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Post by ultimaThule on 08.03.14 1:37

@russiandoll wrote:Brian Paddick just on Newsnight following BBC news announcing that they have unearthed a document which was stated not to exist : showing the name of the suspected corrupt cop in the Lawrence case  [ said to have worked for the father of one of the convicted murderers].
 This ex- cop's name shows up multiple times as being linked to the investigation re Daniel Morgan.  The existence of such a document was denied within the last month.

 Paddick said this was on BHH's watch and if it is shown that he had knowledge of this document and misled the public, it will be fatal for him. He will not be able to remain in charge of the Met.

 The Lawrence case is disgusting. How anyone could say that the couple might have " milked it " is beyond me.
This is an illuminating article on Clifford Norris, father of one of the white thugs who killed Stephen Lawrence in a racist attack:  http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2006/aug/06/politics.lawrence but it should not be read without reference to Kenneth Noye's Wikipedia entry which makes reference to freemasonry, a known conduit for corruption in the Met, in regional police forces throughout the UK, and in other institutions where it flourishes to the detriment of both individual and collective integrity.

I share your opinion, rd. It beggars belief that anyone would seek to disparage and demean parents who have consistently displayed courage and dignity in pursuit of justice for their murdered son.

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Post by Bishop Brennan on 08.03.14 1:37

The number of high-profile cases where one or more police forces have been involved in cover-ups or much much worse is quite staggering.  And the worry is that this has become standard or accepted practice in the UK.  Plebgate tells us that it is still happening - this is not just "old news" or isolated incidents.    

We might also note that it's been a massive gamble (mistake?) for SY and BHH to go public with the fact that:

a) They are no longer helping the PJ but running their own investigation (in direct contradiction to their published remit *).
b) They are following an entirely different line of enquiry to the PJ
c) They appear to have leaked a lot of info to the press, and BHH has been on radio telling the world that they now have the suspect's names

If it turns out that the £7m has been wasted chasing shadows and barking up the wrong tree - then the desire to 'whitewash' / cover-up that catastrophic waste of money (never mind ruined reputation) would be strong indeed.   Let's just hope that events have now made that impossible, and indeed that the PJ are focussing their barking on the right tree.  


* to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter.


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Post by jeanmonroe on 08.03.14 3:00

If it turns out that the £7m has been wasted chasing shadows and barking up the wrong tree - then the desire to 'whitewash' / cover-up that catastrophic waste of money (never mind ruined reputation) would be strong indeed.   Let's just hope that events have now made that impossible, and indeed that the PJ are focussing their barking on the right tree.  
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Which would be alright ......................EXCEPT those damn pesky Portuguese have a habit of releasing 'files' into the public domain if they 'shelve' an 'investigation'"

(didn't all the McCann celebrity 'backers' disappear, PDQ, when the first lot of case 'files' were released? They could all READ what was in the 'files' too!)

And THEY were GONE!

Who knows what SY/Met infomation was 'exchanged' with the PJ when the Met went from review to investigation?

When they were 'friendly'

Could the Met seriously 'risk' that information becoming 'public'?

38 Met cops and 1 Met commissioner + 'others' (political figures?) 'involved' in a possible 'cover up'?

EXPOSED by 'released' files they have no power, or control over, to stop?

You wouldn't think so but equally you wouldn't bet your house on it!

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Post by tigger on 08.03.14 6:57

@Bishop Brennan wrote:The number of high-profile cases where one or more police forces have been involved in cover-ups or much much worse is quite staggering.  And the worry is that this has become standard or accepted practice in the UK.  Plebgate tells us that it is still happening - this is not just "old news" or isolated incidents.    

We might also note that it's been a massive gamble (mistake?) for SY and BHH to go public with the fact that:

a) They are no longer helping the PJ but running their own investigation (in direct contradiction to their published remit *).
b) They are following an entirely different line of enquiry to the PJ
c) They appear to have leaked a lot of info to the press, and BHH has been on radio telling the world that they now have the suspect's names

If it turns out that the £7m has been wasted chasing shadows and barking up the wrong tree - then the desire to 'whitewash' / cover-up that catastrophic waste of money (never mind ruined reputation) would be strong indeed.   Let's just hope that events have now made that impossible, and indeed that the PJ are focussing their barking on the right tree.  


* to examine the case and seek to determine, (as if the abduction occurred in the UK) what additional, new investigative approaches we would take and which can assist the Portuguese authorities in progressing the matter.


'Sighted sub, sank same. ' You put it in a nutshell, Bish, in future I'm just going to wait for your posts.  bravo 

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Post by Penfold on 08.03.14 8:00

Brilliant post Your Excellency! bravo  from me too!

