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Post by Guest on 17.12.13 20:07

@tigger wrote:
@Woofer wrote:I`m not sure about psychopaths not being creative - remember they are renowned for being manipulative which requires creativity.  For example they had the creativity to say that Sean was eating sea bass and the `why didn`t you come when Sean and I were crying`.    Hardly ingenious I know - or it wouldn`t have been so transparent.

That 's  what I mean, their lies are infantile. Think of the excuses re the car, just like the cookie jar example.

Been good enough to keep them out of chokey so far though haven't they, so who is the fooler and who the fooled?

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Post by tigger on 17.12.13 20:27

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@tigger wrote:
@Woofer wrote:I`m not sure about psychopaths not being creative - remember they are renowned for being manipulative which requires creativity.  For example they had the creativity to say that Sean was eating sea bass and the `why didn`t you come when Sean and I were crying`.    Hardly ingenious I know - or it wouldn`t have been so transparent.

That 's  what I mean, their lies are infantile. Think of the excuses re the car, just like the cookie jar example.

Been good enough to keep them out of chokey so far though haven't they, so who is the fooler and who the fooled?

We are here partly because the explanations don't add up. They haven't fooled you or me - they are a PR's nightmare.

Their latest offering in court is so thin that it's embarrassing.

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Post by ultimaThule on 17.12.13 21:53

@tigger wrote:A question:  are psychopaths ever original thinkers?  I believe it's next to impossible for them to construct an original plan. They will commit crimes, minor and major but apart from using lies and subterfuge are not even good at hiding their crimes.
E.g. I ate all the cookies I'll just say I wasn't there, someone else did it, I saw them.

They want: they take.   There is simply no mechanism to stop themselves. Their lies are so transparant, they're almost child-like.
'You've  got cookie crumbs and chocolate on your face'
'I was cleaning the floor and wiped my face'  

Psychopaths imo cannot be succesful criminals on their own.  They need expert help to plan any crime more complicated than an opportunistic smash and grab raid.
They cannot display remorse and pity. If they commit murder they can only feel pity for themselves. For being treated badly and can have an everlasting hatred of those who have put  them in this position.

Think of a human being - take away reason and accountability .... and  you have a psychopath.


Think of a human being - take away what we consider to be 'a conscience': moral scruple, guilt, remorse, and the ability to empathise with others and feel shame if you do them wrong - and you have a psychopath.

Although under represented in mental health institutions as they are rarely diagnosed as, or considered to be, criminally insane and over-represented in the prison population where it's believed some 25% or more have this disorder/genetic defect, psychopaths flourish in all levels of society, including the higher eschelons.

The most successful learn to mimic emotions which they are not capable of feeing and many are drawn to professions such as the law, finance, medicine, etc, where being clinically detached from human emotion can be a distinct advantage.

This disorder/genetic/physical defect in itself does not inhibit intelligence and those of low intelligence can be as cunning and resourceful as the more generously endowed of their brethren/sistren, albeit they are more like to be discovered when committing their deceits.  

We all know a psychopath, if not several - they may be a relative, friend, neighbour, boss, workmate etc. . I've encountered many, some highly dangerous and others of the more common garden variety.  However, no psychopath should ever be regarded as harmless as they all possess the ability to wreak untold damage on others, including those who would be their nearest and dearest if they were able to feel human emotion.

When watching pyschopaths out of the corner of my eye when they are in respose, I've observed that they are never 'still', never able to fully relax 'in the moment'.   It's as if cogs continue to turn in their brains 24/7 in a constant quest to fuel their egos with thoughts and deeds which convince them of their innate superiority over those they consider to be their inferiors, i.e everyone except themselves.   It seems to me that contentment is also an emotion or state of mind which eludes them.

Another common trait is their inability to take direction or criticism, even of the most constructive type; the more intelligent among them mask this deficit but it's recorded in their books of memory with the intention of seeking redress, if not revenge, at a future date - the most brilliant and successful of this 'species' are more than capable of waiting until the dish is cold before savouring it.  

This is an interesting article http://www.livescience.com/13083-criminals-brain-neuroscience-ethics.html and it's my understanding that similar studies are currently being carried out at UCL.

This is a longer but equally informative read www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopath.htm and I recommend Hervey Cleckley's seminal work for those who have an interest in the subject.

