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Post by jeanmonroe on 23.01.14 13:06

http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/kingston/10957893.Betting_cheat_accused_who__stitched_device_in_shorts__is_son_of_senior_Met_detective/

New Malden gambling ring accused's father is senior Madeleine McCann detective

The father of the man at the centre of an alleged Australian Open betting scam is a senior Metropolitan Police murder detective investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Detective Inspector Tim Dobson, whose son Daniel, 22, has been charged with illegal gambling by sending information to a betting ring through a device stitched into his shorts, is a detective inspector of the Met’s Homicide Command.

DI Dobson is a member of the force’s ‘Gold Group’ dealing with the cold case review of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
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Nothing to do with the Dad, i stress, but 'mud sticks'

Interesting, or not, the Dad is a detective inspector of the Met's HOMICIDE Command

Interesting, or not, the Dad is a senior Metropolitan Police murder detective investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Are SY 'investigating a murder' rather than an 'abduction'?

ETA: We all remember GM in Lisbon 23rd September 2009 saying ''There is No evidence to implicate us in her DEATH'

http://paulorebelononeglect.blogspot.co.uk/2011/06/gerry-mccanns-confession-there-is-no.html

Have the Met or PJ now 'found' SOME evidence of death?

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Post by russiandoll on 23.01.14 13:18

in full...is this a smear I am reading ?  Oh dear. Such unfortunate wording as you say , JM.   A murder detective.

 Whatever they are investigating, it is not an abduction as we generally understand the word, but strictly in accordance with the Latin  TAKEN AWAY.

 When, how , where from and where to, by whom, I think the Met have a good idea.

 CPS don't travel abroad unless it involves UK citizens.

      
New Malden man accused of 'stitching device in shorts' as part of international gambling ring is son of Met detective
10:14am Thursday 23rd January 2014 in Kingston By Ross Logan, Chief Reporter
New Malden gambling ring accused's father is senior Madeleine McCann detective
The father of the man at the centre of an alleged Australian Open betting scam is a senior Metropolitan Police murder detective investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.
Detective Inspector Tim Dobson, whose son Daniel, 22, has been charged with illegal gambling by sending information to a betting ring through a device stitched into his shorts, is a detective inspector of the Met’s Homicide Command.
DI Dobson is a member of the force’s ‘Gold Group’ dealing with the cold case review of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.

Daniel Dobson is in Melbourne accused of helping gambling associates beat the time lag on TV images of the Australian Open.
He is accused of 'courtsiding' - taking advantage of delayed television coverage by transmitting live scores to a gambling syndicate in order to beat live betting odds.
He appeared last night in Australia alleged to have been one of six men part of a gambling ring.
The former Richard Challoner student currently works for a company called Sporting Data, which has fiercely defended its employee of any wrongdoing.

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Post by Guest on 23.01.14 13:20

@jeanmonroe wrote:http://www.surreycomet.co.uk/news/kingston/10957893.Betting_cheat_accused_who__stitched_device_in_shorts__is_son_of_senior_Met_detective/

New Malden gambling ring accused's father is senior Madeleine McCann detective

The father of the man at the centre of an alleged Australian Open betting scam is a senior Metropolitan Police murder detective investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Detective Inspector Tim Dobson, whose son Daniel, 22, has been charged with illegal gambling by sending information to a betting ring through a device stitched into his shorts, is a detective inspector of the Met’s Homicide Command.

DI Dobson is a member of the force’s ‘Gold Group’ dealing with the cold case review of Madeleine McCann’s disappearance.
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Nothing to do with the Dad, i stress, but 'mud sticks'

Interesting, or not, the Dad is a detective inspector of the Met's HOMICIDE Command

Interesting, or not, the Dad is a senior Metropolitan Police murder detective investigating the disappearance of Madeleine McCann.

Are SY 'investigating a murder' rather than an 'abduction'?

So, first T.M. go after GA and almost kill him off;
and now they start on AR/SY?!

SY must be closing in then!

Andy Redwood, are you paying heed to what's going on at this Forum at all?

