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Post by justagrannynow 1 on 27.04.10 17:16

http://thentherewere4-mccannunravelled.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, 27 April 2010
BURGAU - STARRY NIGHTS

Clarence Mitchell put the press firmly and without reservation into the pocket of the McCanns. At the very beginning of the McCann affair it had been put about Mitchell had been in Praia da Luz prior to May the 3rd. There were even quite unfounded tales of Mitchell paying the McCann's Tapas Bar bill. Once the police files were released it was plain that this rumour was one that had been once and for all quite 'Scotched'.

We all now know, no one, not even Kate and Gerry McCann have ever lied to the police in police interviews, and we also now know the Portuguese Police files are a totally accurate written record, and are perhaps the most reliable source of information man has ever committed to paper, DVD or cassette recorder. Anyone seeking answers should refer immediately to the police record as it is widely accepted as a complete truth about the McCanns and their deeds. Anyone reading this and actually believing this needs to seek out professional help - before it is too late.

The Police evidence is evidence. It is also evidence that was tampered with, evidence that was corrupted, and it was evidence that was destroyed. Evidence was omitted and other evidence was included, as to the relevence of the entire contents of the investigation this is something we will probably never know. Police interviews were mistranslated, or poorly recorded, sometimes both, and no matter wether the interviews took place in Portugal or in the UK the same casual almost meaningless approach to harvesting the truth of the matter was employed at all police authorities and at all times.

If we look to the photographic record we only see more of the same.Timelines are inaccurate and people seem to appear in the most unlikely of places and at the most unlikely of times. The press were in Mitchell's grasp from the day he arrived in Luz, whenever that was.



In this Bruno press page capture Mitchell was described as being in Luz, and also as having been one of the McCann's dining companions at the Paraiso beach restaurant at Maddie's last supper, on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007. This allegation has never been denied by Mitchell. Mitchell then compounds the mystery as to his whereabouts on,before or shortly after May the 3rd 2007 by suggesting the MP Jim Murphy lied to the House when he stated Mitchell had worked for the McCanns for 25 days in May 2007. This indicates a sequential start date of May the 6th and not as Mitchell himself had said, his first day was May the 21st 2007. Mitchell as ever attempts to cover all the bases by then stating he was present in Luz on Sunday May the 6th 2007. As to the truth, that is one small detail, Mitchell for one, will loose any sleep over.



This is a still from the McCann's Xmas video of 2007. The video was filmed on Christmas Day 2006. The still was sent to me for analysis by Steve Marsden, the author of the recently released book 'Faked Abduction'. In the Xmas video there are only members of Sue Healy's family to be seen. Brian Kennedey, Sue's brother is present, as is Uncle Jack, who is Val's husband. Aunty Val is Sue's sister. Kate McCann is also present. There was however one man present who could not be so easily identified. There was only one clear frame of the face of this man and this is the one used for identification purposes.

Having made an exhaustive search of news footage and stills of all the major news sources that covered the McCann affair it seems there is a likely match for this man, and that this man was a member of the press corps covering the story from the very earliest of days.



The reporters name is Geraint Vincent a graduate of the University of East Anglia in Norfolk, and he works for ITN News. Vincent was videoed on the beach in Burgau whilst he was covering the distraction that were the events surrounding an East European couple who had been reported as behaving suspiciously in Burgau.

This particular theme once exhausted was then quickly developed into the very first 'sighting' of the disappeared Maddie, in a nearby petrol station. Petol stations seemed thereafter to be a preferred venue for Maddie 'sightings' . This idea was further developed and became a prominent theme. Maddie was in time, to turn up and be sighted at them in various locations right across the globe, but this one near to Burgau was the first, the original.



The McCann's through links of one sort or another with the Murats, the Vincents and the Eveleighs, all well established local families in the area, have strong associations and bonds in the small village of Burgau. They all also maintain several businesses of one sort or another. Apart form these families the region has only one other major employer based in the village, the Royal British Legion at their large hotel complex, 'Tempomar' or in English, 'Templars on sea'.

It may be that it was these close relationships, and familial bonds, that might have conspired to further the confounding of the police attempts to solve the crime that had been comitted in Praia da Luz on the 3rd of May. The leads offered by members of the public in Burgau were all quite pointless. Their only purpose was to distract the direction of the investigation, and to remove the McCann's from the focus of the Portuguese police's examination as suspects in their child's death. The ploy was a total success. For a period of about one month, the resources of the police and their agencies were comitted to a wild goose chase, and the pressure on the Mccann's eased up considerably.

