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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by jeanmonroe on 14.03.14 12:31

@Jemmied_Shatter wrote:
@Woofer wrote:@AndyB - I agree that particular pic is less offensive than the others and justified in that it is another child that has died.  It is more to do with the history of pics J_S has used and his/her motivations to post here.  Although a picture of Tia is not offensive in itself, it could be construed that MBM vanished in a similar manner and we do not know that for sure.
Changed to stop affecting sensitivities but we all know that if the killer of tia sharp whether by excess accident or not, had access to money and powerful friends then we would be having a speculative forum about her as well. The police didn't even bother to check upstairs when she was first reported missing and now we have the same Police service investigating the Portuguese?

I did a long piece on the Met Police and Tia.

The 'incompancies' were ASTOUNDING!

UTTER, UTTER, DISGRACE!

IGNORED their OWN dogs 'alerts' for DAYS on end!

And then, one officer, had the bare faced cheek to say 'i went into the loft and I FOUND her'

NOTHING to do with the 'notoriously RELIABLE' police dogs!

And to think that at one time, and still probably, in their own feeble minds, the Met Police 'think' they are the GREATEST Police force, on the face of the Earth!

And FBI, CIA, MOSSAD, PJ, are totally incompetant, bungling, buffons, when compared to the superior, outstanding 'best Police force' EVER that is the Metropolitan Police, UK.

Memo to Met: "YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY, CORRUPTION RIDDLED, MURDERING UNARMED SUSPECTS, SPYING ON VICTIMS, COVERERS UPPERS, CR*P"

But there again, your big boss is BHH!

(SO not totally surprising you have earnt the reputation you have NOW!)

From the very, very TOP (BHH) to the very, very bottom 'gutter' cops!

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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by Guest on 14.03.14 12:37

gbwales,

"Another point that has been raised in this thread is Kate's highly vocal placing of Madeleine at the beach bar in the late afternoon of the 3rd - and carrying her back, with her sudden and overwhelming tiredness."

I thought Kate collected Madeleine from high tea at the Tapas bar not the beach bar?

Kate McCann's witness statement 6th September 2007

When she finished jogging, at around 5:20/5:30 p.m., she went to the Tapas area. Gerry was there, as well as the twins and Madeleine who were having dinner at separate tables. Madeleine had been taken to the area by the nannies.

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Post by Jemmied_Shatter on 14.03.14 12:46

@jeanmonroe wrote:
@Jemmied_Shatter wrote:
@Woofer wrote:@AndyB - I agree that particular pic is less offensive than the others and justified in that it is another child that has died.  It is more to do with the history of pics J_S has used and his/her motivations to post here.  Although a picture of Tia is not offensive in itself, it could be construed that MBM vanished in a similar manner and we do not know that for sure.
Changed to stop affecting sensitivities but we all know that if the killer of tia sharp whether by excess accident or not, had access to money and powerful friends then we would be having a speculative forum about her as well. The police didn't even bother to check upstairs when she was first reported missing and now we have the same Police service investigating the Portuguese?

I did a long piece on the Met Police and Tia.

The 'incompancies' were ASTOUNDING!

UTTER, UTTER, DISGRACE!

IGNORED their OWN dogs 'alerts' for DAYS on end!

And then, one officer, had the bare faced cheek to say 'i went into the loft and I FOUND her'

NOTHING to do with the 'notoriously RELIABLE' police dogs!

And to think that at one time, and still probably, in their own feeble minds, the Met Police 'think' they are the GREATEST Police force, on the face of the Earth!

Memo to Met: "YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY, CORRUPTION RIDDLED, COVERERS UPPERS, CR*P"

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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by gbwales on 14.03.14 12:46

Sorry - my confusion - you're right. Looking at it again, it is the bar near the pool they seem to refer to.
I'll amend my post to cut that to avoid further confusion and keep to point.

Having said that - it's still very clear that Diane did not see Madeleine that day and even at the beach bar with Kate jogging by and making sure she was noticed by everyone was NOT noticed by Diane.

