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Post by Cristobell on 24.02.14 17:52

Does anyone think the McCanns may have been made arguidos again?

I have never seen a definitive answer as to the McCanns' status if the case were to be re-opened. From what we have learned about arguido status, it protects the position of the witness, so it would in fact be in the McCanns interests.

This time around, they are not speaking to the press, nor are they giving interviews. We don't have a reliable source for the stories that are reaching the press, though we all have a good idea where they are coming from. Judicial secrecy must now be back in force, the Portuguese investigation is live so that might account for their silence, but I wonder if they can keep an arguido status secret?

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Post by sami on 24.02.14 19:23

Is it relevant unless the PJ want to talk to them ?  I mean the status, not your question, btw.  

Unless the PJ want to interview them again, they could be called cabbages for all that it means.

However, if they do re-confirm the status prior to "chatting" to them, that will be very interesting indeed.

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Post by ultimaThule on 24.02.14 19:57

The McCanns' arguidos status was lifted immediately prior to the PJ's investigation being shelved in 2008 and when the investigation was taken off the shelf, dusted down, and re-opened last year, the status was not re-imposed on them. 

However, in light of the McCanns' faiure to fully comply with the PJ's requests I suspect that, in the absence of a JIT,  the only way the PJ will get to question them again will be to make them suspects, as opposed to persons of interest, and issue EAWs pursuant to extradition proceedings.

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Post by Hobs on 24.02.14 20:14

Since the case has been reopened in Portugal and noting the deafening silence from the mccanns themselves, i think it highly likely they are now arguidos again.

This gives them legal protection  by allowing them to refuse to answer questions or cooperare and allows them to lie through their teeth when questioned.
As witnesses they would be compelled to fully cooperate and to tell the truth on pain of jail.

They would either have offered to be mmade arguidos or, more likely, imposed on them , that way, should push comes to shove, they can blame the nasty Portuguese police for doing it.

They won't be announicing it to the public oir media on the grounds it would affect  any donations coming in andf would also paint them in a bad light, not good especially given the libel trial and the SY investigation.

This may explain why we have had so many leaks from sources and nothing from the gruesome twosome.

The PJ cannot and will not say how their investigation is going which is manna from heaven for the gruesomes  as they can have their sources spin all sorts of crap and the PJ can't refute it.

SY is also playing a smart game i feel, they know the evidence and would be foolish to try and cover up, they may be in charge today but tommorow is a new gov't and new bosses and the truth has a nasty habit of coming out sooner or later.

 Would they rather be remembered for doing the best job and getting justice or   participating in a cover up and likely doing time.

SY will be leaking little nuggets to see who is doing the leaking and to see how the gruesomes react.

The fruesomes will be grabbing at straws and anything thet points away from them and their chums, anything that could be spun in a positive way will be  seized with both hands and leaked to the media with their own spin on it  of course/

It's like chess, with the good guys on 3 sides and the gruesomes on the 4th.

Once they have removed the chaff, the impossibles, the sightings that never were etc they will be focussed on the guilty. the mccanns.

The case then becomes who will roll on who first?

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Post by ultimaThule on 24.02.14 20:47

If you recall, Hobs, when the PJ's investigation was re-opened there was anything but a deafening silence from the gruesomes as their Portuguese solicitor, together with the expected UK 'source', got the loud hailers out to announce that, far from being made arguidos, the McCanns would be made assistentes in order that they could assist the investigation which, if you also recall, sparked some debate here at the prospect of G&K sifting through those PJ files which have yet to be made public.  big grin 

Needless to say, the McCanns have not been made assistentes and IMO it is not in the interests of the PJ investigation to make them arguidos any more than it is for NSY to state that they are persons of interest to Operation Grange at the present time.

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Post by Hobs on 24.02.14 22:13

@ultimaThule wrote:If you recall, Hobs, when the PJ's investigation was re-opened there was anything but a deafening silence from the gruesomes as their Portuguese solicitor, together with the expected UK 'source', got the loud hailers out to announce that, far from being made arguidos, the McCanns would be made assistentes in order that they could assist the investigation which, if you also recall, sparked some debate here at the prospect of G&K sifting through those PJ files which have yet to be made public.  big grin 

Needless to say, the McCanns have not been made assistentes and IMO it is not in the interests of the PJ investigation to make them arguidos any more than it is for NSY to state that they are persons of interest to Operation Grange at the present time.