ITN's video cache shows that Vincent made only one major contribution to ITN's output and that was a few shorts on the beach at Burgau and one interview.




The subject here being interviewed by Vincent, is Sally Vincent. This was filmed in the front garden of her bed and breakfast in Burgau. Ralph Vincent is the partner, both in business and otherwise of Sally Eveleigh. Sally Eveleigh lives in Luz with Ralp and together they have extensive business interests in Luz and Burgau along with Robert's mother Jennifer Murat. Sally is also an aunt to Robert Murat.

ITN took the unprecedented step of paying £10,000 to the McCann's fund. ITN was one of the first contibutors and one of the largest of the initial contributors to the McCanns. The money was paid almost the moment the 'fighting fund' was organised.

Vincent's presence in the McCann's lounge on Christmas Day 2006 with the McCanns and their immediate family now suggests Mitchell's presence in Luz on the 3rd of May, might not have been such a fantasy after all.
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Post by The Shelfstacker on 27.04.10 23:17

So let me get this straight: Geraint Vincent is allegedly close enough (whether friend, acquaintance or relation) to the Healy/McCann family as to be in the house and in the presence of Kate McCann and Madeleine on a Christmas Day when most people are with their own family. Further, the same Geraint Vincent is allegedly connected to (and MAY be related to) Robert Murat through Murat's aunt Sally Vincent/Eveleigh. The article doesn't explicitly say that Geraint Vincent and Sally Vincent are related but it alludes to it. And just to cut out the middle-man, as it were, Kate McCann and Robert Murat attended the same family wedding as youngsters. Mmm...

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Post by justagrannynow 1 on 28.04.10 5:46

I thought it was the Tapas group minus Kate, Gerry and Madeleine who had lunch at the Paraiso Restaurant, not an evening meal.

There again, there are so many twists and turns in this case I wouldn't be surprised to read anything any more. All I know for sure is that Madeleine McCann disappeared and the parents and their friends are being less than open and honest about what happened on that holiday.

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Post by vaguely1 on 28.04.10 16:29

Nonentity wrote:So let me get this straight: ***A man that looks a bit like*** Geraint Vincent is allegedly close enough (whether friend, acquaintance or relation) to the Healy/McCann family as to be in the house and in the presence of Kate McCann and Madeleine on a Christmas Day when most people are with their own family. Further, the same Geraint Vincent is allegedly connected to (and MAY be related to) Robert Murat through Murat's aunt Sally Vincent/Eveleigh. The article doesn't explicitly say that Geraint Vincent and Sally Vincent are related but it alludes to it. And just to cut out the middle-man, as it were, Kate McCann and Robert Murat attended the same family wedding as youngsters. Mmm...

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Post by sallypelt on 22.07.14 20:53

It's a bit of a coincidence that Geraint Vincent did a project on sleep depravation. This was done in Glasgow....another coincidence? For the record, through my work, I have met Geraint Vincent on two occasions. One, where he told me I ran my office like the Gestapo  spin 

Here's the link:

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2011/nov/13/insomnia-sleep-deprivation-geraint-vincent

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Post by Hicks on 22.07.14 21:25

Is it just me or does anyone else think that Geraint Vincent looks like he could be a relative of Sally Vincent? To me they look fairly similar.

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Post by sallypelt on 22.07.14 21:49

@Hicks wrote:Is it just me or does anyone else think that Geraint Vincent looks like he could be a relative of Sally Vincent? To me they look fairly similar.

Despite Geraint Vincent having been a reporter for many years, there is no biography for him. Not even his age or where he was born. There is some information about the high school he attended, and that he plays a musical instrument

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Post by Guest on 22.07.14 22:03

@Hicks wrote:Is it just me or does anyone else think that Geraint Vincent looks like he could be a relative of Sally Vincent? To me they look fairly similar.

He looks like a lot of people. He has that generic person look.

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Post by missbeetle on 22.07.14 22:05

A few thoughts :

I believe Jack Healy (husband of Val) to be Brian Healy's elder brother :


(Evening Standard, 4th May, 2007)

I'm not sure Sally Vincent - owner of Burgau's Casa Grande, of this fabulous tree :


(clipped from Tomorrow Algarve, 1st June 2013)

and Sally Eveleigh, wife of Ralph Eveleigh (Jenny Murat's brother) are the same person...

Sally Eveleigh ran a boutique in Praia da Luz, I believe.

Sally Vincent looks to me to be less of a fashionista.