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Re: Article from Psychology today

Post by Mariita on 17.12.13 22:50

The Narcissist's Playbook for Grief


We are all familiar with The Narcissist's Handbook of Romance, but recently, an exciting discovery in the locked steamer trunk of a recently deceased card-carrying narcissist uncovered a rare, slim, yellowed volume of instructions entitled, The Narcissist's Playbook for Grief. Unfortunately, the musty pages were water damaged and began to disintegrate upon inspection, but we were able to salvage several partial passages for scientific evaluation.

Obviously written by a fellow narcissist, the playbook offers atrocious advice to its members, which may account for why so many suspects of crimes we have observed over the years have behaved in such inappropriate ways. For example, the Handbook recommends the following activities upon learning that your loved one has "disappeared" or died:


  • Obstruct the investigation by obtaining defense counsel immediately, refuse a polygraph, demand a search warrant, and immediately become unavailable and incommunicado, even if that means residing in a Motel 6 or living in your vehicle until the heat dies down.




  • Be sure to keep in touch with your star "witnesses" by continuing to call them, even during vigils, funerals, press conferences, and interviews. They will be particularly sympathetic to your plight if you maintain the role of victim.




  • Keep your appearance impeccable by insisting on manicures, a new wardrobe, makeovers, and hair coloring.




  • Always keep on hand a sizeable amount of cash to avoid having to go to banks or use your credit cards that would leave a paper trail of your purchases.




  • Liquidate the missing (or dead) loved one's property wherever feasible for ready cash or to replace it with something for yourself. You deserve it.




  • Enjoy your life! Eat, drink and be merry! Continue your recreational pursuits. You are entitled to the finest things in life. Your missing/dead loved one would not want you to mope.




  • Remodel the loved one's room into a den or extra storage space as soon as possible. There is no reason for that room to go to waste or become a shrine.




  • Have friends and family organize fund-raisers for the investigation with all the proceeds going to your private account to which you have easy access.
    Treat yourself to a vacation and some new jewelry as a reward for your psychological stress.




  • When you suspect you are being targeted as the offending party, or just before a court-ordered appearance, book a flight to South America, Mexico, Canada, or France, or anywhere extradition will be difficult. You can safely enjoy your well-deserved freedom for years.




  • Conduct selected interviews with carefully crafted questions and answers that emphasize your innocence. Should you be camera-shy, hire a public relations specialist to speak on your behalf, or enlist your brother-in-law to take up your cause in News Groups.




  • Last, but not least, hire Mark Geragos as your criminal defense attorney. This will signal your absolute, factual innocence to the public.



Couldn't help but see some similarities with the McCann behaviour. It says 'narcissists playbook for grief', as there is a thin line between psycho/sociopath and narcissism (all belonging to the antisocial disorders) I'm sure this 'advice' suits a certain couple. 

Taken from Cameron Brown blogspot. Another horrible story about a little girl. Completely different from what we know about Madeleine, but the parent's behaviour fitting the same pattern. 

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Re: Article from Psychology today

Post by Guest on 19.12.13 9:24

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.channel4.com/programmes/psychopath-night/4od

A recent Channel 4 programme on the subject of psychopaths.


We watched that, it was very interesting. There is a test you can take to see where you are on the psychopath scale and another to see if you can spot psychopaths: I am 12% psychopath and got 6 out of 7 spotting the psychopaths. Mr Poe freaked out because he is at 52% on the scale - he's half psycho  sarcastic 

Click here for the tests.

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Post by chillyheat on 19.12.13 9:40

21 %  big grin 

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Post by Guest on 19.12.13 9:53

@ChillyHeat wrote:21 %  big grin 

45% here although I thought the little write up was quite fair.

Is it true that if you get 100% it just says "Hi, Gerry"?

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Post by bobbin on 19.12.13 9:53

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No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.channel4.com/programmes/psychopath-night/4od

A recent Channel 4 programme on the subject of psychopaths.


We watched that, it was very interesting. There is a test you can take to see where you are on the psychopath scale and another to see if you can spot psychopaths: I am 12% psychopath and got 6 out of 7 spotting the psychopaths. Mr Poe freaked out because he is at 52% on the scale - he's half psycho  sarcastic 

Click here for the tests.
18 % psychopath and 3/7. I think that makes me a typical walkover in terms of being manipulated by socio-paths. In fact, where's the surprise, I was married to one and always confused by him for too many years to count. But even walkovers can re-learn and get to see the light, that's the advantage, but 3/7 is still bad judgement...New Year's Resolution... must work on that.  big grin 

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Post by chillyheat on 19.12.13 10:01

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:21 %  big grin 

45% here although I thought the little write up was quite fair.

