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Spy Plane Clue to Maddie Mystery - Express 15/12/13

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Post by PeterMac on 15.12.13 8:39

Cherry Blossom wrote:
The quality of pictures taken by satellites in space is now so good they can reputedly identify the colour of someone’s eyes.

In the dark ?

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Post by Seek truth on 15.12.13 8:53

"On Monday Kate was close to tears at a service at St Martin-in-the-Fields church in London arranged by the charity Missing People, for whom she is an ambassador."

There you go, as they say CLOSE to tears But NOT 'IN' TEARS !

The papers know she doesn't cry, like a mother would, is this normal? Not just for her but for Both of them to act strange?

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Post by PeterMac on 15.12.13 8:55

Nothing like this story then. From the Express, but dated 2009
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/134657/SATELLITE-CLUE-TO-MADDIE-KIDNAP
SATELLITE CLUE TO MADDIE KIDNAP

HOME Secretary Alan Johnson is prepared to ask US spy chiefs for satellite images which may show the face of Madeleine McCann’s kidnapper, following intervention by the Sunday Express.

By: James Murray Published: Sun, October 18, 2009

Hope of new progress came after it emerged Leicestershire Police never made a formal request to the Home Office for views of Praia da Luz on Portugal’s Algarve at the time the little girl vanished in May 2007.
The quality of pictures taken by satellites in space is now so good they can reputedly identify the colour of someone’s eyes.
Last night a senior source with the Portuguese police said: “We know US spy satellites regularly sweep over Portugal looking at military installations and government facilities
“So we thought they might actually have images of Praia da Luz on the day of the kidnapping and the preceding days.
“We hoped spy images may have captured the kidnapper watching the apartment prior to the event or even on the day itself. Obviously, having a picture would have speeded up the apprehension of the offender.”
Google Earth view from where Madeleine was snatched
Yet more than two years after Madeleine was snatched no help has been forthcoming, despite early requests from senior Portuguese detectives.
The Portuguese source explained: “This was fully discussed with Leicestershire Police and officials with the British Government.
“We were confident of getting progress because of Gordon Brown’s interest in the case and this apparent special relationship between Britain and the United States.
“Your ambassador to Portugal even visited our officers soon after the kidnap.
“The bad news for us is that we got nowhere with this avenue of inquiry, which was both frustrating and infuriating.”
For, despite all the talk, nothing appears to have been done officially with the British government and the formal requests were never made.
Last night a spokesman for Mr Johnson said extensive checks within the security intelligence community had failed to discover any formal request ever having come to them through Leicestershire Police from Portugal.
However, he said that if a request were now made Mr Johnson would see whether he could offer any assistance in trying to persuade the Americans to become co-operative.
The issue appears so sensitive that Prime Minister Mr Brown may have to speak directly to US President Barack Obama in order to achieve co-operation.
The Sunday Express sought explanations for the extraordinary situation from the US government’s ultra- secretive National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency.
The agency’s lawyers are now considering a Freedom of Information request from the Sunday Express.
A spokesman for the agency said: “NGA does not provide imagery to private citizens or private companies. For reasons of national security we do not discuss specifics about what images we have or our capabilities.”
Private investigators working for parents Kate and Gerry McCann, who live in Rothley, Leicestershire, have also tried to access US satellite images, but with no success.


How does a satellite tell the colour of your eyes, unless you are looking UP ?
Do these people not relaise that this is nonsense

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Post by bobbin on 15.12.13 8:59

@russiandoll wrote:
 
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Whatever you were trying to say, I think the above speaks for itself.

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Post by Mike on 15.12.13 9:02

@PeterMac wrote:How does a satellite tell the colour of your eyes, unless you are looking UP ?