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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by gbwales on 14.03.14 12:49

@gbwales wrote:@ j.rob

I'm very much in agreement with your interpretation of Russell's statement versus Kate's book version of the videoing incident.
To me it sounds like she is putting a pre-emptive and less worrying gloss on what may have been - if I read Russell's statement correctly - one of their party videoing someone else's daughter, either by design or simply incidentally. The connotations however, especially given their screaming of 'paedophiles' at every opportunity, being rather unfortunate for their own image.

In relation to that it is clear that one of their party DID have a video camera. It was handed to DC Stewart Martin of the Hampshire police at 21:00 on May 8th, along with a video tape from it - it was a Sony Handycam. This is the guy with the record of tech knowledge in recovering digital imagery etc, and at the same time he took delivery of the Olympus C50 camera and its memory cards (or at least those that were handed over / surrendered).
Whilst he inspected the images from the cards for the Olympus camera, he did not inspect the Sony Handycam or its accompanying tape and delivered it to the Hampshire police support HQ Imaging Unit at 8:00 on May 9th. I cannot find a record of the results of any further examination.

You can see these details here:
 http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/VIDEO_MEMORY.htm


One person who very specifically does NOT see Madeleine - or Kate or Gerry - on the afternoon of the 3rd is Diane Webster in her rogatory statement...
(Note - in these snippets below she is specifically discussing the afternoon of the 3rd only...)

DW
"We went down to the beach that day and just played around for a bit err  and then the men came in from their activities and we then went, because it was quite late, we decided rather than rush the children, to high tea at the Ocean Club. We’d just give them high tea in this beach restaurant that we’d been to before. So the children had high tea, or their tea, in this err restaurant, beach café, err…”


4078
"Who else was there around that time?”


DW
"Who else? Well it was, it was all of us err apart from Kate and Gerry and their children, yeah we were all there and err the men, I think because err Dave, I don’t know if the other two had them as well, they had to be back for tennis or something or some tennis thing, I don’t know if its due to start at six or something like that...”


4078
"It’s perfectly understandable that you can’t. Did you see Kate and Gerry at all during the day that day?


DW
"Err well only in the morning when, at the tennis, err I’m get, do you know I’m getting confused because I know there was one err evening where they were, they were all playing, and they were playing tennis and we were, there’s the tennis courts were down a few steps that was more than the rest of the area and err we were with the children watching the men play but I can’t remember what night that was.”


4078
"Do you remember if you saw Madeleine that day?


DW
"I don’t think I did see her that day because the fact that we’d gone down to the beach in the afternoon and we hadn’t got the kid, the high tea, had we gone to the high tea err with the children then yes we would have seen her, but err I don’t recollect err seeing her because in the morning at the tennis she would have been in the kids club.”


Diane's rogatory in full here: http://mccannfiles.com/id254.html



This is updated to amend my error over a matter of location. Can't edit original anymore!  Sorry.

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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by Garrincha on 14.03.14 13:38

Before we move on from discussing avatars could J_S please clarify who his/her latest picture is of?

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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by Jemmied_Shatter on 14.03.14 13:54

@Garrincha wrote:Before we move on from discussing avatars could J_S please clarify who his/her latest picture is of?

Someone very close to me. The most beautiful girl in the world.
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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by Garrincha on 14.03.14 13:57

Thank you J_S

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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by j.rob on 14.03.14 16:58

Dee Coy wrote:j.rob, Kate's repetitive shrieking of "We've let her down" haunts me. If it is 'doctor speak' for 'the patient has died' this would fit with the removal while alive theory.

Trouble is, I've never been able to confirm if "We've let her down" is recognised medical in-house jargon  or not. Forum myth, again?

Not sure if it is medical jargon but the phrase certainly suggests that Madeleine's parents felt that they had failed to support or help her in a way that they should have done. Also, their behaviour that evening was very strange - the bowing down movements in front of the police, indicative of supplication. Their words said one thing but their body language gave them away. Which the police would have observed. And in fact their body language has continually given them away.

So if Madeleine's parents 'let her down'? In what way had they 'let her down?'

They have often used phrases like they regret not being there at the moment 'she was taken'. That could either mean 'taken away by someone' or it could be a euphemism for falling very ill and dying. Ot 'taken' in some other way, I supposed.

Interestingly, 'Taken' is the title of a film in which Liam Neeson hunts down his teenage daughter who was kidnapped while travelling in Paris by human traffickers for sexual slavery. It was released in 2008 but the plot line might have resonated with certain people.