I could well be wrong, however!

Casa Grande Sally Vincent definitely knows Robert Murat, though - from childhood.

Just to confuse matters, there is another Sally Vincent in the Algarve.

She runs a rehab centre there.

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Post by petunia on 22.07.14 22:43

Who would phone a 70 year old great uncle in the dead of night to tell him  that his great niece has gone missing?he is her great uncle not her first uncle,so Imo unless they were a very very close family a great uncle wouldn't have a lot to do with a 3 year old great niece.

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Post by PeterMac on 23.07.14 8:22

@missbeetle wrote:
I'm not sure Sally Vincent - owner of Burgau's Casa Grande, of this fabulous tree :
and Sally Eveleigh, wife of Ralph Eveleigh (Jenny Murat's brother) are the same person...

Sally Eveleigh ran a boutique in Praia da Luz, I believe.
FOR THE RECORD

Sally VINCENT is NOT Sally Eveleigh

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Post by Hicks on 23.07.14 8:36

@PeterMac wrote:
@missbeetle wrote:
I'm not sure Sally Vincent - owner of Burgau's Casa Grande, of this fabulous tree :
and Sally Eveleigh, wife of Ralph Eveleigh (Jenny Murat's brother) are the same person...

Sally Eveleigh ran a boutique in Praia da Luz, I believe.
FOR THE RECORD

Sally VINCENT is NOT Sally Eveleigh
Thanks PeterMac.

Sally Vincent runs the Casa Grande Hotel and Restaurant. I have read-must try to find- that both Sally Eveleigh and Sally Vincent are good friends.
Sally Vincent then would know Robert Murat very well.

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Post by suzyjohnson on 23.07.14 8:38

@petunia wrote:Who would phone a 70 year old great uncle in the dead of night to tell him  that his great niece has gone missing?he is her great uncle not her first uncle,so Imo unless they were a very very close family a great uncle wouldn't have a lot to do with a 3 year old great niece.

You wouldn't think someone would wake him up after midnight when he was in a different country and not in a position to help would you? At that stage Madeleine might have been found at any moment by the searchers in PdL.  Maybe he was awake anyway and one of the family sent him a message via text or online?

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Post by nglfi on 23.07.14 10:31

If the man in the xmas video is Geraint Vincent and everything the article suggests is true, then we are looking at an incredibly serious crime involving many prominent people. If Mitchell was indeed in Praia da Luz prior to the 3rd, again there is something big going on here. Very big. And with that in mind, it's hardly surprising that Operation Grange is working in the manner it is. There's simply no way it could operate like a simple missing person/murder case, there is far far more at stake. If SY have any hope of cracking this whatsoever they can't display what they're working on in the public glare. Unfortunately it makes it seem like more of a cover up when you hear AR saying things like 'the parents are not suspects or even persons of interest', but if this crime is as entangled as some of the evidence suggests, I have faith that there's a reason for everything that is done in the way it is.

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Post by ChippyM on 23.07.14 12:08

@sallypelt wrote:
@Hicks wrote:Is it just me or does anyone else think that Geraint Vincent looks like he could be a relative of Sally Vincent? To me they look fairly similar.

Despite Geraint Vincent having been a reporter for many years, there is no biography for him. Not even his age or where he was born. There is some information about the high school he attended, and that he plays a musical instrument

  I don't see how not mentioning his age on wiki is suspicious in any way, it's not as if it's compulsory or that it's not easy to figure out from the time he was at school. He does have a linkd in profile and going off his name, Geraint and the fact that he started working for local bbc radio in Wales I would make an informed guess that he is Welsh.

     I am also going to point out that the man in the grainy still from the video could be anyone although yes, he is a bit similar looking. In my opinion there's no point building theories around something that can't be proved to a reasonable standard.

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Post by ChippyM on 23.07.14 12:16



"In this Bruno press page capture Mitchell was described as being in Luz, and also as having been one of the McCann's dining companions at the Paraiso beach restaurant at Maddie's last supper, on the evening of the 3rd of May 2007. This allegation has never been denied by Mitchell.  "

 I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before. The fact that 'Gerry McCann' and 'Clarence Mitchell '  are mentioned under the heading 'Keywords' is not proof that Clarence Mitchell was with Gerry McCann.

It's a list of keywords that the page has been tagged with, NOT a description of the photo!

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Post by Daryl Dixon on 24.07.14 12:43

Apart form these families the region has only one other major employer based in the village, the Royal British Legion at their large hotel complex, 'Tempomar' or in English, 'Templars on sea'.

