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FOI Act questions to the Met and the Mayor of London's office about Operation Grange

Post by Tony Bennett on 03.01.14 10:20

I have today despatched by email these FOI Act requests to the Met Police and to the Mayor of London's Office about Operation Grange. The deadline for reply in both cases is 31 January:

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Dear Metropolitan Police Service (MPS),

These questions relate to the contacts between staff of Operation Grange and the makers of the BBC Crimewatch Special on Madeleine McCann on 14 October 2013.

1. Please state (a) the date and (b) the circumstances under which the Metropolitan Police Operation Grange Team and the BBC Crimewatch team first discussed the making of the programme about Madeleine McCann  transmitted on 14 October 2013

2. Please list all occasions since then, giving the dates, on which any member of Operation Grange met any member of the BBC Crimewatch Team (or anyone else from the BBC), either physically, or by video conference - and for each occasion, list the numbers of Operation Grange members who attended each meeting.

NOTE: This information will be very easy to find from DCI Andy Redwood's Policy Folder on Grange's relations with BBC Crimewatch. 

Yours faithfully,

Anthony Bennett


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Dear Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime,

Please supply information as to how Operation Grange is being monitored (Note, all the questions below also apply to the MOPC's predecessor authority, the Metropolitan Police Authority).

1. Does the Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime monitor in any way the progress of Operation Grange?

2. If so, how?

3. On what occasions has the Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime discussed Operation Grange?

4. Has either DCI Andy Redwood or any other Metropolitan Police Officer met with the Mayor or any member of his staff re Operation Grange since it was set up on 11 May 2011?

5. If so, on what dates?

Yours faithfully,

Anthony Bennett

 

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Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED on 03.01.14 11:06

Happy New Year Tone, I fully expect your FOI to be fobbed off. 

I am always pleased to see you upset the 'apple cart'.

You are a real thorn in their side.

Cheers.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 03.01.14 11:08

@IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:Happy New Year Tone, I fully expect your FOI to be fobbed off. 

I am always pleased to see you upset the 'apple cart'...

...and hopefully get rid of a few 'bad apples' in the process...

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Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED on 03.01.14 11:39

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:Happy New Year Tone, I fully expect your FOI to be fobbed off. 

I am always pleased to see you upset the 'apple cart'...

...and hopefully get rid of a few 'bad apples' in the process...
True Tone. It appears that MBM pre and post her 'vacation' was surrounded by 'bad' apples.

The ego and vanity of some will be their undoing. Either that or they will have an 'accident' at the hands of the special services.

Hi Katie, Hi wee man. I know you read the forums.

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Post by plebgate on 03.01.14 12:01

@IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:Happy New Year Tone, I fully expect your FOI to be fobbed off. 

I am always pleased to see you upset the 'apple cart'.

You are a real thorn in their side.

Cheers.
Seconded.   I hope you get a sensible, clear response Tony, but I very much doubt it.

Thorn in their side indeed.  clapping

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Post by Doug D on 03.01.14 17:05

You could always ask The Sun to ask the questions. It seems it costs less to answer their questions, beneath the financial limit get out clause, even if the questions asked are substantially the same!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.01.14 10:31

The Mayor of London's office has alreday acknowledged my FOI request about Operation Grange:

From: MOPAC Enquiries
Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime

3 January 2014 

  
Thank you for contacting the Mayor's Office for Policing and Crime.

We are dealing with your enquiry and aim to provide a response within 20 working days.

Yours sincerely,

Information Team | Mayor’s Office for Policing and Crime | Telephone 0207 983 6532



The Met Police have not yet done so.

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Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED on 04.01.14 11:18

Morning Tone, Have you heard from SMETHURST or Carter F**k recently ?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 04.01.14 14:25

@IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:Morning Tone, Have you heard from SMETHURST or Carter...

Please be respectful in your language on the forum, even to Carter-Ruck.

