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Stephen D Birch: 'Could 50,000 people please send me £1 each for a deal I've negotiated with Robert Murat and Correia da Manha to dig up Murat's driveway'

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 05.01.14 20:02

I think he's a complete jerk.


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Post by Guest on 05.01.14 20:23

@The Rooster wrote:Personally I quite admire Stephen Birch.  

I wouldn't go that far but at least he only makes one easily falsifiable claim. To talk about him in the same breath as the likes of Shrimpton, well, that guy is an entirely different box of frogs altogether.

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Post by Guest on 05.01.14 20:41

More about Martin Van Wyk here - see the comments at the end about Stephen Birch.

http://truthformadeleine.com/2009/12/another-south-african-madeleine-finder-arrives-in-portugal/

Yes Clay, I'd certainly rather try to have a debate with SB than MS - the latter is one of those about whom my son would say with a shudder - "they walk amongst us" - meaning completely mad but living in the community.

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Re: Stephen D Birch: 'Could 50,000 people please send me £1 each for a deal I've negotiated with Robert Murat and Correia da Manha to dig up Murat's driveway'

Post by loopzdaloop on 05.01.14 21:22

@Woofer wrote:It doesn`t cost £50,000 to dig up a small patch of driveway.

Murat`s made enough money out of this case. 

Actually, by Murat charging that amount of money it shows that he has nothing to hide and also shows up Birch.
I don't blame Murat in the slightest for charging him to do it. It has always been clear to me that Murat was just the patsy, so for all the grief that he has been put through by the Mccanns, he deserves some extra money. Moreover, by Birch paying him the money he also makes up for the hassle he has caused Murat.

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Post by Swannie on 05.01.14 21:24

@tiny wrote:Another one who has lost the plot,who in their right mind would give money to birch

Add the names, 'Kate, Gerry and the Pink One' to the end of your sentence and I'll gladly donate £100!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 05.01.14 21:38

@loopzdaloop wrote:
@Woofer wrote:It doesn`t cost £50,000 to dig up a small patch of driveway.

Murat`s made enough money out of this case. 
I don't blame Murat in the slightest for charging him to do it...for all the grief that he has been put through by the McCanns, he deserves some extra money.

Does he?

He netted £600 grand for his first libel action, more than both of the McCanns put together.

Then he got some more from his second libel action, another £100,000, it was suggested.

He told a pack of lies when first questioned by police, having to make 17 separate and significant changes to his first statement, when questioned a second time by the PJ two months later. Why would an innocent man do that? And that was only after checks by the PJ on pings from his mobile 'phone to the local antennae found out his lies. His excuse for his lies was that he was 'too tired' to remember the truth.

About a missing 3-year-old girl!

He tried to influence the direction of the initial investigation and was observed by a police inspector to be noseying into various documents - so much so that the inspector had to challenge him about his behaviour and indeed made a special report, noting his concerns, to investigation co-ordinator Dr Goncalo Amaral.

Moreover, he has told us absolutely nothing about what business he discussed with his lawyer, Cheshire businessman Brian Kennedy and his lawyer, senior Freemason Edward Smethurst, at the meeting they all had in Portugal on 13 November 2007.

I can't for the life of me see why you are so warmly disposed towards him, loopzdaloop

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Post by IAmNotMerylStreep on 05.01.14 21:50

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@The Rooster wrote:Personally I quite admire Stephen Birch.  

I wouldn't go that far but at least he only makes one easily falsifiable claim. To talk about him in the same breath as the likes of Shrimpton, well, that guy is an entirely different box of frogs altogether.

