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Post by Guest on 18.01.14 11:09

Lord McAlpine, former UK Conservative Party deputy chairman has died, his family announces

More to follow.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-25792289

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Post by Guest on 18.01.14 11:11

Hmmmm..........I wonder if there will be some secrets coming out now that were kept under wraps before.

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Lord McAlpine has died in his home in Italy

Post by Guest on 18.01.14 11:11

Tory grandee Lord McAlpine dies in home in Italy



Lord McAlpine, the former UK Conservative Party deputy chairman has died, his family has announced.

The 71-year-old, who was an aide to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, died last night in Italy, his family said.

In a statement, they said: "It is with great sadness that the family of Lord McAlpine announce his peaceful death last night at his home in Italy."

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Post by PeterMac on 18.01.14 11:12

So now the truth can be told, Carter-Ruck !

From the Web archive of Wiki, which was whooshed some time ago.
Art and collecting

McAlpine has had a great interest in collecting a wide range of objects since his youth. A few of these are beads, books, furniture, police truncheons, dolls, textiles, ties, sculpture, [21][22], and especially artwork.[21] He was an early collector of painter Mark Rothko[1] He was very interested in Abstract expressionism and artists such as Morris Louis and Jackson Pollack.[21]. He also collected the work of Australian painter Sidney Nolan.[21] He has made collections of folk art from various continents. [21] He was also interested in modern sculpturists such as William Turnbull, Naum Gabo, nl:Michael Bolus, and nl:David Annesley,[21]
At one point he owned a gallery on Cork Street. [3]
In May 2003 the London Evening Standard reported that Lord McAlpine was the "well-known and anonymous collector" for whom Bloomsbury Book Auctions was selling a collection of 344 "fashion and eroticism" photographs, including "10 snaps of very young girls in very suggestive poses by Graham Ovenden".[23]
And this from current Wiki. Not yet whooshed !
Graham Stuart Ovenden[1][2] (born 11 February 1943[3]) is an English painter, fine art photographer and writer. His estranged wife is the artist Annie Ovenden. Their daughter, Emily, is a writer and is a singer with the Mediæval Bæbes.
Some of Ovenden's art has been investigated as possible child pornography by US and UK authorities on a number of occasions. In 2009 Ovenden was prosecuted in the UK on a charge of creating indecent images. A first jury was discharged and a second trial collapsed when the prosecution witnesses did not appear in court. Through these investigations, Ovenden's work received support from leading figures in the art world.
In April 2013, Ovenden was found guilty of six charges of indecency with a child and one charge of indecent assault against a child, charges relating to girls who had modelled for him. Following his conviction, the Tate gallery removed images of his work from its online gallery, and also removed access to his work in its galleries.[4] Ovenden was sentenced on June 4, 2013 to a year's imprisonment suspended for two years. When sentencing Ovenden Judge Graham Cottle told him he cloaked his sexual interest by claiming it was an artistic one. Cottle said a "stream" of young girls had arrived at Ovenden's home, Barley Splatt on Bodmin Moor in Cornwall, to be photographed. "The girls had no understanding at that time of the true purpose behind what you were doing, a purpose that was undoubtedly sexual." The judge went on to say that one of the indecency offences Ovenden was convicted of – asking a girl to touch him while they were in a bath together – could today be treated as inciting a child to engage in a sexual act, carrying a maximum jail sentence of 14 years.[5]
The suspended sentence was considered unduly lenient and on June 5, 2013 the Attorney General announced he had begun a review into whether the sentence imposed on artist Graham Ovenden was too lenient.[6]
On October 9, 2013, Ovenden was jailed for two years and three months by the Court of Appeal. Lord Chief Justice, Lord Thomas ruled the sentence should never have been suspended and noted that Ovenden had not shown a "shred of remorse."[7]

I bet Sally Bercow is happy now.

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Re: Lord McAlpine has died in his home in Italy

Post by Guest on 18.01.14 11:14

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Hmmmm..........I wonder if there will be some secrets coming out now that were kept under wraps before.


I'm sure they will!!

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Post by Lance De Boils on 18.01.14 13:48

Now he's gone, perhaps we'll hear a lot more about this man.

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.01.14 14:15

@PeterMac wrote:So now the truth can be told, Carter-Ruck !

From the Web archive of Wiki, which was whooshed some time ago.

I bet Sally Bercow is happy now.

I bet she wished it had happened sooner, then she wouldn't be unjustly fleeced out of pocket.

ETA: I didn't know Ovenden's suspended sentence was overturned. Justice for his victims finally!

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Post by aquila on 18.01.14 14:27

@Lance De Boils wrote:Now he's gone, perhaps we'll hear a lot more about this man.

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No doubt there are already posh herrumphs in the House of Lords and laws being introduced in the very near future that prevent anyone 'speaking ill of the dead'...well that's if you're a Lord...if you're a mere celebrity then you're fair game.

Can someone explain how you can be a criminal and still be a member of the House of Lords?

Thinking of Jeffrey Archer.

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Post by bristow on 18.01.14 14:32

Spivey has much to say on his new blog about McAlpine.

