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Post by MissesWillYa on 14.01.14 20:18

@bobby18 wrote:Good to get an insight within other countries from UK - unfathomable, isn't it?

I admit I struggle to stomach every media appearance, but when you see them on talk shows being introduced to rapturous appliance, I do wonder if I have entered the twilight zone. These people continually left their kids unattended on holiday and OPEN to child abduction (not of course that it occurred) - unbelievable.

Just last night, I was reading Yahoo's news article on the matter. I read the first 30-ish comments and not a single person appeared to be questioning the story. All I can think is that there must be a lot of people who have a "but there for the grace of God..." mindset about the whole situation. It makes me wonder just how many people would make the same choices with their own children. It's terrifying, honestly. I watch my kids like a hawk and it has never occurred to me to do otherwise.

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Post by bobby18 on 14.01.14 20:27

@MissesWillYa wrote:
@bobby18 wrote:Good to get an insight within other countries from UK - unfathomable, isn't it?

I admit I struggle to stomach every media appearance, but when you see them on talk shows being introduced to rapturous appliance, I do wonder if I have entered the twilight zone. These people continually left their kids unattended on holiday and OPEN to child abduction (not of course that it occurred) - unbelievable.

Just last night, I was reading Yahoo's news article on the matter. I read the first 30-ish comments and not a single person appeared to be questioning the story. All I can think is that there must be a lot of people who have a "but there for the grace of God..." mindset about the whole situation. It makes me wonder just how many people would make the same choices with their own children. It's terrifying, honestly. I watch my kids like a hawk and it has never occurred to me to do otherwise.

At the risk of being snobbish, I have been on holiday abroad and in the vicinity of people who have their kids in the pub at what I consider to be inappropriate hours of the night based on UK culture (kids are allowed in bars till around 8 where food is served).

But my opinion on this is solely that - an opinion. The kids are with them at all times and never looked exposed to danger in my experience. Compare that to what the McCann's readily accept they behaved like, THROUGHOUT their holiday?

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Post by MissesWillYa on 14.01.14 20:54

@bobby18 wrote:But my opinion on this is solely that - an opinion. The kids are with them at all times and never looked exposed to danger in my experience. Compare that to what the McCann's readily accept they behaved like, THROUGHOUT their holiday?

Yeah, I mean, far be it from me to dictate how other parents should do things. But this goes beyond, IMO.

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Post by Guest on 14.01.14 20:55

So according to this from Isa from CNN International 3 hours ago, Portugal still not received the ILOR..


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Portugal Attorney General's office tell me they have not yet received the formal letter from the MET regarding #mccann case



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Post by Guest on 14.01.14 21:12

And MET have whooshed it from their press page if I read correctly elsewhere ?


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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 14.01.14 21:13

Bellisa wrote:And MET have whooshed it from their press page if I read correctly elsewhere ?

It's still there, under Fri 10th Jan.

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Post by Ollie on 14.01.14 21:32

candyfloss wrote:So according to this from Isa from CNN International 3 hours ago, Portugal still not received the ILOR..


Isa Soares ‏@IsaCNN  · 3h  
Portugal Attorney General's office tell me they have not yet received the formal letter from the MET regarding #mccann case



Must of sent it 2nd class!

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Post by Rasputin on 14.01.14 21:42

Once again no urgency for the poor girl possibly in a hellish lair !

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Post by Guest on 14.01.14 21:44

thanks smoke and mirrors. Its certainly taking a long time to arrive.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 14.01.14 22:06

Bellisa wrote:thanks smoke and mirrors. Its certainly taking a long time to arrive.

What with the recession and everything, I don't think the Met have been feeding the carrier pigeons enough corn. I have an awful feeling the pigeon entrusted with this crucial document may have passed out somewhere over the ocean and plummeted to a watery demise. Shame.

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Post by Guest on 14.01.14 22:12

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
Bellisa wrote:thanks smoke and mirrors. Its certainly taking a long time to arrive.

What with the recession and everything, I don't think the Met have been feeding the carrier pigeons enough corn. I have an awful feeling the pigeon entrusted with this crucial document may have passed out somewhere over the ocean and plummeted to a watery demise. Shame.

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 14.01.14 22:18

candyfloss wrote:
@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
Bellisa wrote:thanks smoke and mirrors. Its certainly taking a long time to arrive.