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Post by russiandoll on 23.01.14 13:23

Portia, they are nicely trapped. Nearing checkmate imo.

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Post by Guest on 23.01.14 13:30

@russiandoll wrote:Portia, they are nicely trapped. Nearing checkmate imo.

Quite!

I've often wondered why they didn't up sticks and move to -say- Canada or Australia;
but maybe some passports have been revoked and they're now able only to travel the EU.

This case, once it gets to any court of justice is so immense, in every sense of the word, that it's small wonder AR/SY are handling it with kid gloves and a full media shut-down, which in itself is a major achievement. Had you noticed not a single member of the present AR/SY team has gone to the MBM? That alone is confidence inspiring!

(! put there on purpose)

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Post by jeanmonroe on 23.01.14 13:38

Also at that 'press conference' in Lisbon 23rd September 2009 we heard, straight from the horses mouth, KM say 'whether the case is re-opened, or NOT, it dosen't matter'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1zBf_IsaAE

Now, forgive me for being 'odd' but, what mother on this Earth would NOT want the case into her 'missing' daughter re-opened?

It would certainly MATTER to me!

Of course, i would NOT want the case re-opened IF i could possibly be implicated in the 'mysterious disappearance' in the first place.


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Post by Tony Bennett on 23.01.14 13:46

I think I may be one of only two people on this forum who has actually met Detective Inspector Tim Dobson.

I did so on Goncalo Amaral Day 2011 - 3 October 2011 - at Belgravia Police Station, headquarters of Operation Grange.

Andy Redwood is a Detective Chief Inspector. Tim Dobson is just one rank below him - Detective Inspector. I have reason to believe that Tim Dobson is one of two DIs who act as deputies and chief assistants to Andy Redwood.

The first thing to say is that, whatever I have said about Operation Grange, I offer my sympathy to Tim Dobson at this time. His son is facing a fairly serious charge. The family will be going through difficult times. And of course, just like the McCanns, a person is innocent in the eyes of the law until proven guilty by a court. If his son is found guilty, it may just be the jolt he needs in order to change course and begin build a worthwhile career.

I sent two dossiers on the McCann case to Operation Grange, the first in August 2010, the second was hand-delivered to Operation Grange on 3 October 2010. Another member of The Madeleine Foundation accompanied me.

I cannot say what was in those dossiers for legal reasons.

I can't reproduce all the e-mail exchanges I have had with Tim Dobson either, but I can reproduce these two. The 'witness' we were discussing was Gary Hagland, the expert in money laundering who was employed by Brian Kennedy and the McCann Team from September 2007 to March or April 2008. Gary Hagland told me that he had offered to give evidence to Operation Grange and had already spoken to DCI Redwood.

The words in blue bold below prove, at least, that my information is very firmly on the record - should there ever be a review by an independent body like HM Inspector of Constabulary, the Independent Police Complaints Commission, or even a public enquiry into the actions of Operation Grange detectves. My information will have been recorded and assessed, on a policy folder, and in accordance with police manuals and, of course, the law. One day someone may form a judgment as to whether the information I supplied has been correctly used by Grange detectives.

Finally, yes, the division in which Tim Dobson and Andy Redwood work is the Homicide and Serious Crime Command Division - but of course the official remit of Operation Grange is 'to investigate the abduction as if it had occurred in this country':


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From: Tim.R.Dobson@met.police.uk
Subject: Op Grange receipt of documents
To: ajsbennett@btinternet.com
Cc: Tim.R.Dobson@met.police.uk

Date: Tuesday, 4 October, 2011, 14:53

Dear Mr Bennett
This is to confirm receipt of the material you delivered to me at  Belgravia on 3rd October 2011. I can confirm that it will be added to the documents you have previously supplied by post and entered into the review process accordingly.

