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Re: Third letter of request sent by SY to Portugal - Tempo of Madeleine inquiry moving forward

Post by Tony Bennett on 13.02.14 22:17

candyfloss wrote:No comment!!  Tomorrows Express front page......


'Closing in' - NO

'Prime suspects' - NO

'Breakthrough' - NO

'Stepping up pressure' - NO - more likely it's a third and final attempt to get anyone in Portugal to reply to their letter

'Caught up in red tape' - NO - more likely Redwood's letters being churned up and disposed of by the PJ's shredder

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Post by Guest on 13.02.14 22:18

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:
You've said exactly what I feel, Tony, and have felt for some time. There's nothing new coming out, at least nothing credible. Where I do have a bit of hope is with the lack of credible information. This tells me that SY and the Portuguese police are getting on with it, behind the scenes, and letting the rumours and the insults fly wild in the public domain.
sallypelt, you are clearly blessed with a more generous heart and spirit than there is in my poor curmudgeonly soul.

They have had very nearly three years and over seven million quid so far
Dear mr Bennett,

Do you not agree that these are not -and cannot be- normal letters as you and I would send around?

These must be official 'Commisions Rogatory' or however they are formally called; i.e. formal requests from one authority to another one, along the proper official channels, on official governement business?

They are of the very top of the official ladder, so to speak, as were the documents by which the PJ requested -and got- the cooperation of the Leicestershire police, enabling the PJ to have the LP act as their one-on-one mouthpiece interviewing the Tapsniks.

I wouldn't be surprised one bit, if the -equally- official and oh so public visit of AR/SY to Faro the other day was to brief the PJ up to the hilt on the subjects and questions and actions AR/SY has been ferreting out regarding the facts, in abeiance of the arrival in Faro of the official rogatory documents and approvals

What are your views on this?

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Post by Guest on 13.02.14 22:19

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:Has the Mirror got the message?

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/madeleine-mccann-missing-british-police-3142582

No mention of burglars, ocean club workers, or dead tractor drivers.  They use the 'disappearance' word, not the 'abduction' word, and there's no speculation in the article at all.  

Perhaps their favourite source wasn't available for comment.

Also no real mention of the McCanns either..

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Post by Guest on 13.02.14 22:22

@canada12 wrote:I think the primary purpose of the latest story is to tell us this:

Mr Hewitt said so far the Yard had not asked the Portugese authorities to interview or arrest any suspects.

Which basically identifies stories in all of the newspapers reporting imminent arrests (and their "source") as utter nonsense.
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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 13.02.14 22:44

- SY on Crimewatch eliminate Tannerman, and with it Gerry McCann's alibi.

- SY on Crimewatch make the main focus a sighting that draws attention to Gerry McCann.

- Clarence Mitchell continues to spin increasingly outrageous stories to the press, and is revealed as doing so by the Guardian.

- The findmadeleine website continues to show Tannerman as the top suspect, with text that directly contradicts SY.

- SY now say that they have not requested any interviews or arrests of suspects, revealing all the recent press stories to be nonsense.

- The libel trial has gone mysteriously silent.

I shall remain optimistic. A lot has happened in the last three or four months.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.02.14 22:48

@Portia wrote:
Dear mr Bennett,

Do you not agree that these are not - and cannot be - normal letters as you and I would send around?
 
These must be official 'Commisions Rogatory' or however they are formally called..
Of course I agree.

Fully.

The British government - for whatever reason - held up the Portugese Police's rogatory letters.

For a long time.

At the time our Home Secretary was Jacqui Smith - probably best known now for having claimed for hiring pornographic videos for her and her husband to watch on her Parliamentary expense account.

My reading of matters is that Portuguese officials are doing exactly the same with our rogatory letters.

(I think I know the reason.

Let's put it this way. I don't think they trust Redwood.)
 
By the time the Portuguese police answer the rogatory letters back to the British, and then make arrangements (as international police protocol requires) for their police officers and accompanying translators to do joint visits with British, the burglars will either be dead - or more likely, 'flown'.

Face it, what would you do if the press said: "Three burglars are suspects". And you were one of the burglars?

And then "Rogatory letters applied for to interview burglars".

And then they read in tomorrow's Daily Express (which still retains the strapline: 'The World's Greatest Newspaper'):

"WE ARE CLOSING IN. YOU ARE PRIME SUSPECTS. WE ARE COMING TO GET YOU (well as soon as the PJ reply to Redwood's periodic requests).

Wouldn't you have gone to ground with a mate somewhere by now?

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 13.02.14 22:54

What burglars? I've not heard of any burglars from SY.

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Post by HelenMeg on 13.02.14 22:55

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:- SY on Crimewatch eliminate Tannerman, and with it Gerry McCann's alibi.

- SY on Crimewatch make the main focus a sighting that draws attention to Gerry McCann.

- Clarence Mitchell continues to spin increasingly outrageous stories to the press, and is revealed as doing so by the Guardian.

- The findmadeleine website continues to show Tannerman as the top suspect, with text that directly contradicts SY.

- SY now say that they have not requested any interviews or arrests of suspects, revealing all the recent press stories to be nonsense.