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Post by ultimaThule on 14.03.14 17:36

@j.rob wrote:
Dee Coy wrote:j.rob, Kate's repetitive shrieking of "We've let her down" haunts me. If it is 'doctor speak' for 'the patient has died' this would fit with the removal while alive theory.

Trouble is, I've never been able to confirm if "We've let her down" is recognised medical in-house jargon  or not. Forum myth, again?

Not sure if it is medical jargon but the phrase certainly suggests that Madeleine's parents felt that they had failed to support or help her in a way that they should have done. Also, their behaviour that evening was very strange - the bowing down movements in front of the police, indicative of supplication. Their words said one thing but their body language gave them away. Which the police would have observed. And in fact their body language has continually given them away.

So if Madeleine's parents 'let her down'? In what way had they 'let her down?'

They have often used phrases like they regret not being there at the moment 'she was taken'. That could either mean 'taken away by someone' or it could be a euphemism for falling very ill and dying. Ot 'taken' in some other way, I supposed.

Interestingly, 'Taken' is the title of a film in which Liam Neeson hunts down his teenage daughter who was kidnapped while travelling in Paris by human traffickers for sexual slavery. It was released in 2008 but the plot line might have resonated with certain people.
This was my response to DeeCoy's question last night:
There has been debate about these words on another thread whose title escapes me, and the general consensus is that letting a patient down is most definitely not medical in-house jargon for patients dying of preventable causes - medics being far more likely to cover each other's backs with 'we did everything we could' and other such platitudes.  

Having given these words some thought recently, it occurs to me they could be seen in context as Kate's expression of regret that her daughter could not be accorded the funeral rites of the Catholic church in which faith she was baptised. 

While I suspect emotions such as guilt and grief are not ones which come easily to Kate, neverthless I find it hard to believe she hasn't been subject to the odd imp pricking her conscience on occasion, albeit a glass of NZ wine soon puts a stop to any such activity.
Tigger has it that the spectacle of Gerry bowing down before officers of the PJ and roaring like a bull is the freemason signal for 'brother in trouble', or similar, which explanation I am inclined to believe but which was apparently wasted on those Portuguese police officers who were in attendance. 

With regard to the McCanns' expressions of regret to the effect that they were not there at the moment their eldest daughter was 'taken', I'm not alone in being unable to view these sentiments as anything other than the child dying without either of her parents being by her side.   Fwiw, I regard it as probable that the child did not die in apartment 5A albeit her body was stored there pending removal to another place, or places. 

IMO the McCanns' body language has given them away on countless occasions and their words give the truth to their lies every time they open their mouths.   As for Kate's bewk, it is indeed as PeterMac has said, Exhibit KH1 and I trust it will be submitted as such to a judge and jury in the not too distant future.

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Post by Mirage on 14.03.14 17:45

@Jemmied_Shatter wrote:
@Garrincha wrote:Before we move on from discussing avatars could J_S please clarify who his/her latest picture is of?

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Post by Rasputin on 14.03.14 17:50

@Mirage wrote:
@Jemmied_Shatter wrote:
@Garrincha wrote:Before we move on from discussing avatars could J_S please clarify who his/her latest picture is of?

Someone very close to me. The most beautiful girl in the world.
 roses roses 
Don't tell me that's Harriet Harperson in her Pr I mE

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Post by j.rob on 14.03.14 17:56

IMO David and Fiona Payne are pivotal because of their relationship with MO and RO'B which goes back many years before the McCanns arrived on the NHS Leicester scene and Fiona's particularly close relationship with Kate and that, at the very least, the Paynes acted as go-betweens to facilitate a cover up.   

Again IMO, if all of the group's children were being sedated on a nightly basis and JT/ROB and the Oldfields were told Madeleine had died due to an overdose or unexpected reaction to the drug used, I suspect it would not have been overly difficult to convince them that reporting her death to the relevant authorities, with the inevitability of autopsy and the probability that all of the children would be tested for ingestion of drugs, would not be either in their best interests or in the best interests of the group as a whole.   

I consider it entirely probable that what may have been presented to the above two couples as the bigger picture was an illusion which diguised the true picture, that Leics police were on the money, and that the PJ were far too kind to the McCanns and their pals. 

