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Post by stillsloppingout on 18.02.14 23:59

Tomorrows Daily Mail front page has pic of Harriet Harman and her husband , and another Labour Female MP  [ cant  see the image properly ] with the title THE TRUTH ABOUT LABOUR APOLOGISTS FOR PAEDOPHILIA .

This must be the story about these MPs apparently supporting  [ certainly not condemming it ] an activity called PIE in the 80's .PIE was the Paedophile Information Exchange .

Does this explain why Kate and Gerry are IMO being protected , and could these people be our alleged missing holidaying in PDL couple  ? just a thaught ? .

Ps apologies for typing and spelling .  !!!



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Post by PeterMac on 19.02.14 7:42

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562518/The-truth-Labour-apologists-paedophilia-Police-probe-child-sex-group-linked-party-officials-wake-Savile.html
The truth about Labour apologists for paedophilia: Police probe child sex group linked to top party officials in wake of Savile
Harriet Harman, Jack Dromey and Patricia Hewitt linked to vile group
They were key figures at National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL)
The NCCL was an 'affiliate' of the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE)
PIE members may have abused children on an 'industrial scale'
By GUY ADAMS and MICHAEL SEAMARK
PUBLISHED: 23:13 GMT, 18 February 2014 | UPDATED: 23:51 GMT, 18 February 2014
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Key roles: Harriet Harman and husband Jack Dromey. They were leading officials in the NCCL, which was linked to predatory pedophile group PIE
The full extent of the shocking links between three senior Labour figures and a vile group that tried to legalise sex with children can be exposed today.
The trio held key roles in a human rights organisation that supported the notorious Paedophile Information Exchange.
Labour’s deputy leader Harriet Harman, her husband, home affairs spokesman Jack Dromey, and former health secretary Patricia Hewitt were all leading officials in the National Council for Civil Liberties.
Astonishingly this Left-wing group granted ‘affiliate’ status to PIE and built close links with it.
The group of predatory paedophiles was calling for the age of consent to be cut to just four.
Police are now investigating PIE as part of Operation Fernbridge, launched in the wake of the Jimmy Savile scandal.
A senior source on the investigation says there is evidence PIE members were abusing children ‘on an industrial scale’.
The Home Office is also probing shocking claims that the Labour government of the 1970s may have helped finance the paedophile group.
Civil servants are trawling through decades of files after an ‘insider’ claimed tens of thousands of pounds were funnelled to PIE in the form of annual grants to the network of child abusers while James Callaghan was in Downing Street.

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A Daily Mail investigation has discovered that during the 1970s and 1980s:
* Miss Hewitt described PIE in glowing terms as ‘a campaigning/counselling group for adults attracted to children’;
* The NCCL lobbied Parliament for the age of sexual consent to be cut to ten – if the child consented and ‘understood the nature of the act’.
* It called for incest to be legalised in what one MP dubbed a ‘Lolita’s charter’;
* The NCCL claimed research shows young paedophile victims are often ‘consenting or even the initiators of the sexual acts involved’;
* It filed a submission to Parliament claiming that ‘childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in, with an adult, result in no identifiable damage’.
* Miss Harman, as NCCL legal officer, tried to water down child pornography laws.
* NCCL lawyers acted for a PIE member who was quizzed by police over appalling behaviour.
The Mail has repeatedly sent detailed questions to Miss Harman, Miss Hewitt and Mr Dromey about their links to PIE and whether they now regret supporting such a vile group. Neither Miss Hewitt nor Mr Dromey replied.
A spokesman for Miss Harman said: ‘This story is untrue and ridiculous.’