Seriously? Templars on Sea?

Rubbish.

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Post by HelenMeg on 24.07.14 12:48

@nglfi wrote:If the man in the xmas video is Geraint Vincent and everything the article suggests is true, then we are looking at an incredibly serious crime involving many prominent people. If Mitchell was indeed in Praia da Luz prior to the 3rd, again there is something big going on here. Very big. And with that in mind, it's hardly surprising that Operation Grange is working in the manner it is. There's simply no way it could operate like a simple missing person/murder case, there is far far more at stake. If SY have any hope of cracking this whatsoever they can't display what they're working on in the public glare. Unfortunately it makes it seem like more of a cover up when you hear AR saying things like 'the parents are not suspects or even persons of interest', but if this crime is as entangled as some of the evidence suggests, I have faith that there's a reason for everything that is done in the way it is.
I think that is exactly what we are looking at - 'an incredibly serious crime involving many prominent people'.
It clearly explains the initial political interference, the vast resources, the review, the absurdities. Kate and Gerry are at the bottom of the tree.

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Post by sallypelt on 24.07.14 13:19

@ChippyM wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:
@Hicks wrote:Is it just me or does anyone else think that Geraint Vincent looks like he could be a relative of Sally Vincent? To me they look fairly similar.

Despite Geraint Vincent having been a reporter for many years, there is no biography for him. Not even his age or where he was born. There is some information about the high school he attended, and that he plays a musical instrument

  I don't see how not mentioning his age on wiki is suspicious in any way, it's not as if it's compulsory or that it's not easy to figure out from the time he was at school. He does have a linkd in profile and going off his name, Geraint and the fact that he started working for local bbc radio in Wales I would make an informed guess that he is Welsh.

     I am also going to point out that the man in the grainy still from the video could be anyone although yes, he is a bit similar looking. In my opinion there's no point building theories around something that can't be proved to a reasonable standard.

Chippy, where did I mention that anything is "suspicious". I was merely stating a fact. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, I have had a few contacts with Geriant Vincent, and as for the Christmas photograph, I agree, that it could be anyone. I am not convinced that it is Geraint Vincent. It's just the one photograph, and there's nothing else to cross-reference it with. Without the means of cross-referencing, ANY information is as useful as a chocolate teapot.

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Post by sallypelt on 24.07.14 13:26

Just for the record, Geraint Vincent worked on the Soham murders.

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Post by Hicks on 24.07.14 13:37

@sallypelt wrote:
@ChippyM wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:
@Hicks wrote:Is it just me or does anyone else think that Geraint Vincent looks like he could be a relative of Sally Vincent? To me they look fairly similar.

Despite Geraint Vincent having been a reporter for many years, there is no biography for him. Not even his age or where he was born. There is some information about the high school he attended, and that he plays a musical instrument

  I don't see how not mentioning his age on wiki is suspicious in any way, it's not as if it's compulsory or that it's not easy to figure out from the time he was at school. He does have a linkd in profile and going off his name, Geraint and the fact that he started working for local bbc radio in Wales I would make an informed guess that he is Welsh.

     I am also going to point out that the man in the grainy still from the video could be anyone although yes, he is a bit similar looking. In my opinion there's no point building theories around something that can't be proved to a reasonable standard.

Chippy, where did I mention that anything is "suspicious". I was merely stating a fact. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, I have had a few contacts with Geriant Vincent, and as for the Christmas photograph, I agree, that it could be anyone. I am not convinced that it is Geraint Vincent. It's just the one photograph, and there's nothing else to cross-reference it with. Without the means of cross-referencing, ANY information is as useful as a chocolate teapot.
I disagree sallypelt. I have not stated that Geraint Vincent IS the man in the Christmas video. I thought the idea of this forum was to debate with what information is available. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had the luxury of always posting factual material, the mystery then could perhaps be solved.

The purpose of my post was to throw it out into the wider audience to see if any one else had info that would back up this claim.

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Post by sallypelt on 24.07.14 13:48

@Hicks wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:
@ChippyM wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:
@Hicks wrote:Is it just me or does anyone else think that Geraint Vincent looks like he could be a relative of Sally Vincent? To me they look fairly similar.

Despite Geraint Vincent having been a reporter for many years, there is no biography for him. Not even his age or where he was born. There is some information about the high school he attended, and that he plays a musical instrument

  I don't see how not mentioning his age on wiki is suspicious in any way, it's not as if it's compulsory or that it's not easy to figure out from the time he was at school. He does have a linkd in profile and going off his name, Geraint and the fact that he started working for local bbc radio in Wales I would make an informed guess that he is Welsh.

