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Post by Tony Bennett on 23.02.14 23:06

The Daily Mail has a circulation of 1.85 million daily, according to the ABC Bureau which audits newspaper circulation.

Only The Sun can top that, at 2.4 million daily.

The Mirror lags behind, in third place, at 1.05 million, though 15 years ago it sold more than the Mail.

Readership is generally reckoned at double the number of copies sold

The circulation of all newspapers has slumped by between 25% and 50% in the past 12 years.


So - nearly 4 million people tomorrow will read about top Labour Party people (including the Deputy Leader) who think having sex with children is not abusing them. The Labour Party hates the Daily Mail, and its editor Paul Dacre, with undisguised contempt

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Post by tasprin on 23.02.14 23:12

Harman & Co have probably been advised by Tony Blair to take some sleeping pills, keep quiet, 'keep strong... it will pass, tough up’. .

Glad to see the Mail are not allowing it to 'pass'.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 23.02.14 23:20

@tasprin wrote:Harman & Co have probably been advised by Tony Blair to take some sleeping pills, keep quiet, 'keep strong... it will pass, tough up’...
But the paedophiles are getting what they want by another route...

...by creating sexually aware infants...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/8788444/Primaries-forced-to-give-sex-education-to-be-Healthy-Schools.html

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Re: Daily Mail - The truth about Labour's apologists for paedophilia:

Post by Tony Bennett on 23.02.14 23:30

More on this subject from a book by the Family Education Trust:

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Chapter 4

Sex education: an ideological battleground
Few parents are aware of the extent to which sex education in schools has become an ideological battleground, on which a war is being waged for the hearts and minds of their children. For over half a century the IPPF and its member family planning associations have laboured to overcome children’s natural modesty and the protective instincts of parents by means of compulsory sex education in schools linked to the provision of free birth control services without the knowledge or consent of parents.

The Parental Right of Withdrawal
In the political arena, one of the key issues to come to the fore has been whether sex education in schools should be mandatory for all pupils or whether parents should have the right to withdraw their children from classes which are contrary to their philosophical and religious beliefs, as is the case in religious education.

This debate has taken place amid growing controversy about the nature and effectiveness of sex education in schools over the past forty years. This controversy has occasioned a succession of amendments to Acts of Parliament and guidance documents from the Department for Education. These have addressed the question of whether and to what extent parents should have control over the provision of sex education in schools. The very suggestion that parents should be involved in determining the curriculum and the manner of its delivery has been vigorously opposed by the Family Planning Association, the Brook Advisory Centres and the Campaign for Homosexual Equality.
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SEX EDUCATION: AN IDEOLOGICAL BATTLEGROUND
It was the 1993 Education Act which allowed parents for the first time to withdraw their children from all or part of the sex education programme (though not from science lessons covering human growth and reproduction) without needing to provide any explanation or to obtain permission from the school. It also gave parents a legal right to a copy of the school’s sex education policy, a summary of which had to be included in the school prospectus. Parents were additionally entitled to a copy of any syllabus used by teachers and to see textbooks and other resources used in sex education.

This was followed by guidance from the Department of Education which stated that:
Giving an individual pupil advice (on contraception) without parental knowledge or consent would be an inappropriate exercise of a teacher’s responsibilities.47

The following year the government was heavily criticised by the United Nations Committee on the Rights of the Child which viewed the parental right of withdrawal as a breach of the right of the child to express his/her opinion. 48
The Children’s Legal Centre, which was established in 1981 in the aftermath of the 1979 International Year of the Child, considered it ‘irresponsible’ to allow parents the freedom to withdraw their children from sex education classes and was ‘appalled’ that parents would wish to deprive their children of such instruction on the grounds of immorality. 49

The Children’s Rights Development Unit (CRDU) was similarly ‘disturbed’ by the thought of parents being able to control and veto the sex education received by their children in

47 Department for Education (1994) Sex Education in Schools. Circular 5/94, London: HMSO.
48 Concluding observations of the Committee on the Rights of the Child: United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. 15/02/95. CRC/C/15/Add.34