Leading figure: Former Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt. She was general secretary of the NCCL from 1974-1983
In December, when the Mail first drew attention to the links between the NCCL and PIE, a public apology was issued by Shami Chakrabarti of Liberty, which is the name the NCCL now goes under.
Miss Chakrabarti, who was born in 1969 and had nothing to do with the sordid affair, said: ‘It is a source of continuing disgust and horror that even the NCCL had to expel paedophiles from its ranks in 1983 after infiltration at some point in the Seventies.
‘The most important lesson learned by Liberty over the subsequent 30 years was to become a well-governed modern human rights movement in which protecting the vulnerable, especially children, will always come first.’
The NCCL was part of the radical Left lobbying for a change in the law to reflect a more ‘enlightened’ attitude to sex between adults and minors and promote the ‘human rights’ of paedophiles.
Miss Hewitt was general secretary of the NCCL from 1974-83. Miss Harman was a newly-qualified solicitor when she became the NCCL’s legal officer in 1978 until 1982, when she entered Parliament. Mr Dromey sat on the NCCL executive committee for almost a decade, from 1970 to 1979.
The extraordinary links between PIE and the NCCL emerge in archives of internal NCCL documents held at the University of Hull and the London School of Economics. PIE’s campaigning in the 1970s caused public outrage.
The group’s members did not present themselves as child abusers but as ‘child lovers’ keen to ‘liberate’ children from sexual ‘repression’.
In 1978, Miss Harman wrote a briefing paper on the Protection of Children Bill, which sought to ban child pornography.
She claimed such a law would ‘increase censorship’ and argued that a pornographic picture of a naked child should not be considered indecent unless it could be proven that the subject had suffered.
In 1976, the NCCL filed a submission to a parliamentary committee claiming a proposed bill to protect children from sex abusers would ‘lead to damaging and absurd prosecutions’.
‘Childhood sexual experiences, willingly engaged in , with an adult result in no identifiable damage,’ it read. ‘The real need is a change in the attitude which assumes that all cases of paedophilia result in lasting damage.’
In 1982, Miss Hewitt published ‘The Police and Civil Liberties’, in which she discussed the jailing of PIE secretary Tom O’Carroll for conspiracy to corrupt public morals.
She wrote: ‘Conspiring to corrupt public morals is an offence incapable of definition or precise proof.’
After the Daily Mail highlighted the connection between the NCCL and PIE in December, a spokesman for Miss Harman said: ‘The very suggestion that Harriet was in any way supportive of the PIE or its aims is untrue and misleading.’
The Metropolitan Police began Operation Fernbridge in January 2013 into allegations that residents of a children's home in Richmond, West London, were taken to the nearby Elm Guest House in Barnes, where they were abused.

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Daily Mail not letting it go.

Post by PeterMac on 19.02.14 8:42

Same issue, further down
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2562555/Labours-child-sex-apologists-How-three-partys-senior-figures-campaigned-vile-paedophile-group-probed-police-abusing-children-industrial-scale.html
Labour's child sex apologists: How three of the party's most senior figures campaigned for a vile paedophile group now being probed by police for 'abusing children on an industrial scale'
By GUY ADAMS
PUBLISHED: 23:32 GMT, 18 February 2014
Appearing in the pages of a Left-wing magazine called Rights, it was, by any account, an extraordinary letter.
Written by one Mike Morten, who lived in London and described himself as ‘both a paedophile and gay’, the letter complained that laws forbidding him from having sex with children ‘interfere with my life and civil liberties’.
‘Consensual sex between adults and children is simply people of different age groups being nice to each other,’ it argued.

Harriet Harman: Legal officer of the NCCL, now Labour Deputy Leader. Right, Jack Dromey, a Left-wing firebrand, now a shadow minister
Morten then criticised recent newspaper articles which had described perpetrators of child sex offences as ‘molesters’.
‘This is a loaded and pejorative term,’ he declared. ‘It’s a totally inaccurate description of us, and a put-down, in much the same way that “pansy” is a put-down of gays and “n*****” a put-down of blacks.’

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The letter was dated October 1982, and today his words seem so bizarre, so appalling, that a casual reader could be forgiven for wondering if they are a grotesque spoof.
No magazine, of any political persuasion, would dare to carry material that attempted to portray paedophiles as some sort of oppressed minority.

