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The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by tigger on 09.01.14 17:12

Châtelaine wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
Do I think the cadaver evidence was planted? No. Do I think the idea is inconceivable? Again, no.

The finding of evidence in both the apartment and the hire car, with the time gap in between, is probably the single most inexplicable aspect of this case. We can only hope that the truth is one day revealed.
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The real reason why IMO Birch is a babbling idiot: claiming that the PJ planted cadaver scent in the hired car to force a confession .... If anything DID complicate this case it's indeed that time gap between disappearance and car rental. And it still seems that the gap can only be closed with a freezer ... Now where have we heard that before?

ETA "snap" Woofer ... :-)

Besides, the residue found in the car indicated a defrosting process according to the laborotory, add to that the dumped fridge entry in the blog and these are all pointing to the same conclusion.
The idea of a bottle of such a substance being easy to produce when one is a doctor is erroneous imo. Then to imagine it was sprinkled in various locations in 5a, as well as on items of clothing of one's dear wife.... No, I can't see it.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by sonic72 on 09.01.14 18:33

The woman in this program, who said she thought the mccanns were 100% innocent, based it on the fact that Gerry had brought notes he had prepared.

He didn't need to bring notes to say what he said in their tv appeal on 04/05/07/, so to me the fact he brought notes indicates he isn't telling the truth. It says to me he was advised what to say, and needed to write it down because it would not come out like that naturally. All very controlled, and designed to prevent them from slipping up. IMO.

Mccanns tv appeal 04/05/07
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxHuwT__URc

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by russiandoll on 09.01.14 18:46

Is this the e mail people are commenting on? I find it hard to believe the articulate woman on t v wrote this. Underlining of poor English mine.
A most excellent reply from Dr Leal to some hatemailing numty:

''I am very well acquainted with the case and I totally disagree that there is "plenty of evidence to say the opposite" ! Unfortunately irresponsible and heartless news reporters made up claims that were simply not true. Despite the fact that these people even admit they told lies ( see for example Leveson enquiry) the rubbish they Initially wrote is what seems to stay in some peoples minds( in psychology we call this ' belief perseverance effect' ) . That , coupled with a Portuguese policeman who has an axe to grind ( because he was sacked for telling lies to the press about the enquiry) still spouting nonsense has not helped. As I said in the program , people also tend to look for the wrong signs when detecting deception. An innocent person who is upset and falsely accused WILL react with nervous/ emotional behaviour. If you can try and think of any time you have been wrongly accused of something , how did you feel?
I have formed my opinion that they are innocent based on the verifiable facts surrounding the case, rather than media conjecture. I am aware this is a contentious case and as such you are not the only person to contact me ; some have cited or attached what they mistakingly believe to be facts ( i.e. that non verbal displays indicate guilt or citing libellous press reports or anecdotal social network lies) .
Best Wishes,
Sharon Leal'

 
 why is there an English spelling of behaviour but the American spelling of program.

Was this what Petermac received? It is abysmal.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by ultimaThule on 09.01.14 19:08

Well done Dr Sharon Leal whose demonstrable lack of objectivity, together with her lamentable lack of professionalism, has brought the science of forensic psychology into disrepute and reduced Portsmouth from a third tier to a fourth rate university.

My advice to Shazza is give consideration to taking a long sabbatical before you render yourself unemployable in your chosen field, and stop the botox before it does any more damage to your brain.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by Doug D on 09.01.14 19:44

Thank you UT,

First good laugh I've had today.


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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by tigger on 09.01.14 19:44

@ultimaThule wrote:Well done Dr Sharon Leal whose demonstrable lack of objectivity, together with her lamentable lack of professionalism, has brought the science of forensic psychology into disrepute and reduced Portsmouth from a third tier to a fourth rate university.

My advice to Shazza is give consideration to taking a long sabbatical before you render yourself unemployable in your chosen field, and stop the botox before it does any more damage to your brain.

Only fourth?  I would peg it somewhere between GCSE  and A level ... nah 

The McCanns lied under oath at the Leveson enquiry. Ms Leal. It was also established that their phones were not hacked.

She seems to get her opinions direct from the  McCann gospel. So a secondary opinion which is of no value.

'Belief perseverance effect' - 'we' call it.  -  she certainly appears to be suffering from it herself.