49 Childright, Issue 98, July 1993

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school. In its UK Agenda for Children, it asserted that basic information about human development and reproduction is insufficient. Children needed family planning education - and they needed it ‘from a very early age’. The Agenda insisted that in order to comply with the UN Convention on the Rights of the Child:
Sex education in school, linked to the National Curriculum, should be available to all children and young people, and taught at an age when it will be of use to them and in a manner sensitive to their needs. Governors should not be responsible for deciding whether or not a school provides sex education. There should be special training for staff involved and parents should not have the right to withdraw their children. If parental right of withdrawal from sex education stands, then at the very least arrangements should be made to monitor the numbers and reasons for such withdrawal with a view to reviewing the provision.50

However, notwithstanding intense pressure from children’s rights activists and international monitoring bodies, the parental right of withdrawal from sex education classes remained in place and was restated in the Education Act 1996. The Act also required governing bodies to make the school’s written policy on sex and relationships education (SRE) available to parents. This policy was to include information on how and by whom SRE is provided, together with details of how it is monitored and evaluated.
The national curriculum requires that:

Secondary schools must provide sex education for their pupils. It must include teaching about AIDS, HIV and other sexually transmitted infections and be given in such a way as to encourage pupils to have due regard to

50 Gerison Lansdown and Peter Newell, UK agenda for children. London: CRDU, 1994, p.106.
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moral considerations and the value of family life. The detailed content and nature of sex education is for schools to decide. Parents can choose to withdraw their children from all or part of sex education.51
Primary school governing bodies, however, are free to decide whether or not to include SRE within their school’s curriculum (with the exception of aspects of reproduction taught in science). A written note of their decision must be kept on record, and if they do opt to provide SRE, the schools are responsible for determining how it is organised.

In July 2000, the DfEE issued fresh guidance on Sex and Relationship Education to replace Circular 5/94, taking account of the revised national curriculum.52 The document displays an ambivalence towards marriage. While the guidance states that ‘pupils should be taught about the nature and importance of marriage for family life and bringing up children’, it stresses that, since ‘there are strong and mutually supportive relationships outside marriage . . . , pupils should learn the significance of marriage and stable relationships as key building blocks of community and society’. It goes on to add that, ‘Care needs to be taken to ensure that there is no stigmatisation of children based on their home circumstances’. Throughout the document there is an emphasis on the need to involve parents in developing and reviewing the school’s policy, and caution is expressed regarding the types of material used.
While the law has continued to insist that schools ‘have due regard to moral considerations and the value of family life’ in the delivery of sex education, neither ‘moral considerations’ nor ‘family life’ are defined, and the way they are interpreted becomes more elastic as time goes on. According to an FPA guide, the moral framework for sex education should not be

51 National Curriculum Online http://www.nc.uk.net/notes_34.html
52 Department for Education and Employment (2000), Sex and Relationship Education Guidance, Circular 0116/2000.

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‘made up of a single set of prescriptive values’ which would ‘exclude pupils who fail to adhere to these values or who choose not to conform’. Rather, teachers and governors are encouraged to develop ‘a set of core values which are inclusive of all young people and of the adults who work with them’.53 It would be difficult to conceive of a more effective way of robbing the term ‘moral considerations’ of any meaning at all.
As with the DfEE in its attitude towards marriage, what the FPA gives with one hand, it takes away with the other. While it pays lip service to ‘respecting religious and cultural identities’ in sex education, it is far more enthusiastic about ‘refusing to tolerate prejudice’, ‘learning to respect diversity’, and ‘recognising, respecting and celebrating difference so that no one is excluded’,54 apparently oblivious to the fact that a prior commitment to an inclusivist approach will inevitably undermine the moral stance of many faith groups.

Although legislation and guidance gives considerable discretion to schools in the content of sex education, in practice schools are bombarded with sex education materials from bodies whose understanding of moral considerations and family life would be far removed from that of the majority of parents. Although schools are encouraged to involve parents in developing sex education policies, it requires constant vigilance and considerable determination to oppose curriculum resources prepared or promoted by publicly-funded bodies.

