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Could Madeleine have been snatched by a Berber working in PdL in May 2007 who thought Madeleine could be the mother of the future, long-promised, Muslim end-times figure, 'The Mahdi'?

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Could Madeleine have been snatched by a Berber working in PdL in May 2007 who thought Madeleine could be the mother of the future, long-promised, Muslim end-times figure, 'The Mahdi'?

Post by Tony Bennett on 17.02.14 21:13

I've placed the research report, including Hagland's theory: 'Was Maddie the future mother of The Mahdi?' in this information section of the forum:

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t9176-madeleine-mccann-could-have-been-abducted-by-berbers-from-north-africa-working-in-pdl-in-may-2007-who-overheard-people-talking-about-maddie-and-thought-they-were-talking-about-the-future-mother-of-the-coming-mahdi-a-mccann-team-theory#226787

Hagland was employed by the McCann Team, working in Brian Kennedy's Knutsford office, between September 2007 and March 2008.

I've opened this thread here for any discussion there may be about Hagland's 'Mahdi' theory.

The British public were donating money to Madeleine's Fund which was, inter alia, funding Hagland's Moroccan theories

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Re: Could Madeleine have been snatched by a Berber working in PdL in May 2007 who thought Madeleine could be the mother of the future, long-promised, Muslim end-times figure, 'The Mahdi'?

Post by ultimaThule on 17.02.14 23:16

It seems to me that 'Hagland's theory' falls at the first hurdle which is the Arabic pronounciation of 'Mahdi'  

Quite apart from the McCanns being insistent that they always called their daughter 'Madeleine', the abbreviated 'Maddy' or 'Maddie' sounds markedly different from 'Mardy' or 'Mardie' and, more particularly, when spoken by voices which have strong Glaswegian and Liverpudlian accents.

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Re: Could Madeleine have been snatched by a Berber working in PdL in May 2007 who thought Madeleine could be the mother of the future, long-promised, Muslim end-times figure, 'The Mahdi'?

Post by Tony Bennett on 17.02.14 23:30

@ultimaThule wrote:It seems to me that 'Hagland's theory' falls at the first hurdle which is the Arabic pronounciation of 'Mahdi'  

Quite apart from the McCanns being insistent that they always called their daughter 'Madeleine', the abbreviated 'Maddy' or 'Maddie' sound markedly different from 'Mardy' or 'Mardie' especially when spoken by voices which have strong Glaswegian and Liverpudlian accents.
Yes, that point occurred to me - it knocks the claim 'we never called her Maddie' on the head - but then, as Nigel Moore has demonstrated in an article on 'McCannfiles', there was a lot of other evidence that she was called 'Maddie'.

Hagland is an intelligent man, as his qualifications show.

I would like to know just when and why the McCanns decided to invest so much time and effort in Morocco.

There's a statement further on by Hagland:

"Brian Kennedy and I selected the Metodo 3 agent to be on the ground...".

I believe this to be a true statement. But in the bits of the book he's sent me, he doesn't say anything else: not the agent's name, nor how this Metodo 3 agent was selected, nor when the decision to appoint him was made.

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Re: Could Madeleine have been snatched by a Berber working in PdL in May 2007 who thought Madeleine could be the mother of the future, long-promised, Muslim end-times figure, 'The Mahdi'?

Post by Ollie on 17.02.14 23:30

Madeleine didn't have a colobama either, it was just a fleck and barely noticeable according to KM.

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Re: Could Madeleine have been snatched by a Berber working in PdL in May 2007 who thought Madeleine could be the mother of the future, long-promised, Muslim end-times figure, 'The Mahdi'?

Post by tigger on 18.02.14 6:27

I doubt very much that any variety of Islam would  wish to breed some or other saviour out of a long line of catholics.

Such a myth would only spring from the imagination of  those who consider themselves the 'great white supreme beings'  whose pure blood is the only substance from which such saviours can be born.

It also strengthens the myth that Maddie was an outstandingly beautiful child whose genes had to be perfect.
A lot of photographs tell a different story.