     I am also going to point out that the man in the grainy still from the video could be anyone although yes, he is a bit similar looking. In my opinion there's no point building theories around something that can't be proved to a reasonable standard.

Chippy, where did I mention that anything is "suspicious". I was merely stating a fact. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, I have had a few contacts with Geriant Vincent, and as for the Christmas photograph, I agree, that it could be anyone. I am not convinced that it is Geraint Vincent. It's just the one photograph, and there's nothing else to cross-reference it with. Without the means of cross-referencing, ANY information is as useful as a chocolate teapot.
I disagree sallypelt. I have not stated that Geraint Vincent IS the man in the Christmas video. I thought the idea of this forum was to debate with what information is available. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had the luxury of always posting factual material, the mystery then could perhaps be solved.

The purpose of my post was to throw it out into the wider audience to see if any one else had info that would back up this claim.

What ARE you talking about? This is getting ridiculous. Where did I refer to anything that you said, Hicks? I never, for one moment, made reference you you. In fact, it's the first time I've seen your id. I remember seeing a photograph earlier, in this thread, and all I said, was, I don't think that it is Geraint Vincent. That's not to say it is not. As I've already made clear, unless there are other photographs to cross-reference it with, there is little value in it. That isn't a criticism of anything, anyone has said, so don't take it as such. If I am addressing any member, I will mention their id, as I did with Chippy.

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Post by Hicks on 24.07.14 14:07

@sallypelt wrote:
@Hicks wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:
@ChippyM wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:
@Hicks wrote:Is it just me or does anyone else think that Geraint Vincent looks like he could be a relative of Sally Vincent? To me they look fairly similar.

Despite Geraint Vincent having been a reporter for many years, there is no biography for him. Not even his age or where he was born. There is some information about the high school he attended, and that he plays a musical instrument

  I don't see how not mentioning his age on wiki is suspicious in any way, it's not as if it's compulsory or that it's not easy to figure out from the time he was at school. He does have a linkd in profile and going off his name, Geraint and the fact that he started working for local bbc radio in Wales I would make an informed guess that he is Welsh.

     I am also going to point out that the man in the grainy still from the video could be anyone although yes, he is a bit similar looking. In my opinion there's no point building theories around something that can't be proved to a reasonable standard.

Chippy, where did I mention that anything is "suspicious". I was merely stating a fact. As I've mentioned in an earlier post, I have had a few contacts with Geriant Vincent, and as for the Christmas photograph, I agree, that it could be anyone. I am not convinced that it is Geraint Vincent. It's just the one photograph, and there's nothing else to cross-reference it with. Without the means of cross-referencing, ANY information is as useful as a chocolate teapot.
I disagree sallypelt. I have not stated that Geraint Vincent IS the man in the Christmas video. I thought the idea of this forum was to debate with what information is available. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we had the luxury of always posting factual material, the mystery then could perhaps be solved.

The purpose of my post was to throw it out into the wider audience to see if any one else had info that would back up this claim.

What ARE you talking about? This is getting ridiculous. Where did I refer to anything that you said, Hicks?  I never, for one moment, made reference you you.  In fact, it's the first time I've seen your id. I remember seeing a photograph earlier, in this thread, and all I said, was, I don't think that it is Geraint Vincent. That's not to say it is not. As I've already made clear, unless there are other photographs to cross-reference it with, there is little value in it. That isn't a criticism of anything, anyone has said, so don't take it as such. If I am addressing any member, I will mention their id, as I did with Chippy.

Ok my mistake. I was the one who posted the link about Geraint Vincent. Sorry, the bit I disagreed with you about was when you said 'without the means of cross- referencing, ANY information is about as useful as a chocolate teapot'. 
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Post by Naz_Nomad on 24.07.14 14:14

@Daryl Dixon wrote:Apart form these families the region has only one other major employer based in the village, the Royal British Legion at their large hotel complex, 'Tempomar' or in English, 'Templars on sea'.

Seriously? Templars on Sea?

Rubbish.

With my limited Portuguese, I'm guessing Tempomar translates as something like "Seabreeze", "Seawind", or something sea and weather related.

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Post by ultimaThule on 24.07.14 14:45

'Mar' is 'sea' and the Portuguese, Spanish, and Italian word tempo is most commonly used to mean 'time' in English.

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