Maybe Gerry was thinking "This is a piece of cake" and then did this  Rolling Eyes just as the satellite took his picture  Laughing

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Post by PeterMac on 15.12.13 9:06

And then look at the "Expert" Burden
http://www.theanomalieschannel.com/archive/cni-news/CNI.0990.html
Britons awoke to sensational news headlines on Monday, April 27, 1998. "24,000 MPH UFO BUZZES BRITAIN" said the Daily Mail. "RAF SPOTS SPEEDING UFOs WITH NEW RADAR" said the London Daily Express. Other papers and TV news ran similar stories.
Citing unnamed sources within the RAF, the British press reported that sensitive new radars at RAF Fylingdales had tracked a "battleship-sized" triangular UFO over the North Sea. Reportedly, the Dutch Air Force also tracked the mystery behemoth. The same UFO was later observed heading out over the Atlantic Ocean, according to the Daily Mail.
Immediate efforts by several British UFO researchers to confirm the story were met with firm denials by RAF spokesmen, who stated that the apparent source of the story was a disgruntled and unreliable former RAF employee named Philip Burden.
However, at least one British news reporter involved in the story assured UFO researcher Graham Birdsall, editor of UFO (UK) magazine, that the main source of the story was not Burden but a reliable RAF insider.
Meanwhile, other UK investigators proposed that the story was intentionally planted to head off discovery of top-secret, super-advanced military aircraft thought to be flying from several British military bases.
At week's end, as this issue of CNI News goes to press, the RAF-UFO story remains unresolved, with several competing theories in play.
Here are excerpts from the April 27 story in the Daily Mail, followed by a sample of commentary from several UK researchers.
According to Science Correspondent David Derbyshire of the Daily Mail:
"The RAF has tracked a UFO 'as big as a battleship' off the coast of Britain, military sources revealed yesterday. They said the massive craft was tracked flying in a zig-zag pattern at 17,000 mph over the North Sea. It then accelerated to 24,000 mph and zoomed off towards the Atlantic.
"The Dutch air force also tracked the UFO, but two F-16 fighters scrambled to intercept the object were unable to keep up, it is claimed.

"Mr. Patterson said that 'the only truthful part' that appeared in the press was that concerning the staging of a space seminar. The UFO angle, and everything connected with it, was not true, he said.
"The story had been concocted by a former MoD employee, whom he named as PHILIP BURDEN.
"'He was employed as a civilian within the MoD in London, but he left under a cloud,' said Mr. Patterson.

"I am reliably informed that since leaving RAF News, Philip Burden has provided the media with several stories, originating from his time spent while editor of that publication, and for which he was paid.
Which I think just about sums it up.
I wonder how much the Fund paid him this time.

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Post by bobbin on 15.12.13 9:07

@Daisy wrote:
@bobbin wrote:
No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Perish the thought that I'm being paranoid but I feel sure that if any identifiable photos existed - and they were not of greasy, spotty foreigners but of some well-known individuals - they would have gone to the great paper shredder in the sky even more quickly than a polite question is removed from the McCann Facebook page.
Am just off to bed but I go laughing. I just love your cynical irony or should that be ironic cynicism  Mrs 

It's a bit of both I reckon. But hey, folks of a certain age are allowed a bit of cynicism I say. Now I'm off to bed before NFWTD chucks a spear me.   big grin 

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And gobble up samples in shops and press alarm bells
And run my stick along the public railings
And make up for the sobriety of my youth.
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We must have friends to dinner and read the papers.

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Photo from a satellite, showing the exact moment of the Abduction

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Post by jd on 15.12.13 9:33

It could just all be a hologram.....

Are we living in a HOLOGRAM? Physicists believe our universe could just be a projection of another cosmos
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2522482/Is-universe-hologram-Physicists-believe-live-projection.html

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Post by chillyheat on 15.12.13 9:42

If anyone believes a spy plane may have the answer, then they really do need to step away from this mystery....
This is the dumbest shit Ive ever seen

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Post by chillyheat on 15.12.13 9:44

@tigger wrote:The McCann affair is, for the press at least, the gift that keeps on giving.  From the start it was no longer about a little girl of four (although three sounds more exciting? )  but  about the down-trodden life-saving parents in a foreign land (which - against all psychological  indicatorsthey were curiously reluctant to leave).

Apart from that :
It has  everything, legal paedo interest in what 'happened' to the child which was imagined and written about even by her mother.  It allows the press to revive past cases with detailed abuse, porn for the masses.
It has the fairy tale interest, the Harry Potter link and belief in magic.
It has the  belief in science such as Birch, the spy plane, GPS, CSI, making it just another  TV series .