I've not heard from either of them since I sent them details of the monthy standing order from my bank to pay Carter-Ruck £125 no later than the 25th of each calendar month, until May 2023

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Post by plebgate on 04.01.14 17:16

and to think they used Maddie's fund to make mortgage repayments  on their home, yet threatened Tony with bankruptcy and loss of his home. 

Come on Madam Judge (Libel Hearing).   A resounding win for Rocky Amaral is needed IMO.

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Post by aiyoyo on 05.01.14 0:23

Pretty straight forward questions.
MET may not see the significance of the questions but no reason why they cant reply to those questions.

Those to the Mayors should be forthcoming I should think within time frame.



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Re: FOI Act questions to the Met and the Mayor of London's office about Operation Grange

Post by Tony Bennett on 01.02.14 7:58

@aiyoyo wrote:Pretty straightforward questions.

MET may not see the significance of the questions but no reason why they can't reply to those questions.

Those to the Mayor should be forthcoming I should think within time frame.

Neither the Met FOI Act officers nor the Mayor of London's FOI Act officers have been able to fulfil the statutory limit of 20 working days for filing a reply to my questions. The limit expired yesterday.

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Post by Guest on 01.02.14 9:29

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Pretty straightforward questions.

MET may not see the significance of the questions but no reason why they can't reply to those questions.

Those to the Mayor should be forthcoming I should think within time frame.

Neither the Met FOI Act officers nor the Mayor of London's FOI Act officers have been able to fulfil the statutory limit of 20 working days for filing a reply to my questions. The limit expired yesterday.

So what happens now. You get to go round and bang heads together? They get summarily fired? A big Monty Python style boot slams down upon them? Or.... nothing?

What's the next step?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 01.02.14 9:36

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Pretty straightforward questions.

MET may not see the significance of the questions but no reason why they can't reply to those questions.

Those to the Mayor should be forthcoming I should think within time frame.

Neither the Met FOI Act officers nor the Mayor of London's FOI Act officers have been able to fulfil the statutory limit of 20 working days for filing a reply to my questions. The limit expired yesterday.

So what happens now. You get to go round and bang heads together? They get summarily fired? A big Monty Python style boot slams down upon them? Or.... nothing?

What's the next step?

One is patient.

One sends them a reminder.

One sends them another reminder.

One writes to the Information Commissioner in Wilmslow, Cheshire.

S/he writes to the Met and reminds them.

You continue to be patient

(To be continued...)

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Post by Guest on 01.02.14 11:07

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Pretty straightforward questions.

MET may not see the significance of the questions but no reason why they can't reply to those questions.

Those to the Mayor should be forthcoming I should think within time frame.

Neither the Met FOI Act officers nor the Mayor of London's FOI Act officers have been able to fulfil the statutory limit of 20 working days for filing a reply to my questions. The limit expired yesterday.

So what happens now. You get to go round and bang heads together? They get summarily fired? A big Monty Python style boot slams down upon them? Or.... nothing?

What's the next step?

One is patient.

One sends them a reminder.

One sends them another reminder.

One writes to the Information Commissioner in Wilmslow, Cheshire.

S/he writes to the Met and reminds them.

You continue to be patient

(To be continued...)

Has you know Tony, patience is a virtue.

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Post by Guest on 01.02.14 11:21

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@Tony Bennett wrote:
@aiyoyo wrote:Pretty straightforward questions.

MET may not see the significance of the questions but no reason why they can't reply to those questions.

Those to the Mayor should be forthcoming I should think within time frame.

Neither the Met FOI Act officers nor the Mayor of London's FOI Act officers have been able to fulfil the statutory limit of 20 working days for filing a reply to my questions. The limit expired yesterday.

So what happens now. You get to go round and bang heads together? They get summarily fired? A big Monty Python style boot slams down upon them? Or.... nothing?

What's the next step?

One is patient.

One sends them a reminder.

One sends them another reminder.

One writes to the Information Commissioner in Wilmslow, Cheshire.

S/he writes to the Met and reminds them.