What with the recession and everything, I don't think the Met have been feeding the carrier pigeons enough corn. I have an awful feeling the pigeon entrusted with this crucial document may have passed out somewhere over the ocean and plummeted to a watery demise. Shame.

 big grin   You're on form tonight  dance 
It's been a long day……this is the last hurrah before those zzzzz's finish me off  bashful

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Post by Guest on 14.01.14 22:52

haha i can't even think about a witty reply to that!

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Post by maebee on 14.01.14 23:12

From Keir Simmon's F.B. page:

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Keir Simmons shared a link.

I've reported on the Madeleine McCann case since the first few days she disappeared... and this does feel like a significant development...

Police to make arrests in Madeleine McCann case



What an idiot 

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Post by Hongkong Phooey on 14.01.14 23:26

@maebee wrote:From Keir Simmon's F.B. page:

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Keir Simmons shared a link.

I've reported on the Madeleine McCann case since the first few days she disappeared... and this does feel like a significant development...

Police to make arrests in Madeleine McCann case



What an idiot 
I'm amazed at how gullible people can be, what exactly could these burglars be arrested with as there is no evidence. Even by using the phone data it's not that accurate that they would be able to tell if somebody was in 5a or standing outside etc. it could well just be the suspects were in the vicinity, that proves nothing . They made a lot of calls supposedly again that in itself proves nothing, SY may very well want to speak to them, but arresting them is highly unlikely. And by the way instead of discreetly seeking out these individuals we'll run an 'advert' in the press. You would struggle to come up with a scenario stupider than this.

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Post by maebee on 14.01.14 23:37

@Hongkong Phooey wrote:
@maebee wrote:From Keir Simmon's F.B. page:

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Keir Simmons shared a link.

I've reported on the Madeleine McCann case since the first few days she disappeared... and this does feel like a significant development...

Police to make arrests in Madeleine McCann case



What an idiot 

I'm amazed at how gullible people can be, what exactly could these burglars be arrested with as there is no evidence. Even by using the phone data it's not that accurate that they would be able to tell if somebody was in 5a or standing outside etc. it could well just be the suspects were in the vicinity,  that proves nothing . They made a lot of calls supposedly again that in itself proves nothing, SY may very well want to speak to them, but arresting them is highly unlikely. And by the way instead of discreetly seeking out these individuals we'll run an 'advert' in the press. You would struggle to come up with a scenario stupider than this.



The general public's gullibility doesn't surprise me hk. It's the gullibility of Keir Simmons and his ilk that is truly shocking. As he says himself, he has been reporting on the case from Day One. He may have been reporting but he certainly hasn't been researching. 

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Post by jeanmonroe on 14.01.14 23:39

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
@Smokeandmirrors wrote:
Bellisa wrote:thanks smoke and mirrors. Its certainly taking a long time to arrive.

What with the recession and everything, I don't think the Met have been feeding the carrier pigeons enough corn. I have an awful feeling the pigeon entrusted with this crucial document may have passed out somewhere over the ocean and plummeted to a watery demise. Shame.

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All those zzzzz's won't be finishing you off,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,they are all in Portugal with the xxxxxxxxx's and yyyyyyyyy's busy burgling holiday apartments and taking children, as Mr Mitchell has told us!

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Post by Loving Mom on 15.01.14 0:31

I'm amazed at how gullible people can be, what exactly could these burglars be arrested with as there is no evidence. Even by using the phone data it's not that accurate that they would be able to tell if somebody was in 5a or standing outside etc. it could well just be the suspects were in the vicinity,  that proves nothing . They made a lot of calls supposedly again that in itself proves nothing, SY may very well want to speak to them, but arresting them is highly unlikely. And by the way instead of discreetly seeking out these individuals we'll run an 'advert' in the press. You would struggle to come up with a scenario stupider than this.



Regarding the above post, I agree how gullible people can be.  
IF there were three burgers in the area then they should be questioned for possible involvement or information. It is highly unlikely that anyone besides Madeleine's parents and or friends are involved in the "disappearance" of Madeleine but until it is proven otherwise no one can be sure what happened or even when it happened. I'd like to think the McCanns are innocent but I don't. Besides all their inconsistent statements, lawyering up, not taking lie detector tests, and bizarre behaviors, the most damning in my opinion is their lack of actually searching for Madeleine. I still hope I'm wrong and that they are innocent but it would sure be a surprise in light of the facts of the case.

