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Post by sami on 31.01.14 21:39

@ultimaThule wrote:
However, discounting the Paynes who were fortuitiously equipped with an especially long range baby monitor, I can't find any account of the other couples in the group checking on either the McCann children or their own prior to 3 May 2007.


Perhaps because 3rd May was one of the only nights all adults actually went to the table ?  No adult was reported as sick and staying in that night.  On other occasions there was the monitor in Paynes and an adult "sick", so no need for the checking system ?

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Post by NickE on 31.01.14 21:43

@Dr What wrote:Assuming the child was dead and behind the sofa AND you had put her there temporarily before deciding how to dispose of the corpse, would you leave ANY main door or patio door unlocked in the interim and run the risk of anyone going inside.
I believe GM is calculating enough not to have done that.IF there was anyone amongst the Tapas 7 who was in the know, then I tend to think that they would have been given a key to enter the apartment.
The door was left unlocked, maybe because someone was "hired" to pick her up after it has become dark outside?!?

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Post by Woofer on 31.01.14 22:06

@NickE wrote:
@Dr What wrote:Assuming the child was dead and behind the sofa AND you had put her there temporarily before deciding how to dispose of the corpse, would you leave ANY main door or patio door unlocked in the interim and run the risk of anyone going inside.
I believe GM is calculating enough not to have done that.IF there was anyone amongst the Tapas 7 who was in the know, then I tend to think that they would have been given a key to enter the apartment.
The door was left unlocked, maybe because someone was "hired" to pick her up after it has become dark outside?!?

.....  and SY have re-named them `burglars`.

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Post by Ollie on 01.02.14 0:49

@Woofer wrote:
@NickE wrote:
@Dr What wrote:Assuming the child was dead and behind the sofa AND you had put her there temporarily before deciding how to dispose of the corpse, would you leave ANY main door or patio door unlocked in the interim and run the risk of anyone going inside.
I believe GM is calculating enough not to have done that.IF there was anyone amongst the Tapas 7 who was in the know, then I tend to think that they would have been given a key to enter the apartment.
The door was left unlocked, maybe because someone was "hired" to pick her up after it has become dark outside?!?

.....  and SY have re-named them `burglars`.
I have been reading David Paynes rogatory interviews, just started reading part three (this will probably sound bizarre) I thought of blackmail...could SY be checking bank accounts because someone knew what happened and maybe blackmailed the McCanns? I know it's probably farfetched but after Reading DPs RIs it's not really surprising!

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Post by Rasputin on 01.02.14 6:17

@Ollie wrote:
@Woofer wrote:
@NickE wrote:
@Dr What wrote:Assuming the child was dead and behind the sofa AND you had put her there temporarily before deciding how to dispose of the corpse, would you leave ANY main door or patio door unlocked in the interim and run the risk of anyone going inside.
I believe GM is calculating enough not to have done that.IF there was anyone amongst the Tapas 7 who was in the know, then I tend to think that they would have been given a key to enter the apartment.
The door was left unlocked, maybe because someone was "hired" to pick her up after it has become dark outside?!?

.....  and SY have re-named them `burglars`.
I have been reading David Paynes rogatory interviews, just started reading part three (this will probably sound bizarre) I thought of blackmail...could SY be checking bank accounts because someone knew what happened and maybe blackmailed the McCanns? I know it's probably farfetched but after Reading DPs RIs it's not really surprising!

When Gerry had his wallet ' stolen ' Kate made a tv appeal for its return , saying ...." we don't care about the money we just want the photos back "....I always thought there was something more to this appeal for some reason .

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Post by NickE on 01.02.14 7:27

If Kate talks truth about the wallet, there is someone out there who may have this sensitive photos, if so, that person may have the key, but is \"paid" by someone to be quiet, long shot but ....... wrote:
@Ollie wrote:
@Woofer wrote:
@NickE wrote:
@Dr What wrote:Assuming the child was dead and behind the sofa AND you had put her there temporarily before deciding how to dispose of the corpse, would you leave ANY main door or patio door unlocked in the interim and run the risk of anyone going inside.
I believe GM is calculating enough not to have done that.IF there was anyone amongst the Tapas 7 who was in the know, then I tend to think that they would have been given a key to enter the apartment.
The door was left unlocked, maybe because someone was "hired" to pick her up after it has become dark outside?!?