I suspect they were putting their spin on things should anything have gotten out regarding their 'helping' the PJ

They never say anything without good reason.

They kniw they would likely and inevitably become arguidos either the moment the case was reopened  or the moment the PJ asked a question.

Rather than have ot come out they were being made arguidos, they spun it that they were the ones making the request to be assistante which sounds way better than 'suspect'

It would also mean that should they be obliged to return tp Portugal they could then spin it as they were helping the PH in their role as parents, knowing the PJ cannot refute said claim due to the privacy laws.

Since then we have found out their request as assistante was refuse i understand.

This would also in part explain the silence since there is no way in hell they can positively spin being arguidos aaand the saw the results last time when the fund took a massive hitfrom fewer donations.

Since it cannot be positively spun they will do what they always do which is divert attention via their spokespoodle whilst staying schtum thus allowing them the defence of we didn't know he wou;d say that, he didn't have out permission and of course the ever popular plausible deniability.

It explains the leaks refarding tractor man/ chmabermaid ex employee/ the burglars (i so love they used the number 3 which is the liar's number)

It seems even they have realised the futility of fake sightings.

Apart from it costing money to have someone say we saw Maddie/a strange man/ a strange woman/a car/ a rock that didn't fit in with the other rocks  it got so blatant that forums were playing guess the sighting and more often than not we were close not only with location but also the sighter and date.

Since sightings no longer work since even joe public is noticing how often they crop up in relation to bad news for the gruesomes, all they have left is pin the blame on the dodgy suspect which comes in a range of sizes, colors, genders and swarthiness sometimes even for the same suspect!

They are trapped in a corner with no way out , desperate people do desperate things as we have seen in all too many cases and in this one, even to the fact that late has telegraphed murder-suicide of her family.

How much longer can she  maintain the charade before something snaps?
When she snaps who will she take with her?

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Post by ultimaThule on 24.02.14 23:47

On reading the small print which lurked between the lines of the large print about the McCanns' applying to be made assistentes, it became apparent that, although actively contributing to the general impression that the McCanns were regarded by the PJ as being above the law beyond reproach and that such status would automatically be conferred on them, what their Portuguese lawyer actually said was that his clients may apply to be made assistentes.  

However, when perusing the Portuguese penal code I formed the impression that, as the McCanns do not hold parental responsibilty for the child, namely Madeleine McCann, they have no legal right to apply to enjoin themselves in any capacity to any police investigation into her disappearance.

I have no doubt that the PJ officers who are deployed on the re-opened investigation have learned a lot from the experiences of those who initially worked the case and, IMO, it seems unlikely the McCanns will be made arguidos in absentia. 

I believe it is significant that since the commencement of the libel trial back in September of last year, each of the McCanns have attended on separate dates thus ensuring they have not stepped foot on Portuguese soil together as a couple.

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Post by lj on 25.02.14 14:22

@Hobs wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:If you recall, Hobs, when the PJ's investigation was re-opened there was anything but a deafening silence from the gruesomes as their Portuguese solicitor, together with the expected UK 'source', got the loud hailers out to announce that, far from being made arguidos, the McCanns would be made assistentes in order that they could assist the investigation which, if you also recall, sparked some debate here at the prospect of G&K sifting through those PJ files which have yet to be made public.  big grin 

Needless to say, the McCanns have not been made assistentes and IMO it is not in the interests of the PJ investigation to make them arguidos any more than it is for NSY to state that they are persons of interest to Operation Grange at the present time.

I suspect they were putting their spin on things should anything have gotten out regarding their 'helping' the PJ

They never say anything without good reason.

They kniw they would likely and inevitably become arguidos either the moment the case was reopened  or the moment the PJ asked a question.

Rather than have ot come out they were being made arguidos, they spun it that they were the ones making the request to be assistante which sounds way better than 'suspect'

It would also mean that should they be obliged to return tp Portugal they could then spin it as they were helping the PH in their role as parents, knowing the PJ cannot refute said claim due to the privacy laws.