Secondly I understand from your most recent correspondence to DCI Redwood that you have again referred to an alleged source of your material from within the Private Investigators. Whilst I am not specifically asking for their details if you still believe it is important please feel free to email them to me by return.  I do not consider this requires a meeting.
Regards

Tim Dobson

DI MIT5 
Homicide and Serious Crime Command
Room 3.30
Belgravia Police Station
202-206 Buckingham Palace Rd
London SW1W 9SX
Mob [withheld by TB]
Tel - 020 7321 9252
Fax - 020 7321 9254
Pager [withheld by TB]
E-mail - tim.dobson@met.police.uk

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From: "Tim.R.Dobson@met.police.uk"
To: ajsbennett@btinternet.com

Sent: Friday, 14 October 2011, 13:18


Subject: RE: Op Grange receipt of documents

Mr Bennett
In response to your last email. Apologies for the delay I was out of the office all this week.

Mr Redwood's report at the conclusion of the Investigative Review into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will go  to Chief Superintendent Campbell, he in turn reports to Commander Simon Foy. I think you may be already aware of this through your FOI request.
We are the single point of contact in the UK for all  information in this case.  Again I believe this has already been made clear to you. It is a Portuguese investigation and it is not in my remit to release information concerning their jurisdiction.

As per my previous e-mail it is a matter for your self if you wish to pass on your informants details. I do not intend to enter into any negotiations over this matter. 
Thankyou

Tim Dobson
DI MIT5 
Homicide and Serious Crime Command
Room 3.30
Belgravia Police Station
202-206 Buckingham Palace Rd
London SW1W 9SX
Mob [withheld by TB] 
Tel - 020 7321 9252
Fax - 020 7321 9254
Pager[withheld by TB]
E-mail - tim.dobson@met.police.uk

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Post by mysterion on 23.01.14 13:49

Didn`t she just mean that she thought the Portuguese police to be incompetent so it wouldn`t matter whether they did or not, nothing would be found.

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Post by tasprin on 23.01.14 13:53


New York Times
Prosecutors initially asked for a bond as high as $500,000 Australian dollars, or roughly $440,000, but agreed to the lesser amount after the lawyer, Galbally, called the demand “a complete somersault” from earlier offers to allow Dobson to plead guilty to a minor offense that involves no criminal record.
Then, in a surprise statement, the lawyer told the magistrate, Gerard Lethbridge, that Dobson’s father, Tim Dobson, was a London police detective inspector in the homicide and serious crimes division. With father and son sitting behind him, Galbally said the elder Dobson was “not likely to breach the law.” http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/24/world/asia/man-released-in-australian-open-betting-related-case.html


But the media already knew (since January 2012)  DI Tim Dobson was involved in the McCann case. He is named on this Met reply to a FOI re Operation Grange: http://www.met.police.uk/foi/pdfs/disclosure_2012/jan_2012/2011120000848.pdf

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Post by jeanmonroe on 23.01.14 14:01

@mysterion wrote:Didn`t she just mean that she thought the Portuguese police to be incompetent so it wouldn`t matter whether they did or not, nothing would be found.

As Hobs will tell you NEVER, EVER, try to interpet what one thinks somebody 'meant to say' and stick rigidly to what somebody DID say.

And KM, the distraught mother of the 'missing' child, DID say that!
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TB: "Mr Redwood reports will go to Chief Superintendent Campbell, he in turn reports to Commander Simon Foy."
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BOTH of whom, CS Campbell and Commander Foy, have since, 'left the building'!

Anyone know who AR 'reports' to now?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 23.01.14 14:14

Belgravia Police Station, 3 October 2011, when dossiers were handed to Operation Grange:



The dossier:


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Post by Tony Bennett on 23.01.14 14:26

QUOTE

Dobson was arrested last week using a device hidden in his clothing, the police said. They accused him of transmitting scores from a first-round men’s match at the Australian Open.

A court document released Thursday charged Dobson with “conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome.”

But his defense lawyer, David Galbally, said his client was not trying to affect the outcome of the match. Dobson’s company, Sporting Data, insisted in a statement that it was legally gathering data by which a complex mathematical formula would be used to predict the victor for its betting clients.