That unwarranted belief in ' us' the chosen few with a qualification is so like similar remarks dropped by the sainted couple re medical terms.
Perhaps this uncanny belief in their superiority is part of the syllabus.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by Guest on 09.01.14 19:56

I have just realised the whole program was made just to carry that one sentence. The rest was just padding.
It's not as though they showed anything new. Nothing shocking, or outstanding. Nothing we didn't know already.
Except that the MCs are 100% innocent.

And even the botox couldn't hide the "dupers delight" on her face.


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Post by Guest on 09.01.14 20:02

I really think there is no need for the personal remarks about people.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by Gillyspot on 09.01.14 20:07

Saintly Jay posted a link last month regarding a missing children conference held last year. It was in Portsmouth (where Sharon Leal works) & included Missing People & CEOP.  

http://t.co/nyezlUEDyC  You will need to download it but interesting that Leal's University was involved with MP etc last year.

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Leal quoted re McCann couple on the programme

"Leal says: "[Gerry]'s brought out the list of things he must be certain to remember - he won't think that looks suspicious, but a liar might believe that is suspicious." - How might "a liar" believe that is suspicious? Why only a LIAR? Hmm  nah

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The Lying Game -Crimes That Fooled The Foolish Experts.

Post by MRNOODLES on 09.01.14 20:12

@Doug D wrote:Posted at the bottom is ITV's response to my precis of my complaint about the programme.
I mentioned the ‘brilliant experts’ being so knowledgeable with the benefit of hindsight, Sharons '100% innocent' declaration, with nothing to back this up, no comment about body language, facial expressions or anything, other than that he is reading from a script, which is the positive sign apparently and that she does not even explain what they are 100% innocent of!
In the context of the programme it seems to be a complete misfit unless some proper analysis is carried out with full explanations, but this does not happen.
Apparent lack of research into the McCann’s body language over the last seven years, nobody knows what the McCann’s are innocent or guilty of up to now, much speculation, but nothing has been tested in a Court of Law, all cases to date being settled out of court.
This seems to be irresponsible journalism of the highest order, especially with the Amaral libel trial still continuing in Portugal at the present time, the outcome of which could possibly be swayed by your programme.
With the further revelations today of the apparent links between the McCann’s and the production company, as a viewer I am disappointed that such a biased and inappropriate point of view should pass through your editorial team for broadcast and that such a dogmatic declaration that they are innocent should be hoisted on the accepting viewing public, most of whom would not appreciate that the statement made no reference to any particular event and would take it at face value.
An apology to viewers, explaining what on earth Dr Teal was talking about, together with a better researched programme, with a more balanced viewpoint would seem appropriate in the not too distant future.

They reply as follows:

Thank you for contacting ITV and your comments on the programme The Lying Game -Crimes That Fooled Britain.
The programme was about criminals who fooled the police and public into thinking that they were not suspects in crimes that they were later convicted for.  The programme featured a number of experts who specialise in examining 'the science of lying'.  These experts pointed out tell-tale signs of lying that betrayed convicted liars such as Ian Huntley and Stuart Hazell.  
In the part of the programme that referred to the McCanns, the expert Sharon Leal, described a number of people such as the McCanns who were, at times, considered to be suspects.  Leal goes on to say "There's been a lot of controversy about whether or not the McCanns are innocent or guilty.  My point of view is that they are 100% innocent."  Leal clearly expresses this point as her opinion.  Furthermore it has been confirmed by the investigating authorities that the McCanns are no longer considered suspects.
We are therefore satisfied that we have complied with our legal and regulatory obligations in relation to this programme.

LMAO Somebody should remind them this caper happen in Portugal. And advise them to have a look at the Portuguese Crime Watch Special.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by Guest on 09.01.14 20:12

dantezebu wrote:I have just realised the whole program was made just to carry that one sentence. The rest was just padding..


I think you're right.

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Post by Daisy on 09.01.14 20:16

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dantezebu wrote:I have just realised the whole program was made just to carry that one sentence. The rest was just padding..


I think you're right.
It's certainly looking that way.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by tigger on 09.01.14 20:17

dantezebu wrote:I have just realised the whole program was made just to carry that one sentence. The rest was just padding.
It's not as though they showed anything new. Nothing shocking, or outstanding. Nothing we didn't know already.
Except that the MCs are 100% innocent.