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Re: Daily Mail - The truth about Labour's apologists for paedophilia:

Post by mouse on 24.02.14 0:13

@Tony Bennett wrote:The Daily Mail has a circulation of 1.85 million daily, according to the ABC Bureau which audits newspaper circulation.

Only The Sun can top that, at 2.4 million daily.

The Mirror lags behind, in third place, at 1.05 million, though 15 years ago it sold more than the Mail.

Readership is generally reckoned at double the number of copies sold

The circulation of all newspapers has slumped by between 25% and 50% in the past 12 years.


So - nearly 4 million people tomorrow will read about top Labour Party people (including the Deputy Leader) who think having sex with children is not abusing them. The Labour Party hates the Daily Mail, and its editor Paul Dacre, with undisguised contempt
Yes, but Tony the even more positive news on this info getting out is that the DM Website is one of the most read. It really is celebrity central -with all its gossip etc. It's big in the US too - but sadly this is separate set-up so I don't know what they get to see, more geared towards the Celeb storylines. However, as I said - it really is the envy of most UK newspapers and outside the uk. No media outlet in the UK I believe comes close. Also the fact that the website for 'The Sun' is pay per view now, unlike the DM.

One other v.interesting update on this story is that Carole Malone from the Daily Mirror has also (Along with Roy Greenslade of the Guardian) come out asking for Harriet, Jack Dromney and Patricia Hewitt to respond to the recent accusations and explain themselves....Interesting indeed coming from a very Labour supporting Paper.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 24.02.14 0:20

@mouse wrote:
Yes, but Tony the even more positive news on this info getting out is that the DM Website is one of the most read. It really is celebrity central - with all its gossip etc. It's big in the US too - but sadly this is separate set-up so I don't know what they get to see, more geared towards the Celeb storylines. However, as I said - it really is the envy of most UK newspapers and outside the uk. No media outlet in the UK I believe comes close. Also the fact that the website for 'The Sun' is pay per view now, unlike the DM.

One other v. interesting update on this story is that Carole Malone from the Daily Mirror has also (Along with Roy Greenslade of the Guardian) come out asking for Harriet, Jack Dromney and Patricia Hewitt to respond to the recent accusations and explain themselves....Interesting indeed coming from a very Labour supporting Paper.
Yes, good points, thank you. The 4-page pull-out puzzle in the middle of the Mail is alo very good. Carole Malone appears to have an independent mind, I assume she has quite a fan base amongst Mirror readers

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Post by jeanmonroe on 24.02.14 2:21



How much longer can paedophilia apologists stay silent?
Even Left demands answers from senior Labour trio over links to child sex group
Pressure mounts on Harriet Harman, her MP husband and Patricia Hewitt
Trio held key roles in group that backed Paedophile Information Exchange
Columnists in Observer, Guardian and Mirror urge all three to speak out
They were leading officials in group that granted 'affiliate' status to PIE
Predatory paedophiles in PIE WANTED THE AGE OF CONSENT TO BE CUT TO FOUR (YEARS OLD)

Pressure is mounting on three Labour grandees to explain their links with a vile group that tried to legalise sex with children.
MPs, commentators and even Labour-supporting newspapers lined up yesterday to attack the silence of the party’s deputy leader Harriet Harman, her MP husband and former minister Patricia Hewitt.
The chorus of condemnation follows the Mail’s devastating series of reports into how the trio held key roles in a human rights organisation that supported the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE).
Although the BBC has ignored the story, those calling for the trio to explain themselves include Left-wing commentators who would normally be expected to back them.

Carole Malone in the Labour-supporting Sunday Mirror angrily demanded that Miss Harman, Miss Hewitt and Jack Dromey speak up about why they supported the paedophile agenda in the 1970s. She said: ‘How can they ever again be taken seriously on ANY issue if they stay silent?’

