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GORDON ANGLESEA, retired Police Chief Superintendent, arrested in connection with North Wales child abuse scandal in the 1970s and 1989s

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Post by Tony Bennett on 20.01.14 0:05

The mainstream media are not reporting this:

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GORDON ANGLESEA ARRESTED

RETIRED NORTH Wales Police superintendent Gordon Anglesea has been arrested on suspicion of historic physical and sexual assaults against children.

Anglesea was detained at his Colwyn Bay home in December by officers of the National Crime Agency.

He was the 18th person to be arrested as part of Operation Pallial, based at North Wales Police headquarters.

ON 12 DECEMBER officers from the National Crime Agency knocked on the door of a house in a quiet suburban street in Old Colwyn on the North Wales coast.

Inside the property they arrested a 76-year-old man and later took him to a police station in Cheshire.

The detectives were part of the Agency’s Operation Pallial team.

They questioned the arrested man about allegations of child abuse dating back to the 1970s and 1980s.


Seven men have alleged that they were sexually or physically abused by the retired police officer in the period 1975 to 1983 when they were between 8 and 16 years of age.

The following day the National Crime Agency, which is in charge of Operation Pallial, said the pensioner had been released on police bail until mid-April.

The Agency would not reveal his identity.

Rebecca Television understands it is Gordon Anglesea.

Between 1975 to 1983 he was a North Wales Police Inspector based in Wrexham.

He served as a policeman for more than 34 years and reached the rank of Superintendent by the time he retired in 1991.

Anglesea is a Rotarian and a Freemason.

Shortly after his arrest last December, he informed his local Rhos on Sea Rotary Club that he had been detained.

Six days after the arrest, on December 20, Rebecca Television rang John Roberts, secretary of the Rhos club.

We told him we were planning to name Anglesea.

Roberts replied that Anglesea had not resigned.

Roberts said the retired police officer had applied for leave of absence and that the request would be considered at the club’s January meeting.

At that meeting, which took place on January 7, Anglesea was given leave of absence until April.

He is a long-standing Rotarian, one of 51,000 members in Britain and Ireland.

He has been President of the Rhos on Sea club on three occasions — 1989-90, 1990-91 and 2007-8.

In 2010 he was the club official in charge of “Youth Service”. Anglesea is also a Freemason of more than 30 years standing.

There are 250,000 masons in England and Wales — outnumbering Rotarians 5 to 1.

In 1976 Anglesea joined a masonic lodge in Colwyn Bay.

In 1982 he became a member of Wrexham’s Berwyn lodge.

He left in 1984 to join a new Wrexham lodge called Pegasus becoming its Master in 1990.

The secretary of the North Wales Province of Freemasonry, Peter Sorahan, said:

“In view of the fact that Operation Pallial is an ongoing investigation, it would be inappropriate for me to comment.”


“However”, he added, “I can assure you that if requested by the Police to do so, the Province of North Wales will provide full assistance with their inquiries.”

Masonic HQ, the United Grand Lodge of England based in London, also confirmed it would assist the police if asked.

On January 8 Rebecca Television wrote to Gordon Anglesea informing him that the website intended to reveal that he was the man arrested on December 12.

We asked for a comment.

Royal Mail confirmed delivery of the letter.

There was no reply.

The present accusations are not the first he has faced.

The background is laid out in the article The Trials Of Gordon Anglesea.

In 1994 a libel jury found journalists had falsely accused him of abusing children at the Bryn Estyn children’s home in Wrexham.

Private Eye, The Observer, Independent on Sunday and the broadcaster HTV paid him combined damages of £375,000 with their legal bills running into several million pounds.


These and other allegations were also considered by the North Wales Child Abuse Tribunal of 1996-2000.

In its 2000 report Lost in Care, the Tribunal found no evidence that the retired police officer had abused children.


Operation Pallial can be contacted on 0800 118 1199 begin_of_the_skype_highlighting 0800 118 1199 end_of_the_skype_highlighting or by email at operationpallial@nca.x.gsi.gov.uk.


http://paddyfrench1.wordpress.com/20...rdon-anglesea/

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Re: GORDON ANGLESEA, retired Police Chief Superintendent, arrested in connection with North Wales child abuse scandal in the 1970s and 1989s

Post by ultimaThule on 20.01.14 1:47

The phrase 'rotten to the core' comes to mind and is applicable to predatory paedophiles and the institutions which harbour and protect them.