Since then we have found out their request as assistante was refuse i understand.

This would also in part explain the silence since there is no way in hell they can positively spin being arguidos aaand the saw the results last time when the fund took a massive hitfrom fewer donations.

Since it cannot be positively spun they will do what they always do which is divert attention via their spokespoodle whilst staying schtum thus allowing them the defence of we didn't know he wou;d say that, he didn't have out permission and of course the ever popular plausible deniability.

It explains the leaks refarding tractor man/ chmabermaid ex employee/ the burglars (i so love they used the number 3 which is the liar's number)

It seems even they have realised the futility of fake sightings.

Apart from it costing money to have someone say we saw Maddie/a strange man/ a strange woman/a car/ a rock that didn't fit in with the other rocks  it got so blatant that forums were playing guess the sighting and more often than not we were close not only with location but also the sighter and date.

Since sightings no longer work since even joe public is noticing how often they crop up in relation to bad news for the gruesomes, all they have left is pin the blame on the dodgy suspect which comes in a range of sizes, colors, genders and swarthiness sometimes even for the same suspect!

They are trapped in a corner with no way out , desperate people do desperate things as we have seen in all too many cases and in this one, even to the fact that late has telegraphed murder-suicide of her family.

How much longer can she  maintain the charade before something snaps?
When she snaps who will she take with her?


I am not able to keep up with all the news, can you give me a link to that? TIA

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Post by diatribe on 25.02.14 16:54

@ultimaThule wrote:
However, in light of the McCanns' faiure to fully comply with the PJ's requests I suspect that, in the absence of a JIT,  the only way the PJ will get to question them again will be to make them suspects, as opposed to persons of interest, and issue EAWs pursuant to extradition proceedings.

But would making the McCanns suspects enable the Portugese authorities to institute extradition proceedings merely on the basis that they wish to question them? I'd have thought that any request for extradition would require to be substantiated with tangible evidence.

I would have thought the McCanns would be of the same mind, hence their rapid retreat from Portugal back in 2007, not to mention their retention of a lawyer specialising in the field of extradition procedures.

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Post by ultimaThule on 25.02.14 19:01

@lj wrote:
@Hobs wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:If you recall, Hobs, when the PJ's investigation was re-opened there was anything but a deafening silence from the gruesomes as their Portuguese solicitor, together with the expected UK 'source', got the loud hailers out to announce that, far from being made arguidos, the McCanns would be made assistentes in order that they could assist the investigation which, if you also recall, sparked some debate here at the prospect of G&K sifting through those PJ files which have yet to be made public.  big grin 

Needless to say, the McCanns have not been made assistentes and IMO it is not in the interests of the PJ investigation to make them arguidos any more than it is for NSY to state that they are persons of interest to Operation Grange at the present time.

I suspect they were putting their spin on things should anything have gotten out regarding their 'helping' the PJ

They never say anything without good reason.

They kniw they would likely and inevitably become arguidos either the moment the case was reopened  or the moment the PJ asked a question.

Rather than have ot come out they were being made arguidos, they spun it that they were the ones making the request to be assistante which sounds way better than 'suspect'

It would also mean that should they be obliged to return tp Portugal they could then spin it as they were helping the PH in their role as parents, knowing the PJ cannot refute said claim due to the privacy laws.

Since then we have found out their request as assistante was refuse i understand.

This would also in part explain the silence since there is no way in hell they can positively spin being arguidos aaand the saw the results last time when the fund took a massive hitfrom fewer donations.

Since it cannot be positively spun they will do what they always do which is divert attention via their spokespoodle whilst staying schtum thus allowing them the defence of we didn't know he wou;d say that, he didn't have out permission and of course the ever popular plausible deniability.

It explains the leaks refarding tractor man/ chmabermaid ex employee/ the burglars (i so love they used the number 3 which is the liar's number)

It seems even they have realised the futility of fake sightings.

Apart from it costing money to have someone say we saw Maddie/a strange man/ a strange woman/a car/ a rock that didn't fit in with the other rocks  it got so blatant that forums were playing guess the sighting and more often than not we were close not only with location but also the sighter and date.