'How can they ever again be taken seriously on ANY issue if they stay silent?'
Carole Malone, Sunday Mirror
'Who would want their own good name indelibly attached to something like this?'
Barbara Ellen, Observer
'Can you imagine how the media – and especially the BBC – would react if three current senior Conservative MPs were revealed to have had links to a paedophile group?'
Rod Liddle, Sunday Times
'If I were Harman, Dromey or Hewitt, I’d want to set the record straight'
Kevin Maguire, Daily Mirror
'They’re among the first to jump down anyone else’s throats if anyone challenges their politically-correct shibboleths'
Philip Davies, Conservative MP
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And HARLOT, JACK-ASS and HALFWITT have the fcuking cheek to call themselves 'HONOURABLE' members of Parliament?

LET'S SEE JUST HOW 'BRAVE' CONSERVATIVE MP PHILIP DAVIES IS AT PMQ'S THIS WEDNESDAY (26/02/2014) TO ASK A QUESTION ABOUT THESE THREE.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 24.02.14 7:00

The continues silence from these three is deafening, and the longer they leave it, the less chance they will have that any excuse proffered will sound remotely sincere.

But then these three have already demonstrated that their single minded, self serving characters are lower than a snakes belly.

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Post by plebgate on 24.02.14 8:26

Why aren't the LEADERS of all parties calling for them to make a statement.  This is making them all look very bad imo.

Cowards the lot of them.

Yes, JeanM, let's see just how BRAVE Davis is.

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Post by AndyB on 24.02.14 8:30

@plebgate wrote:Why aren't the LEADERS of all parties calling for them to make a statement.
Because they're all terrified that we'll find out how rife paedophilia is within their own parties and the establishment in general?

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 24.02.14 9:19

@AndyB wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Why aren't the LEADERS of all parties calling for them to make a statement.
Because they're all terrified that we'll find out how rife paedophilia is within their own parties and the establishment in general?

I agree with this. We are only seeing the beginning of a huge storm here, a light is starting to be shone on the absolute endemic wickedness and corruption, ruthlessness and rabid megalomania of those that rule us.

This has been threatening to come to the surface for years, and I believe it was the whole reason for the Leveson enquiry and Rebekkah Brooks trial. All governmental parties are just as bad as the other, power mad tricksters all jockeying for position and laying waste to anyone who dares challenge their authority.

Hold on to your seats folks, this is going to be a very bumpy ride.

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Post by plebgate on 24.02.14 9:38

I caught the tail end of an interview with a police officer dealing with child abuse etc. earlier and heard him say that social media has given victims an opportunity to tell their stories and that things were changing very quickly because of it - so yes S&M I agree that there may well be bumpy rides ahead.    About time too.

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@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Why aren't the LEADERS of all parties calling for them to make a statement.
Because they're all terrified that we'll find out how rife paedophilia is within their own parties and the establishment in general?

I agree with this. We are only seeing the beginning of a huge storm here, a light is starting to be shone on the absolute endemic wickedness and corruption, ruthlessness and rabid megalomania of those that rule us.

This has been threatening to come to the surface for years, and I believe it was the whole reason for the Leveson enquiry and Rebekkah Brooks trial. All governmental parties are just as bad as the other, power mad tricksters all jockeying for position and laying waste to anyone who dares challenge their authority.

Hold on to your seats folks, this is going to be a very bumpy ride.

It looks that way doesn't it. There's a bit of a double-edged pitchfork thing going on here. The reason, I think, that populist hatred of paedophiles is so encouraged by the MSM is that the elites don't want the plebs muscling in on "their" turf. The danger though is that the lynch mob that they have created one day turns on them. I say with no irony or hyperbole that I believe that one of the reasons that people seek to become career politicians is because it is the best way to have sex with children whilst retaining a large degree of impunity. I also think that whatever went on in PdL in May 2007 might have been a cack-handed attempt to gatecrash these circles.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 24.02.14 9:49

@plebgate wrote:I caught the tail end of an interview with a police officer dealing with child abuse etc. earlier and heard him say that social media has given victims an opportunity to tell their stories and that things were changing very quickly because of it - so yes S&M I agree that there may well be bumpy rides ahead.    About time too.

I'm actually very scared for what the future holds Plebgate. Successive Governments have worked very hard to dumb down, pacify and legislate to keep the populous well and truly powerless. But I feel this is going to reach critical mass over the next couple of years, and the scenes we see in the Ukraine today may very well be the reality on our streets. The public are being bullied in the most disgusting way imaginable, in every way possible, and more and more people are waking up to the reality.