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Comparison of photos

Post by PeterMac on 18.01.14 15:12

One of these photos was taken by a man who served, or is serving time for making indecent images of children

The other wasn't.

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Post by Guest on 18.01.14 15:17

The one on the left isn't as disturbing as the other one either.

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Post by tigger on 18.01.14 15:50

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:The one on the left isn't as disturbing as the other one either.

I think the're both bad. Have you noticed that the left one shows a n.....le?

Btw I don't think AM was well off, why go and start a B&B in Puglia? Upmarket of course but Puglia is still very cheap.

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.01.14 15:57

Creepy !

Lots of children of that tender age of 3-5 or maybe even 6 year old cant report their ordeal; especially when they're too young to know they'd been sexually abused.
Children that age won't know what was done to them or were asked to do (being touched or asking them to touch him) was wrong.
The true figure of children that had been abused will never be known.
Unless every sexually abused child who are now adults can remember that far back and reports him, the true figure is anyone's guess.


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Post by Rasputin on 18.01.14 16:00

@PeterMac wrote:One of these photos was taken by a man who served, or is serving time for making indecent images of children

The other wasn't.

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That could almost be a copycat pose ...very unnervingly similar!

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Post by Lance De Boils on 18.01.14 17:14

@Rasputin wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:One of these photos was taken by a man who served, or is serving time for making indecent images of children

The other wasn't.

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That could almost be a copycat pose ...very unnervingly similar!

Indeed.
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Post by plebgate on 18.01.14 17:26

Boohoo NOT.

Well at least that's one less moneybags to worry about when people post on twitter I spose.

PeterM - those pictures -     sad

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Post by bobbin on 18.01.14 18:20

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Tory grandee Lord McAlpine dies at home in Italy

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Lord McAlpine, the former UK Conservative Party deputy chairman has died, his family has announced.
The 71-year-old, who was an aide to Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher, died last night in Italy, his family said.
Prime Minister David Cameron tweeted his thoughts were with his family, adding he was a "dedicated supporter of Margaret Thatcher and the Tory party".
As well as a politician, the peer was an art collector, property developer, author and fundraiser.
He was also part of the McAlpine construction dynasty.
Founded by his grandfather, Sir Robert, the firm is one of the biggest builders in the UK, responsible for the London 2012 Olympic stadium among many other projects.
Lord McAlpine was among Lady Thatcher's closest friends and advisers
He was made a director of the family firm at 21, five years after dropping out of top public school Stowe with three O-levels.
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In a colourful career, Lord McAlpine was at times a property developer, antiques expert, ornithologist, and bed and breakfast proprietor.
But his most significant role was as Margaret Thatcher's political soulmate.
Serving as the Conservative Party's treasurer and later deputy chairman, he was famed for his fundraising and his loyalty to Lady Thatcher.
When she was replaced as prime minister by John Major, Lord McAlpine turned on him, once calling him "distasteful".
In recent years, Lord McAlpine had largely retired from public life.
But he was thrust back into the public eye when he was wrongly implicated by the BBC's Newsnight programme in the sexual abuse of boys in a care home in Wales.
The BBC apologised but Lord McAlpine feared his reputation would never recover.
"There is a British proverb which is insidious and awful where people say 'there's no smoke without a fire'," he told The World At One in 2012.
The anger, he said, "gets into your soul".
Lord McAlpine then went on to make a fortune of his own as a property developer in Australia, before turning to politics in 1975, when he met Lady Thatcher.
He became one of her closest advisers and Conservative Party treasurer throughout her period in office, from 1979 to 1990.
She made him a life peer, Baron McAlpine of West Green in Hampshire, in 1984.
BBC News's political correspondent, Rob Watson, said: "Lord McAlpine was one of those Conservatives who believed in Margaret Thatcher right from the start - long before anyone inside or outside the party talked of Thatcherism.
"As a close political advisor and prolific Conservative party fundraiser, he was key to her success as a politician.
"A Eurosceptic, he briefly left the Conservative party in the 1990s but later returned."
In recent years, Lord McAlpine was wrongly implicated in a child abuse scandal, when the allegations were the subject of a BBC Newsnight investigation.
The programme aired allegations that a Thatcher-era politician was linked to boys that were sexually abused while in the care of a children's home in Wales in the 1970s and 1980s, though it did not name Lord McAlpine.
But several Twitter users were ordered to pay him damages after the High Court found they had tweeted libellous messages about the peer.
The BBC apologised unreservedly and settled his defamation claim for £185,000. The corporation's then director-general, George Entwistle, resigned in the wake of the allegations, after less than two months in the role.
'Towering figure'
Current Conservative chairman Grant Shapps said: "Lord McAlpine made a huge contribution to public life. He was a man of integrity who had a successful career in both politics and business.
"He was a towering figure during the Thatcher era who did much for the Conservative party and our country.
"My thoughts are with his friends and family."
Conservative MP for Maldon, John Whittingdale, who was Lady Thatcher's political secretary, said Lord McAlpine was a key contributor to her three election victories.
"Margaret Thatcher relied on him heavily, the Conservative Party in some senses was almost saved by the fact that he was able to go around and raise support for the party amongst his friends, so I think the party and indeed she owe him an immense debt," he said.
Tory former chairman and Cabinet minister Lord Parkinson, who worked closely with Lord McAlpine during the Thatcher era, said he was an "outstanding" treasurer.
"He was a most unusual, intriguing, interesting character with a fantastic range of interests," he added.
Former Conservative Party chairman, Lord Tebbit, told BBC News: "He was just a joy to be with because he always had something interesting to say. A man of enormously rich experiences of business, a very cultured man, he was very much interested in the arts, things of that kind, and also much travelled."
He added: "He was a confidant which is very important to a prime minister to have somebody of irreproachable integrity and great discretion that they can talk about anything and know that it would not go any further.
"Alastair would not talk even to me about things that were said between him and the prime minister."
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So, the above is the BBC's offering.
Is it normal to ask for info to be sent in. I must admit I NEVER look at the BBC as a source of info, BUT, it's very revealing nevertheless.
Apart from having Lord McAlpine as a most confidential companion, Margaret Thatcher also had another very close (dead) companion, Sir Jimmy Sovile.
I'm just wondering if I were a person (which I'm not), somewhere, who had any 'worrying' pictures, video or eyewitness accounts, would I, in sending them in to the BBC, be risking putting into the post, or the public domain, something that might be a risk, endanger myself or infringe any laws etc.  nah 