.....  and SY have re-named them `burglars`.
I have been reading David Paynes rogatory interviews, just started reading part three (this will probably sound bizarre) I thought of blackmail...could SY be checking bank accounts because someone knew what happened and maybe blackmailed the McCanns? I know it's probably farfetched but after Reading DPs RIs it's not really surprising!

When Gerry had his wallet ' stolen ' Kate made a tv appeal for its return , saying ...." we don't care about the money we just want the photos back "....I always thought there was something more to this appeal for some reason .

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Post by DurhamGuy1967 on 01.02.14 7:59

@NickE wrote:
If Kate talks truth about the wallet, there is someone out there who may have this sensitive photos, if so, that person may have the key, but is \"paid" by someone to be quiet, long shot but ....... wrote:
@Ollie wrote:
@Woofer wrote:
@NickE wrote:
@Dr What wrote:Assuming the child was dead and behind the sofa AND you had put her there temporarily before deciding how to dispose of the corpse, would you leave ANY main door or patio door unlocked in the interim and run the risk of anyone going inside.
I believe GM is calculating enough not to have done that.IF there was anyone amongst the Tapas 7 who was in the know, then I tend to think that they would have been given a key to enter the apartment.
The door was left unlocked, maybe because someone was "hired" to pick her up after it has become dark outside?!?

.....  and SY have re-named them `burglars`.
I have been reading David Paynes rogatory interviews, just started reading part three (this will probably sound bizarre) I thought of blackmail...could SY be checking bank accounts because someone knew what happened and maybe blackmailed the McCanns? I know it's probably farfetched but after Reading DPs RIs it's not really surprising!

When Gerry had his wallet ' stolen ' Kate made a tv appeal for its return , saying ...." we don't care about the money we just want the photos back "....I always thought there was something more to this appeal for some reason .
What if a fairly decent amount of money had been drawn out? say £2k. He would need to explain where it had been spent.

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Post by diatribe on 01.02.14 11:57

@DurhamGuy1967 wrote:

Assuming the child was dead and behind the sofa AND you had put her there
What if a fairly decent amount of money had been drawn out? say £2k. He would need to explain where it had been spent.
I'd be surprised if prior to the Donation Fund, the McCanns had 2K in cash. Like most people in the UK, everything they owned was probably strapped up and their overdraft stretched to the limit.

There will undoubtably be a school of thought subscribing to the fact that to be skint with no debt in the UK are riches beyond most's dreams. Those halcyon days of being debt free and merely skint would be but distant memories of a golden age to most UK subjects. They may even predate those carefree days when one could cross one's threshold into the street and not be recorded by a state CCTV device, or filmed by some pervert with a mobile phone directed at your girlfriend's ass.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 01.02.14 12:19

@diatribe wrote:
@DurhamGuy1967 wrote:

Assuming the child was dead and behind the sofa AND you had put her there
What if a fairly decent amount of money had been drawn out? say £2k. He would need to explain where it had been spent.
I'd be surprised if prior to the Donation Fund, the McCanns had 2K in cash. Like most people in the UK, everything they owned was probably strapped up and their overdraft stretched to the limit.

There will undoubtably be a school of thought subscribing to the fact that to be skint with no debt in the UK are riches beyond most's dreams. Those halcyon days of being debt free and merely skint would be but distant memories of a golden age to most UK subjects. They may even predate those carefree days when one could cross one's threshold into the street and not be recorded by a state CCTV device, or filmed by some pervert with a mobile phone directed at your girlfriend's ass.

The writer of the card calls them "thieving b******s" for using money from the Find Madeleine Fund to make two payments on their mortgage.

"Gerry and Kate, how can you use money given by poor people in good faith (to 'search' for Madeleine) to pay your mortgage on your mansion?"

Imo, the McS were 'at it' almost immediately.

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Post by diatribe on 01.02.14 12:50

@nglfi wrote:However much spin is put on this, and however many part time burglars-cum-kidappers come out of the woodwork, nothing will ever change Kate's refusal to answer questions, the couple's departure as soon as they were made arguidos, and their general obstructiveness and deliberate damage to the investigation.
Those are far stronger indicators of what happened than staff who occasionally stole from holiday makers. Where is the evidence placing these staff members at the scene?
Where is the evidence they used the Renault scenic, rather than the Macs? Where is the evidence they borrowed Kate's clothes to kill Maddie in (God knows when they did that, before or after selling her to the paedophile network?!)

An excellent analysis, nglfi(I do hope I've spelt your name correctly:) The only answer I can provide to any of your poignant observations is in relation to our much revered and esteemed, Dr. Kate McCann's refusal to answer questions.

