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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by canada12 on 13.01.14 7:25

@Aoife wrote:
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@Aoife wrote:It seems that the police have confirmed that a new letter of request (the previous one was last month) has been sent to Portugal, so it is not "just spin". Spin there may be, but substance also.

"Yesterday, a Scotland Yard spokesman confirmed an international letter of request was sent to the Portuguese last week but declined to discuss the contents."


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/453500/Phone-calls-clue-leads-to-burglars-becoming-chief-Maddie-suspects

I think that's probably the only true thing about the latest story.
But we do not know what was in the letter of request. As this has come from a reputable journalist, it is possible that what is in the stry is true- that the MET want to interview  or have interviwed the three suspects to either eliminate or further investigate them.

There is certainly something happening.

I think the only way a reputable journalist would be able to find out the contents of the letter would be to get a direct quote from the police force(s) involved. There doesn't seem to be any confirmation from Scotland Yard on this.

",,,a Scotland Yard spokesman confirmed an international letter of request was sent to the Portuguese last week but declined to discuss the contents."

So I think any speculation about the contents is just that, speculation. And spin.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by Aoife on 13.01.14 7:54

@canada12 wrote:
@Aoife wrote:
@canada12 wrote:
@Aoife wrote:It seems that the police have confirmed that a new letter of request (the previous one was last month) has been sent to Portugal, so it is not "just spin". Spin there may be, but substance also.

"Yesterday, a Scotland Yard spokesman confirmed an international letter of request was sent to the Portuguese last week but declined to discuss the contents."


http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/453500/Phone-calls-clue-leads-to-burglars-becoming-chief-Maddie-suspects

I think that's probably the only true thing about the latest story.
But we do not know what was in the letter of request. As this has come from a reputable journalist, it is possible that what is in the stry is true- that the MET want to interview  or have interviwed the three suspects to either eliminate or further investigate them.

There is certainly something happening.

I think the only way a reputable journalist would be able to find out the contents of the letter would be to get a direct quote from the police force(s) involved. There doesn't seem to be any confirmation from Scotland Yard on this.

",,,a Scotland Yard spokesman confirmed an international letter of request was sent to the Portuguese last week but declined to discuss the contents."

So I think any speculation about the contents is just that, speculation. And spin.

There is a difference between speculation and spin- one does not entail the other. Speculation ranges over all possibilities where's spin is limited range of speculation with the intention of changing attitudes.

It is interesting that a new letter has been sent. It is quite possible that the journalist has been briefed 'off he record'. That is not spin.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by debs on 13.01.14 8:12

now that this story has been in the Mail, the Telegraph and now the Mirror it must be true (....). Burglars in Praia in April/May 2007. So would one of our Portuguese friends on here please look up the court records for convicted burglars in Praia in 2007, then we should be able to narrow the field down to a few named suspects. But don't be surprised if there arent any. There may have been burglars in the area (though even that isnt certain) and three people made a lot of calls that night, but nobody can connect the two things unless the burglars were caught and their phone numbers recorded at the time

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by worriedmum on 13.01.14 8:17

Could one of their suspects be 'tractorman', and they have traced his phone calls?

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by Smokeandmirrors on 13.01.14 8:23

@worriedmum wrote:Could one of their suspects be 'tractorman', and they have traced his phone calls?

That would suit them nicely, find a way to blame the dead guy, shut up shop and enjoy the last 400K left in the fund, and maybe write another novel about the whole charade.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by Swannie on 13.01.14 8:23

@sallypelt wrote:"It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don’t know who they have their sights on but it’s likely it is the burglars.
We know it would make far more sense if it referred to the Xdoctor, Ywouldthatbeourfault and the self-appointed Z Cars pink police spokesperson.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by suzyjohnson on 13.01.14 8:31

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:This 'story' clearly comes from Team McCann, the article says so explicitly.

Ask yourself - why are they doing this? If there really are three burglars that Scotland Yard want to arrest, why don't Gerry and Kate just sit quietly and let the police do their job?  Why the need for the media blitz?

If the story is true, how can leaking this to the press possibly benefit them in any way?

More to the point, how could this possibly benefit Madeleine in any way?