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I expect his 'device' is being examined by Australian police I.T. experts right now, to see what this alleged 'complex mathematical formula' might be.

At least the Met's reputation in Australia seems to be untarnished.

"Your father's in the Met? OK, bail, no problem". Having a father in the Met is clearly a watertight guarantee that he will appear in court whenever asked to do so.

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Post by Cristobell on 23.01.14 14:30

This story seems to have appeared first in a local paper and it is now in one of the Nationals. I wonder where it has come from and why it is a headline? Cynic that I am, I tend to think the smearing of the SY detectives may have begun.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 23.01.14 14:33

@kitchen wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2544611/Briton-22-accused-tennis-betting-scam-Australian-Open-son-murder-detective-working-Madeleine-McCann-case.html

This will be a very difficult time for the Dobson Family but the headline in The Mail will not please TM

From the Mail article:

At a previous hearing, police prosecutor Josh Diemar told the court: 'He sent the agency the results before they could get them through the official channels.

'That data has been sent quicker than the official results can get posted, and had the ability to affect betting odds.'

The Met Police team reviewing Madeleine's disappearance believe she may have been abducted during a bungled burglary after conducting a review of the case.

Earlier this month, the Daily Mail exclusively revealed that Scotland Yard had identified three local burglars as 'prime suspects' after an extensive trawl through mobile phone records. They are now mounting pressure on their Portuguese counterparts to give them access to the suspects.


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Two interesting tales, one from the son, and one from the father's team of detectives at Grange:

1. (son)  "I was only transmitting some complex mathematical data for processing"

2. (father and Grange)  "It was probably three burglars who abducted Madeleine" 

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Post by jeanmonroe on 23.01.14 14:33

@kitchen wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2544611/Briton-22-accused-tennis-betting-scam-Australian-Open-son-murder-detective-working-Madeleine-McCann-case.html


This will be a very difficult time for the Dobson Family but the headline in The Mail will not please TM

I seriously now believe that the journos at the dailies READ this forum and then run around trying to play 'catch up'

13:09 pm 'US' ...........13:25pm 'THEM'!

The Mail report is 'timed' AFTER we started discussing the Policeman's son's 'case'

And then the Mail jump on it and somehow 'manage' to turn the 'betting scam' case report into another Madeleine 'report' complete with cutesy pictures that have absolutely NOTHING to do with the 'betting scam' story!

Half a page!

Anyway IF the journos are looking in on us they don't have to read the files, we tell them exactly what is in them, and they cannot at some future date ' claim' they didn't know 'stuff'!

I'm waiting for the Daily Mail 'WORLD EXCLUSIVE' headline.

"THEY DIDN'T FOOL US FOR A SINGLE MINUTE, THEY FOOLED US FOR SEVEN YEARS"!

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Post by sallypelt on 23.01.14 14:40

@Tony Bennett wrote:QUOTE

Dobson was arrested last week using a device hidden in his clothing, the police said. They accused him of transmitting scores from a first-round men’s match at the Australian Open.

A court document released Thursday charged Dobson with “conduct that corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome.”

But his defense lawyer, David Galbally, said his client was not trying to affect the outcome of the match. Dobson’s company, Sporting Data, insisted in a statement that it was legally gathering data by which a complex mathematical formula would be used to predict the victor for its betting clients.

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I expect his 'device' is being examined by Australian police I.T. experts right now, to see what this alleged 'complex mathematical formula' might be.

At least the Met's reputation in Australia seems to be untarnished.

"Your father's in the Met? OK, bail, no problem". Having a father in the Met is clearly a watertight guarantee that he will appear in court whenever asked to do so.


Tony, from what I have read of this case is, he was taking advantage of "time delay". I assume that most will know the finer details of this case, by now, but I will post it anyway:


The employers of a British man charged over 'courtsiding' at the Australian Open have categorically denied he broke the law after he appeared in court in Melbourne.


Daniel Dobson, whose UK address was not given during his appearance at Melbourne Magistrates Court on Thursday, was bailed to re-appear at court in a week's time following an initial hearing into allegations he had been "engaging in conduct that would corrupt a betting outcome" during the first grand slam on the year.