Patricia Hewitt: General Secretary of the NCCL, later Labour minister
Neither would the oxygen of publicity be given to a self-confessed sexual predator who, like Morten, wanted to convince readers that small children might somehow ‘enjoy’ being abused by adults.
The publisher of a printed title which advanced such morally repugnant views, apparently in the name of political correctness, would surely be committing career suicide.
Yet Rights was no knockabout spoof. And the people behind its publication certainly didn’t sink without trace.
Quite the reverse, in fact.
The now dog-eared 1982 magazine, which I have unearthed in archives, was the quarterly journal of the National Council for Civil Liberties (NCCL), the well-known lobby group which is now called Liberty.
Known as a radical campaigning organisation, the NCCL was that year being run by three tub-thumping young Left-wingers who would rise to extremely senior positions in the Labour Party.
One was Patricia Hewitt, who as general secretary of the NCCL from 1974 to 1983 was at the helm of the organisation. She went on to become Tony Blair’s Health Secretary, and nowadays has a lucrative seat as a non-executive director on the board of BT earning £160,000 a year for a part-time job.
Another was Harriet Harman, the current Labour Deputy Leader. She served as its legal officer from 1978 until October 28, 1982, when she won a by-election and entered Parliament as the MP for Camberwell and Peckham.
A third was Jack Dromey, Harman’s husband, who sat on the NCCL’s executive committee for more than a decade.
He would go on to serve as Labour’s party treasurer under Tony Blair, and after standing for Parliament in 2010, now is one of Ed Miliband’s shadow ministers, with responsibility for communities and local government.
The trio cut their political teeth in the NCCL, forging lifelong alliances with liberal activists that have stayed with them to the present day.
Yet as suggested by Mike Morten’s deeply troubling letter — which graced the NCCL’s in-house magazine — some of these alliances are today starting to look very murky indeed.
The reason is the NCCL’s formal relationship — throughout their reign — with the Paedophile Information Exchange (PIE), a lobby group which was formed in 1975 to advance the ‘human rights’ of predatory paedophiles.
At its height, PIE boasted almost 1,000 members and publicly campaigned for child sex to be legalised, and for the age of consent to be lowered to four.
Its literature, which quoted cod scientists and psychologists, was often sent to Parliamentary committees.

Hewitt's organisation lobbied Parliament for the age of sexual consent to be lowered to ten (if the child consented and 'understood the nature of the act')
One such document — a copy of which I have obtained — argued that sexual relationships between adults and children tend to be ‘actually beneficial to the child’.
It made the revolting claim that ‘girls as young as four months can achieve orgasm’, and that four-year-old children ‘can communicate verbally’ their consent to sex.
A leaflet PIE sent to MPs, entitled ‘Paedophilia: some questions and answers’, claimed: ‘Paedophiles are ordinary, decent, sensible human beings, no more sexually depraved than yourself, and with a capacity for loving and helping children which is at present being repressed.’
Over the years, amid widespread controversy, several similarly controversial books were published by PIE.
It wasn’t until 1984, after the organisation’s leaders had been convicted of a string of appalling crimes, that it was eventually disbanded.
Amazingly, during almost all of this morally bankrupt existence, the Paedophile Information Exchange had enjoyed a formal working relationship with the National Council for Civil Liberties.
Their cosy collaboration began in 1975, when PIE was granted official ‘affiliate’ status with the NCCL — then led by Hewitt, with Dromey on its executive — after arguing they shared common goals regarding sexual liberation.
At the time, the gay rights movement was hugely fashionable in liberal circles. PIE successfully aligned itself to that cause, claiming that paedophiles were as much an oppressed minority as homosexuals.
One such document... made the revolting claim that 'girls as young as four months can achieve orgasm', and that four-year-old children 'can communicate verbally' their consent to sex