It ceased to be about Maddie long ago, printing her picture  now sets up a Pavlovian reaction in the reading public. Which is why the same one is used every time.
MoonGoddess, you said some time ago that it seemed to be a huge psychological  experiment. You may be right, it's certainly become one with the help of SY imo.

By the way, the PJ requested such images many years ago. Please don't tell me that it took SY two  years  and seven months to think of it.     sad

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Post by PeterMac on 15.12.13 10:06

@tigger wrote:
It ceased to be about Maddie long ago, printing her picture  now sets up a Pavlovian reaction in the reading public. Which is why the same one is used every time.

That is a hugely significant point.   She is a "product" and cannot therefore be changed without public outcry.and massive LOSS OF SALES
Look at Marathon / Snickers, New flavour Coke, of Coke in the white can, and Post Office / Consignia when they tried.

The three years old blonde Madeleine is the icon, the reason for the donations. A 10 year old brunette is not the same.

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Post by The Rooster on 15.12.13 10:08


Gerry: Ask the Spy Plane (smirk) Sandra.

Sandra: Ask the Spy Plane? No Gerry. Now I feel free to ask you, don't you feel free to answer me?

Gerry: I can tell you that we have also looked at evidence about (haha) Spy Planes and they are incredibly 
unreliable.

Sandra: Unreliable?

Gerry: Spy Planes yes. That's what the evidence shows, if they are tested scientifically.

McCann you should be on stage you muppet.

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Post by Guest on 15.12.13 10:09

@ChillyHeat wrote:If anyone believes a spy plane may have the answer, then they really do need to step away from this mystery....
This is the dumbest shit Ive ever seen

Like everything else in this story, WHAT ARE THE CHANCES?

Although I suppose the thick as pigshit readership of the Express are now thinking that getting spied upon by NATO every hour of the day and night is actually a good thing. So the story served one of its purposes.

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Post by Guest on 15.12.13 10:30

I just read a nice comment somewhere: of course it's an "exclusive". No one else was daft and desperate enough enough to run this ...



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Post by jd on 15.12.13 11:13

@The Rooster wrote:
Gerry: Ask the Spy Plane (smirk) Sandra.

Sandra: Ask the Spy Plane? No Gerry. Now I feel free to ask you, don't you feel free to answer me?

Gerry: I can tell you that we have also looked at evidence about (haha) Spy Planes and they are incredibly 
unreliable.

Sandra: Unreliable?

Gerry: Spy Planes yes. That's what the evidence shows, if they are tested scientifically.

McCann you should be on stage you muppet.

Maybe the spy plane is one of obamba's drones?

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Post by aiyoyo on 15.12.13 11:18

@tigger wrote:
By the way, the PJ requested such images many years ago. Please don't tell me that it took SY two  years  and seven months to think of it.     sad

Well,.....what can I say....!
You better believe nothing, anything, and everything is not beyond the realm of possibility where the Yard is concerned.
If (make it a big one) SY ever tracked down those guys, might Redwood ask them to drop into his Plush Belgravia Office bringing along the outfits as seen in the images, requiring them to change into those outfits, pose for photoshoot for publicity purpose....and et voila the birth of 'spyman' or ('antman' aerial view) a al style 007 Red Wood will be breaking news on BBC as another of Redwood revelation moment!

To add texture and flavour to the story, Redwood might come up with some e-fits of stray captured on the satellite (several thousands feet away as the crow flies), urging the public to phone the hotline if they ever recall seeing those stray dogs.

Another deadpan announcement  on the way .......?

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Post by mysterion on 15.12.13 12:03

@ChillyHeat wrote:If anyone believes a spy plane may have the answer, then they really do need to step away from this mystery....
This is the dumbest shit Ive ever seen

Agreed. When I saw the headline, my initial reaction was the spy plane might be another piece in the bigger jigsaw of what was really going on the Algarve on May 3. Then I remembered that the British press are only concerned with the disappearance event and nothing else.

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Post by MoonGoddess on 15.12.13 12:24

Spot the difference...