Fwiw, I think it likely Dianne Webster was initially kept out of the loop but I would regard her as being entirely lacking in imagination if she hasn't had any suspicion that she and others were duped.



Yes - these couples may well have felt a strong allegiance towards each other. And if it was felt that 'the disaster' that had befallen the McCanns and Madeleine was of the nature of a terrible, but unintended and unpremeditated, accident or medical mishap then you might begin to understand why a cover-up would ensue. To avoid the twins and/or other children being admitted to hospital, perhaps, and found to be sedated. Or possibly other incriminating evidence on the twins or other children.

As you say, if the friends believed this was 'the bigger picture' then they might be prepared to close ranks. Although it does make you wonder WHY they would go along with such an elaborate hoax with so much potential to backfire and one that it so very complicated. I guess they needed a scenario whereby Madeleine's body, either dead or alive, could not be examined. So abduction or kidnapping by a stranger was pretty much the only route to take. I suppose they could have just claimed that she 'disappeared' (a la Ben Needham) but I don't think that fitted the 'bigger agenda' for the McCanns.

There would have been less drama, less fan-fare, no obvious 'bogey man', probably not as much media coverage and no FUND. I still can't help thinking that they might have looked at the Ben Needham case and drawn some ideas from it - the 'sleepy' foreign police, the slowness of response, the gypsies and so on. A lot could be gleaned by looking at this case in terms of what can go wrong.

Who knows?

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Post by ultimaThule on 14.03.14 18:32

ultimaThule wrote:
IMO David and Fiona Payne are pivotal because of their relationship with MO and RO'B which goes back many years before the McCanns arrived on the NHS Leicester scene and Fiona's particularly close relationship with Kate and that, at the very least, the Paynes acted as go-betweens to facilitate a cover up.   


Again IMO, if all of the group's children were being sedated on a nightly basis and JT/ROB and the Oldfields were told Madeleine had died due to an overdose or unexpected reaction to the drug used, I suspect it would not have been overly difficult to convince them that reporting her death to the relevant authorities, with the inevitability of autopsy and the probability that all of the children would be tested for ingestion of drugs, would not be either in their best interests or in the best interests of the group as a whole.   

I consider it entirely probable that what may have been presented to the above two couples as the bigger picture was an illusion which diguised the true picture, that Leics police were on the money, and that the PJ were far too kind to the McCanns and their pals. 

Fwiw, I think it likely Dianne Webster was initially kept out of the loop but I would regard her as being entirely lacking in imagination if she hasn't had any suspicion that she and others were duped.

j.rob wrote It seems to me there is a considerable amount of information available about the dynamic of the relationships between the McCanns and the various members of the Tapas group, Mirage.

We can take Rachel Oldfield out of the equation on the night in question because, being fearful of that lonely trek to the front of the apartment block and the need to navigate the dark scary parking area to listen at the 3 shuttered windows of the bedrooms where 6 of the children, including her own baby, were allegedly sleeping, her precious posterior remained firmly seated on a Tapas bar chair for the duration of the show.
Yes - these couples may well have felt a strong allegiance towards each other. And if it was felt that 'the disaster' that had befallen the McCanns and Madeleine was of the nature of a terrible, but unintended and unpremeditated, accident or medical mishap then you might begin to understand why a cover-up would ensue. To avoid the twins and/or other children being admitted to hospital, perhaps, and found to be sedated. Or possibly other incriminating evidence on the twins or other children.

As you say, if the friends believed this was 'the bigger picture' then they might be prepared to close ranks. Although it does make you wonder WHY they would go along with such an elaborate hoax with so much potential to backfire and one that it so very complicated. I guess they needed a scenario whereby Madeleine's body, either dead or alive, could not be examined. So abduction or kidnapping by a stranger was pretty much the only route to take. I suppose they could have just claimed that she 'disappeared' (a la Ben Needham) but I don't think that fitted the 'bigger agenda' for the McCanns.

There would have been less drama, less fan-fare, no obvious 'bogey man', probably not as much media coverage and no FUND. I still can't help thinking that they might have looked at the Ben Needham case and drawn some ideas from it - the 'sleepy' foreign police, the slowness of response, the gypsies and so on. A lot could be gleaned by looking at this case in terms of what can go wrong.