This whole Hagland story is just an elaboration on the by then already existing 'search' in Morrocco.
They went there in June, only a month after 3/5.  Perhaps it was easier to engineer sightings there and perhaps they needed an alternative existence for Maddie by then - an honoured future mother of a saviour instead of the toy of a paedo.
I'm convinced that the 'staying alive and unharmed ' of Maddie didn't surface until a few weeks into the enterprise.

Having chosen a paedophile gang which doesn't support this state of being an alternative had to be found asap.

This is from the Amazon forum on Madeleine, the book:
Cyr Jimenez Says:
February 8th, 2012 at 10:50 am
I can’t believe that nobody seems to have noticed Gerry’s blundering answer when, shortly after Madeleine’s ‘disappearance’,a reporter asked him. This is on record.
Q: ‘What is the purpose of the fund?’
R: It is to continue looking for Madeleine after the official search ends.
He was sure that none of the efforts of the Portuguese Authorities, Polícia Judiciária, Polícia de Segurança Pública, Polícia Marítima, etc. did stand a cat in hell chance of finding the unfortunate child. The McCanns are the only people that NEVER looked for Madeleine/
Cyr Jimenez Says:
February 8th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
I have said that the McCanns NEVER looked for Madeleine because, while their friends were knocking on doors waking up the dead that evening asking everybody to look for the little girl that‘had been abducted’, it was later established that her parents never moved from their apartment but were busy deleting compromising calls from their mobiles. (This is on record too).
When it was generally felt that the McCanns were not doing enough to find Madeleine and no Portuguese detective agency would touch them, they resorted to a well-known Barcelona Agency to which they paid a substantial sum (€50,000 from memory. It was not their money, was it?). The Agency immediately made a big song and dance of informing the world that they knew Madeleine was being held in Morocco and they were going to get her. I was furious.
It took me a while but in the end I managed to speak to the Managing Director in clear Spanish. I asked how was it that a Detective Agency of their standing could make such a ridiculous assertion making it known ‘they knew Madeleine was held in Morocco and they were going to get her’. He tried to wriggle out of it but in the end he said ‘DON’T ASK ME. THAT’S THE PARENTS STRATEGY’.
I am in no doubt that the truth will be known and Justice will be done IN THE END. It is doubly unfortunate that the ‘incident’ took place at the start of the Algarve tourist season so crucial for the Portuguese economy. Otherwise the Judiciária would have cut out all the pussyfooting from the outset.

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Re: Could Madeleine have been snatched by a Berber working in PdL in May 2007 who thought Madeleine could be the mother of the future, long-promised, Muslim end-times figure, 'The Mahdi'?

Post by watendlath on 20.02.14 14:06

A few points about the article:

a)
Allah’s Apostle replied: ‘To worship Allah as if you see Him, and if you cannot achieve this state of devotion then you must consider that He is looking at you’, Then he further asked: ‘When will the House be established?’ Allah’s Apostle replied: ‘’The answer has no better knowledge than the questioner.
But I will inform you about its portents: 1. When  slave (lady) gives birth to her Master, and 2. When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And The Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah

That is an incorrect translation, it should be: When the slave-woman gives birth to her mistress, not 'master'...the original Arabic is quite clear on that.

I've seen a number of discussions about this hadith; it is thought to refer to women in general and has nothing to do with the coming of the Mahdi.

b)
The concept of the all-seeing eye straddles many traditions; not least, it can be seen on the reverse of the Masonic-designed U.S. 1-dollar note.
The Eye of Providence, or the All-Seeing Eye of God, is a symbol showing an eye often surrounded by rays of light, or a glory, and usually enclosed by a triangle. It is sometimes interpreted as representing the eye of god watching over humankind,

The only concept of one eye in Islam is that of the Anti-Christ, who will be one-eyed.

c) The name 'Mahdi' is a title, just as 'Messiah' is a title.

The Mahdi's real name will be Muhammad Abdullah and he will be from Prophet Muhammad's family line (as mentioned in the article.)

Some Muslims call their sons Mahdi, but obviously that doesn't mean they think the child will actually grow up to be the Mahdi since the real one will be called Muhammad.