- The libel trial has gone mysteriously silent.

I shall remain optimistic.  A lot has happened in the last three or four months.
I am optimistic too. Over the years, on previous occasions when we have felt optimism we have generally been let down and ended up feeling more and more frustrated. I dont think so this time.
I believe the 'go ahead' has been given to reveal a partial truth of what occurred. I feel certain that both police forces know and understand what happened on 3rd May but now have backing to deliver some truth.

However, I understand why many are skeptical and cynical.   I am 3/4 full of optimism  splat

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 13.02.14 22:57

@HelenMeg wrote:
I am optimistic too. Over the years, on previous occasions when we have felt optimism we have generally been let down and ended up feeling more and more frustrated. I dont think so this time.
I believe the 'go ahead' has been given to reveal a partial truth of what occurred. I feel certain that both police forces know and understand what happened on 3rd May but now have backing to deliver some truth.

However, I understand why many are skeptical and cynical.   I am 3/4 full of optimism  splat

Exactly how I feel :)

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Post by Guest on 13.02.14 23:00

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:[...]   I am 3/4 full of optimism  splat

Exactly how I feel :)[/quote]
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Make that 9/10 for me ...  yes 

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Post by Tangled Web on 13.02.14 23:06

I'm hopeful and really don't want to be disappointed. I think the powers that be are going to struggle to keep a lid on this now.

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Post by diatribe on 13.02.14 23:07

@Tony Bennett wrote:


Face it, what would you do if the press said: "Three burglars are suspects". And you were one of the burglars?

And then "Rogatory letters applied for to interview burglars".

And then they read in tomorrow's Daily Express (which still retains the strapline: 'The World's Greatest Newspaper'):

"WE ARE CLOSING IN. YOU ARE PRIME SUSPECTS. WE ARE COMING TO GET YOU (well as soon as the PJ reply to Redwood's periodic requests).

Wouldn't you have gone to ground with a mate somewhere by now?
Tony, as you and anyone with an iota of intelligence knows, there won't be a burglar on this planet who will be remotely perturbed about getting a mention in the British tabloids vis a vis anything relating to the abduction of the McCann's daughter.

Now if there were rumours of another Met. Police excursion into the domain of Deposit Boxes----- big grin

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Post by Guest on 13.02.14 23:07

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Portia wrote:
Dear mr Bennett,

Do you not agree that these are not - and cannot be - normal letters as you and I would send around?
 
These must be official 'Commisions Rogatory' or however they are formally called..
Of course I agree.

Fully.

The British government - for whatever reason - held up the Portugese Police's rogatory letters.

For a long time.

At the time our Home Secretary was Jacqui Smith - probably best known now for having claimed for hiring pornographic videos for her and her husband to watch on her Parliamentary expense account.

My reading of matters is that Portuguese officials are doing exactly the same with our rogatory letters.

(I think I know the reason.

Let's put it this way. I don't think they trust Redwood.)
 
By the time the Portuguese police answer the rogatory letters back to the British, and then make arrangements (as international police protocol requires) for their police officers and accompanying translators to do joint visits with British, the burglars will either be dead - or more likely, 'flown'.

Face it, what would you do if the press said: "Three burglars are suspects". And you were one of the burglars?

And then "Rogatory letters applied for to interview burglars".

And then they read in tomorrow's Daily Express (which still retains the strapline: 'The World's Greatest Newspaper'):

"WE ARE CLOSING IN. YOU ARE PRIME SUSPECTS. WE ARE COMING TO GET YOU (well as soon as the PJ reply to Redwood's periodic requests).

Wouldn't you have gone to ground with a mate somewhere by now?
'Course I would and so would you

But that's not the issue here; it is: who benefits from offering word of all these ridiculous charcters to the media?

Only those, who hope to delay their own arrest by trying to clog the wheels of justice to the max, by, even at this late hour, trying to elicit as many decoy-sightings as money will buy from a not so gullible public in the UK

Every fake sighting will demand police capacity, detracting some copper from handling the right stuff

They are buying time, like people in a troika chased by wolves, who throw their children out of the cart one by one, until only they remain, and then the fight which one of the couple will survive

Let's wait and see: interesting times ahead

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Post by Seek truth on 13.02.14 23:08

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:What burglars?  I've not heard of any burglars from SY.
They don't have to say it, they've got the papers to say it.

They've  allowed them to say it by doing nothing. You know, like they've allowed the mccanns site to continue with Tannerman. What kind of people are they who do not bother to update their site with such important information! Don't tell me SY doesn't know!

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 13.02.14 23:10

@Seek truth wrote:
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:What burglars?  I've not heard of any burglars from SY.
They don't have to say it, they've got the papers to say it.

They've  allowed them to say it by doing nothing. You know, like they've allowed the mccanns site to continue with Tannerman. What kind of people are they who do not bother to update their site with such important information!

Those are just assumptions on your part.

And what law would SY use to force the McCanns to take Tannerman off their website?

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Post by Seek truth on 13.02.14 23:19

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@Seek truth wrote:
@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:What burglars?  I've not heard of any burglars from SY.
They don't have to say it, they've got the papers to say it.