Who knows?
In a situation where autopsy would have called others than the McCanns into question and had the potential to cause possible embarrassment to, or cessation of, whether temporary or otherwise, their medical careers, I have no doubt this would have concentrated minds on the need to conceal the body. 

However, when resolving this problem by concocting the story of an abduction I very much doubt that those members of the Tapas 7 who became most directly involved in effecting the apparent disappearance of a 3 year old child from her bed would have had any notion of the far reaching impact and implications their actions would cause.  

IMO it is important to take into account the fact that the group were on holiday abroad a) because, even though by all accounts there was not a lot of sun, sea, and sangria, what may be usually sound judgement can be impaired by the lessening of constraint which can manifest in a place where the customs and culture are alien to the British mindset and b) the obvious trait of self-entitlement manifested by all members of the group, with the possible exception of Jane Tanner and Dianne Webster, may have served to convince them that their ability to pull the wool over the eyes of a foreign police force was guaranteed.

For me, David Payne is pivotal in that his long-standing relationship with Oldfield and O'Brien which stretched back to their first days at med school, would have enabled him to appeal to whatever part of their natures would be willing to rescue a pair of fellow medics and his spouse would no doubt have been in a position to make similar entreaties on behalf of her most recent best friend, Kate McCann.

What I cannot imagine is that any of Tapas 7 would have been willing to compromise whatever limited integrity they possessed for the sole benefit of Gerald Patrick McCann, nor do I believe that these peculiarly insular individuals had any insight into his true nature or any inkling that, by the act of lying for him, they would become enslaved by him.

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Post by Garrincha on 14.03.14 19:08

I don't think I'm buying it either Rasputin

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Post by joyce1938 on 15.03.14 10:06

I also can not really see the cover up by so ,many The terrible guilt would stay with me forever . I just cant imagine a situation where I would not tell what I knew ,if it was about a small childs accident or anything that could have led to her dissapearence etc . joyce1938

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Post by jeanmonroe on 15.03.14 10:56

IMO David and Fiona Payne are pivotal because.....
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IMO Jes Wilkins was 'pivotal' but

HE never got a mention on the TWO 'handwritten' timelines.

HE was TOLD the 'search' parties did NOT need his 'eyes and ears' help.

HE did NOTapproach the police, the very, very first thing, the morning after Madeleine went 'missing' and tell them EXACTLY where he was, chatting to the 'missing' child's father, at the EXACT time the child was 'supposedly' being 'abducted'

He DID have to duck under the police 'tape' with the pushchair to buy a pint of milk.

HE did NOT converse with or ask any Police person, as he passed them, first thing the next morning, and did not ask them if they had 'found' his tennis buddy's child.

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Post by Guest on 15.03.14 11:28

@jeanmonroe wrote:IMO David and Fiona Payne are pivotal because.....
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IMO Jes Wilkins was 'pivotal' but

HE never got a mention on the TWO 'handwritten' timelines.

HE was TOLD the 'search' parties did NOT need his 'eyes and ears' help.

HE did NOTapproach the police, the very, very first thing, the morning after Madeleine went 'missing' and tell them EXACTLY where he was, chatting to the 'missing' child's father, at the EXACT time the child was 'supposedly' being 'abducted'

He DID have to duck under the police 'tape' with the pushchair to buy a pint of milk.

HE did NOT converse with or ask any Police person, as he passed them, first thing the next morning, and did not ask them if they had 'found' his tennis buddy's child.

I agree he is very interesting.
He took part in no searches at all, even the next day.
I find these two statement by him particularly interesting:

"The following day there was a somber atmosphere around the complex.I last saw Jerry and Kate on Saturday, 5th May 2007 about 4 pm or 5 pm.We were sitting by the pool. I walked over to Jerry and wanted to let him know that I was thinking about him. I shook his hand. He was quiet but wasn’t crying. I thought it was brave of him and his wife to go t the pool."

"Several weeks later, Jeremy received calls from Gerry in relation to gaining permission from him to use his name in a portfolio of evidence being compiled by an organization employed by the McCanns. They were very persistent and made several attempts to contact him both at work and at home. They had no objection to being included but were concerned as to the method being used."