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Post by Mirage on 15.01.14 0:43

@Loving Mom wrote:I'm amazed at how gullible people can be, what exactly could these burglars be arrested with as there is no evidence. Even by using the phone data it's not that accurate that they would be able to tell if somebody was in 5a or standing outside etc. it could well just be the suspects were in the vicinity,  that proves nothing . They made a lot of calls supposedly again that in itself proves nothing, SY may very well want to speak to them, but arresting them is highly unlikely. And by the way instead of discreetly seeking out these individuals we'll run an 'advert' in the press. You would struggle to come up with a scenario stupider than this.



Regarding the above post, I agree how gullible people can be.  
IF there were three burgers in the area then they should be questioned for possible involvement or information. It is highly unlikely that anyone besides Madeleine's parents and or friends are involved in the "disappearance" of Madeleine but until it is proven otherwise no one can be sure what happened or even when it happened. I'd like to think the McCanns are innocent but I don't. Besides all their inconsistent statements, lawyering up, not taking lie detector tests, and bizarre behaviors, the most damning in my opinion is their lack of actually searching for Madeleine. I still hope I'm wrong and that they are innocent but it would sure be a surprise in light of the facts of the case.

Loving Mom. Sorry but I had to laugh at your "three burgers in the area". With the way things are going it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to trace, identify and eliminate a Happy Meal.

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Post by Loving Mom on 15.01.14 0:51

I have to watch my darn spell check when commenting on the possible, or should I say improbable, burglars.  ooops 
@Mirage wrote:
@Loving Mom wrote:I'm amazed at how gullible people can be, what exactly could these burglars be arrested with as there is no evidence. Even by using the phone data it's not that accurate that they would be able to tell if somebody was in 5a or standing outside etc. it could well just be the suspects were in the vicinity,  that proves nothing . They made a lot of calls supposedly again that in itself proves nothing, SY may very well want to speak to them, but arresting them is highly unlikely. And by the way instead of discreetly seeking out these individuals we'll run an 'advert' in the press. You would struggle to come up with a scenario stupider than this.



Regarding the above post, I agree how gullible people can be.  
IF there were three burgers in the area then they should be questioned for possible involvement or information. It is highly unlikely that anyone besides Madeleine's parents and or friends are involved in the "disappearance" of Madeleine but until it is proven otherwise no one can be sure what happened or even when it happened. I'd like to think the McCanns are innocent but I don't. Besides all their inconsistent statements, lawyering up, not taking lie detector tests, and bizarre behaviors, the most damning in my opinion is their lack of actually searching for Madeleine. I still hope I'm wrong and that they are innocent but it would sure be a surprise in light of the facts of the case.

Loving Mom. Sorry but I had to laugh at your "three burgers in the area". With the way things are going it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to trace, identify and eliminate a Happy Meal.

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Post by watendlath on 15.01.14 5:13

@Mirage wrote:
@Loving Mom wrote:I'm amazed at how gullible people can be, what exactly could these burglars be arrested with as there is no evidence. Even by using the phone data it's not that accurate that they would be able to tell if somebody was in 5a or standing outside etc. it could well just be the suspects were in the vicinity,  that proves nothing . They made a lot of calls supposedly again that in itself proves nothing, SY may very well want to speak to them, but arresting them is highly unlikely. And by the way instead of discreetly seeking out these individuals we'll run an 'advert' in the press. You would struggle to come up with a scenario stupider than this.



Regarding the above post, I agree how gullible people can be.  
IF there were three burgers in the area then they should be questioned for possible involvement or information. It is highly unlikely that anyone besides Madeleine's parents and or friends are involved in the "disappearance" of Madeleine but until it is proven otherwise no one can be sure what happened or even when it happened. I'd like to think the McCanns are innocent but I don't. Besides all their inconsistent statements, lawyering up, not taking lie detector tests, and bizarre behaviors, the most damning in my opinion is their lack of actually searching for Madeleine. I still hope I'm wrong and that they are innocent but it would sure be a surprise in light of the facts of the case.

Loving Mom. Sorry but I had to laugh at your "three burgers in the area". With the way things are going it wouldn't surprise me if they wanted to trace, identify and eliminate a Happy Meal.

I'm quite sure they've already done that...how else could they have gone through six million in two years? smilie

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Post by lj on 15.01.14 7:42

candyfloss wrote:I will give this a new topic ............




McCann arrests not 'major breakthrough,' experts says




LONDON — The expected arrests of key suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann that British media are calling imminent are being "overplayed," a former police detective with extensive experience of high-profile investigations has told USA TODAY.

"This isn't a major breakthrough. This is a significant piece of information about three individuals who need to be eliminated (from police investigations)," Mark Williams Thomas, who has won awards for his investigative reporting, said Tuesday.