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Post by PeterMac on 18.01.14 19:30

@tigger wrote:
I think the're both bad. Have you noticed that the left one shows a n.....le?  
If you are offended by a nipple, do not go anywhere near the rest, many of which show full "Mc129s"

These are Photos, not paintings or drawings from memory or imagination.
And McAlpine collected them, sold them, and then sued people who mentioned it.

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Post by Guest on 18.01.14 19:34

@PeterMac wrote:
@tigger wrote:
I think the're both bad. Have you noticed that the left one shows a n.....le?  
If you are offended by a nipple, do not go anywhere near the rest, many of which show full "Mc129s"

These are Photos, not paintings or drawings from memory or imagination.
And McAlpine collected them, sold them, and then sued people who mentioned it.

Sued them successfully, you might have added, probably ruining them

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Post by Guest on 18.01.14 19:35

@PeterMac wrote:

I bet Sally Bercow is happy now.

Her only mistake was to beat around the bush.

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Post by bobbin on 18.01.14 19:58

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:

I bet Sally Bercow is happy now.

Her only mistake was to beat around the bush.

Nice picture of the late Lord, with the main gist of his 'The New Machiavelli' book.
Just worth remembering what his proclaimed Modus Operandae was. Nice sort of guy !!!
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lQLXTfgRgUw/UKoAjEI_WCI/AAAAAAAAIwI/1L3x3T8H63g/s320/Snapshot+2012-11-19+08-52-45.tiff

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Post by Lance De Boils on 18.01.14 20:16



From bobbin's link.

Anyone know where/when this quote came from?

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Post by bobbin on 18.01.14 20:32

@Lance De Boils wrote:

From bobbin's link.

Anyone know where/when this quote came from?
Clever Lance, how did you do that, get the picture onto the screen. I've tried many times in the past and not succeeded. Please tell me.
That quote is from Lord McAlpine himself, it's within his book and is part of the instruction / manual for people in business. The book is "the New Machiavelli" and that quote just so sums him up. Anyone who can think that and actually put it into a book that he has written and then publicise it, is not a nice person to be dealing with, nor honourable, at all.
Just as an aside. When you are looking at sociopaths, or people who make a thing of, or even openly advertise their 'cheating' mind, cover one of their eyes up with your thumb, and see what the face is saying, particularly note what effect the un-covered eye has on you.
Then cover the other eye. The two sides of the face can be quite shudderingly telling. Gerry McCann's eyes, and Kate's have a similar effect on me.
I don't know if there is anything to this at all, just observation.
Madeleine's blue eye make-up picture 'eyes' make my whole spine shiver.
I don't like that picture at all, and to see how similar it is to the one taken by Ovenden and owned by McAlpine is just too nasty for words.
Horrible thought, what connections there might be.

ETA I must look back at Tony's previous post of the two photos together to confirm if my statement above is correct. Editing whilst I still am able.

NEW ETA after looking back

Actually, with thanks to PeterMac, I found the referencing :-
PeterMac posted "These are Photos, not paintings or drawings from memory or imagination.
And McAlpine collected them, sold them, and then sued people who mentioned it."
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"One of these photos was taken by a man who served, or is serving time for making indecent images of children." (Ovenden)

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Post by aiyoyo on 18.01.14 20:42

@PeterMac wrote:
@tigger wrote:
I think the're both bad. Have you noticed that the left one shows a n.....le?  
If you are offended by a nipple, do not go anywhere near the rest, many of which show full "Mc129s"

These are Photos, not paintings or drawings from memory or imagination.
And McAlpine collected them, sold them, and then sued people who mentioned it.

Good Lord, I couldn't figure out tigger's incomplete word; I now know, only to be baffled by "Mc129s"?

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