If tried and found guilty, I hope this man will die in prison after repaying every wrongfully awarded penny he received and that all who served on the NW Child Abuse Tribunal 1999-2000 are barred from sitting on tribunals and participating in any other committee or setting where they may be required to pass judgement on others and that, where applicable, they are barred from working with children for the remainder of their natural lives.

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Post by PeterMac on 20.01.14 7:56

@ultimaThule wrote:The phrase 'rotten to the core' comes to mind and is applicable to predatory paedophiles and the institutions which harbour and protect them.

If tried and found guilty, I hope this man will die in prison after repaying every wrongfully awarded penny he received and that all who served on the NW Child Abuse Tribunal 1999-2000 are barred from sitting on tribunals and participating in any other committee or setting where they may be required to pass judgement on others and that, where applicable, they are barred from working with children for the remainder of their natural lives.
I am sure Private Eye will be taking a keen interest.

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Post by Angelique on 20.01.14 20:46

I am speechless, other than to say I second UT's comment wholeheartedly.

It seems to be spread very thick and will take several attempts and a shovel to shift even one layer.

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Post by ultimaThule on 20.01.14 20:57

It's going to take considerably more than diverting the course of two rivers to clean out the filth that lurks in the UK's institutional equivalent of the Augean stables, Angelique.  

In the meantime, children at risk will continue to become even more at risk simply because they have entered the system which was designed to protect them.  

Jeez, I could weep - but what good would that do?  And what can we, collectively or individually, do to stop this truly shocking and disgraceful state of affairs?

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Post by Angelique on 20.01.14 23:38

ultimaThule

Yes maybe we need the return of The Great Flood - as you say what can we do ?

I don't think the present investigation will dig deep enough whatever the size of the shovel. The only thing we can hope for is " the domino effect". The small fish ratting on a bigger one and so on up the chain. We, down here, are too small to make any waves other than between ourselves.

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Post by aiyoyo on 20.01.14 23:58

I'm surprised neither The Observer nor the Sunday Independent reported this.
You'd think they want their money back or at least to exact their pound of flesh ?

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Post by ultimaThule on 21.01.14 10:50

Revenge is a dish best eaten cold.  I suspect various interested parties are savouring this dish, along with another that's cooling nicely, before devouring it, aiyoyo.   yes

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Post by plebgate on 21.01.14 11:37

Truly SHOCKING.    

Can't add anything further as UT and Angelique have summed it up for me.

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Post by ultimaThule on 22.01.14 17:15

Nothing in today's Eye, which is well worth £1.50 for p.23 'Let's Parlez Franglais!' and 'The Secret Diary of Sir John Major KG aged 77&threequarters'  laughat 

However, the Mirror is running with the story of Anglesea's arrest: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/north-wales-care-home-abuse-3048517
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Post by Tony Bennett on 22.01.14 19:03

@ultimaThule wrote:Nothing in today's Eye, which is well worth £1.50 for p.23 'Let's Parlez Franglais!' and 'The Secret Diary of Sir John Major KG aged 77&threequarters'  laughat 

However, the Mirror is running with the story of Anglesea's arrest: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/north-wales-care-home-abuse-3048517

Thank you, uT.

It's always a significant moment when the mainstream media catch up with us here on the internet - who are usually well ahead of the game!

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Post by ultimaThule on 22.01.14 19:09

You're welcome, Tony.   Hopefully justice will be seen to be done, albeit far too late for those children whose adult lives are also blighted by the time they spent in the 'care and protection' of yet another local authority indifferent to their welfare and wellbeing both then and now.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 22.01.14 19:19

@ultimaThule wrote:You're welcome, Tony.   Hopefully justice will be seen to be done, albeit far too late for those children whose adult lives are also blighted by the time they spent in the 'care and protection' of yet another local authority indifferent to their welfare and wellbeing both then and now.

Yes, and yet the Met Police turned out in force, armed with video cameras by the score, to see if a Spurs supporter uttered the word 'yid' during a football match, and the CPS and the Met are spending a small fortune prosecuting the three they found. Yet senior police officers covered up Savile, North Wales, Thomas Hamilton & Dunblane, Kincora Boys Home etc. etc. 

The police have become a law unto themselves.

And this may also apply to the Madeleine McCann case and Operation Grange.

They used to serve the public.

Now they carry out the orders of those in control.

It's a very bad omen for the future...