If a Muslim heard someone calling their daughter 'Maddy' and they heard it as 'Mahdi', they might think it a bit weird that a girl should be given a boys name, but I think the idea that anyone would make a connection with the expected Mahdi is plain McNonsense.

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Re: Could Madeleine have been snatched by a Berber working in PdL in May 2007 who thought Madeleine could be the mother of the future, long-promised, Muslim end-times figure, 'The Mahdi'?

Post by Guest on 20.02.14 14:56

Fascinating theory, but it doesn't seem to explain why two specialist police dogs would miraculously find blood and scent cadaver in the last place the child was seen alive.
Or why Kate and Gerry McCann and their publicist would arrange for massive Crimewatch-style press conferences encouraging people to chase after a man seen merely 'hanging around' by a tourist in Praia da Luz nearly a week before the family arrived there and a Posh Spice lookalike seen 800 miles away in Barcelona mumbling something about her daughter. All the while commissioning witness sketches of a man spotted a few streets away from their apartment, carrying a child fitting Madeleine's description, at the precise time she's believed to have gone missing - but, bizarrely, never making these pictures public.
Apart from that it's a brilliant theory.

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Re: Could Madeleine have been snatched by a Berber working in PdL in May 2007 who thought Madeleine could be the mother of the future, long-promised, Muslim end-times figure, 'The Mahdi'?

Post by Tony Bennett on 20.02.14 15:07

@watendlath wrote:A few points about the article:
But I will inform you about its portents: 1. When  slave (lady) gives birth to her Master, and 2. When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And The Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah

That is an incorrect translation, it should be: When the slave-woman gives birth to her mistress, not 'master'... [REST SNIPPED]
Thank you very much, watendlath, for shedding further light on this.

We are invited by Gary Hagland to believe that this was a genuine theory, sincerely promoted by him and the McCann Team to justify their search in Morocco.

But the more we look at this passage from Hagland's propsed book on the case, the more it looks as though the whole 'Maddie = Mahdi' theory is utterly contrived.

Your information on this point has been extremely useful, thanks once again for taking the time to drop by with all this info

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Post by j.rob on 20.02.14 15:33

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@watendlath wrote:A few points about the article:
But I will inform you about its portents: 1. When  slave (lady) gives birth to her Master, and 2. When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And The Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah

That is an incorrect translation, it should be: When the slave-woman gives birth to her mistress, not 'master'... [REST SNIPPED]
Thank you very much, watendlath, for shedding further light on this.

We are invited by Gary Hagland to believe that this was a genuine theory, sincerely promoted by him and the McCann Team to justify their search in Morocco.

But the more we look at this passage from Hagland's propsed book on the case, the more it looks as though the whole 'Maddie = Mahdi' theory is utterly contrived.

Your information on this point has been extremely useful, thanks once again for taking the time to drop by with all this info
The timing of this little charade was interesting though.....got the Mc ivestigation running off on another wild goose chase and kept the Fund money flowing in.  And I can see how this theory might be attractive to the McCanns who are more that a little grandiose.No doubt Morocco was always going to be quite a rich seam to tap for the McCircus brigade - given its proximity to the Algarve and its exotic connotations.

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Re: Could Madeleine have been snatched by a Berber working in PdL in May 2007 who thought Madeleine could be the mother of the future, long-promised, Muslim end-times figure, 'The Mahdi'?

Post by watendlath on 20.02.14 15:43

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@watendlath wrote:A few points about the article:
But I will inform you about its portents: 1. When  slave (lady) gives birth to her Master, and 2. When the shepherds of black camels start boasting and competing with others in the construction of higher buildings. And The Hour is one of five things which nobody knows except Allah

That is an incorrect translation, it should be: When the slave-woman gives birth to her mistress, not 'master'... [REST SNIPPED]
Thank you very much, watendlath, for shedding further light on this.

We are invited by Gary Hagland to believe that this was a genuine theory, sincerely promoted by him and the McCann Team to justify their search in Morocco.

But the more we look at this passage from Hagland's propsed book on the case, the more it looks as though the whole 'Maddie = Mahdi' theory is utterly contrived.

Your information on this point has been extremely useful, thanks once again for taking the time to drop by with all this info
 Don't mention it  smilie

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