Since sightings no longer work since even joe public is noticing how often they crop up in relation to bad news for the gruesomes, all they have left is pin the blame on the dodgy suspect which comes in a range of sizes, colors, genders and swarthiness sometimes even for the same suspect!

They are trapped in a corner with no way out , desperate people do desperate things as we have seen in all too many cases and in this one, even to the fact that kate has telegraphed murder-suicide of her family.

How much longer can she  maintain the charade before something snaps?
When she snaps who will she take with her?


I am not able to keep up with all the news, can you give me a link to that? TIA
I suspect Hobs may have been referring to this quote from the CTN interview as shown on mccannfiles.com, lj:  Kate said: "It really isn't easy," coping. "Some days are better than others. ... There's days when you think, 'I can't do this anymore,' and you just want to press a button, and we're all gone, and it's all finished, and we're all together and gone.

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Post by Hobs on 25.02.14 21:46

@lj wrote:
@Hobs wrote:
@ultimaThule wrote:If you recall, Hobs, when the PJ's investigation was re-opened there was anything but a deafening silence from the gruesomes as their Portuguese solicitor, together with the expected UK 'source', got the loud hailers out to announce that, far from being made arguidos, the McCanns would be made assistentes in order that they could assist the investigation which, if you also recall, sparked some debate here at the prospect of G&K sifting through those PJ files which have yet to be made public.  big grin 

Needless to say, the McCanns have not been made assistentes and IMO it is not in the interests of the PJ investigation to make them arguidos any more than it is for NSY to state that they are persons of interest to Operation Grange at the present time.

I suspect they were putting their spin on things should anything have gotten out regarding their 'helping' the PJ

They never say anything without good reason.

They kniw they would likely and inevitably become arguidos either the moment the case was reopened  or the moment the PJ asked a question.

Rather than have ot come out they were being made arguidos, they spun it that they were the ones making the request to be assistante which sounds way better than 'suspect'

It would also mean that should they be obliged to return tp Portugal they could then spin it as they were helping the PH in their role as parents, knowing the PJ cannot refute said claim due to the privacy laws.

Since then we have found out their request as assistante was refuse i understand.

This would also in part explain the silence since there is no way in hell they can positively spin being arguidos aaand the saw the results last time when the fund took a massive hitfrom fewer donations.

Since it cannot be positively spun they will do what they always do which is divert attention via their spokespoodle whilst staying schtum thus allowing them the defence of we didn't know he wou;d say that, he didn't have out permission and of course the ever popular plausible deniability.

It explains the leaks refarding tractor man/ chmabermaid ex employee/ the burglars (i so love they used the number 3 which is the liar's number)

It seems even they have realised the futility of fake sightings.

Apart from it costing money to have someone say we saw Maddie/a strange man/ a strange woman/a car/ a rock that didn't fit in with the other rocks  it got so blatant that forums were playing guess the sighting and more often than not we were close not only with location but also the sighter and date.

Since sightings no longer work since even joe public is noticing how often they crop up in relation to bad news for the gruesomes, all they have left is pin the blame on the dodgy suspect which comes in a range of sizes, colors, genders and swarthiness sometimes even for the same suspect!

They are trapped in a corner with no way out , desperate people do desperate things as we have seen in all too many cases and in this one, even to the fact that late has telegraphed murder-suicide of her family.

How much longer can she  maintain the charade before something snaps?
When she snaps who will she take with her?


I am not able to keep up with all the news, can you give me a link to that? TIA
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Post by ultimaThule on 27.02.14 0:39

By way of further explanation, when the PJ's investigation was re-opened last year much was made of the fact that the McCanns were no longer arguidos (persons of interest) and it was widely reported, based on information provided by their Portuguese solicitor and, of course, the customary 'source',  that they would be made assistentes (assistants) to the investigation.

At that point I became curious as to what actual benefit or licence assistente status conferred and when I began reading the relevant sections of Portugal's penal code it appeared to me that a) this status does not allow the holder to play any active part in an investigation such as having access to files or directing the course of the proceedings and b) no parent or guardian is entitled to apply for assistente status in an investigation into a crime against a child they do not hold parental responsibility for. 