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Post by bobbin on 08.03.14 8:20

@justathought wrote:Fellow posters
Firstly, apologise for this post being off topic. And for what its worth is no way is a comment on the rights and wrongs of any moderating decisions made.
Queried why this thread was deleted earlier. As was a bit "narked" this had happened, for a number of reasons. Got a very quick reply and explanation from "candyfloss" as to what was going on. If my memory serves me well, the same "candyfloss" whom was still moderating up until the witching hour last night.
I suppose my point is that it is easy to forget the time and effort some folks put into fighting a cause they believe in. Easy to take things for granted, as I and some others may do, and assume the site runs itself.

I want to second your vote of praise for candyfloss. It must be the devil's own job to keep a balance on a vibrant, sometimes heated debate. Candyfloss does it, day in, day out, come what may.
If it were not for her, this forum, as we know it, would be finished.
If there is any chance of Maddie seeing the justice she so deserves, we need to hope that candyfloss will keep on keeping this forum on track.
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Post by diatribe on 08.03.14 12:06

@ultimaThule wrote:


I share your opinion, rd. It beggars belief that anyone would seek to disparage and demean parents who have consistently displayed courage and dignity in pursuit of justice for their murdered son.

Are you seriously intimating that this display of 'dignity and courage' in pursuit of justice hasn't involved them making vast amounts of money on the back of their son's death. There are hundreds of families who have displayed 'courage and dignity' in pursuit of justice for their murdered relatives without pocketing a penny from the public purse, let alone demanding a major erosion of civil liberties and celebrity status.

Here's a classic example of a mother who , until her demise, fought valliantly for justice in not only the case of her missing/murdered daughter, but for many others without demanding a brass cent of taxpayer's money to fund a better lifestyle, or to maintain a high profile celebrity status.

http://www.standard.co.uk/newsheadlines/suzy-lamplughs-mother-dies-aged-75-6434518.html

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Post by ultimaThule on 08.03.14 13:43

@diatribe wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:


I share your opinion, rd. It beggars belief that anyone would seek to disparage and demean parents who have consistently displayed courage and dignity in pursuit of justice for their murdered son.

Are you seriously intimating that this display of 'dignity and courage' in pursuit of justice hasn't involved them making vast amounts of money on the back of their son's death. There are hundreds of families who have displayed 'courage and dignity' in pursuit of justice for their murdered relatives without pocketing a penny from the public purse, let alone demanding a major erosion of civil liberties and celebrity status.

Here's a classic example of a mother who , until her demise, fought valliantly for justice in not only the case of her missing/murdered daughter, but for many others without demanding a brass cent of taxpayer's money to fund a better lifestyle, or to maintain a high profile celebrity status.

http://www.standard.co.uk/newsheadlines/suzy-lamplughs-mother-dies-aged-75-6434518.html
As you are no doubt aware, diatribe, the racially motivated murder of Stephen Lawrence and the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh bear no comparison whatsoever to each other and I find it a tad ironic that, while continuing to disparage and demean Stephen's parents, you have cited a case in which the mother of the victim worked tirelessly to protect others from stalkers and harassment.

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Post by bobbin on 08.03.14 13:49

@diatribe wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:


I share your opinion, rd. It beggars belief that anyone would seek to disparage and demean parents who have consistently displayed courage and dignity in pursuit of justice for their murdered son.

Are you seriously intimating that this display of 'dignity and courage' in pursuit of justice hasn't involved them making vast amounts of money on the back of their son's death. There are hundreds of families who have displayed 'courage and dignity' in pursuit of justice for their murdered relatives without pocketing a penny from the public purse, let alone demanding a major erosion of civil liberties and celebrity status.

Here's a classic example of a mother who , until her demise, fought valliantly for justice in not only the case of her missing/murdered daughter, but for many others without demanding a brass cent of taxpayer's money to fund a better lifestyle, or to maintain a high profile celebrity status.

http://www.standard.co.uk/newsheadlines/suzy-lamplughs-mother-dies-aged-75-6434518.html




bobbin wrote:

Without reading your post any further Diatribe, than the red highlighted area, I wonder if you are not trying to force your view on others.
The purpose of this forum is for members to be able to discuss, without intimidation, the matters relevant to finding justice for Maddie.

People have differing views about all sorts of matters and I find your approach, highlighted in red, to be unpleasantly challenging.

There is always a way of saying "I politely disagree" and then agree to disagree but to introduce a post with "Are you seriously intimating" does not show respect to other posters. IMO.

If you disagree with my post then we must agree to disagree. I hope you find that acceptable.