Presumably you are referring to her interview at the local plod stn. as she will have undoubtably have spoken with various members of the Portugese constabulary prior to this, particularly in the immediate aftermath of the interment of her daughter, Madeleine. (I much prefer the word interment to disappearance, its got a more authentic tone )

When our intrepid doctor underwent this 'interview', it would have been conducted on the  basis of her being a suspect as opposed to a witness. Presumably she would have been cautioned in the same manner as if she were undergoing an IUC(Interview under caution) in the UK. Under these circumstances, she would almost certainly have been advised by her legal counsel and by this time there would have been many, to not answer any of the questions put to her during the course of this interrogation.( I prefer the word interrogation to that of interview, the latter being a euphemism for the former)

I can understand the confusion over this matter of our flat chested heroine's refusal to answer these pertinent questions, but one has to distinguish between being 'interviewed' as a suspect and 'interviewed' as a witness, because there is no correlation between the two, the difference being as wide as retail shop prices and the actual value of a commodity which is as expansive as the Grand Canyon.

NB, Readers will have to excuse the number of edits, I always tend to find upon review a certain amout of grammatical errors, ie. the odd spelling mistake, excess or lack of punctuation, inappropriate use of apostrophes, etc., etc. and I'm sure there's still enough left for the pedants to build the foundations for another Find Madeleine fund. Rolling Eyes 

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Post by NickE on 01.02.14 12:55

Where is Edward Snowden and Wikileaks when we need them??!?

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Post by Guest on 01.02.14 13:28

Ollie, Your idea about someone blackmailing the Macs is not in itself imo overly far fetched, since obviously, since time imemorial, people have been blackmailing others for things they claim to know about them or claim to have seen them do and have demanded hush money winkwink.  Who could that be though? Surely not the bungling 'new to abduction' burglars?

I'm not sure though how any activity on the Fund could necessarily suggest or refute that either way. Would blackmailers be paid in several large sums or as a drip feed? Who would know what pattern of payment to look for? That's assuming SY would ever see fit to examine the Fund anyway. coffee Which they probably haven't.

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Post by diatribe on 01.02.14 13:47

MILLIE wrote:Ollie, Your idea about someone blackmailing the Macs is not in itself imo overly far fetched, since obviously, since time imemorial, people have been blackmailing others for things they claim to know about them or claim to have seen them do and have demanded hush money winkwink.  Who could that be though? Surely not the bungling 'new to abduction' burglars?

I'm not sure though how any activity on the Fund could necessarily suggest or refute that either way. Would blackmailers be paid in several large sums or as a drip feed? Who would know what pattern of payment to look for? That's assuming SY would ever see fit to examine the Fund anyway. coffee Which they probably haven't.

An interesting analogy, Millie, but as previously stated, the confidence of the McCanns, particularly in the case of our not so veritable Gerry with his 'Catch us if you can' cavalier attitude would tend to suggest that they are not vulnerable to others being privy to what actually occurred to Madeleine.

Also, the amount of money made available for information leading to the whereabouts or what happened to Madeleine not being claimed would tend to substantiate the aforementioned thesis. There's no honour amongst thieves, blackmailers, burglers, holiday camp employees, aspiring abductors, paedos on their death beds et al when it involves financial reward and immunity from prosecution. big grin

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Post by Guest on 01.02.14 16:08

Yes, you make valid points there, Diatribe. The business of why no-one ever came forward to claim the reward money is interesting. I think Jeanmonroe made that point on a different thread, and the point was made that the bungling burglars could have come forward and tried to claim a reward for 'finding' Madeleine, if indeed, they had snatched her in the first place and got cold feet. Then again, can we be certain no-one ever did see something 'worth telling'? Maybe something which even he/she/they didn't even recognise was crucial information? With many people being encouraged to send whatever info they had to the in-house website, who knows what was sent in and how much of it was lost, redirected, deleted. We will just never know.

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Post by Guest on 01.02.14 16:32

MILLIE wrote:Yes, you make valid points there, Diatribe. The business of why no-one ever came forward to claim the reward money is interesting. I think Jeanmonroe made that point on a different thread, and the point was made that the bungling burglars could have come forward and tried to claim a reward for 'finding' Madeleine, if indeed, they had snatched her in the first place and got cold feet. Then again, can we be certain no-one ever did see something 'worth telling'? Maybe something which even he/she/they didn't even recognise was crucial information? With many people being encouraged to send whatever info they had to the in-house website, who knows what was sent in and how much of it was lost, redirected, deleted. We will just never know.