Please note I'm fully prepared to accept that my interpretation of the relevant part of the criminal code is wrong but if I'm correct it may explain why, some many months after the announcement, no fanfare of trumpets has heralded the occasion of G&K being given a status which the MSM led many to believe was, effectively, a done deal.

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Post by tigger on 27.02.14 6:11

@ultimaThule wrote:By way of further explanation, when the PJ's investigation was re-opened last year much was made of the fact that the McCanns were no longer arguidos (persons of interest) and it was widely reported, based on information provided by their Portuguese solicitor and, of course, the customary 'source',  that they would be made assistentes (assistants) to the investigation.

At that point I became curious as to what actual benefit or licence assistente status conferred and when I began reading the relevant sections of Portugal's penal code it appeared to me that a) this status does not allow the holder to play any active part in an investigation such as having access to files or directing the course of the proceedings and b) no parent or guardian is entitled to apply for assistente status in an investigation into a crime against a child they do not hold parental responsibility for. 

Please note I'm fully prepared to accept that my interpretation of the relevant part of the criminal code is wrong but if I'm correct it may explain why, some many months after the announcement, no fanfare of trumpets has heralded the occasion of G&K being given a status which the MSM led many to believe was, effectively, a done deal.

For a start the WOC status of Maddie would exclude them I suppose.

Question 41: re the transfer of Maddie to another family member more than hints at the parents' desire to have someone else responsible for her.
Within days od her disappearance all responsibility for her was transferred to the state.

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Post by russiandoll on 27.02.14 9:44

WOC status might have been conferred on Maddie to secure her wellbeing should she be found abroad, the State ensuring her safe return to the UK and taking responsibility for her in the interim period between discovery and journey home.

 Will do some research on this issue.

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Post by Guest on 27.02.14 9:59

Perhaps the insistence of the fact that Mr and Mrs are not suspects or persons of interest (by SY and PJ) is due to the fact that their Arguido status has not been re-instated by the PJ. 
I was looking back as to why they were never re-interviewed at the time of the rogatorys done by PJ and Leicester Police in 2008.
And although the PJ wanted to, the Public Ministry removed this from the list of diligences because:

"the prosecutor understood that the diligence was useless and a waste of time, because the parents could refuse to answer the questions, according to the rights that the Portuguese law gives to arguidos"

And so by insisting now that they are not suspects or Arguidos opens the way for them to be questioned by the PJ without the protection offered by this status. ie they could not refuse to answer any questions.

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Post by tungsten tel on 27.02.14 10:54

Nearly 7 years ago I was watching sky news when the news of KM aguido status broke . Within no time at all sky had a legal person in the studio explaining that under Portuguese law you are either a witness or a suspect . KM firstly and then GM  were made suspects because they refused to answer questions as witnesses . THEY MADE THEMSELVES AGUIDOS . Seems to me if they were invited to answer the same set of questions they would very quickly become aguidos once again . Coz in my humble opinion theres not a cat in hells chance of them assisting in helping the PJ to solve the disappearance of a little girl nearly 7 years ago .

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Post by Doug D on 27.02.14 11:26

As I understood it from before, as soon as suspicion arose, having given a statement or answered/not answered  an incriminating question, arguido status became mandatory in order to protect their rights, which was followed by the pageful of ‘no comments’ from KM, which she was legally entitled and probably advised to give.
 
I wonder what the position is now if they were questioned in the UK at the request of the PJ, but not being arguidos at the time.

I can't see how, if the PJ made the request to SY to go through the discrepancies in their statements and the 48 questions etc,  they could not be considered arguidos, so it would be back to square one and the PJ's belief in the pointlessness of going down the rog. route with the Mc's.
 


 
 

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Post by Guest on 27.02.14 11:38

[quote="Doug D"As I understood it from before, as soon as suspicion arose, having given a statement or answered/not answered  an incriminating question, arguido status became mandatory in order to protect their rights, which was followed by the pageful of ‘no comments’ from KM, which she was legally entitled and probably advised to give.[/size]

I wonder what the position is now if they were questioned in the UK at the request of the PJ, but not being arguidos at the time.

I can't see how, if the PJ made the request to SY to go through the discrepancies in their statements and the 48 questions etc,  they could not be considered arguidos, so it would be back to square one and the PJ's belief in the pointlessness of going down the rog. route with the Mc's.