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Post by jeanmonroe on 15.03.14 12:12

"Several weeks later, Jeremy received calls from Gerry in relation to gaining permission from him to use his name in a portfolio of evidence being compiled by an organization employed by the McCanns. They were very persistent and made several attempts to contact him both at work and at home. They had no objection to being included but were concerned as to the method being used."
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Gerry didn't 'know' imo, that JW had made a statement to Police in UK on 7th May 2007, and that JW had already 'unhelpfully' drawn a sketch, on 7th May 2007, of exactly WHERE he 'was' when he was 'chatting' to GM.

RIGHT THERE STANDING OUTSIDE THE GATEWAY TO APARTMENT 5A!.

But even THAT still didn't stop GM and DE 'trying' to place JW on the other side of the street, in HIS, 'mockumentary' TWO (2) YEARS later, did it? (done specifically to give JT 'a clear line of sight' of the 'abductor' carrying Madeleine away, imo.)

(AND on Oprah 'interview' COMPLETE with 'whooshing arm movement' indicating how he (GM) 'crossed' the street' to chat with JW!)

GM 'desperately' needed JW to 'provide' him with an 'alibi' as to where GM was at the exact time of the 'abduction' seen by his friend JT.

Unfortunately, JW and GM got their 'wires crossed' as to WHO actually 'crossed the street' to chat to the other!

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Post by Woofer on 15.03.14 12:34

@jeanmonroe wrote:IMO David and Fiona Payne are pivotal because.....
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IMO Jes Wilkins was 'pivotal' but

HE never got a mention on the TWO 'handwritten' timelines.

HE was TOLD the 'search' parties did NOT need his 'eyes and ears' help.

HE did NOTapproach the police, the very, very first thing, the morning after Madeleine went 'missing' and tell them EXACTLY where he was, chatting to the 'missing' child's father, at the EXACT time the child was 'supposedly' being 'abducted'

He DID have to duck under the police 'tape' with the pushchair to buy a pint of milk.

HE did NOT converse with or ask any Police person, as he passed them, first thing the next morning, and did not ask them if they had 'found' his tennis buddy's child.

Apparently he did speak to the police on Friday 4th (time not known), however it was ONLY to tell them he had seen the suspicious rasta man, nothing about seeing GM.

"REPORT OF FOREIGN CARE
Date: 2007/05/04 Location: Praia da Luz - Lagos;

Entity determining the diligence:
Employee who performed it: Manuel P., Inspector

Following various informal conversations related to the area of research, we were contacted by a British citizen named Jeremy Michael Wilkins, holder of passport no. 205...., owner of mobile phone no. +44788...., living in ....London...He spends his holidays at, "WATERSIDE GARDENS," block G4, about 50 metres from the apartment where the small child was. He told us that yesterday, between 8.30 and 9pm, while he was in the "TAPAS" restaurant, he noted that a person of around 1.70m, with long blond hair, apparently of the "Rasta," style and dressed in green military-style clothes, entered the restaurant. This person did not stay very long. Their behaviour was somewhat strange and they seemed to be rather nervous. He was alone, he did not speak to anyone and left soon afterwards. The informant maintains that he has never seen this person in the village. "

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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by jeanmonroe on 15.03.14 12:47

Yes agreed he did 'speak' to Police but only AFTER this:

The next morning, we made our way to breakfast and met one of the Doctors, the one who had come round in the night. His young daughter looked up at us from her pushchair.

We walked towards the kiddie club.

Locals and holidaymakers had started circulating photocopied pictures of Madeleine, while others continued searching the beaches and village apartments. People were talking about what had happened or sat silently, staring blankly. WE DIDN'T SEE ANY POLICE.

LATER, ( i believe it was 'pm' when the Police and Murat 'knocked on his door' NOT first thing when he got up in the morning), there was a knock 'on our apartment door' and we let the two men in. One was a uniformed Portuguese policeman, the other his translator.

BUT then again THIS by JW:
CARTAS ROGATORIAS 5
Pages 25 to 29

LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE SQUAD
WITNESS TESTIMONY OF JEREMY WILKINS
Date: 8 April 2008

ALMOST a FULL YEAR LATER.