They've  allowed them to say it by doing nothing. You know, like they've allowed the mccanns site to continue with Tannerman. What kind of people are they who do not bother to update their site with such important information!

Those are just assumptions on your part.

And what law would SY use to force the McCanns to take Tannerman off their website?
Did I say they needed a law to force them?

If they had questioned the mccanns about not removing Tannerman, they would have removed it by now, or would they have a very good reason to say to SY "oh sorry we can't we are too busy making money, would you like some?"

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Post by diatribe on 13.02.14 23:19

@Seek truth wrote:


They've  allowed them to say it by doing nothing. You know, like they've allowed the mccanns site to continue with Tannerman. What kind of people are they who do not bother to update their site with such important information! Don't tell me SY doesn't know!

I don't know who you mean by they, but one can't stop others from purporting theories however ridiculous they might be, otherwise this and other forums, both for and against the McCanns would cease to exist.

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 13.02.14 23:21

@Seek truth wrote:
Did I say they needed a law to force them?

If they had questioned the mccanns about not removing Tannerman, they would have removed it by now, or would they have a very good reason to say to SY "oh sorry we can't we are too busy making money, would you like some?"

I didn't say that you had.

That's just another assumption.  What if the McCanns just said no?  How do we know that this hasn't actually happened?  There's nothing SY can do to take that stuff off the website.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 13.02.14 23:23

@Portia wrote:
But that's not the issue here; it is: who benefits from offering word of all these ridiculous charcters to the media?
OK - good question - Cui bono? - Who benefits?

ANSWER:

1. The media. Especially the tabloids, desperate to hold their advertising revenue and sell more papers. 

2. Operation Grange at Scotland Yard - justifying the three years and £7 million-plus they've spent getting precisely nowhere so far

3. BBC CrimeWatch - 6.7 million watched their McCann Show - and their viewer ratings are up

4. The government and David Cameron - all these reports make it look as though their decision to commit untold millions to these enquiries was a good one

5. Microchip companies, who trade partly on the fears of parents about strangers abducting their children

6. AND, basically, anyone and everyone else who, for whatever reason, wants to perpetuate accounts of Madeleine's abduction in the public mind

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Post by marconi on 13.02.14 23:24

Dee Coy wrote:
@marconi wrote:
@marconi wrote:tempo moving fowards : does it mean that it is going faster?
who can answer me this question, please?
In physics, an object travels at a constant speed (velocity) unless it is acted on by a force. The rate of acceleration is determined by how hard that shove is and how quickly the velocity therefore increases in relation to time.

The equation for this is:

Acceleration =Velocity/Time.

I.e., The rate of acceleration increases as the speed (velocity) increases relative to the time taken. So for the speed to increase the object must undergo a bloody big shove and will pass the 'finish line' in a shorter amount of time.

"Increasing the tempo" or, put another way, the rate of "tempo moving forward" means acceleration is happening. With luck, things are moving faster and a conclusion will be reached more quickly. Quite unequivocal!  At least, that's my interpretation of his words. big grin

Good Lord, Dee Coy, you are clever! Thank you for the trouble.

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 13.02.14 23:26

@Tony Bennett wrote:
6. AND, basically, anyone and everyone else who, for whatever reason, wants to perpetuate accounts of Madeleine's abduction in the public mind

e.g. the McCanns.

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Post by diatribe on 13.02.14 23:32

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Portia wrote:
But that's not the issue here; it is: who benefits from offering word of all these ridiculous charcters to the media?
OK - good question - Cui bono? - Who benefits?

ANSWER:

1. The media. Especially the tabloids, desperate to hold their advertising revenue and sell more papers. 

2. Operation Grange at Scotland Yard - justifying the three years and £7 million-plus they've spent getting precisely nowhere so far

3. BBC CrimeWatch - 6.7 million watched their McCann Show - and their viewer ratings are up

4. The government and David Cameron - all these reports make it look as though their decision to commit untold millions to these enquiries was a good one

5. Microchip companies, who trade partly on the fears of parents about strangers abducting their children

6. AND, basically, anyone and everyone else who, for whatever reason, wants to perpetuate accounts of Madeleine's abduction in the public mind

Plus its good groundwork for the film when the McCann's advisors think that the time has come when the public will accept it.

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Post by marconi on 13.02.14 23:33

My sincere gratitude to all the polite posters who took the trouble to explain the tempo question.
It is wonderful to hear from polite people!

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Post by Seek truth on 13.02.14 23:34

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@Seek truth wrote:
Did I say they needed a law to force them?

If they had questioned the mccanns about not removing Tannerman, they would have removed it by now, or would they have a very good reason to say to SY "oh sorry we can't we are too busy making money, would you like some?"

I didn't say that you had.

That's just another assumption.  What if the McCanns just said no?  How do we know that this hasn't actually happened?  There's nothing SY can do to take that stuff off the website.
If the mccanns say no to SY There's something seriously wrong. So Then they should be interrogated even more, which is what we all want. Question them! 
 Maybe it could up the tempo!

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