We are watching a ticking time bomb and the fallout will be ugly.

Clay, I certainly do believe there is increasing evidence of some sort of connection between this and PdL, the dots are joining to show a very dark picture. What could once be brushed off as internet conspiratorial lunacy is being proved right over and over again. The powers that be are running out of fingers to plug the dam that is about to burst. Too many people are sharing the facts - they can't brush off the few protesting voices as natters any more, the collective voice is increasing in volume.

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Post by Mirage on 24.02.14 10:22

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
@AndyB wrote:
@plebgate wrote:Why aren't the LEADERS of all parties calling for them to make a statement.
Because they're all terrified that we'll find out how rife paedophilia is within their own parties and the establishment in general?

I agree with this. We are only seeing the beginning of a huge storm here, a light is starting to be shone on the absolute endemic wickedness and corruption, ruthlessness and rabid megalomania of those that rule us.

This has been threatening to come to the surface for years, and I believe it was the whole reason for the Leveson enquiry and Rebekkah Brooks trial. All governmental parties are just as bad as the other, power mad tricksters all jockeying for position and laying waste to anyone who dares challenge their authority.

Hold on to your seats folks, this is going to be a very bumpy ride.

I couldn't agree with you more S&M. If nothing else I have learned that nothing happens by accident in the political world. It is the juxtaposition of events that tells us so much.
The following and more are swirling around this case. In no particular order and just as they occur to me, the following:

Both Cameron and Blair revealed as part of Brooks' world.
Cameron and Blair both courted Murdoch.
Brown threatened to destroy the Sun when Murdoch switched support to Cameron (Sun as in newspaper - Gordon got carried away with saving the world, I know)
Andy Coulson installed at No 10
Murdoch reportedly cuckolded by Blair.
Brooks' pressure on Cameron to re-open case and threatening to have May on the front pages for a week. Why May?
Secret files at the Home Office on the McCann case that May refuses to reveal under national security claims - (always a good one)
An open letter to Cameron from the McCanns, a front page feature.
Leveson and the naked attempt by Hacked Off to interfere with press freedom - using the "Dowler Effect".
Leveson barristers' affair. Leveson called to select committee over it but remains intransigent.
Oliver-Pizza-Delivery-Boy-Letwin and the late night stitch-up with Labour. Democracy in action?????
GM and KM phone never hacked .................. as far as we know!
GM fails in attempt to re-invent himself as a political force.(farce)
KM re-invents herself as a searcher for missing people (irony overload).
Hillsborough, Plebgate and other stinks involving the MET.
HH refuses to resign over Plebgate and doesn't get pushed by May.
Mitchell down at Brighton, re-inventing himself as a Tory candidate.
Jimmy Savile and the BBC.
CW farago.
Photo shoot of boys in sharp suits in Faro.
Delay in Libel trial.
ILORs going missing/not actioned squabble.
Portuguese TV not granted rights to CW
Portuguese TV hold their own version of CW with GA and a realistic construction
MET lies about co-operation between Portuguese and UK investigations revealed.
Operation Yewtree continues looking at past offenders ( I bet old HH wouldn't have had a memory lapse about that op)
HH talks of Mc's torment and doesn't mention the dogs.
Nicky Campbell of the BBC casts a gratuitous slur on the Portuguese police live on radio. He doesn't ask about the dogs.
PIE - a story that has been ripe for for nearly forty years, now fermenting out of its barrel.

All in all, a corrupt nation spilling its guts because this level of wickedness cannot be contained. As you say, S&M, a very bumpy ride!.

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Post by Mirage on 24.02.14 10:37

S&M, I have just seen your observation about Ukraine and I have been saying exactly the same thing to my OH these last few days. I can see that happening here in a few years. This level of corruption is being sussed in UK. The corruption is insidious and corrosive. You can see the level of frustration on the internet amongst some. We all know how outfits like that Macauley and partner company micro-manage public opinion. We all complain that our POV never gets on the newspaper comments. This spells the beginning of the end.