Is it true that if you get 100% it just says "Hi, Gerry"?

 big grin  Good one

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Post by Penfold on 19.12.13 10:06

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:21 %  big grin 

45% here although I thought the little write up was quite fair.

Is it true that if you get 100% it just says "Hi, Gerry"?

 big grin  big grin  - I am 33% psycho, and couldn't recognise one if I fell over him! [2/7correct]

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Post by Cristobell on 19.12.13 10:22

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:http://www.channel4.com/programmes/psychopath-night/4od

A recent Channel 4 programme on the subject of psychopaths.



I watched that NFWTD, and it made interesting viewing. So much related to the McCanns, the risk taking stood out - we are seeing that now with the libel trial in Lisbon, I really cannot fathom why they went ahead with it, and I wonder if they over ruled the advice of their legal advisors, I'm guessing they did, they like to be in control.

As for the grandiosity, there are so many examples. 'A Madeleine Day for the Whole World' springs to mind, and their need to get EVERYONE looking for Madeleine - not themselves obviously.

Blaming others. Where do I start? lol. The first policemen on the scene, Goncalo Amaral, the people of PDL, the haters on the internet, Theresa May's fluffy words, the nasty newspapers, etc, etc.

No Remorse. 'Do you blame yourselves?' - Of course not, we blame everyone else.

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How to access UK television from abroad

Post by geoffobrien99 on 19.12.13 10:40

I saw a comment about someone not being able to access a television program as they are in France

BBC I player blocks anyone from outside the UK from accessing it & this is also the same with other TV stations
They do this by checking your ISP which are issued by country

There is a way round this but it will cost somewhere in the region of £50 a year

Use a VPN - this is a way of accessing the internet anonymously
I use HMA which stands for Hide My Ass
all your internet usage is encrypted & you can change the country your internet details are routed through

So you can route everything through the UK which means you will be able to view BBC I player etc
The VPN will allocate you with a UK ISP

I tested this by changing my country to the USA & trying to access BBC I player & it was blocked
Changed it back to the UK & I was able to access it again

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Post by Guest on 19.12.13 12:40

I remember a poster here - whom sadly I think may have since died - telling me about proxy servers which are free to use and enable IP addresses to be changed in order to access links which aren't available in some countries.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proxy_server

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VPNs

Post by geoffobrien99 on 19.12.13 12:52

There is a tool  within Firefox (much better than Internet Explorer) called FoxyProxy which is a VPN
but I've never used it so I'm not sure if you can specify which country you want the Internet to think you are in

As I said I use HMA
because of the security it gives
When you hit send on the internet the message being sent gets encrypted before it is sent
Any Internet page coming back to you gets encrypted before being sent to you & then automatically gets reformatted before it is displayed

This is useful for a number of reasons
1) Very secure for internet banking
2) Your ISP does not know what sites you are visiting so they cannot block sites
3) You can watch football from around the world without it being blocked by your ISP
4) The americans cannot collect any data from you

I know British people who live abroad use VPNs so that they can watch British TV

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Re: Article from Psychology today

Post by suep on 19.12.13 21:18

@PeterMac wrote:Specifically in relation to the Casey Anthony trial, but as relevant to this as any other case.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201107/the-not-so-obvious-lessons-the-casey-anthony-trial

Many in the TV audience had a visceral reaction to Casey Anthony even before the verdict was handed down. Some felt this way as they witnessed the blatant lies she told to police officers trying to find her daughter Caylee Marie Anthony. Others were appalled at her ferocity in arguing with her parents who had done so much to make her life easier and were merely trying to help. Some were angered because the only one hindering the investigation of Caylee Anthony was Casey Anthony, the mother, whose behavior post disappearance was best characterized by her own defense attorney as, "a lying, no-good slut."

