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CMTV THE DISAPPEARANCE OF MADELEINE McCANN: CRIME SCENE RECONSTRUCTION

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Post by canada12 on 08.01.14 6:56

I remember this issue being very cautiously touched on in the previous forums back in 2007-2009, years before the Jimmy Saville scandal and the child porn investigations blew the lid off how pervasive and entrenched this kind of thing was among some very high profile individuals and, indeed, in the population at large.

Back then, any hint of this sort of thing in the forum discussions was roundly leaped on by disrupters. Anyone who even dared raise the suggestion that something like this might have been at the heart of what happened was accused of having a filthy mind, of smearing the image of an innocent child, etc etc.

A lot of people saw the photos of M with eye makeup and in poses that made them wonder. And they didn't have filthy minds, they just asked questions that came about as a result of these pictures, the statements of the Gaspers, the obvious pact of silence among the Tapas 9, their non-cooperation with the investigation, etc.

One reason why there seemed to be such a high-level of protection and "cover up" might be because the people who might be involved in this sort of thing might have included high-level individuals. And because of the level of protection we might never know who those individuals might have been, whether they were there that week, whether they departed discreetly, etc.

All of this just imho and my memory of the early speculation on other forums "back then".

The other thing that occurred to people was that the high level of protection and "cover up" might have been because of the investigations into child porn that were going on at the time - specifically Operation Ore. It's possible that finding out what happened to Madeleine might have, in some way, compromised Operation Ore's investigations.

Again, imho and my memory of the early speculation.

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Post by Praia on 08.01.14 10:48

For any new poster's or reader's, I and many others who have followed this from day one believe Apt 5A was probably not used as a holiday apartment by the McCann's and they stayed elsewhere. There was a huge thread, "What was 5A really used for?" if people want more to ponder.  I am certain as I can be there was no neglect and the other children were looked after probably in the Payne's larger apt.

Whatever happened to Madeleine happened in the first few days, IMO. God love her and God Bless Dr Amaral, Sofia Leal and family.

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Post by Guest on 08.01.14 11:00

Thank you, Praia, for your interesting and thought-provoking post.  I'm newish here and have much to read, but do not believe M. was taken on 3rd but something happened earlier in the week.  Who would have been looking after the children - one of the parents or a hired babysitter?

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Post by bobbin on 08.01.14 12:44

Stewie wrote:No wonder the mccanns are trreatened by  amaral ... Very smart man and quite a threat to them as he seems to have a very good handle on what  probably happened  and thepolitical interference that has been a feature of this right from the start.  Wish we could have such reporting done here rather than the drivel the media put out on this case.

Bobbin - i remember finding via the internet way back machine previous versions of the jaconto e murat website        The company had some involvement with robert murat and they owned and maintained holiday properties including the infamous burgau apartment.  There were some questionable keywords on that website on archived versions of the site including boys , girls, sex so this might be what you are referring to. Think it was on the burgau topic .. Or It will be under my postings .. 

Found it - page 20 of burgau topic:

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2793p190-what-was-so-special-about-burgau

Thank you Stewie, that is absolutely what I was looking for.
Clear as day, the key words, 'sex' 'boys' 'girls' were there on the Murat Holiday apartment advertising and removed once forum members started highlighting this information.
For any posters who have not studied this thread, please take the time to go through it. It is possibly much more significant than previously imagined.


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Post by flamingboy on 08.01.14 13:44

@Praia wrote:For any new poster's or reader's, I and many others who have followed this from day one believe Apt 5A was probably not used as a holiday apartment by the McCann's and they stayed elsewhere. There was a huge thread, "What was 5A really used for?" if people want more to ponder.  I am certain as I can be there was no neglect and the other children were looked after probably in the Payne's larger apt.

Whatever happened to Madeleine happened in the first few days, IMO. God love her and God Bless Dr Amaral, Sofia Leal and family.

Thanks for that Praia. I appreciate the differing views and slants that allow a more fuller picture especially, as you say, for new poster's / readers. With respect, having followed the unfolding events from day one, this I'm sure shows how well read up you all are.

By the same token; it highlights how little some of us know and are only now being introduced to. I was reading late last night threads going back to 2010/11. Old news to you guys but revelations to the newbies. All necessary if we are to have some understanding of what's really been going off. It is and was devastating what happened to Madeleine. How so very, very sad.

Peace & Love x

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Post by Praia on 08.01.14 13:48

Hi Ladyinred, nice to "meet" you.  There was an adult member of the party either sick or missing nearly every night, but some feel one of the nannies could have been used. One was called Pauline McCann and much older than the other nannies who seemed to be young girls there to earn cash and party. Check Pauline out in the files, she is more GM and KM's age.

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Post by Praia on 08.01.14 13:51

Flamingboy, you are right, just keep reading, questioning things for yourself and spread the word if possible. 
I hope we all find peace this year, Madeleine has been exploited in every way possible by greedy people all over the world. Enough is enough.

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Post by flamingboy on 08.01.14 14:07

@Praia wrote:....... There was a huge thread, "What was 5A really used for?".........


Please can somebody tell me how to find this particular thread so I can read up on it?