Xenophobia is being stirred up against the Portuguese - just listen to that disgusting Nicky Campbell as a recent example. All the signs of an inward-looking nation, I'm afraid. The ground is being laid for a totalitarian state and it threatens an ugly and violent future for our children and grandchildren.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 24.02.14 10:53

@Mirage wrote:S&M, I have just seen your observation about Ukraine and I have been saying exactly the same thing to my OH these last few days. I can see that happening here in a few years. This level of corruption is being sussed in UK. The corruption is insidious and corrosive. You can see the level of frustration on the internet amongst some. We all know how outfits like that Macauley and partner company micro-manage public opinion. We all complain that our POV never gets on the newspaper comments. This spells the beginning of the end.

Xenophobia is being stirred up against the Portuguese - just listen to that disgusting Nicky Campbell as a recent example. All the signs of an inward-looking nation, I'm afraid. The ground is being laid for a totalitarian state and it threatens an ugly and violent future for our children and grandchildren.

Yes, we are heading for very dangerous waters.

Currently, the British public are getting deeply upset over various elements within our social structure, but they tend to be fragmented and the people focus on the thing which is dear to their hearts, NHS, Justice, employment, education etc. It's a divide and rule strategy. And within each area of interest there are multiple smallish campaign groups, further fragmentation. While this state of play continues, each group and sub-group are a pretty harmless entity, a bit of lip service paid here and there to pacify, promises of action never fulfilled, mutterings that fade away.

But inch by inch there are those seeing how these fragmented and compartmentalised units are all cogs and wheels within the same bigger machine. The financial and personal relationships between politicians, media, corporations are starting to be revealed, Clarence is a prime example of the poacher/gamekeeper role they all play.

The public need to slam a wrecking ball into the heart of this den of thieves, but who this would leave the way open for is equally disturbing.

After observing years of decay eating the heart out of our country, can ANY of us say there would be a group we would trust to steer Britain back onto a decent path?


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Post by tasprin on 24.02.14 11:03

Harriet Harman, BBC Question Time 2012. What a hypocrite.




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Here's an interesting video from BBC Question Time. It was posed by a member of the audience in relation to the Sexual grooming of children (girls) in the Rochdale area (UK), he wrongly referred to the pedo's as Asians, this is of course a slight on all the Indian, Chinese and other races who share the generic Asian identity. They were Pakistani and Afghan Muslims who are of course Asians, but lets be specific. What makes this video particularly interesting is the Cowardly and dishonest way that the panel wimps dealt with the question, especially Harriet Harman and Steve Coogan, they both had no probs using the Catholic church and the pedo clergy members who abused children but watch as they all studiously avoid mentioning the real perpetrators, the Pakistani Pedophiles of Rochdale. Coogan is a joy to watch as this know-all blowhard leftie stutters and stammers his way through his answer while admitting that he needs to be careful with what he says, obviously not wanting to offend the Muslims but to Hell with the RC's and Christianity. And see how Harriet Harman tries to stain the character of these poor children by alluding to them being prostitutes, 10 & 12 year old Prostitutes Harman? they were children in care in your care homes ran by your pc staff to your pc agenda you so called feminist. THEY ARE ALL PATHETIC. Read this http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/art...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agCv0GKBL7E

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Re: Daily Mail - The truth about Labour's apologists for paedophilia:

Post by tasprin on 24.02.14 11:14

David Lindsay Blogspot

Thursday, 27 September 2012
 
The Hypocrisy of Harriet Harman

Daring to bang on about child abuse to the Question Time audience.

To get it out of the way, few, if any, of the Police Officers, the Crown Prosecution Service staff or the social workers involved in the Rochdale case were Muslims, any more than that teacher from Sussex who has eloped with one of his pupils is a Muslim. Their attitudes came, and come, from somewhere else entirely. As some of us have been saying for years, and even putting into print. Along with our no-holds-barred criticisms of Islam, in fact. But fair’s fair.