You continue to be patient

(To be continued...)

Good morning!

Have you considered writing to the European Court at Strassbourg?

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Post by Tony Bennett on 01.02.14 11:36

@Portia wrote:

Have you considered writing to the European Court at Strasbourg?

About what, exactly?

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Post by Guest on 01.02.14 18:19

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Portia wrote:

Have you considered writing to the European Court at Strasbourg?

About what, exactly?

Something along the line of Justice delayed is `Justice denied.

Is there no obligation to reply for these authorities?  What if they just ignore the FOI requests put to them?

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Post by Doug D on 14.02.14 16:58

10th February 2014 – DECISION

Section 14 (1) - Vexatious or repeated requests


Pursuant to the provisions of Section 14(1) of the Freedom of Information 
Act 2000 (the Act) I have decided to refuse your request as it has been
 deemed as a vexatious request.

Vexatious Tony. Surely not.

So they can avoid answering anything which they think might cost too much to reply to or now that ‘causes or tends to cause annoyance’.
Subjective carte blanche to not reply to anything it seems.

What was it the Grange Remit said?

‘The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness’.

We’ve seen a lot of that up to now!

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Post by Guest on 14.02.14 17:57

@Doug D wrote:10th February 2014 – DECISION

Section 14 (1) - Vexatious or repeated requests


Pursuant to the provisions of Section 14(1) of the Freedom of Information 
Act 2000 (the Act) I have decided to refuse your request as it has been
 deemed as a vexatious request.

Vexatious Tony. Surely not.

So they can avoid answering anything which they think might cost too much to reply to or now that ‘causes or tends to cause annoyance’.
Subjective carte blanche to not reply to anything it seems.

What was it the Grange Remit said?

‘The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness’.

We’ve seen a lot of that up to now!

On the Continent you would be in a position to appeal this decision from your Government

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Post by Tony Bennett on 14.02.14 18:40

@Doug D wrote:10th February 2014 – DECISION

Section 14 (1) - Vexatious or repeated requests


Pursuant to the provisions of Section 14(1) of the Freedom of Information 
Act 2000 (the Act) I have decided to refuse your request as it has been
 deemed as a vexatious request.

Vexatious Tony. Surely not.

So they can avoid answering anything which they think might cost too much to reply to or now that ‘causes or tends to cause annoyance’.
Subjective carte blanche to not reply to anything it seems.

What was it the Grange Remit said?

‘The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness’.

We’ve seen a lot of that up to now!
I have the right of appeal to the Information Commissioner - based in Wilmslow, Cheshire - against this decision

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Post by Guest on 14.02.14 18:45

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Doug D wrote:10th February 2014 – DECISION

Section 14 (1) - Vexatious or repeated requests


Pursuant to the provisions of Section 14(1) of the Freedom of Information 
Act 2000 (the Act) I have decided to refuse your request as it has been
 deemed as a vexatious request.

Vexatious Tony. Surely not.

So they can avoid answering anything which they think might cost too much to reply to or now that ‘causes or tends to cause annoyance’.
Subjective carte blanche to not reply to anything it seems.

What was it the Grange Remit said?

‘The ‘investigative review’ will be conducted with transparency, openness and thoroughness’.

We’ve seen a lot of that up to now!
I have the right of appeal to the Information Commissioner - based in Wilmslow, Cheshire - against this decision

Consider with care; then, what you will: DO

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Vexatious Requests

Post by Doug D on 16.02.14 12:05

Yet this was absolutely fine apparently. It causes annoyance to me!

‘Nearly a quarter of all UFO sightings reported to police in England and Wales last year were made in Essex, the Sun on Sunday reports.
According to a Freedom of Information request by the paper, seven out of 31 sightings were made in the county’.
 
Yet again ‘one rule for the Sun’ it seems, in the vain hope that there might be a 'Freddy Starr ate my Hampster' headline type of story somewhere down the line.

I wonder how many FOI requests they wack in on a daily basis.

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