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by debs on 13.01.14 8:39

the Mail is there now, effectively repeating its own story but now with a Mirror twist
Daily Mail

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by Guest on 13.01.14 8:42

It's also being reported on BBC Radio 5 Live.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by Guest on 13.01.14 8:45

A source close to her parents Kate and Gerry said.....

If the McCanns (via friends, sources close to and spokesperson etc.) feel the need to start broadcasting details of the investigation after months and months of refusing to comment (other than to say how "pleased" they are) for "operational reasons" indicates to me that the investigation is becoming more focussed and the McCanns are starting to feel the pressure.

It's their standard reaction to bad news - don't look over here, look over there at the swarthy bad foreigner(s) and the pretty little blond girl ...she's lovely.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by tiny on 13.01.14 8:47

Is something happening else where that they don't want us to look at

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by debs on 13.01.14 9:04

"It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don’t know who they have their sights on but it’s likely it is the burglars.

so not necessarily the burglars then

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by russiandoll on 13.01.14 9:05

We should remember this though, with the story of the 3 robbers in mind..........I bolded when I posted the storyline and PeterMac included the video of the robbers making a place to rest for the little girl in a cave.

 Courtesy of Herr Edgar :

But even then Dave said he was convinced Maddie was entombed by an abductor in a cellar or dungeon, like Austrian cellar victims Natascha Kampusch and Elisabeth Fritzl.
“Maddie is most likely being held captive, possibly in an underground cellar, just like Natascha or Elisabeth, and could emerge at any time,” he told us.



 My good God, you really could not make this stuff up.

After CW went out, was there not an appeal from the Met for media to act with restraint and not go into a frenzy of speculation when there were developments?

 The only fact is that a second letter of request has been sent. The rest is speculation with a large portion of spin for added spice to the mix.

 A second letter does not mean that the Portuguese police ignored their first request. Could be, and given Redwood said the Met had a good working relationship with their counterparts in Portugal, probably is a request for additional assistance.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by noddy100 on 13.01.14 10:01

Ah from what I see with these stories they all have the get out clause of 'if only to eliminate' which tbh means anyone could be questioned

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by ChippyM on 13.01.14 10:02

@russiandoll wrote:We should remember this though, with the story of the 3 robbers in mind..........I bolded when I posted the storyline and PeterMac included the video of the robbers making a place to rest for the little girl in a cave.

 Courtesy of Herr Edgar :

But even then Dave said he was convinced Maddie was entombed by an abductor in a cellar or dungeon, like Austrian cellar victims Natascha Kampusch and Elisabeth Fritzl.
“Maddie is most likely being held captive, possibly in an underground cellar, just like Natascha or Elisabeth, and could emerge at any time,” he told us.........

  This 'theory' is one of the silliest. Do they really think that people haven't noticed the women mentioned above (and Elizabeth Smart, Ariel Castro victims etc. that K and G have mentioned)  are alot older than Madeleine, teenagers mostly. They were made captive to be a 'partner', ( for want of a better word), to the men that took them and they selected them based on that. I'm sure I don't need to go into detail but a 4 year old is not going to be taken to live long term in some dungeon. The statistics support this and render this theory ridiclous!  You also have the glaringly obvious disparity in how these girls were abducted, ie. not whilst sleeping in an unlocked holiday apartment!

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by Miraflores on 13.01.14 10:09

Now why is the BBC reporting it: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/blogs-the-papers-25707768
when the much bigger story in the Sunday Times about the McCanns suppressing the e-fits was totally ignored?

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by sallypelt on 13.01.14 10:15

The Telegraph newspaper article.

So it's the "McCann family spokesman" who is saying he "believes interview targets are three burglars in Praia da Luz at time of kidknapping"


 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10567828/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-wants-to-interview-three-burglars.html

Maybe it's worth posting all that was said by "The McCann's spokesperson"


“The letter is a significant development,” the spokesman told the newspaper.
“It is necessary for British police to request the Portuguese authorities allow them to operate on their turf.
“It means they have the intention of arresting and interviewing X, Y or Z. We don’t know who they have their sights on but it’s likely it is the burglars.
“Whether the Portuguese will co-operate remains to be seen. It is a very sensitive issue with the differences they have had.
“Police want to be given a chance to arrest key suspects. It doesn’t prove they have Madeleine but it will rule them in or out of the investigation and that is important.

Kate and Gerry don’t want to build up their hopes too high but they realise it could be a significant new lead.”