The NCCL took this bait. Indeed, over ensuing years, despite the disgusting nature of PIE’s publications and public pronouncements, it worked tirelessly to legitimise many of its political aims.
In 1976, for example, Hewitt’s organisation lobbied Parliament for the age of sexual consent to be lowered to ten (if the child consented and ‘understood the nature of the act’), and, I have discovered, for incest to be legalised.
With Harman as its legal officer, the NCCL in 1978 also attempted to water down child porn laws.
A string of motions were passed at NCCL annual general meetings supporting the ‘human rights’ of paedophiles. The organisation’s staff also provided PIE activists with endless legal support in their battles with police and the Press.
All of which might have been long forgotten, were it not for a rumbling scandal that recently returned PIE to the headlines.
A couple of months ago, the Home Office announced that it had launched a ‘thorough, independent investigation’ into claims that PIE had secretly received public funding while Labour prime minister James Callaghan was in Downing Street.
The inquiry will attempt to establish whether payments to the pro-paedophilia group totalling tens of thousands of pounds were signed off by a civil servant who worked under Labour’s then Home Secretary, Merlyn Rees.
It will also focus attention on the question of how an organisation so obviously malign achieved sufficient respectability in Left-wing circles to be deemed a worthy recipient of public funds.
The NCCL, and its relationship with PIE, lies at the heart of this question.
All of which perhaps explains why, when this newspaper first reported the NCCL’s now very embarrassing links to PIE in December, neither Harman, nor Hewitt, nor Dromey was eager to elaborate on the issue.
Hewitt did not comment at all. A spokesman for Harman claimed: ‘The very suggestion that Harriet was in any way supportive of PIE or its aims is untrue and misleading.’
Dromey, meanwhile, told reporters that he had always been an ‘implacable opponent’ of the paedophile organisation.
We must, of course, take them at their word. But quite what Hewitt, Dromey or Harman ever actually did actively (or ‘implacably’) to oppose PIE is, however, open to question.
I have explored the archives of internal NCCL documents held at both the University of Hull and the London School of Economics, seeking to trace the real history of its relationship with the paedophile lobby of the Seventies.
These papers suggest that the two organisations and their leaders were far, far closer than previously thought.
Take, for example, the first mention of the Paedophile Information Exchange in NCCL literature — in Patricia Hewitt’s annual report to her members, dated April 1976.
There, she describes PIE in glowing terms as ‘a campaigning/counselling group for adults sexually attracted to children’.
Hewitt then complains that PIE had recently been the subject of a ‘hysterical and highly inaccurate’article in the Sunday People newspaper headlined ‘the vilest men in Britain’, which was ‘designed to foster misunderstanding and hatred’.
The NCCL’s legal department made a complaint to the Press Council — the media regulator of the day — over the article, ‘and also acted for some of the men when there were police inquiries as a result of the article’.
All of which means that, with Hewitt as general secretary, and Dromey on its executive, NCCL staff worked directly for the Paedophile Information Exchange.
Later in 1976, the NCCL made a submission to Parliament’s Criminal Law Revision Committee suggesting that the age of consent be lowered to 14.
This document, held in full in archives, makes for sobering reading. It goes on to say that sex with children aged ten or over should also become legal if ‘it is demonstrated that [consent] was genuinely given and the child understood the nature of the act’.
It further advocates the legalisation of incest thus: ‘In our view, no benefit accrues to anyone by making incest a crime when committed between mutually consenting persons over the age of consent.’
One MP dubbed the submission a ‘Lolita’s charter’.
The NCCL’s magazine then carried an obscene cartoon portraying its critics as prudes.
In the summer of 1976, the NCCL held its annual general meeting in London.
One motion, filed by Keith Hose — a self-confessed paedophile and co-founder of PIE — and Nettie Pollard, a lesbian activist who worked at the NCCL, ‘notes with disapproval the continued harassment’ of the Paedophile Information Exchange, which is ‘working for the rights of adults who are sexually interested in children’.
For reasons which remain unclear, it does not appear to have been voted on.
A year later, the NCCL’s management compiled a response to any journalists who might start asking awkward questions about its PIE affiliation.
It revealed that the NCCL had quietly adopted another item of PIE propaganda as policy: that prosecution of paedophiles can ‘harm’ the children they abuse.
‘We support any organisation that seeks to campaign for anything it wants within the law,’ read the statement.
‘We have had plenty of contact with PIE, but the NCCL has no policy on their aims — other than the evidence that children are harmed if , after a mutual relationship with an adult, they are exposed to the attentions of the police, Press and the courts.’
In 1978, the NCCL submitted a briefing paper to Parliament on the upcoming Protection of Children Bill, which sought among other things to outlaw child pornography.
Written by Harriet Harman, the briefing advanced an extraordinary argument: that images of naked children should only be considered pornographic if it could be proven that the subject had suffered.
Her letter claimed that such a law would ‘increase censorship’ and should therefore be watered down.
‘Our amendment [to the proposed law] places the onus of proof on the prosecution to show that the child was actually harmed,’ Harman wrote.
Her submission also advised that an image of children seized by police in an abuse investigation should be returned to its owner (rather than destroyed) following a trial unless ‘it formed part of the evidence which led to the conviction’.
Again, such arguments duplicated those of the Paedophile Information Exchange.
A year later, the NCCL — with Hewitt as its leader, and Harman as legal officer — drafted a response to a government working paper on sexual legislation.
It again called for the legalisation of incest, and described the age of consent as an ‘inhumanity’.
With regard to paedophilia, it added that ‘research has consistently shown that a high proportion of the young people concerned are, in the ordinary sense, consenting or even the initiators of the sexual acts involved’.
It remains unclear whether that response was ever actually submitted.
In 1980, the self-confessed paedophile Roger Moody published a memoir titled Indecent Assault.
In his foreword, Moody directly thanked the NCCL and its employee Nettie Pollard for help reading his manuscripts.
Ms Pollard appears to have had links to several paedophiles.
In addition to jointly filing a motion at the annual general meeting of the NCCL with PIE founder Keith Hose, as detailed earlier, she was in 1980 also thanked in the foreword of PIE leader Tom O’Carroll’s book Paedophilia: The Radical Case.
Despite the dubious nature of these associates, she was allowed to remain on the NCCL’s staff into the 1990s.
In 1981, O’Carroll ended up in court charged with conspiring to corrupt public morals.
Police investigating the case seized more than a quarter of a ton of indecent images, from a variety of addresses. Some showed images of a man abusing a one-year-old boy.
The NCCL was nonetheless outraged by the charges, which it felt were politically motivated.
It kept a file on the case, filled with briefing papers critical of the prosecution.
O’Carroll was, however, convicted and sentenced to two years in prison.
A detective who had worked on the prosecution told reporters: ‘I’ve been dealing with hard pornography for ten years now, but what I saw in this case made me go outside for a walk. It was awful. Awful.’
Even then, the NCCL was convinced that O’Carroll had been dealt an injustice.
In her 1982 book, The Abuse Of Power, Patricia Hewitt wrote: ‘The considerable controversy aroused by the case overshadowed the deplorable nature of the conspiracy charge used by the prosecution. Conspiring to corrupt public morals is an offence incapable of definition or precise proof.’
By now, PIE was starting to unravel.
In the coming years, a string of its most prominent members would find themselves in court charged with appalling sex offences.
They included David Joy, a member of its governing committee, prosecuted for indecent assault, child rape and possession of 1,129 indecent images of children.
They also included Andrew Sadler, a prep school teacher and PIE organiser jailed in Romania for sexual corruption and sex with a minor; Charles Napier, who was convicted in the UK of child rape; Steven Smith, a former chairman, who was jailed for possessing indecent images ; and Morris Fraser, a co-founder.
Police are now investigating the organisation as part of Operation Fernbridge, launched in the wake of the Jimmy Savile affair.
A senior source on the investigation says there is evidence that members of PIE were abusing children ‘on an industrial scale’.
How sad that Harriet Harman, Patricia Hewitt, Jack Dromey and their colleagues at the NCCL did so little to stop it.