1. No remorse or conscience - they don't feel bad about what they do, only getting caught   - “ While this didn’t totally exclude the possibility that the children had been sedated, especially given the time that had elapsed, it meant nobody else (including the PJ and the media) could prove otherwise.”
2. Glibness/superficial charm - when they want to, and it benefits them, they act as they need to - they are chameleon like & superficially interesting - Ambassador, running, fund raising
3. Aggressively narcissistic - everything has to be their way, if you don't agree with them, you are a hindrance and an obstacle  - Carter-Ruck first point of call.
4. They believe themselves above the law which for them are formalities to bend or break -  failure to learn from Portuguese Supreeme Court ruling against them, continue to pursue Amaral
5. Grandiose sense of self-worth - they over value themselves and their needs and devalue the needs or worth of others. “Our holiday too ! ! !”
6. They are pathological liars; lying even when they don't have to and doing so with great facility -  Front door using his key -v- Patio door left open for the purpose and almost all statements since.
7. Cunning/manipulative - extremely versatile from a very early age
8. Lack of guilt - a key feature of psychopathy. While others are being destroyed physically or emotionally, they don't feel a thing  - BENNETT, AMARAL
9. Emotionally shallow - their emotions are lacking or blunted, or at times inappropriate  - day 2 onwards, Especially Day 8 coming out of Church,and all points since.
10. Callous/lack of empathy - don't really care about the feeling of others only themselves   TANNER
11. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - always someone else's fault never their own.   _If she had been hurt why would that be our fault
12. High need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - they would rather play than work which is routine and boring    -  months in PdL jogging and playing tennis
13. Parasitic lifestyle - would rather let others work - better to leech money off of other than earn money   - Fund used for Mortgage, and set up to “help the family “
14. Poor behavioral control - irresponsible behavior is a large factor as is putting others in danger  - leaving children in unlocked apartment, out of sight even after they had complained specifically about this
15. Promiscuous sexual behavior - what some would call "slutty" behavior  - no comment
16. Lack of realistic, long-term goals - they live for the moment without planning for the future  -  stay in PdL for months, then sudenly go home
17. Impulsiveness - doing what they want when they want as they want  - going to sleep on first night whilst every one else was searching.   Jaunts to Huelva, no search after one hour the next morning.
18. Criminal versatility - the ability to commit crimes and lie with ease - too many examples to quote
19. Criminal behavior - they routinely steal, cheat, lie, or fail to comply with laws  -  Kate driving hire car when not a named driver on the insurcance.  Lying - again to many to quote
20. Use people - people are to be used or manipulated, not cared for   HUBBARD, TANNER, atempt to use OLDFIELD -

Just read this now and was struck by how all these points perfectly describe a condition known as Malignant Narcissistic Personality Disorder as described here http://samvak.tripod.com/

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Re: Article from Psychology today

Post by sammyc on 20.12.13 6:32

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:21 %  big grin 

45% here although I thought the little write up was quite fair.

Is it true that if you get 100% it just says "Hi, Gerry"?

Gerry would refuse to acknowledge his score on the basis the test is 'incredibly unreliable'.

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Re: Article from Psychology today

Post by bobbin on 20.12.13 7:15

@sammyc wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:21 %  big grin 

45% here although I thought the little write up was quite fair.

Is it true that if you get 100% it just says "Hi, Gerry"?

Gerry would refuse to acknowledge his score on the basis the test is 'incredibly unreliable'.
Nah, You'd need a 'conscience' to feel any sort of shame.
Gerry would probably go about wildly trumpeting his great, huge, nay even, humungous success.
The number of chosen people who might ever aspire to attaining such distinction must be as rare, if not even rarer, than the Cullinan and Koh-i-Noor Diamonds put together on the same tin plate.  sarcastic 

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Post by bobbin on 20.12.13 8:32

@suep wrote:
@PeterMac wrote:Specifically in relation to the Casey Anthony trial, but as relevant to this as any other case.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/spycatcher/201107/the-not-so-obvious-lessons-the-casey-anthony-trial

Many in the TV audience had a visceral reaction to Casey Anthony even before the verdict was handed down. Some felt this way as they witnessed the blatant lies she told to police officers trying to find her daughter Caylee Marie Anthony. Others were appalled at her ferocity in arguing with her parents who had done so much to make her life easier and were merely trying to help. Some were angered because the only one hindering the investigation of Caylee Anthony was Casey Anthony, the mother, whose behavior post disappearance was best characterized by her own defense attorney as, "a lying, no-good slut."