The next morning, after having become aware of Madeleine’s disappearance, we went to breakfast and left the children in the club. Bridget and I returned to the apartment and minutes afterward, a uniformed police officer, accompanied by a British man serving as interpreter, showed up.

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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by Woofer on 15.03.14 13:22

Thanks for that Jean - amazing - he was hardly in a hurry to speak to police at all - they came to him and even then, doesn`t even mention seeing Gerry, just rasta man.  Its not until his 7th May statement that GM is mentioned.

In the 7th May statement he also says when he got back to his apartment he had dinner, watched a DVD and went to bed about 11pm.  If the time he was supposed to have seen GM was 9.15. then walks back to apartment, wasn`t it rather late to be having his dinner?  He must have been starving by then. 

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Post by jeanmonroe on 15.03.14 13:26

Just to add to above post:

WITNESS TESTIMONY OF JEREMY WILKINS

This statement, consisting of five pages, each signed by me, is true to the best of my knowledge and belief and I make it knowing that, if it is tendered in evidence, I shall be liable to prosecution if I have willfully states in it anything I know to be false or do not believe to be true.

AND

I am aware that my deposition is subject to the Portuguese Criminal Code in addition to British law.
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So if he 'lied' as the McCanns have said he did, regards him 'crossing the street to chat' when the McCanns have, on record, in print and filmed interviews, stated that it was GM that had 'crossed the street to chat with JW'

JW must be liable to prosecution, for having stated something he wilfully knows to be false, according to the McCanns, by both the Portuguese, under their Criminal Code AND, in addition, by the UK authorities under British law.

eta:

The McCanns would have absolutely no 'conscience'  in throwing Wilkins and Tanner 'under the bus' IF DCI Redwood EVER started asking JW/JT 'real' questions. (imo, obviously)

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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by Guest on 15.03.14 15:48

@jeanmonroe wrote:Yes agreed he did 'speak' to Police but only AFTER this:

The next morning, we made our way to breakfast and met one of the Doctors, the one who had come round in the night. His young daughter looked up at us from her pushchair.

We walked towards the kiddie club.

Locals and holidaymakers had started circulating photocopied pictures of Madeleine, while others continued searching the beaches and village apartments. People were talking about what had happened or sat silently, staring blankly. WE DIDN'T SEE ANY POLICE.

LATER, ( i believe it was 'pm' when the Police and Murat 'knocked on his door' NOT first thing when he got up in the morning), there was a knock 'on our apartment door' and we let the two men in. One was a uniformed Portuguese policeman, the other his translator.

BUT then again THIS by JW:
CARTAS ROGATORIAS 5
Pages 25 to 29

LEICESTERSHIRE POLICE SQUAD
WITNESS TESTIMONY OF JEREMY WILKINS
Date: 8 April 2008

ALMOST a FULL YEAR LATER.

The next morning, after having become aware of Madeleine’s disappearance, we went to breakfast and left the children in the club. Bridget and I returned to the apartment and minutes afterward, a uniformed police officer, accompanied by a British man serving as interpreter, showed up.

It does seem odd that J Wilkins went back to bed after one of the Mccann friends called at his flat, something is not quite clear here.  I would call him a key witness yet the Mccanns seemingly didn't urge the police to contact him or him to volunteer information?  Not trying to start up a conspiracy theory but does anyone else think it odd that Robert Murat appeared at every opportunity to act as translator?  During the rogatory meetings some if not all the Tapas group amended their statements as taken by the Portuguese police at the beginning, things that aren't mere trivial mistakes but complete changes to their stories and that includes nanny Cat.  Im also astounded that the Wilkins couple left their children at the club the very next day.  If that were me the last thing I would do is let my child out of my sight knowing a prowler was around.    If you put the Tapas statements under a microscope I don't think they would become any clearer, cant put my finger on it but something doesn't add up.  I expect this has all been discussed before so forgive me if Im being repetitive.

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Re: 3 new Lazzeri-lies . .

Post by aquila on 15.03.14 15:54

Think about it, the whole of the holiday 'complex' and its staff are looking for a missing child. The place is swarming with police. The nannies have been up all night looking for her. You, as a holidaymaker have just heard a child went missing. You can't possibly have slept all night what with all the noise and fuss.

...and yet you place your child back into the care of the creche a few hours later.

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