2009:-

Last night a senior source with the Portuguese police said: “We know US spy satellites regularly sweep over Portugal looking at military installations and government facilities.
“So we thought they might actually have images of Praia da Luz on the day of the kidnapping and the preceding days.

Call me dumb [or deranged by falling so deep into this PSYOP] but doesn't that imply there are 'military installations' and 'government facilities' in Luz  spin 

2013:-

A Portuguese military aircraft took photos of the Algarve coastline on the day the three-year-old dis­appeared, says British military expert Philip Burden.
..."It was on a Nato training exercise and had been used on similar missions over other European countries at other times."..."I'm told that there were a number of low-level passes over the resort as part of a lengthy photo reconnaissance training mission. Although the light was fading, people and buildings could be clearly seen."

The one thing that I have been certain of for some time now is, that this was not your average British family group on vacation together [“I'm not here to enjoy myself”] there was a purpose behind that 'trip'..... and maybe that was of interest to the security services....


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Post by Guest on 15.12.13 13:08

@bristow wrote:I can remember about two years ago someone posting on here about a photograph or satellite photograph of two people carrying something on the beach towards the rocks at PDL, they posted the photograph, it was interesting as it was taken at the time of the shenanigans and the two people were dead ringers for Kate and Gerry.
How interesting. Does anyone have a link to this thread/picture?

I'm loathe to dismiss this report as errant nonsense. Amaral obviously believes such photos exist and was waiting - futilely - for their arrival. It appears that a formal request for the pictures was never made either from the Leicestershire police to the government, or from the government to the US. So the blockage was on the UK side. Again. If such pictures exist, could they provide the missing evidence needed to nail the culprits?

If SY have now decided to persue this route, could this mean the powers that be are no longer protecting the McCanns in the way I believe they have been?

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Post by tigger on 15.12.13 13:27

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Whatever you were trying to say, I think the above speaks for itself.

Whenever I see such a picture I can't help thinking: 'would I lend either of them a fiver?'

In the case of Kate, yes, although I'd doubt I'd get it back.

In the case of Gerry,no! I'd know for sure I'd never see that fiver back again.

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Post by Guest on 15.12.13 13:49

@tigger wrote:
@bobbin wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:
 
    apologies, can't place another image with this and no delete button, so the post wont make sense....... please ignore !
Whatever you were trying to say, I think the above speaks for itself.

Whenever I see such a picture I can't  help thinking: 'would I lend either of them a fiver?'  

In the case of Kate, yes, although I'd doubt I'd get it back.

In the case of Gerry,no! I'd know for sure I'd never see that fiver back again.

And what an eerie picture again.


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Post by PeterMac on 15.12.13 13:58

@tigger wrote:
@bobbin wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:
 
Whenever I see such a picture I can't  help thinking: 'would I lend either of them a fiver?'  
In the case of Kate, yes, although I'd doubt I'd get it back.
In the case of Gerry,no! I'd know for sure I'd never see that fiver back again.

IF I could be sure I would never hear of them, or see them again, ever, I would raise that to £ 20.
And think it very good value.

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Post by Hopespringseternal on 15.12.13 14:12

It has just dawned on me who K reminds me of in that picture. She looks like Michael Jackson (in his later years) around the mouth, nose + , to a slight degree, about the eyes.

Contributes nothing to the discussion, but it had been bugging me! smilie

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Post by russiandoll on 15.12.13 14:33

@PeterMac wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@bobbin wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:
 
Whenever I see such a picture I can't  help thinking: 'would I lend either of them a fiver?'  
In the case of Kate, yes, although I'd doubt I'd get it back.
In the case of Gerry,no! I'd know for sure I'd never see that fiver back again.

IF I could be sure I would never hear of them, or see them again, ever, I would raise that to £ 20.
And think it very good value.



              

   Did it finally....the French magazine looks like it says on the right " L'insupportable souffrance " The unbearable suffering,,,they have moved heaven and earth to find their daughter"

 then I thought of the e fits which were hidden for years, and I looked at them again and at this photo of Gerry, and again thought well, well....of course I doubt any spy plane photos could show such detail, but it would help clear up Smithman if it could !!







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