Sometimes the Daily Mail can get things right.

Carter-Ruck must be on holiday

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Post by Mirage on 19.02.14 8:54

On the minus side, it has taken forty years for politically promoted paedophilia to hit the headlines.
On the plus side, maybe critical mass was reached by virtue of internet discussion.

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Post by kitchen on 19.02.14 9:08

My thought is that it may well not be directly related to MM but it is throwing light onto matters that have been in a dark corner for years. This story has been around the web and more rescently Twitter for years. The notion that there is no hiding place in the end is good one to be promoting.

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Post by Guest on 19.02.14 9:17

@Mirage wrote:On the minus side, it has taken forty years for politically promoted paedophilia to hit the headlines.
On the plus side, maybe critical mass was reached by virtue of internet discussion.

Hello Mirage, good to see you back. My posting ability has taken a hit now that I have returned to work after my sojourn, but I had to just say that I hope you are correct and that increased scrutiny is now putting a lid on activities that were once considered either a perk of or prerequisite for a high flying career in politics, the police force, the church or the media.

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Post by russiandoll on 19.02.14 9:21

Jemmied shatter    :  The post you commented on was certainly a good one, a pity the same can't be said for yours, which I am sure will be deleted by the forum admin. Have you not read what the posting rules are? Yours falls squarely into the libellous category.

 You take an inference drawn by Dr K Gaspar, upon seeing what she interpreted as a suggestive action by David Payne, which she believed referred to Madeleine McCann[ she did not say why she believed this ] and state it as a fact. It is abhorrent, on the basis of hearsay, to paint David Payne as a paedophile. This kind of thing belongs in the more crazed realms of twitter, not here.

Please note that whatever she witnessed in relation to a child, so she believed, was not enough to stop this man from bathing her child afterwards, albeit with supervision.