Thank Doug,
So if they were to be questioned again as witnesses and not arguidos and they refused to answer the questions again, they would then become arguidos again?
But that would be their worst nightmare.
They would be between a grey stone slab and the deep Atlantic ocean.

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Post by Doug D on 27.02.14 11:47

D.
Not quite what I was trying to say. From the position we are in now, having been arguidos, but then released, to go back now to interrogate them again just as witnesses doesn't seem logical.

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Post by Cristobell on 27.02.14 13:20

@Doug D wrote:D.
Not quite what I was trying to say. From the position we are in now, having been arguidos, but then released, to go back now to interrogate them again just as witnesses doesn't seem logical.


Thats why I am wondering if they are now Arguidos Doug, but keeping it very quiet. Its absolute nonsense for SY and the PJ to say they have eliminated them from the enquiry when they have all clearly lied. How were they eliminated? Did they pass a lie detector test? is there absolute proof that they were elsewhere when 'the crime' was committed? Are Eddie and Keela facing charges of fraud? What is there of substance to prove that the parents and their friends could not possibly be responsible for Madeleine's disappearance to the extent that two police forces have eliminated all of them at the start of the multi million pound/euro investigations?

There is not one iota of evidence that there was an abduction, the abductor seen by Jane has been proved not to have been abducting a child. Flimsy as that was, it was all they had to prove an abduction. When DCI Redwood announced the parents were not people of interest, he just stopped there. He didn't say because........[fill in the gaps], he gave us no concrete reason as to why they have discarded the parents and friends.

I think there is a huge veil of secrecy over both investigations. We hear about the police interviewing the wife of tractorman, but we never hear about the police, either SY or the PJ, interviewing anyone connected with the McCanns or their friends. Its quite amazing really, because every real or fictional investigation I have ever seen begins with those closest to the deceased/missing person. What if someone had a grudge against one of the doctors (there were 6 of them) and took the wrong child? What if Russell wasn't looking after his sick child?

We are to believe they are focusing on 70billion other people on the planet before looking at those who had care, contact and access to Madeleine, ie, the ones in her immediate vicinity at the time she vanished? This may or may not be (I think not) be what SY are doing, but anytime now the PJ will want further interviews, they may even be pursuing them now, and as soon as a news source gets a whiff of one of the tapas group or family being interviewed, the McCann house of cards will collapse.


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Post by Guest on 27.02.14 13:31

@Cristobell wrote:
@Doug D wrote:D.
Not quite what I was trying to say. From the position we are in now, having been arguidos, but then released, to go back now to interrogate them again just as witnesses doesn't seem logical.


Thats why I am wondering if they are now Arguidos Doug, but keeping it very quiet.  Its absolute nonsense for SY and the PJ to say they have eliminated them from the enquiry when they have all clearly lied.  How were they eliminated?  Did they pass a lie detector test? is there absolute proof that they were elsewhere when 'the crime' was committed?  Are Eddie and Keela facing charges of fraud?  What is there of substance to prove that the parents and their friends could not possibly be responsible for Madeleine's disappearance to the extent that two police forces have eliminated all of them at the start of the multi million pound/euro investigations?

There is not one iota of evidence that there was an abduction, the abductor seen by Jane has been proved not to have been abducting a child.  Flimsy as that was, it was all they had to prove an abduction.  When DCI Redwood announced the parents were not people of interest, he just stopped there.  He didn't say because........[fill in the gaps], he gave us no concrete reason as to why they have discarded the parents and friends.

I think there is a huge veil of secrecy over both investigations.  We hear about the police interviewing the wife of tractorman, but we never hear about the police, either SY or the PJ, interviewing anyone connected with the McCanns or their friends.  Its quite amazing really, because every real or fictional investigation I have ever seen begins with those closest to the deceased/missing person. What if someone had a grudge against one of the doctors (there were 6 of them) and took the wrong child?  What if Russell wasn't looking after his sick child?  