And even the botox couldn't hide the "dupers delight" on her face.


Yes you're right I'm sure.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by bobbin on 09.01.14 20:59

@tigger wrote:
dantezebu wrote:I have just realised the whole program was made just to carry that one sentence. The rest was just padding.
It's not as though they showed anything new. Nothing shocking, or outstanding. Nothing we didn't know already.
Except that the MCs are 100% innocent.

And even the botox couldn't hide the "dupers delight" on her face.


Yes you're right I'm sure.  
I've been out today and spent the last 4 hours catching up with everything.
Here is the summation however of 'fear'.
Who made the programme...SHINE....Who owns, runs, works for SHINE....the murdoch gang
When was it delivered....the night of the Libel Trial summation.....EXCEPT that this was delayed too late for the programme to be pulled.
Who is involved.... Missing Persons.... Jo Youle / Kate McCann
Which University developing the 'technology'.... Manchester Metropolitan University....where PIKE also went.
Enough already.....yes, one elaborate 'coat hanger' to 're-package the anticipated failure in the libel courts', an elaborate act of mega proportions, no surprise..... it's been the case all along.
Ms. Leal, I thought her impressive, interesting, news-breaking, until I realised that she was NONE of this.
Shame on her, to compromise herself so....
In spite of all of the above, the BIGGER PICTURE is this,
TRUTH will find its way out.
The PJ will have little appetite for being screwed over again and will hopefully this time, set their dignity and that of their beautiful country on a pedestal again.
We, the questionning populace, who are now globally in the millions, will not rest until this whole sordid affair is 'un-covered'.
May Ms. Leal keep taking whatever medicine she needs to keep that smile on her face, she's going to need it when the truth finally bursts this toxic boil.


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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by Guest on 09.01.14 21:09

candyfloss wrote:I really think there is no need for the personal remarks about people.

Sorry. Just a little annoyed back there
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Post by Guest on 09.01.14 21:14

dantezebu wrote:
candyfloss wrote:I really think there is no need for the personal remarks about people.

Sorry. Just a little annoyed back there
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No worries dantezebu,  roses  it wasn't just your remark, there were others.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by aiyoyo on 09.01.14 21:20

@bobbin wrote:
May Ms. Leal keep taking whatever medicine she needs to keep that smile on her face, she's going to need it when the truth finally bursts this toxic boil.



She'd apparently forgotten to retrieve her brain from home freezer before coming on and then screwed up big time with her remark forgetting the programme is about "The Lying Game : Crimes that fooled Britain".

She's probably already on antihistamine. big grin 

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by brixham on 09.01.14 21:53

I have just watched the programme and Dantezebu, that was my opinion too - the whole programme shown just to get that message across. As there are currently two police forces investigating the disappearance of MM, how can Ms Leal be allowed to state that the Mccanns are 100% innocent?
Anyway, adding unnecessary embellishments ( ie 100% or emphatic) is so obviously a ploy used by liars :-).
So the Mcs are innocent because GM read from a list (?), OK so where are the other examples of people doing this and then being proven innocent? IMO I  have seen the Mcs displaying most of the lying signals show on this programme. 
The whole thing was a stitch up and the timing stinks too.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by roy rovers on 09.01.14 22:16

Dr Sharon Leal can be added to the list of those whose lives have been ruined by the McCanns though in her case it's her professional life and it's still to happen when the truth comes out. Poor dear - she'll just have to tough it out until then like the rest.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by PeterMac on 09.01.14 23:34

"100% innocent"

Begs the question - Of what ?
It seems that Dr Leal is talking about Murder.
In which case I think most people can agree with her.
But what does "100%" actually MEAN ?

Can you be 93 % innocent of a crime
81 % innocent,
44.256% guilty

And is she talking solely about Murder, or about lying, altering statements, child neglect, abandonment, and a long list of other things which they have freely admitted to

Why do people who profess to academic excellence then foul up by talking rubbish ?

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by bobbin on 09.01.14 23:50

@PeterMac wrote:"100% innocent"

Begs the question - Of what ?
It seems that Dr Leal is talking about Murder.
In which case I think most people can agree with her.  
But what does "100%"  actually MEAN ?