"Burglars don't abduct children," Thomas said. "Child abusers abduct, pedophiles abduct, but if you are in an area burglarizing a house looking for items you are not looking to take a child. In terms of who these individuals are, they are likely to be questioned about what they may have seen as witnesses," he said.

"I doubt very much they will be viewed as suspects," Thomas said. "To call them 'suspects' at this point is overplaying it by far."

Late Monday, several media outlets in the United Kingdom, including the Guardian and Daily Mirror, citing an unidentified spokesman for Kate and Gerry McCann — Madeleine's parents — reported that police in Portugal were ready to arrest and interview "key suspects" connected to alleged robberies in the area where the then 3-year-old Madeleine was taken in the case that has captivated global attention for years.
British investigators, who last year re-launched their own investigation into Madeleine's 2007 disappearance from a resort in Portugal, confirmed Monday they sent a letter of request to Portuguese authorities but would not elaborate on its contents.

Separately, the McCann's spokesman, speaking to the Guardian, said the latest developments were significant. "It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don't know who they have their sights on but it's likely it is the burglars," the spokesman told the British news site.

Two of the burglaries took place in April 2007 in the apartment block where the McCann family was staying, ABC reported from London. In both of the April burglaries, entry was gained via a window. One theory is that Madeleine was also abducted after access to the family's vacation rental was gained through a window, but she did not vanish before May.

REPORTS: Arrests ahead in Madeleine McCann disappearance

However, Thomas, who as a police officer specialized in child protection cases, said Tuesday, "These individuals may have information but as far as a breakthrough? No." More importantly, he said, they need to be ruled out.

"What happens now is very much down to what the authorities in Portugal decide to do next," Thomas said.
Contributing: USA TODAY's William M. Welch.


http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2014/01/14/madeleine-mccann-arrests-imminent/4470017/

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Post by The Rooster on 15.01.14 8:58

Dear Prime Minister

Why are UK taxpayers wasting money hand over fist to wash the grave parenting errors of Madeleine McCann's parents. They are very unpopular now in the UK and will cost votes for our party at the next election.

As concerning, is the relationship the MCCann's enjoy with Clarence Mitchell who in his own right no prophet of future party strength. Mr Mitchell is apparently the source of many unsubstantiated and potentially false press releases regarding the heavily funded Operation Grange, its progress and its relations with the Portuguese Police. Why is he allowed to harm good reputations in this irresponsible manner? With the next General Election due in May 2015 and the threat of Labour becoming more popular the opposition will use the Mitchell/ McCann relationship and the significant spend by the Government on Grange to spin and beat, not with Garlands of flowers, but with a big stick the next Tory Party manifesto. There is still time to act.

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Post by Guest on 15.01.14 9:07

@The Rooster wrote:Dear Prime Minister

Why are UK taxpayers wasting money hand over fist to wash the grave parenting errors of Madeleine McCann's parents.  They are very unpopular now in the UK and will cost votes for our party at the next election.

As concerning, is the relationship the MCCann's enjoy with Clarence Mitchell who in his own right no prophet of future party strength. Mr Mitchell is apparently the source of many unsubstantiated and potentially false press releases regarding the heavily funded Operation Grange, its progress and its relations with the Portuguese Police.  Why is he allowed to harm good reputations in this irresponsible manner?  With the next General Election due in May 2015 and the threat of Labour becoming more popular the opposition will use the Mitchell/ McCann relationship and the significant spend by the Government on Grange to spin and beat, not with Garlands of flowers, but with a big stick the next Tory Party manifesto.  There is still time to act.

But the McCanns were protected by Blair, Brown & possibly Milliband so the McCann case, if handled correctly would destroy the Labour party leaving the Tories in power and the Lib Dems as the new opposition. Just a thought.

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Post by Bishop Brennan on 15.01.14 9:15

I'm not sure they were protected as such. Just that the politicians rather rashly went "all in" with the Mccanns. It now seems more about protecting their reputation than anything. Hence the directive to SY to a) reopen the case and b) avoid investigating the mccanns.  

Both directives are unparalleled political interventions in a so-called independent police force.  That the met has responded like nodding dogs to both directives must be a source of continued embarrassment for all of its employees.

It certainly sets an uncomfortable precedent in the uk as it is now accepted by the media and public that the government can publicly instruct our police force to not investigate certain potential suspects in a crime. A handy power for any government, but one that sits uneasily in a democracy...

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