We are to believe they are focusing on 70billion other people on the planet before looking at those who had care, contact and access to Madeleine, ie, the ones in her immediate vicinity at the time she vanished?  This may or may not be (I think not) be what SY are doing, but anytime now the PJ will want further interviews, they may even be pursuing them now, and as soon as a news source gets a whiff of one of the tapas group or family being interviewed, the McCann house of cards will collapse.

Hi Cristobell, have the PJ and SY eliminated them from the inquiry? Or have they just said they are not suspects or persons of interest.
Because there must be a process of elimination for them to be eliminated. 
Is it all just a play on words because of the arguido status?

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Post by Cristobell on 27.02.14 13:35

dantezebu wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:
@Doug D wrote:D.
Not quite what I was trying to say. From the position we are in now, having been arguidos, but then released, to go back now to interrogate them again just as witnesses doesn't seem logical.


Thats why I am wondering if they are now Arguidos Doug, but keeping it very quiet.  Its absolute nonsense for SY and the PJ to say they have eliminated them from the enquiry when they have all clearly lied.  How were they eliminated?  Did they pass a lie detector test? is there absolute proof that they were elsewhere when 'the crime' was committed?  Are Eddie and Keela facing charges of fraud?  What is there of substance to prove that the parents and their friends could not possibly be responsible for Madeleine's disappearance to the extent that two police forces have eliminated all of them at the start of the multi million pound/euro investigations?

There is not one iota of evidence that there was an abduction, the abductor seen by Jane has been proved not to have been abducting a child.  Flimsy as that was, it was all they had to prove an abduction.  When DCI Redwood announced the parents were not people of interest, he just stopped there.  He didn't say because........[fill in the gaps], he gave us no concrete reason as to why they have discarded the parents and friends.

I think there is a huge veil of secrecy over both investigations.  We hear about the police interviewing the wife of tractorman, but we never hear about the police, either SY or the PJ, interviewing anyone connected with the McCanns or their friends.  Its quite amazing really, because every real or fictional investigation I have ever seen begins with those closest to the deceased/missing person. What if someone had a grudge against one of the doctors (there were 6 of them) and took the wrong child?  What if Russell wasn't looking after his sick child?  

We are to believe they are focusing on 70billion other people on the planet before looking at those who had care, contact and access to Madeleine, ie, the ones in her immediate vicinity at the time she vanished?  This may or may not be (I think not) be what SY are doing, but anytime now the PJ will want further interviews, they may even be pursuing them now, and as soon as a news source gets a whiff of one of the tapas group or family being interviewed, the McCann house of cards will collapse.

Hi Cristobell, have the PJ and SY eliminated them from the inquiry? Or have they just said they are not suspects or persons of interest.
Because there must be a process of elimination for them to be eliminated. 
Is it all just a play on words because of the arguido status?


I should know better Dantezabu, sorry, I meant 'not persons of interest'. I don't think he used the word eliminated. Too much twitter, the shills use it a lot!

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Post by Casey5 on 27.02.14 13:36

@russiandoll wrote:WOC status might have been conferred on Maddie to secure her wellbeing should she be found abroad, the State ensuring her safe return to the UK and taking responsibility for her in the interim period between discovery and journey home.

 Will do some research on this issue.

If Madeleine was found abroad - having been abducted - then being a WOC would have little significance since it would be a police matter totally. The police would act to return her to her parents.
It's usually used when a child has been abducted by one of the parents and the other parent has custody. It has never been used, apparently, in a similar set of circumstances and in this instance was set up by the International Family Law Group the McCanns hired days after Madeleine disappeared.

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Post by Casey5 on 27.02.14 13:45

@Doug D wrote:D.
Not quite what I was trying to say. From the position we are in now, having been arguidos, but then released, to go back now to interrogate them again just as witnesses doesn't seem logical.

Witnesses can only be asked questions that wont incriminate them and they can not refuse to answer them, on pain of imprisonment.

If the police want to ask them questions which may incriminate them e.g "did you drug your children every night or only on the night Madeleine disappeared"? then the police would have to make them arguidos prior to questioning them in order to protect their rights. Any witness is also allowed to request arguidoship.

It's similar to being questioned under caution in the UK.

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Post by Guest on 27.02.14 13:45

Don't be sorry Cristobell, I wasn't questioning you. I thought it might have been something I had missed.

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