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Post by ultimaThule on 23.01.14 0:50

This article from 2011 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/8713343/Freemasons-in-the-police-leading-the-attack-on-David-Camerons-riot-response.html goes to the root cause of corruption in the police, judiciary, and many other once great British institutions including both Houses of Parliament.   

A google search of 'freemasons police' does not encourage optimism for the future.

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Post by PeterMac on 27.01.14 9:16

Not the right place for this, I know, but it has certain resonance.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2546474/Rennard-knows-Lib-Dem-secrets-Supporters-say-peer-expose-sex-scandals-expelled-party.html
Rennard 'knows Lib Dem secrets': Supporters say peer could expose sex scandals if he is expelled from the party
Liberal Democrat peer has denied allegations of sexual harassment
Sources say he could go 'nuclear' if he is not allowed to rejoin party
Friends feel Lord Rennard has been treated 'cruelly' and could retaliate
According to one source, he has a ‘little black book’ filled with many politician and activists’ darkest secrets
A spokesman for Lord Rennard declined to comment on the claims


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Post by tiny on 27.01.14 9:48

@PeterMac wrote:Not the right place for this, I know, but it has  certain resonance.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2546474/Rennard-knows-Lib-Dem-secrets-Supporters-say-peer-expose-sex-scandals-expelled-party.html
Rennard 'knows Lib Dem secrets': Supporters say peer could expose sex scandals if he is expelled from the party
Liberal Democrat peer has denied allegations of sexual harassment
Sources say he could go 'nuclear' if he is not allowed to rejoin party
Friends feel Lord Rennard has been treated 'cruelly' and could retaliate
According to one source, he has a ‘little black book’ filled with many politician and activists’ darkest secrets
A spokesman for Lord Rennard declined to comment on the claims


Sounds like blackmail

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Post by Guest on 27.01.14 9:57

@Tony Bennett wrote:
The secretary of the North Wales Province of Freemasonry, Peter Sorahan, said:

“In view of the fact that Operation Pallial is an ongoing investigation, it would be inappropriate for me to comment.”[/color][/b]

“However”, he added, “I can assure you that if requested by the Police to do so, the Province of North Wales will provide full assistance with their inquiries.”


I suppose they could always shout across the banqueting table.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.01.14 10:12


Thank you very much for placing this here, NFWTD.

The article quotes the relevant police regulations - which PeterMac has also recently quoted on another thread:

The Police Pension Scheme 1987 states that members may have part of their pension forfeited either permanently or temporarily by the police authority if they are convicted of “an offence of treason, one or more offences under the Official Secrets Acts for which [they] have been sentenced on the same occasion to at least 10 years’ imprisonment or an offence committed in connection with [their] police service which is certified by the Secretary of State either to have been gravely injurious to the interests of the state or to be liable to lead to a serious loss of confidence in the public service (e.g. conspiracy to pervert the course of justice)”.

The latest Local Government Pension Scheme Regulations, which would cover a position such as Williams’ role, states that any pension forfeiture would require an application to the Secretary of State following “an offence committed in connection with an employment in which the person convicted is a member and because of which the member left the employment”.


So it looks like the Coalition government is at last getting to grips with the scandal of seriously dishonest and criminal police officers keeping their full pension.

The scale of the crimes of this man and the other police officers must surely, though, fulfil the current criterion of 'conduct...liable to lead to a serious loss of confidence in the public service...'

And they are not even going to dock him a tiny part of his pension?

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Post by aiyoyo on 27.01.14 10:44

@Tony Bennett wrote:[
The latest Local Government Pension Scheme Regulations, which would cover a position such as Williams’ role, states that any pension forfeiture would require an application to the Secretary of State following “an offence committed in connection with an employment in which the person convicted is a member and because of which the member left the employment”.

And they are not even going to dock him a tiny part of his pension?

Probably right, since the rule makes it so bureaucratic even to attempt it.
Having to write to the State Secretary is a good indication docking pension is not encouraged.
It will involve having to put forth an argument, subject to the State Secretary's appreciation, probably involving also a back-forth argument with a No-win-No-Fee high calibre lawyer - all very complicating for an open-and-shut case when a Police member has been found to be guilty.

If a hefty fine and/or jail sentence is imposed, the guilty police member is already punished for the crime, then the docking of pension may not be considered necessary. Certainly that is going to be a viable argument, else it would mean being punished twice.

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