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by noddy100 on 13.01.14 10:17

@sallypelt wrote:The Telegraph newspaper article.

So it's the "McCann family spokesman" who is saying he "believes interview targets are three burglars in Praia da Luz at time of kidknapping"

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10567828/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-wants-to-interview-three-burglars.html
I don't get why SY don't stop CM leaking this tripe

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by J4MM on 13.01.14 10:19

It also says she vanished in May 2003.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by tiny on 13.01.14 10:19

@sallypelt wrote:The Telegraph newspaper article.

So it's the "McCann family spokesman" who is saying he "believes interview targets are three burglars in Praia da Luz at time of kidknapping"

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10567828/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-wants-to-interview-three-burglars.html

The mccanns and their spokesman are a menace to children every where,burglas indeed,they ought to be STOPPED from commenting.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by gbwales on 13.01.14 10:20

"We can confirm that a second International Letter of Request (ILOR) has been sent to the Portuguese authorities by the Crown Prosecution Services this week (week commencing 6 January) in connection with Operation Grange."

As far as I am aware this sentence is the only SY quote anywhere (and appears on their press bureau website, dated Jan 10th). Everything else is a pretty much identical copy&paste with the usual phrases and only other *actual* quotes attributed to a "source close to the McCanns" - and we all know which colossal numpty that refers to.

Nowhere does any official quote conflate the ILOR matter and the burglar story, which in itself appears to have been conflated completely without genuine sourcing with the mobile phones story.

I think we should take SY and the PJ at their word when they say they are not providing a running commentary, and treat any story that they might for one minute consider giving their suspects special international warning by media of their intentions with the contempt it deserves.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by Aoife on 13.01.14 10:21

@tiny wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:The Telegraph newspaper article.

So it's the "McCann family spokesman" who is saying he "believes interview targets are three burglars in Praia da Luz at time of kidknapping"

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10567828/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-wants-to-interview-three-burglars.html

The mccanns and their spokesman are a menace to children every where,burglas indeed,they ought to be STOPPED from commenting.

How could that be done legally. Surely they have a right to speak out however mistaken we might think that to be.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by Aoife on 13.01.14 10:23

@gbwales wrote:"We can confirm that a second International Letter of Request (ILOR) has been sent to the Portuguese authorities by the Crown Prosecution Services this week (week commencing 6 January) in connection with Operation Grange."

As far as I am aware this sentence is the only SY quote anywhere (and appears on their press bureau website, dated Jan 10th). Everything else is a pretty much identical copy&paste with the usual phrases and only other *actual* quotes attributed to a "source close to the McCanns" - and we all know which colossal numpty that refers to.

Nowhere does any official quote conflate the ILOR matter and the burglar story, which in itself appears to have been conflated completely without genuine sourcing with the mobile phones story.

I think we should take SY and the PJ at their word when they say they are not providing a running commentary, and treat any story that they might for one minute consider giving their suspects special international warning by media of their intentions with the contempt it deserves.

There is always the possibility of an off the record briefing of the journalist(s) or team McCann.

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by tiny on 13.01.14 10:23

@Aoife wrote:
@tiny wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:The Telegraph newspaper article.

So it's the "McCann family spokesman" who is saying he "believes interview targets are three burglars in Praia da Luz at time of kidknapping"

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10567828/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-wants-to-interview-three-burglars.html

The mccanns and their spokesman are a menace to children every where,burglas indeed,they ought to be STOPPED from commenting.

How could that be done legally. Surely they have a right to speak out however mistaken we might think that to be.

Perhaps their mates at sy could have a word with them

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Re: Daily Mirror front page 13/01/2014

Post by Aoife on 13.01.14 10:25

@tiny wrote:
@Aoife wrote:
@tiny wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:The Telegraph newspaper article.

So it's the "McCann family spokesman" who is saying he "believes interview targets are three burglars in Praia da Luz at time of kidknapping"

 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/madeleinemccann/10567828/Madeleine-McCann-Scotland-Yard-wants-to-interview-three-burglars.html

The mccanns and their spokesman are a menace to children every where,burglas indeed,they ought to be STOPPED from commenting.

How could that be done legally. Surely they have a right to speak out however mistaken we might think that to be.

Perhaps their mates at sy could have a word with them

They have no power to do his though

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