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Post by diatribe on 08.03.14 14:40

@ultimaThule wrote:
As you are no doubt aware, diatribe, the racially motivated murder of Stephen Lawrence and the disappearance of Suzy Lamplugh bear no comparison whatsoever to each other

Other of course than the fact that they were both murdered. Are you suggesting that a woman murdered for sexual motives warrants less merit than a teenager murdered over a territorial dispute. Its utterly irrelevant that in the case of Stephen Lawrence, he was black and his attackers were white, because there are as many, if not more cases where the reverse applies.  In the case of the latter, far from the media highlighting such cases, they are either ignored or explained away by any reason, no matter how spurious, providing it doesn't contain a racialist element.


and I find it a tad ironic that, while continuing to disparage and demean Stephen's parents, you have cited a case in which the mother of the victim worked tirelessly to protect others from stalkers and harassment.

I can't see the relevance of your point or for that matter why you should consider it to be ironic, of course she worked tirelessly to protect others from stalkers and harrassment, that's one of the reasons I cited her case, although it was a random citing and there are many others I could have opted for. 

My point was, incidentally, that in the case of Suzy Lamplugh's mother, unlike the Lawrence family, her reasons were not financially orientated, neither were they politically motivated. I doubt whether there were any 'Nation of Surrey' warriors lined up outside the courtroom when her daughter was proclaimed dead in 1994, if indeed such a hearing is obligatory in a case where a missing person is officially declared to be dead.

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Post by diatribe on 08.03.14 15:00







bobbin wrote:

If you disagree with my post then we must agree to disagree. I hope you find that acceptable.

Perfectly acceptable, Bobbin.  I always attempt to accord other combatants with the same degree of courtesy as they bestow upon me.

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Post by ultimaThule on 08.03.14 15:33

"Other combatants" The only member who's at war on this forum is you, diatribe, as is clearly evidenced by the number of insulting and offensive comments you've directed at those who hold views and opinions which are not in accordance with your own.

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Post by Guest on 08.03.14 15:53

So, another thread turned into a diatribe and UT 'spat'.

This had better stop, I am fed up of this bickering lately, every thread gets disrupted.  Any more of it and the 'cooler' awaits.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 08.03.14 16:06

I started this thread.

I just wanted to point out the sheer, disgusting, 'duplicitous behaviour' of BHH, DCI Andy Redwood's 'big boss'

ENOUGH OF THE BULLSH*T 'disruption'!

"DON'T MAKE ME ANGRY, YOU WOULDN'T LIKE ME WHEN I'M ANGRY"

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Post by justathought on 08.03.14 17:11

@jeanmonroe wrote:I started this thread.

I just wanted to point out the sheer, disgusting, 'duplicitous behaviour' of BHH, DCI Andy Redwood's 'big boss'

ENOUGH OF THE BULLSH*T 'disruption'!

"DON'T MAKE ME ANGRY, YOU WOULDN'T LIKE ME WHEN I'M ANGRY"
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I am sure in my opinion, that B H-H was assisted with the comments he made by The Met's media section. They smack of almost coming straight from a politician's mouth. 
We the general public are expected to be taken in, by such "heartfelt" statements, when in reality they are just empty platitudes?!

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Post by ultimaThule on 08.03.14 17:36

@justathought wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:I started this thread.

I just wanted to point out the sheer, disgusting, 'duplicitous behaviour' of BHH, DCI Andy Redwood's 'big boss'

ENOUGH OF THE BULLSH*T 'disruption'!

"DON'T MAKE ME ANGRY, YOU WOULDN'T LIKE ME WHEN I'M ANGRY"
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I am sure in my opinion, that B H-H was assisted with the comments he made by The Met's media section. They smack of almost coming straight from a politician's mouth. 
We the general public are expected to be taken in, by such "heartfelt" statements, when in reality they are just empty platitudes?!
B H-H's words 'smack of almost coming straight from a policitian's mouth', jat, because he's served by the same spinmerchants whose brief is to make his political masters look as if they give a damn about those they govern and control.  

Against all the odds, what the Lawrences have achieved is to expose the endemic racism and corruption that continues to prevail in the Metropolitant Police: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576268/Mother-murdered-Stephen-Lawrence-demands-Met-Police-chief-takes-decisive-action-wake-revelation-forces-spying-tactics.html

In common with so many of his predecessors, B H-H has become a liability but, until such time as freemasonry is rooted out lock, stock, and barrel, from those institutions which are infested with its clandestine practices,the chances of ridding the Met of the ills that historically and currently possess it are slim to zero,

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Post by justathought on 08.03.14 17:53

@ultimaThule wrote:
@justathought wrote:
@jeanmonroe wrote:I started this thread.