1. No remorse or conscience - they don't feel bad about what they do, only getting caught   - “ While this didn’t totally exclude the possibility that the children had been sedated, especially given the time that had elapsed, it meant nobody else (including the PJ and the media) could prove otherwise.”
2. Glibness/superficial charm - when they want to, and it benefits them, they act as they need to - they are chameleon like & superficially interesting - Ambassador, running, fund raising
3. Aggressively narcissistic - everything has to be their way, if you don't agree with them, you are a hindrance and an obstacle  - Carter-Ruck first point of call.
4. They believe themselves above the law which for them are formalities to bend or break -  failure to learn from Portuguese Supreeme Court ruling against them, continue to pursue Amaral
5. Grandiose sense of self-worth - they over value themselves and their needs and devalue the needs or worth of others. “Our holiday too ! ! !”
6. They are pathological liars; lying even when they don't have to and doing so with great facility -  Front door using his key -v- Patio door left open for the purpose and almost all statements since.
7. Cunning/manipulative - extremely versatile from a very early age
8. Lack of guilt - a key feature of psychopathy. While others are being destroyed physically or emotionally, they don't feel a thing  - BENNETT, AMARAL
9. Emotionally shallow - their emotions are lacking or blunted, or at times inappropriate  - day 2 onwards, Especially Day 8 coming out of Church,and all points since.
10. Callous/lack of empathy - don't really care about the feeling of others only themselves   TANNER
11. Failure to accept responsibility for own actions - always someone else's fault never their own.   _If she had been hurt why would that be our fault
12. High need for stimulation/proneness to boredom - they would rather play than work which is routine and boring    -  months in PdL jogging and playing tennis
13. Parasitic lifestyle - would rather let others work - better to leech money off of other than earn money   - Fund used for Mortgage, and set up to “help the family “
14. Poor behavioral control - irresponsible behavior is a large factor as is putting others in danger  - leaving children in unlocked apartment, out of sight even after they had complained specifically about this
15. Promiscuous sexual behavior - what some would call "slutty" behavior  - no comment
16. Lack of realistic, long-term goals - they live for the moment without planning for the future  -  stay in PdL for months, then sudenly go home
17. Impulsiveness - doing what they want when they want as they want  - going to sleep on first night whilst every one else was searching.   Jaunts to Huelva, no search after one hour the next morning.
18. Criminal versatility - the ability to commit crimes and lie with ease - too many examples to quote
19. Criminal behavior - they routinely steal, cheat, lie, or fail to comply with laws  -  Kate driving hire car when not a named driver on the insurcance.  Lying - again to many to quote
20. Use people - people are to be used or manipulated, not cared for   HUBBARD, TANNER, atempt to use OLDFIELD -

Just read this now and was struck by how all these points perfectly describe a condition known as Malignant Narcissistic Personality Disorder as described here  http://samvak.tripod.com/
Thank you suep for finding and sharing the above web site.
I have started to read it through. Very insightful and valuable reading.
Interesting, but coincidence I am sure, but the date for the question and answers section, is 3rd May 2007.
 high5 

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Post by tigger on 20.12.13 11:59

14: Poor behavioural control: getting up in the middle of an interview on camera and leave because one doesn't want to answer a question on sedation.

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Post by Rasputin on 20.12.13 12:05

@tigger wrote:14: Poor behavioural control: getting up in the middle of an interview on camera and leave because one doesn't want to answer a question on sedation.
Using foul language infront of children and other passengers on the airport bus .

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Re: Article from Psychology today

Post by Who?What?Where? on 21.12.13 0:21

I read about vpn, for the first time,today, but on another forum.

If you want to give your financial information to people, who tell you that the rules will no longer apply to you anymore, ( but only once you have payed them), then you need to realise, that you do so, at your own financial risk.

Those sort of people, are only interested in themselves. They are not interested in you. They are only interested in the money that they can, possibly, extract from you.

When it all goes horribly wrong, as it possibly could, you will find that they could not care less about you.

They have your money, by deception, in some cases,and they definitely want to hang on to it.

That is because they think that you may be stupid and inferior to them. Plus, they have absolutely no intention of paying you back. Paying you back, would reduce their superiority. They are all about the superiority.

They were only ever interested in transferring your money, to themselves, in the first place.

They are an unnecessary burden. Maybe, it is a time to send them back.

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