Mad as a box of frogs, maybe, but this is his resume

Michael Shrimpton is a barrister, called to the Bar in 1983, and a specialist in National Security and Constitutional Law. He has wide ranging connections with Western Intelligence agencies and amongst ex-Soviet Bloc agencies. Michael has earned respect in the intelligence community for his analysis of previously unacknowledged post WWII covert operations against the West by the covert German DVD. He is an Emeritus Adjunct Professor of Intelligence Studies, Department of National Security, Intelligence and Space Studies, American Military University, where he taught intelligence subjects at Masters Degree level to inter alia serving intelligence officers. He has represented US and Israeli intelligence officers in law and has briefed staffers on the Senate select Committee on Intelligence and the Joint Congressional inquiry into 9-11, also addressing panels on terrorism in Washington DC and Los Angeles. His active assistance to Intelligence and Law Enforcement Agencies in the Global War on Terror has produced some notable success including the exposure of the Abu Graib “hood” photograph as a fake. His work in strategic intelligence has taken him to the Pentagon. He also met with senior advisors to the President of the Russian Federation in Moscow in November 2005. He participated in the Global Strategic Review conference in Geneva in 2005 and is a regular contributor at conferences such as Intelcon and the Intelligence Summit in Washington DC. He has been a member of Chatham House, RUSI, the International Institute for Strategic Studies and the Military Commentators Circle, which he has addressed. In November 2010 he took an 18 month sabbatical to write his major intelligence history of the DVD, Spyhunter, which is scheduled for publication in the United States in mid-November. He is a member of British Mensa. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Michael_Shrimpton

http://theshrimptonreport.blogspot.co.uk/

I don't know if this blog is legit, just found it on google.

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Post by Guest on 05.01.14 23:29

I don't believe for a minute that Stephen Birch has had any discussions with Robert Murat about digging up the latter's mother's garden.

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Post by aiyoyo on 06.01.14 0:37

Who knows ?

If we believe the body was moved multiple times, then looking at it from different angle, hypothetically speaking SB's theory may have a leg to stand on.  Provided only if the body was moved there much later, post the police search, with the help of someone outside the group (and new driveway paved over the area) .

The cliche that the obvious place is often the safest may hold true.  
More so, only if the alleged burial took place post police search.  
The property having already been thoroughly swept over by Police dogs previously and nothing found could be regarded as super-safe.  As it is generally believed a recurring search is highly unlikely.  Not unless Police have suspicious ground for re-search.

Just a crazy passing thought even though I believe SB's theory is bunkum.

It's rather bizarre Murat did not threaten to sue him for spouting nonsense as the inference is bleeding obvious.

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Re: Stephen D Birch: 'Could 50,000 people please send me £1 each for a deal I've negotiated with Robert Murat and Correia da Manha to dig up Murat's driveway'

Post by loopzdaloop on 06.01.14 3:47

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@loopzdaloop wrote:
@Woofer wrote:It doesn`t cost £50,000 to dig up a small patch of driveway.

Murat`s made enough money out of this case. 
I don't blame Murat in the slightest for charging him to do it...for all the grief that he has been put through by the McCanns, he deserves some extra money.

Does he?

He netted £600 grand for his first libel action, more than both of the McCanns put together.

Then he got some more from his second libel action, another £100,000, it was suggested.

He told a pack of lies when first questioned by police, having to make 17 separate and significant changes to his first statement, when questioned a second time by the PJ two months later. Why would an innocent man do that? And that was only after checks by the PJ on pings from his mobile 'phone to the local antennae found out his lies. His excuse for his lies was that he was 'too tired' to remember the truth.

About a missing 3-year-old girl!

He tried to influence the direction of the initial investigation and was observed by a police inspector to be noseying into various documents - so much so that the inspector had to challenge him about his behaviour and indeed made a special report, noting his concerns, to investigation co-ordinator Dr Goncalo Amaral.

Moreover, he has told us absolutely nothing about what business he discussed with his lawyer, Cheshire businessman Brian Kennedy and his lawyer, senior Freemason Edward Smethurst, at the meeting they all had in Portugal on 13 November 2007.

I can't for the life of me see why you are so warmly disposed towards him, loopzdaloop

There are many busybodies the world over that interfere in other peoples business. Sometimes they bumble through lifr quite aimably, but sometimes they stumble into situations that land themselves into deep water. It is said that the road to hell was paved with good intentions.