Harriet Harman and Patricia Hewitt ran the National Council for Civil Liberties when it was passing resolutions in support of the Paedophile Information Exchange and Paedophile Action for Liberation, and when it was publishing calls to legalise and destigmatise sex between adults and children. Hewitt went on to have overall responsibility for every social worker in England, while Harman’s pro-pederast past was explored in detail by Martin Beckford in the 9th March 2009 edition of the Daily Telegraph, but that newspaper was too spineless or too compromised to put it on the front page where it belonged, so the story was allowed to die, at least for the time being. Neither Harriet Harman nor Patricia Hewitt is a Muslim. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a Muslim on the editorial staff of the Daily Telegraph.

Peter Tatchell, who would lower the age of consent to 14 and thus legalise almost every act of which any Catholic priest has ever been so much as accused, wrote in The Guardian (26th June 1997) that:

“The positive nature of some child-adult relations is not confined to non-Western cultures. Several of my friends – gay and straight, male and female – had sex with adults from the ages of 9 to 13. None feel they were abused. All say it was their conscious choice and gave them great joy. While it may be impossible to condone paedophilia, it is time society acknowledged the truth that not all sex involving children is unwanted, abusive and harmful.”

The Guardian printed that. In 2010, David Cameron offered Tatchell a peerage. Neither Peter Tatchell nor David Cameron is a Muslim. To the best of my knowledge, there has never been a Muslim on the editorial staff of The Guardian. I very much doubt that there was one as long ago as 1997.

For many years, the recommended reading for postgraduate students of Criminology at the University of Cambridge included the 1980 book Paedophilia: The Radical Case, by Tom O’Carroll, chairman of the Paedophile Information Exchange, whose 1981 conviction for conspiracy to corrupt public morals through the contacts section of that organisation’s magazine was attacked a year later in the journal of the National Council for Civil Liberties by O’Carroll’s barrister, Peter Thornton, who is now a Queen’s Counsel and a senior circuit judge. The University of Cambridge is not exactly run by Muslims, and His Honour Judge Peter Thornton QC is not a Muslim. Tom O’Carroll is not a Muslim, either.

Stephen Fry’s books, The Liar and The Hippopotamus, glorify sex between men and teenage boys, exactly the acts that have brought scandal on the Catholic Church.Stephen Fry is not a Muslim. In its dramatic output, Channel 4 has been and remains a relentless, publicly owned campaigner in favour of such acts. No Muslim has ever been the Chairman or the Controller of Channel4.
Germaine Greer’s The Boy is a celebration of the sexual fetishisation of the adolescent male both by men and by women. Germaine Greer is not a Muslim. In The God Delusion, Richard Dawkins describes having been sexually abused as a child as “an embarrassing but otherwise harmless experience”. Richard Dawkins is not a Muslim.

Philip Pullman’s famous trilogy concludes with sexual intercourse between two children aged about 12, and he has repeatedly denounced the absence of sexual content in the Narnia novels. Philip Pullman is not a Muslim. Geoffrey Robertson QC made his name defending the Schoolkids’ Edition of Oz, while his wife, Katthy Lette, made hers writing explicit depictions of teenage sex. Geoffrey Robertson QC and Kathy Lette are not Muslims.

Few, if any, Muslims have rushed to defend and to laud Roman Polanski. Muslims can hardly be said to control Internet pornography, which is the principal, and highly commercial, sexual abuse of teenage boys in the world today.

The war in Afghanistan is a war in defence of the endemic abuse of boys, an abuse to which, whatever else may be said of “the Taliban”, they were very actively opposed and not without success in seeking to eradicate, whereas the regime that we have installed in their place actively colludes in it as surely as in the heroin trade. The people who took us to war in Afghanistan were not Muslims. The people who keep us at war in Afghanistan are not Muslims. The child molesters whom we are fighting that war in order to defend are significantly less Muslim than the people from whom we are fighting that war in order to defend them. Not least, they are significantly less Muslim in that they practice pederasty.

And then there are the numerous Social Services Departments that ran homes where at the same time as the Church was hushing up sex between men and teenage boys on the part of a small number of priests – and thus, however imperfectly, indicating disapproval of it – such behaviour was absolutely endemic, with major figures in that world publishing academic studies, used for many years in the training of social workers, which presented it as positively beneficial to both parties and therefore actively to be encouraged. Clearly, that became the same view of girls. We now see the consequences.