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 19.02.14 9:29

Agree Russiandoll. Gaspar even says in her statement that DP made HER think of the kind of person who would look at child porn (or similar) - the point being even her statement contains a frank admission of her own judgment and interpretation. It would be legally worthless and for anyone to state what it implies as fact is very wrong and libellous. 

By contrast Amaral's book wasn't and isn't.

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Post by ultimaThule on 19.02.14 9:36

angry2 In order to maintain normal blood pressure I'm going to have to stay away from this thread as Harman, Hewitt, and Hodge are among a small group of female politicians who are the ones I would most like to see in the village stocks prior to ducking with a bonfire made of any survivors, and if these odious creatures were on a tumbril headed for the guillotine I would travel with my knitting to the ends of the earth to watch them get the chop.

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Post by Guest on 19.02.14 9:38

Jemmied-Shatter your post has been deleted. No more of that sort of libellous posting please.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.02.14 9:42

Didn't we discuss this 3 months ago?

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Post by russiandoll on 19.02.14 9:53

@ultimaThule wrote:angry2 In order to maintain normal blood pressure I'm going to have to stay away from this thread as Harman, Hewitt, and Hodge are among a small group of female politicians who are the ones I would most like to see in the village stocks prior to ducking with a bonfire made of any survivors, and if these odious creatures were on a tumbril headed for the guillotine I would travel with my knitting to the ends of the earth to watch them get the chop.

 I can sympathise with your fury, UT. Thankfully this story is front page news and in a serious newspaper. Disgusting beyond words.

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Post by plebgate on 19.02.14 10:08

It is disgusting but not holding my breath that anything comes of it.

The newspapers know all about many I believe,  but cannot print because of people with money and powerful connections.

Well done the Daily Mail for printing - even though this has been on the internet for some time.

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Post by AndyB on 19.02.14 10:47

Its interesting they choose to publicise this well known story almost exactly a year after another related story first broke http://www.exaronews.com/articles/4838/met-paedophile-unit-prepares-to-arrest-ex-tory-cabinet-minister

Is the timing of the mail article another example of "don't look there look here type" distraction?

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Post by bobbin on 19.02.14 10:59

@plebgate wrote:It is disgusting but not holding my breath that anything comes of it.

The newspapers know all about many I believe, but cannot print because of people with money and powerful connections.

Well done the Daily Mail for printing - even though this has been on the internet for some time.

When the 'law doesn't or won't oblige', there is the 'alternative law' of 'naming and shaming'. It has the same outcome/ karma as the judgement that should have been handed down by a properly applied law.

The public at large will know that the perpetrators have been 'exposed'. That is what the perpetrators most 'fear', public exposure.

I feel quite sick after reading of the already known involvement of Harman, Hewitt and, the elsewhere implicated, Hodge. These women do not belong to the human race, and I'm with you uT, I'd be there with my knitting, red wool in the bag, and the biggest sized needles that it would be possible to carry, to my seat by the gallows.

I think the newspapers are cunning, they wait their time and then they deliver their well aimed blow.

This is the most damning report which will be rocking the ground that any other closet or covert paedophile might be standing on.

If the main players in the shadow government can be so named and shamed, and the paper does not pull its punches here, then who else might be telling themselves that they 'won't be named' too.

I think I can see why SY are taking their time over the McC case.

Gonçalo Amaral (and his erudite wife Sofia Leal) had his finger on the pulse right from the start. He said it will send shock waves when the truth comes out.

We have long been wondering just how the McCs were getting away with their smug, self-congratulating disparagement of all and everything that questioned their pink version of events.

The McC case has been so complex that the best minds on the job (ours and other fora and all other questioning members of the public) have so far come up with 'theories' that are almost certainly true and correct, but which have eluded the essential ingredient, 'proof'.

If SY are just one half of what I hope they can be, once the best force in town, then taking their time, along with newspaper articles like this one, there will be no hiding place for the evil schemers that celebrate 'abuse' as if it is their own god-given right, to 'take' from others and lie and spit in the faces of those that question.

The newspapers know what the public will accept, you can't make paedophilia right under any form of twisted argument, and you can't go away on holiday with a little daughter, and then say you have 'lost' her, without facing intense investigation.

The abuse from adults, who imagine that they can treat infants in a disgusting and abusive manner will never be accepted by the mainstay of society, and society will make this known.