The 22-year-old was alleged by prosecutors to have used an electronic device stitched into his shorts to transmit scores secretly from courtside in order to help gambling associates beat delays in TV coverage, with two other British men also under investigation over the incident.


Sazz Nasimi, defending, said that his client was simply sending data to an international betting company with the idea that it would help them set odds as the matches progressed and fluctuated.


Dobson, who could face up to 10 years in jail if found guilty, was told to stay in an unnamed Melbourne hotel and keep away from the Australian Open. He was also ordered to surrender his passport.


There is no evidence linking Dobson or his employers, Surrey-based private sports betting company Sporting Data Limited, with the more serious offence of match-fixing, with his prosecution thought to be the first of its type worldwide.

Sporting Data Limited issued a statement on Thursday accusing Victorian Police of abusing a new state law by arresting the Briton.

It read: "Following a number of news articles relating to betting at the Australian Open in Melbourne, Sporting Data would like to respond to various allegations about corrupt behaviour.

"Sporting Data has never been and never will be involved in any illegal betting or any other illegal activity whatsoever and take a serious view of any allegations that they have.

"Sporting Data has never been and never will be involved in any type of match fixing. We encourage a more proactive stance against those who are involved in match fixing.

"However, recently, one of our employees has been accused of the very serious crime of match fixing at the Australian Open and we shall do everything we can to fight this grossly unfair accusation.

"We wish to make the following points and clarifications.

"1) Sporting Data is a company providing sporting data and services to certain individuals. Our clients use the information provided to place bets.

"2) We have employees on the courtside sending back information to London and that is then used to place bets on the outcome of the match. However, the odds and stake of the bets are all determined by the individuals in London and not by the employees on court. There are plenty of times that they will send info back and nothing will be done with it. In no way could they considered to be betting themselves.

"3) We use mathematical models to assess the probability of a match outcome. Bets will be placed when the odds generated by the model are significantly out of line with the market. A lot of professional syndicates use a similar methodology. Clearly, we need the most up to date information to generate accurate match probabilities. We cannot rely on TV pictures as they are out of date.

"4) Most of the bets placed are placed on betting exchanges - platforms devised specifically for punters to pit their information and simulation techniques against each other. It is the tightest and most competitive environment there is and we have invested a lot of time and effort to become competitive.

"5) We have no interest in corrupting the outcome of a match. We want both players in any given match to perform as well as they possibly can. Our models fail to work if the result is any way compromised and we would take all steps to avoid betting on any match we suspect to be corrupted.

"6) The new Victoria State Law (CRIMES AMENDMENT (INTEGRITY IN SPORTS) ACT 2013) is a very good law and we welcome it. We want matches to be as straight as possible. However, this law is being applied entirely inappropriately here. As we see it, it is up to the Victorian Police to demonstrate that this sending of information in some way 'corrupts or would corrupt a betting outcome of an event or event contingency'. In other words, that somehow, what we are doing affects the match in some way. There is no way we could conceivably be affecting how the match pans out.

"7) An interesting side note to the discussion is that what our employee on court was doing is exactly what umpires do. They send information from the court back to other organisations that use it to profit from betting. In this case, the organisations are bookmakers and it is done through the tennis authorities' agreement with Enetpulse. However, the principle is identical."

UK police said earlier this week that courtsiders could be arrested under the Gambling Act 2005, while Britain's major sports all said the practice was banned under their own ground regulations.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/tennis/australianopen/10576679/Australian-Open-2014-Employers-of-British-man-charged-over-courtsiding-deny-he-broke-the-law.html



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Post by Cristobell on 23.01.14 14:49

@Portia wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:Portia, they are nicely trapped. Nearing checkmate imo.

Quite!

I've often wondered why they didn't up sticks and move to -say- Canada or Australia;
but maybe some passports have been revoked and they're now able only to travel the EU.