Plus the police, who long ago stopped enforcing the age of consent from 13 upwards; as with their non-enforcement of the drugs laws, one really does have to ask for whose benefit that is.

Among many, many, many others.

What’s that you say? They do not purport to be moral authorities? Really? Yes, they do. Harriet Harman, for one, is doing so in my ear as I write.

Buy the book here.
http://davidaslindsay.blogspot.co.uk/2012/09/the-hypocrisy-of-harriet-harman.html

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Re: Daily Mail - The truth about Labour's apologists for paedophilia:

Post by Mirage on 24.02.14 13:01

Harriet Harman a moral bankrupt who helped create the fertile environment for mass child abuse . Here, on QT, caught in an act of gross hypocrisy. She should be in jail for using her position of power and influence to endanger children who could only dream of the advantages she was born with.

She has helped the pave the way for paedophiles to infiltrate the care system by her lobbying in the past and, there, put at risk children who have no voice or family to turn to.

I hope some decent person of position or wealth brings a civil action against these three individuals and that a judge can be found who sees them for what they are .

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Re: Daily Mail - The truth about Labour's apologists for paedophilia:

Post by thegoat on 24.02.14 13:16

Would it be worth creating an e-petition arguing that the BBC should report on this matter otherwise they will be seen as complicit in the cover up? 

E-petitions generally do very little but if it could be spread around social media and sent to media outlets, then it might be enough to spread this story to other news outlets and force a statement to be made. Anything to help expose some of the vile characters we have running the country.

Although it may be rejected as it is a police operational matter, it may also be worth creating an e-petition to request that an apology be made by the BBC for factual errors they presented in their Crimewatch reconstruction of the Mccann case. I am sure I read here a list of the errors or ommisions made somewhere.

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Re: Daily Mail - The truth about Labour's apologists for paedophilia:

Post by sallypelt on 24.02.14 14:00

@thegoat wrote:Would it be worth creating an e-petition arguing that the BBC should report on this matter otherwise they will be seen as complicit in the cover up? 
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Would it be worth creating an e-petition arguing that the BBC should report on this matter otherwise they will be seen as complicit in the cover up? 

Should this not read: Would it be worth creating an e-petition arguing that the BBC should report on this matter otherwise they will be seen as complicit in the ANOTHER cover up?

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Post by thegoat on 24.02.14 14:07

@sallypelt wrote:
@thegoat wrote:Would it be worth creating an e-petition arguing that the BBC should report on this matter otherwise they will be seen as complicit in the cover up? 

Should this not read: Would it be worth creating an e-petition arguing that the BBC should report on this matter otherwise they will be seen as complicit in the ANOTHER cover up?

Yes exactly. I would have thought after the BBC were clearly complicit in the cover up of the Saville case, they would be keen to avoid being seen as being involved in another cover up of a similar nature. 

It is disgusting that I have to pay a licence fee to such a corrupt organisation. 

I have never created an e-petition but unless someone else who has could do it?, then I will try and put one together and put it on here and see if we can spread the word a bit. Every little helps..... I hope

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Re: Daily Mail - The truth about Labour's apologists for paedophilia:

Post by margaret on 24.02.14 14:14

@tasprin wrote:Harriet Harman, BBC Question Time 2012. What a hypocrite.

And see how Harriet Harman tries to stain the character of these poor children by alluding to them being prostitutes, 10 & 12 year old Prostitutes Harman?

Erm, she didn't call them prostitutes actually.  She said '...and the other disturbing thing that people think it makes it alright is the idea that these girls were prostitutes'. She's referring to something said by someone else.

I'm no fan of Harman but let's be fair.

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Re: Daily Mail - The truth about Labour's apologists for paedophilia:

Post by AndyB on 24.02.14 14:23

I see that Hodge has been forced to apologise for insulting a victim of abuse

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-202283/Victim-delight-Hodge-sorry.html

Its just a shame that the victim has agreed to keep her explanation secret

ETA: There's a succinct background here https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/the-orwellian-minister-for-children-margaret-hodge/

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