I just wanted to point out the sheer, disgusting, 'duplicitous behaviour' of BHH, DCI Andy Redwood's 'big boss'

ENOUGH OF THE BULLSH*T 'disruption'!

"DON'T MAKE ME ANGRY, YOU WOULDN'T LIKE ME WHEN I'M ANGRY"
jeanmonroe
I am sure in my opinion, that B H-H was assisted with the comments he made by The Met's media section. They smack of almost coming straight from a politician's mouth. 
We the general public are expected to be taken in, by such "heartfelt" statements, when in reality they are just empty platitudes?!
B H-H's words 'smack of almost coming straight from a policitian's mouth', jat, because he's served by the same spinmerchants whose brief is to make his political masters look as if they give a damn about those they govern and control.  

Against all the odds, what the Lawrences have achieved is to expose the endemic racism and corruption that continues to prevail in the Metropolitant Police: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2576268/Mother-murdered-Stephen-Lawrence-demands-Met-Police-chief-takes-decisive-action-wake-revelation-forces-spying-tactics.html

In common with so many of his predecessors, B H-H has become a liability but, until such time as freemasonry is rooted out lock, stock, and barrel, from those institutions which are infested with its clandestine practices,the chances of ridding the Met of the ills that historically and currently possess it are slim to zero,
I suppose part of the point I was trying to make and didn't put over properly. Is that B H-H appears to be portraying a genuine passion to change things. When in reality he personally won't (for a variety of reasons) and he knows he won't. He is living a lie. 
Strange as it may seem, I would have had more respect for him. If he hadn't "dressed up" his comments (or The Met's media section hadn't) with empty platitudes.
ps maybe CM is doing a bit "moonlighting" for B H-H, advising him as to how to spin things?!

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Post by ultimaThule on 08.03.14 18:59

The reason B H-H was made Commissioner over other equally worthy and unworthy candidates is that he was able to more convincingly portray 'a genuine passion to change things' to suit his political masters.  

However, his employers should have taken time to scrutinise his c.v more thoroughly and taken note of that additional H for which he's now under investigation, namely Hillsborough. 

Rumour has it there was much rejoicing when CM took the McCanns Kennedy's shilling and, on that basis, I would think it safe to surmise his days of spinning for any government institution are well and truly over unless, of course, he's able to persuade the good people of Brighton Pavillion to elevate him to a seat in that pig trough which is known as the Commons.

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Post by PeterMac on 08.03.14 19:38

@ultimaThule wrote: I would think it safe to surmise his days of spinning for any government institution are well and truly over unless, of course, he's able to persuade the good people of Brighton Pavillion to elevate him to a seat in that pig trough which is known as the Commons.
I hope you are right.
Material has also been sent to the present incumbent.
If there is ever a public debate, it could be most interesting, and entertaining !

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Post by Guest on 08.03.14 19:40

@PeterMac wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote: I would think it safe to surmise his days of spinning for any government institution are well and truly over unless, of course, he's able to persuade the good people of Brighton Pavillion to elevate him to a seat in that pig trough which is known as the Commons.
I hope you are right.
Material has also been sent to the present incumbent.
If there is ever a public debate, it could be most interesting, and entertaining !
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Post by PeterMac on 08.03.14 19:49

Châtelaine wrote:
Naughty, naughty ...  But probably very effective  ...  big grin 
You should never withhold anything from your elected representative, nor from your GP, nor from your tax man ! !

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Post by ultimaThule on 08.03.14 20:16

Rightly or wrongly, I formed the impression there was more in it for CM than Kennedy's 80 grand per annum which seems a somewhat derisory sum for a mid-ranking civil servant to forego job security until he reaches pensionable age with a tidy sum in the pot at the end of his tenure. 

Maybe some of the famed Mcpsychic powers rubbed off on the bouffant haired one - how else would he have had known in September 2007 that, having been abducted in May, Madeleine wouldn't be found possibly in Morocco, a country which his new paymaster was inordinately interested in selling double glazing searching?

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Post by Guest on 08.03.14 21:26

Is it too far a stretch of imagination to suppose mr Hogmanay just missed torpedoeing his subordinate AR's investigation?

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Post by petunia on 08.03.14 22:46

imo the the British govermemt is Corrupt regardless of who is in power (they all piss in the same pot) to coin a phrase.. The newspapers and news channels imo already try to tell us what to think and how to react to things.In ten years time, Russia and China will have freedom of speech imo.. Great Britain will be like Russia and China god help my Grandchildren that is all i can say

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