As far as I see it, the mccanns pulled a scam however scams dont operate in a vacuum.
It created a ripple effect hitting your average joes, like the smiths, murrat or even crecheman who now thinks he is bundleman.
The ripples affected tides and in fell gov, the media, politicians, PR, Solicitors etc. None of these animals work for free and other scammers are aware of this. So in jumped the Likes of Halligan and the rest of
The private detectives, as well as other people that could utilise this story for their own benefits such as hugh grant to seek reenge on the press. I see birch as one of these people attempting to ride the bandwagon, and i see no reason why the initial busybody should not profit from someone who is reminding the world who his name is.

I would love to see all these relationships mapped but lots are hisden.
Too many people have been dragged into this whole mess.
I have no 'warmth' for any, just sadness at the perpetuation of it all.

I do have hope though, given by Redwood and the team.
Their wall of silence is something i truely respect an im happy to wait for resolution in court.
When that day us over, I hope further resolutions are made.
This includes your compensation and release from undertakings as well as (perhaps harshly) the blackening of the name of the digital reputation management companies their staff as well as any other people employed by the mccanns for helping to continue this farce. "I was only following orders" is not an excuse for them.


Nb:please excuse any typos as am typing on mobile.

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Post by bristow on 10.01.14 5:34

Seems the McCanns are doing much the same with the reopening of their online shop.

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Post by bristow on 10.01.14 5:38

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1262019408

He has posted what he claims to be confirmation of the request for money.From: Miguel Martins [mailto:MiguelMartins@cmjornal.pt]
Sent: 29 October 2013 23:13
To: Stephen Birch
Cc: Octavio Ribeiro
Subject: RE: Excavation of Murat driveway

Dear Mr. Stephen Birch,

On behalf of Mr. Octávio Ribeiro, my editor in chief, I’m replying to the request you send to Correio da Manhã in order to facilitate a deal to dig up Robert Murat’s driveway.

We propose the following:

a) You’ll transfer 50.000€ to Correio da Manhã, that will act as mediator with Mr. Murat’s lawyer and make sure that the same amount get to an account indicated by him;

b) This amount will not only give you and your team access to the driveway in Mr. Murat’s property, but will also allow an excavation. Besides this, Mr. Murat’s will give up of any charges against you by trespassing and defamation;

c) Correio da Manhã and CMTV (Correio da Manhã TV channel) will have all the exclusives of covering the excavations and of interviews with you and your staff, as well as the exclusive of a big interview indoor, in our studios. All the copyright of the images are for Correio da Manhã, exception made for South Africa, because it’s your country and you can explore them as you want;

d) If the remains of Madeleine McCann are under the driveway Correio da Manhã will pay you back the 50.000€;

e) Correio da Manhã doesn’t cover any costs of travel and accommodation for you and your team;

f) If the remains of Madeleine McCann are not under the driveway the 50.000€ will not be returned to you;

g) We think these conditions are very good to serve your purposes and, therefore, are not negotiable. If your answer is positive, we'll ask our lawyers to draft a proper contract;

h) This mail is highly classified, and must remain always in that condition, now, during and after the process.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.01.14 8:40

@bristow wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1262019408

He has posted what he claims to be confirmation of the request for money.From: Miguel Martins [mailto:MiguelMartins@cmjornal.pt]
Sent: 29 October 2013 23:13
To: Stephen Birch
Cc: Octavio Ribeiro
Subject: RE: Excavation of Murat driveway

Dear Mr. Stephen Birch,

On behalf of Mr. Octávio Ribeiro, my editor in chief, I’m replying to the request you send to Correio da Manhã in order to facilitate a deal to dig up Robert Murat’s driveway.