Thanks in advance.

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Post by Guest on 08.01.14 14:10

also if anyone can easily pinpoint Pauline mccann thread too never heard her name before,thanks praia.

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Post by Guest on 08.01.14 14:13

@flamingboy wrote:
@Praia wrote:....... There was a huge thread, "What was 5A really used for?".........


Please can somebody tell me how to find this particular thread so I can read up on it?

Thanks in advance.

Welcome flamingboy, it is here....

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4212-what-was-5a-really-used-for?highlight=what+was+apartment+5a+really+used+for

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Post by flamingboy on 08.01.14 14:17

candyfloss wrote:
@flamingboy wrote:
@Praia wrote:....... There was a huge thread, "What was 5A really used for?".........


Please can somebody tell me how to find this particular thread so I can read up on it?

Thanks in advance.

Welcome flamingboy, it is here....

http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t4212-what-was-5a-really-used-for?highlight=what+was+apartment+5a+really+used+for



Many thanks, Candyfloss.

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Post by Clocker on 08.01.14 14:36

@Praia wrote:For any new poster's or reader's, I and many others who have followed this from day one believe Apt 5A was probably not used as a holiday apartment by the McCann's and they stayed elsewhere. There was a huge thread, "What was 5A really used for?" if people want more to ponder.  I am certain as I can be there was no neglect and the other children were looked after probably in the Payne's larger apt.

Whatever happened to Madeleine happened in the first few days, IMO. God love her and God Bless Dr Amaral, Sofia Leal and family.
Hi Praia, no disrespect to you at all but after reading your interesting opening post on the above said thread,  I have just spent what seems hours and got to page 28 and and never once does it get to discussing the actual title of the thread.  Should I continue, does it get to it in the end? Thanks :) I'm being serious and not at all sarcastic but quite often words come across that way when written down.

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Post by Praia on 08.01.14 16:42

Hi Clocker, no bother, that was off the top of my head, I have nt looked at that thread since that time so can't remember how it went. I have ongoing health problems and have not posted anywhere in nearly a year but recent major surgery has helped so I decided to comment on a few things.

If you have any question's on things you'd like to ask a local, I live a few miles from Luz and was there in 2007, feel free to pm me. Due to my illness I keep strange hours but will reply if I can.

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Post by Praia on 08.01.14 16:45

Info on Pauline McCann in files with passport photo. She is from Derry so not stretching it that she has links to the Irish side of all this.

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Post by Praia on 08.01.14 16:59

Flamingbird, just had a look and saw what you meant, had forgotton about Advocatus, ignore all that, there are some interesting posts. 
I have always thought 5A was the set for the drama to unfold.

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Post by Guest on 08.01.14 17:11

@Praia wrote:Hi Clocker, no bother, that was off the top of my head, I have nt looked at that thread since that time so can't remember how it went. I have ongoing health problems and have not posted anywhere in nearly a year but recent major surgery has helped so I decided to comment on a few things.

If you have any question's on things you'd like to ask a local, I live a few miles from Luz and was there in 2007, feel free to pm me. Due to my illness I keep strange hours but will reply if I can.

Praia, wishing you better health in 2014.

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Post by Guest on 08.01.14 17:24

 
@Praia wrote:Hi Clocker, no bother, that was off the top of my head, I have nt looked at that thread since that time so can't remember how it went. I have ongoing health problems and have not posted anywhere in nearly a year but recent major surgery has helped so I decided to comment on a few things.

If you have any question's on things you'd like to ask a local, I live a few miles from Luz and was there in 2007, feel free to pm me. Due to my illness I keep strange hours but will reply if I can.

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Post by Praia on 08.01.14 17:32

Thank you both, I had given up on hoping for justice for Madeleine. But atm it seems I have had my own miracle happen after years of ill health so maybe, just maybe Madeleine will. So I decided to post and offer local knowledge to all the new people who are now questioning the case, especially after the CW debacle.

My next goal is to be in Lisbon, with camera, for the verdict but we will see.

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Post by Guest on 08.01.14 18:16

Thank you Praia I will have a look.
Wish you continuing good health x

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Post by Clocker on 09.01.14 10:26

@Portia wrote: 
@Praia wrote:Hi Clocker, no bother, that was off the top of my head, I have nt looked at that thread since that time so can't remember how it went. I have ongoing health problems and have not posted anywhere in nearly a year but recent major surgery has helped so I decided to comment on a few things.

If you have any question's on things you'd like to ask a local, I live a few miles from Luz and was there in 2007, feel free to pm me. Due to my illness I keep strange hours but will reply if I can.

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Morning Praia thanks very much for the reply. I eventually went back to the thread, skipped a few pages but did manage to finish it. You seemed to disappear but Hummingbird came on with some interesting points similar to yours which brought it back on track for a while. Anyway, I've only mentioned the outcome as you said above that you weren't sure how it went. 
Thanks for the offer to pm you, (Portia's big giveaway that there was more to that gesture made me smile and there's no offence taken) I'm just a nobody but we are all entitled to think what we wish, hence we are here on this forum. 
I wish you all the best with your health Praia and thank you again. :)

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