I like to think that even burglars, if they were to stumble upon a child's body during the course of their "work", wouldn't keep it themselves but would let the authorities know, even if only anonymously.

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Post by Doug D on 01.02.14 18:29

Millie:
 
“With many people being encouraged to send whatever info they had to the in-house website, who knows what was sent in and how much of it was lost, redirected, deleted. We will just never know.’
 
And even today they are still at it!  Completely ludicrous & surely should be stopped by SY.
 
Maybe the Crimewatch appeal should have been extended to ask for anyone who ever came forward with any info. directly to the  website or 24:7 telephone line in the past to resubmit anything to the Met Police contact, but I can’t see it’s ever going to happen. It would be nice to add the photos that never reached the PJ to this list as well, although presumably SY are at least aware of & could obtain access to these if they wanted.
 
If anything ever came to court (& I feel it’s a big if), how far could any responsibility for attempting to pervert the course of justice fall, as regards site owners, web-master, admin staff, media management, etc or would it just be a case of everybody trying to distance themselves from everything & a free for all, with everyone claiming deniability of any knowledge?

I think we’ve heard it before somewhere, “I was only following orders.”

Is there already a case on the back-burner regarding the withheld M3 reports or is that just water under the bridge?

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Post by mysterion on 01.02.14 18:43

Airing the boot of the Scenic. Has there ever been a re-enactment of how long it takes for meat, fish and nappy odour to disperse? Once it has been cleaned up, not very long I would have thought. Also, as a car renter, aren`t you supposed to ensure that the car is locked whilst unattended, especially with all those burglars about.

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Post by Guest on 01.02.14 19:08

I can testify, that a whole bucket [10 kilos] of frozen raw herrings [a long story, which I will spare you], when defrosted started leaking into a NEW refrigerator. It took two days to clean out and air it ... [and it was really "bad" to start with ...] ... But that was it ...

There is JUST one scent, which everyone, who had the mischance of experiencing it, will tell you: You don't get rid of it and you'll NEVER forget ...

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 01.02.14 19:14

@Tony Bennett wrote:
candyfloss wrote:

Just on a few lines on the front page:

may have been snatched

may have been sold by her kidnappers

alleged the suspect worked

suspects thought to have 

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Newspapers like this don't deserve to survive

Quite so. Grange said they were not going to give running commentary through their investigation/review, and apart from Crimewatch appearances, and they haven't. The press are probably annoyed at not being given "official" information and IMO are printing a load of old cobblers in the hope that they will find something out by annoying Grange. Perhaps they are awaiting their nonsense to be corrected, so they can make assumptions from that.

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Post by ultimaThule on 01.02.14 20:23

Châtelaine wrote:I can testify, that a whole bucket [10 kilos] of frozen raw herrings [a long story, which I will spare you], when defrosted started leaking into a NEW refrigerator. It took two days to clean out and air it ... [and it was really  "bad" to start with ...] ... But that was it ...

There is JUST one scent, which everyone, who had the mischance of experiencing it, will tell you: You don't get rid of it and you'll NEVER forget ...
Which is why, in the event Smithman was in possession of a dead body, we can be reasonably sure that the child met its end not more than 24 hours before its corpse was paraded around the streets of Luz.

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Post by ultimaThule on 01.02.14 21:04

@Ollie wrote:< snip >
I have been reading David Paynes rogatory interviews, just started reading part three (this will probably sound bizarre) I thought of blackmail...could SY be checking bank accounts because someone knew what happened and maybe blackmailed the McCanns? I know it's probably farfetched but after Reading DPs RIs it's not really surprising!
What did you read in that particular work of fiction which turned your thoughts to blackmail, Ollie?

Ms Kish's statement which put GM in Lagos cmid-day-1pm on Monday 7 May 2007 could go some way to substantiating this theory but, as KM was at pains to explain in her bewk, at that time both she and her spouse were 'surrounded by media, police, and embassy officials as of course Gerry's phone records showed', albeit she does not give any indication as to which of Gerry's phones showed him to be in Luz imbibing pre-luncheon sherry with the aforementioned parties.

Nevertheless, this theory would conveniently account for the contents of the buckets/boxes and other collecting devices used for soliciting cash donations which do not appear to be shown in the lifestyle fund's published records of income and expenditure as, should they be questioned on this matter, the limited company's directors can explain that the blackmailer(s) wouldn't agree to take cheques or accept regular payments by bank transfer.     winkwink

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