This case, once it gets to any court of justice is so immense, in every sense of the word, that it's small wonder AR/SY are handling it with kid gloves and a full media shut-down, which in itself is a major achievement. Had you noticed not a single member of the present AR/SY team has gone to the MBM? That alone is confidence inspiring!

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Portia, I am not sure what this means?




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Post by jeanmonroe on 23.01.14 14:55

....that Scotland Yard had identified three local burglars as 'prime suspects' after an extensive trawl through mobile phone records. They are now mounting pressure on their Portuguese counterparts to give them access to the suspects."
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That will be the three burglars who are still sitting around their apartment, despite reading the papers telling them for months they are about to get arrested, seven years later, waiting for the knock from the SY 'elites', busy making numerous red hot mobile phone calls to local Cash Shops negotiating the latest price for an 'abducted' child they procurred from their latest bungled burglary.

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Post by Guest on 23.01.14 15:26

I honestly have absolutely no idea what crime this guy is supposed to have committed.

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Post by Guest on 23.01.14 15:34

@Cristobell wrote:
@Portia wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:Portia, they are nicely trapped. Nearing checkmate imo.

Quite!

I've often wondered why they didn't up sticks and move to -say- Canada or Australia;
but maybe some passports have been revoked and they're now able only to travel the EU.

This case, once it gets to any court of justice is so immense, in every sense of the word, that it's small wonder AR/SY are handling it with kid gloves and a full media shut-down, which in itself is a major achievement. Had you noticed not a single member of the present AR/SY team has gone to the MBM? That alone is confidence inspiring!

(! put there on purpose)




Portia, I am not sure what this means?




Mainstream British Media, I thought it was abbreviated like this. AKA the Press

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Post by Cristobell on 23.01.14 15:45

@Portia wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:
@Portia wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:Portia, they are nicely trapped. Nearing checkmate imo.

Quite!

I've often wondered why they didn't up sticks and move to -say- Canada or Australia;
but maybe some passports have been revoked and they're now able only to travel the EU.

This case, once it gets to any court of justice is so immense, in every sense of the word, that it's small wonder AR/SY are handling it with kid gloves and a full media shut-down, which in itself is a major achievement. Had you noticed not a single member of the present AR/SY team has gone to the MBM? That alone is confidence inspiring!

(! put there on purpose)


Thank you Portia.




Portia, I am not sure what this means?




Mainstream British Media, I thought it was abbreviated like this. AKA the Press

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Re: Madeleine cop son 'nicked'

Post by Woofer on 23.01.14 15:49

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From: "Tim.R.Dobson@met.police.uk"
Sent: Friday, 14 October 2011, 13:18

Subject: RE: Op Grange receipt of documents

Mr Bennett
In response to your last email. Apologies for the delay I was out of the office all this week.

Mr Redwood's report at the conclusion of the Investigative Review into the disappearance of Madeleine McCann will go  to Chief Superintendent Campbell, he in turn reports to Commander Simon Foy. I think you may be already aware of this through your FOI request.
We are the single point of contact in the UK for all  information in this case.  Again I believe this has already been made clear to you. It is a Portuguese investigation and it is not in my remit to release information concerning their jurisdiction.

As per my previous e-mail it is a matter for your self if you wish to pass on your informants details. I do not intend to enter into any negotiations over this matter. 
Thankyou

Tim Dobson    END QUOTE



We are the single point of contact in the UK for all  information in this case. - Oh really, that`s not what the McCanns say.

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Re: Madeleine cop son 'nicked'

Post by jeanmonroe on 23.01.14 15:50

MBM =Mainstream British Media
MSM= Main Stream Media

However, Madeleine Beth McCann is also sometimes referred to as MBM.

But not by me!

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Re: Madeleine cop son 'nicked'

Post by Lance De Boils on 23.01.14 15:53

Forgive me for having only read the OP. Just dashing out for a few mins.

But just want to quickly say that after yesterday reading about the McCanns apparently disputing Redwood's stance re Tannerman and then reading this today, my immediate thought is...

... is this the start of an attempt to discredit Grange?

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