We propose the following:

a) You’ll transfer 50.000€ to Correio da Manhã, that will act as mediator with Mr. Murat’s lawyer and make sure that the same amount get to an account indicated by him;


Robert Murat: "Gimme 50 grand..."

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Post by Tony Bennett on 10.01.14 8:46

@bristow wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1262019408

He has posted what he claims to be confirmation of the request for money.From: Miguel Martins [mailto:MiguelMartins@cmjornal.pt]
Sent: 29 October 2013 23:13
To: Stephen Birch
Cc: Octavio Ribeiro
Subject: RE: Excavation of Murat driveway

Dear Mr. Stephen Birch,

h) This mail is highly classified, and must remain always in that condition, now, during and after the process.

Not any more...

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Post by russiandoll on 10.01.14 8:52

d) If the remains of Madeleine McCann are under the driveway Correio da Manhã will pay you back the 50.000€;

e) Correio da Manhã doesn’t cover any costs of travel and accommodation for you and your team;


f) If the remains of Madeleine McCann are not under the driveway the 50.000€ will not be returned to you;



 THE DELIGHTS OF TABLOID JOURNALISM. THIS IS BEYOND DISGUSTING.

 THERE ARE OCCASIONS WHEN I THINK THIS CASE HAS HIT A NEW LOW........THIS IS ABOUT AS LOW AS IT CAN GET IMO.

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Stephen Birch believes he found the body of Madeleine McCann.

Post by NickE on 14.01.14 21:47

Stephen based his theory when it has been over 1 year and 3 months of investigation. 
The investigation was completed in the last 15 days, at which traveled to the Algarve to collect what it considers to be the conclusion of your search.
He came with two South Africans and even breaking the law and entered a privately owned, made an exploration of the area where the body believes to be Maddie. 

http://www.grandelata.com/video/afinal-o-corpo-de-madeleine-mccann-foi-encontrado-/21042#ixzz2qPaQghqn

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Post by Guest on 14.01.14 21:52

NickE have merged your new thread with this one. We don't want to waste too much forum space on him  big grin 

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Post by TMH on 15.01.14 16:17

This is said to have been on Birchs Facebook page. 

.STEPHEN D BIRCH WRITE`S.ON HIS OWN PAGE .......just got written confirmation from Portugal ... Portuguese police say I am right. Madeleine McCann lies buried beneath the Murat driveway !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 15.01.14 16:26

@TMH wrote:This is said to have been on Birchs Facebook page. 

.STEPHEN D BIRCH WRITE`S.ON HIS OWN PAGE .......just got written confirmation from Portugal ... Portuguese police say I am right. Madeleine McCann lies buried beneath the Murat driveway !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An excellent way to get people to donate towards the 50k, one thinks.

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Post by TMH on 15.01.14 16:33

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@TMH wrote:This is said to have been on Birchs Facebook page. 

.STEPHEN D BIRCH WRITE`S.ON HIS OWN PAGE .......just got written confirmation from Portugal ... Portuguese police say I am right. Madeleine McCann lies buried beneath the Murat driveway !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An excellent way to get people to donate towards the 50k, one thinks.
I'll wait to see if he shows proof of the PJ saying he's right. I think we'll be waiting a long time for that  nah

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Post by notlongnow on 15.01.14 16:38

@whatliesbehindthesofa wrote:
@TMH wrote:This is said to have been on Birchs Facebook page. 

.STEPHEN D BIRCH WRITE`S.ON HIS OWN PAGE .......just got written confirmation from Portugal ... Portuguese police say I am right. Madeleine McCann lies buried beneath the Murat driveway !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

An excellent way to get people to donate towards the 50k, one thinks.
I'm guessing the police will be digging it up this week.
£50,000 won't be needed now.

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Post by whatliesbehindthesofa on 15.01.14 17:12

I'm not saying that I believe him, I don't :) It's just another one of those infamous 'marketing ploys'.

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Post by Five Star on 15.01.14 20:01

Surely the dogs could give a non-alert and save all that money?      titter

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