Can you be 93 % innocent of a crime
81 % innocent,
44.256% guilty

And is she talking solely about Murder, or about lying, altering statements, child neglect, abandonment, and a long list of other things which they have freely admitted to

Why do people who profess to academic excellence then foul up by talking rubbish ?
Why do we think that 'academic excellence' means sensible, wise, intelligent ? It more often means 'limited' to a specific field of knowledge, 'blinkered' as in focussed only on a specific area, 'myopic' as in unable to see the bigger picture'  sarcastic

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by aiyoyo on 10.01.14 0:36

@bobbin wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:"100% innocent"

Begs the question - Of what ?
It seems that Dr Leal is talking about Murder.
In which case I think most people can agree with her.  
But what does "100%"  actually MEAN ?

Can you be 93 % innocent of a crime
81 % innocent,
44.256% guilty

And is she talking solely about Murder, or about lying, altering statements, child neglect, abandonment, and a long list of other things which they have freely admitted to

Why do people who profess to academic excellence then foul up by talking rubbish ?
Why do we think that 'academic excellence' means sensible, wise, intelligent ? It more often means 'limited' to a specific field of knowledge, 'blinkered' as in focussed only on a specific area, 'myopic' as in unable to see the bigger picture'  sarcastic

This lady errmm...woman should stay focused on that one field she's skilled at and apply her limited to that field knowledge wisely instead of trying to do her maths.

17% not guilty of neglecting the children
33% not guilty of hiding the cadaver
15.5% not guilty of lying
20.25% not guilty of  murder
14.25% not crying crocodile tears
= 100% innocent.

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by jeanmonroe on 10.01.14 0:56

I have formed my opinion that they are innocent based on the verifiable facts surrounding the case, rather than media conjecture.
Best Wishes,
Sharon Leal
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Really?
VERIFIABLE FACTS?

Is it a 'fact' that Madeleine McCann 'was abducted'?

Would Dr Leal like to share with us that THAT is a verifiable 'fact'?

Would Dr Leal like to show us her proof that an 'abduction' did indeed take place?

Just one tiny bit of verifiable 'evidence' will suffice.

Not 'hearsay' or 'what only the McCanns said' but in your face concrete, verifiable facts that an 'abduction' did take place.

Shouldn't be to hard for someone who is so 'very well acquainted with the case' to produce, i would have thought.

Dr Leal has also said 'some have cited or attached what they mistakingly believe to be facts'

So we all mistaken when we all saw, and heard GM state 'I think the worst thing is, we, kind of, almost thought about not going and, errm... and did. We weren't sure we were going to get into the Tapas'

When it is an verifiable FACT that he had a table pre- booked all week for him and his friends!

So we were all mistaken when we read in KM's book 'that Gerry crossed the street to chat with Jez Wilkins'

When Jez Wilkins has stated, under threat of prosecution under UK and Portuguese law, if he has stated something that is untrue, that it was HIM 'that crossed the street to chat to GM standing right outside the gateway to apartment 5A' from where GM had just exited

And produced a rather 'hurtful and unhelpful' diagram to SHOW exactly where he was when chatting to GM,

Now THAT is a verifiable FACT, Dr Leal.

But you already knew that, didn't you, being as you are 'so very well aquainted with the case'?

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Re: The Lying Game: Crimes That Fooled Britain .... Tuesday, January 7th, 2014 - ITV at 9:00pm,

Post by jeanmonroe on 10.01.14 1:17

I wonder why the McCanns didn't have Dr Leal on their list of expenses paid for 'witnesses' for their libel trial 'evidence'

THE JUDGE WOULD HAVE BEEN TOTALLY IN AWE OF HER EXPERTISE AND WOULD HAVE GRANTED THE MCCANNS CLAIM IN FULL AGAINST GA. NO IF'S NO BUTS. WITH DR LEAL'S ASSERTION THAT THE MCCANNS WERE 100% INNOCENT THE JUDGE WOULD HAVE NOT HAD ANY OTHER OPTION THAN TO HAVE GIVEN A JUDGEMENT IN THEIR FAVOUR.

AND WE COULD HAVE ALL GONE 'HOME'!

Dr Leal didn't, it seems, need to read the PJ files, she justs KNOWS they are 100% innocent, but oddly dosen't provide a scintilla of evidence that they are 100% innocent of anything.

Just exactly WHAT, in your opinion, are they 100% innocent of, Dr Leal?

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