenty specialists in tracking technologies-among other things- were on board.


http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/malaysia-airlines-plane-mh370-latest-conspiracy-theory-were-freescale-semiconductor-top-employees-1440097.

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Post by aiyoyo on 15.03.14 21:45


Investigators also are looking at the possibility that a shipment of lithium batteries in the cargo hold may have caught fire and felled the aircraft. A senior American official who had been briefed on the contents listed on the plane’s cargo manifest said a “significant load” of lithium batteries had been aboard — raising suspicions because of previous cargo-plane crashes attributed to lithium battery shipments, which can overheat and cause intense fires. But that possibility is inconsistent with information that the plane may have kept flying for hours after it vanished.

David Coiley, a vice president of Inmarsat, a British satellite telecommunications provider, said the missing plane had been equipped with an Inmarsat signaling system that sends out a “keep-alive message” to establish that the plane’s communications system is still switched on.

The plane sent out a series of such messages after civilian radar lost contact, he said. Those messages later stopped, but he declined to specify precisely when or how many messages had been received. Mr. Coiley said Inmarsat was sharing the information with the airline and investigators.

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Post by aiyoyo on 16.03.14 11:14

Malaysia has now asked for help from Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Turkmenistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, India, China, Myanmar, Laos, Vietnam, Thailand, Indonesia, Australia and France, Razak said today.

Malaysia has asked for help from 15 countries but surprise surprise US not among them.
Neither the FBI nor the National Transport Safety Board has been invited to join in the search/investigation.
Not obvious the  Malaysian Authority does not want the American involved eh  ?

New data released states that search is now concentrated on a 12,000 miles area of two corridors towards Kazakhstan, Uberkistan as well as in the opposite direction of 15,000 ft deep rough water Indian Ocean Western Australia side because of signals picked up by Satellite that the plane was still flying 8 hours after reported missing.

Pre-programmed left turn
Disabled Transponders
Deviated off Course
Deliberate act by someone with flying and engineering experience.  No one on the passengers list appears to have those skills.
Flight simulator found in the home of the pilot.

Someone is taking the plane for a joy fly at the expense of passengers and got into trouble ? Disturbing thought no doubt, but the authority is implying that at the moment.

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Post by Mirage on 16.03.14 11:26

There is something extremely fishy about the way information is being eked out. I imagine the authorities knew the ping was land-based from the outset. What fresh information could enhance the knowledge of the location of the ping after the passage of a week? What extra technology exists that is capable of enhancing knowledge of the location?

Is the location N Korea?

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Post by Professor Marvel on 16.03.14 11:29

UPDATE

On Mar 16th 2014 Malaysia's Minister of Transport said, that the search has become much more difficult now including 25 instead of so far 14 countries including diplomatic efforts. Areas of land in 11 countries are being searched. Satellite data, primary and secondary radar data as well as search aircraft and ships are being requested. The aircraft took off with the fuel planned according to flight plan, there was no additional fuel loaded. The investigation refocussed on crew, all passengers as well as all ground personnel handling the aircraft. The crew homes have been searched, the captain's flight simulator equipment was dismantled and re-assembled at police premises for further investigation. The crew members had not requested to fly together. The team of Inmarsat have arrived in Malaysia supporting the investigation. Priority is still on the search and rescue operation. There have been no attempts to contact Malaysia, the airline or any other party in order to seek ransom or other compensation in exchange for occupants or the aircraft. There was no hazardeous cargo on board, the cargo has been checked according to standard operating procedures. The satellite signals could also have been sent while the aircraft was on the ground as long as there was electrical power available.

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Post by Professor Marvel on 16.03.14 11:35

Sorry !
 I've no idea why the [b]'s keep coming up ??
Tried to edit but just made it worse. help

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