Well done the newspapers this time, wide national coverage guaranteed.

May justice for Maddie be forthcoming, and with the public exposure of abusers of power, may there be at least 'public recognition' of the offense of abuse, against all abused children, past, present and future.


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Re: Daily Mail - The truth about Labour's apologists for paedophilia:

Post by tasprin on 19.02.14 11:03

Ineqe Survey On Attitudes Post Savile

This snapshot of attitudes post Savile was posted by Ineqe. Jim Gamble formerly of CEOP is the CEO of Ineqe

http://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/

Question: "Do you think investigative journalism has a part to play in exposing issues where traditional methods have failed?"  
91% answer Yes.



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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.02.14 11:29

This snapshot of attitudes post Savile was posted by Ineqe. Jim Gamble formerly of CEOP is the CEO of Ineqe
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Question: Do you, Jim Gamble, think that any parents, that are the only ones to have reported their daughter 'abducted' and were the last people to see her alive, and the friends that were with them, who have contradicted themselves on many occaisions about what 'happened', should be re-interviewd by Operation Grange?

Answer: YES 100% ...............NOT!

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Post by PeterMac on 19.02.14 11:47

@plebgate wrote:
Well done the Daily Mail for printing - even though this has been on the internet for some time.
Indeed.
And two fingers to all lawyers who attempt to conceal wickedness through the use of Libel laws.

This one I do find interesting. Not just one article, but two.
The second is written in the first person, as if to 'dare' them to go after him for defamation
Front page, and on the internet, so it is now unstoppable by anyone.

Secondly it seems to be 'close' to Yew Tree, so one wonders what else he has been told.

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Post by bobbin on 19.02.14 11:55

@PeterMac wrote:
@plebgate wrote:
Well done the Daily Mail for printing - even though this has been on the internet for some time.
Indeed.
And two fingers to all lawyers who attempt to conceal wickedness through the use of Libel laws.

This one I do find interesting. Not just one article, but two.
The second is written in the first person, as if to 'dare' them to go after him for defamation
Front page, and on the internet, so it is now unstoppable by anyone.

Secondly it seems to be 'close' to Yew Tree, so one wonders what else he has been told.

I echo your upbeat message PeterMac. I too feel that the challenge is out there, come and get me if you 'dare', appears to be coming from a position of strength, and it's the first time that we've seen it so pronounced.

To me, it means there is a lot more 'known', to back it up, and this must be rocking a lot of uneasy boats.
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Post by tasprin on 19.02.14 13:30

Well, at least this is out in the open. I don't care whether it's Lab, Lib or Cons - all three political parties have paedophiles in their cupboards and, by protecting them from scrutiny (and the law) all three have done everything in their power to enable these people.

Tony Blair made Margaret Hodge Minister for Children after her appalling failures at Islington - a less suitable person to represent children would be hard to find:

'Margaret Hodge became leader of Islington Borough Council in 1982 and remained leader until 1992.

In 1985, Demetrious Panton complained about abuse that he had suffered while in the council’s care in the 1970s and 1980s. He did not receive an official reply until 1989, in which the council denied responsibility.

Following Margaret Hodge’s astonishing appointment as ‘Minister for Children’ in Tony Blair’s Government 18 years later, Demetrious Panton went public with his allegation that he had been abused in Islington Council care and had repeatedly raised this issue with no effect.

He accused Hodge, as council leader at that time, of being ultimately responsible for the abuse that he suffered. After much pressure from campaigners and the media Margaret Hodge responded to Demetrious Panton in a letter in which she referred to him as ‘extremely disturbed’.

The letter was eventually published and the Minister for Children was forced to publicly apologise and pay compensation.

So, Margaret Hodge, former ‘Minister for Children’ who was leader of Islington Borough Council during the period where systemic child abuse took place, tell us what you know !'
https://theneedleblog.wordpress.com/2013/02/13/the-orwellian-minister-for-children-margaret-hodge/


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Post by jeanmonroe on 19.02.14 13:42

Alex Wickham‏@WikiGuido·14 hrs
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NO 'surprise' there then!






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Post by j.rob on 19.02.14 14:05

Amazing what politicians get away with. In most jobs you would be sacked for this type of behaviour - at least. If not prosecuted.

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Post by plebgate on 19.02.14 22:31

Say sorry and What?????????

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