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Re: How should it have gone?

Post by Guest on 08.12.13 17:39

Savings? They got millions ...

2. How much to pay

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Re: How should it have gone?

Post by Guest on 08.12.13 17:49

Results of search on: 08 Dec 2013 at 17:46:28. The details shown are valid at the date and time of the search only.

GMC Reference Number
3688421
Given Names
Kate Marie
Surname
Healy
Gender
Woman
Status
Registered without a licence to practise

Primary Medical Qualification
MB ChB 1992 University of Dundee
Provisional Registration Date
14 Jul 1992
Full Registration Date
17 Aug 1993
Specialist Register entry date
This doctor is not on the Specialist Register
GP Register entry date
From 31 Mar 2006 but is not currently licensed to practise

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Re: How should it have gone?

Post by Daisy on 08.12.13 17:55

@ultimaThule wrote:This thread should be linked to this one and vice versa: http://jillhavern.forumotion.net/t2165-dr-gerry-mccann-working-at-the-spire-private-hospital-leicestershire

We're not talking high fliers here and whatever specialities she may have chosen, Dr KH hasn't seen any of them through.  

A GMC search shows her entry date on the GP register was March 2006 when, presumably, she either began to tout for work as a locum or had found a surgery willing to take her on.    Locums are used to provide cover as and when needed and it may be that the practice she was working for at the time of Madeleine's disppearance in May 2007 was the last of several she'd worked for during the previous year.

In any event, by my reckoning 1.5 days per week would be the equivalent of her having some 2.5 months full time GP experience in April 2007 which is a somewhat less impressive picture than the one painted by TM/MSM which implied that she was a long established family doctor.  

As for GM, his cv as shown in the other thread appears to me to have had a similar airbrushing.

Fwiw, the same GMC search shows KH is no longer licensed to practice medicine but I wouldn't read anything into that other than, having no intention of returning to medicine for the foreseeable future, a saving is being made on the annual registration fee.
Yes there's certainly a lot of discrepancy  about how much Kate actually 'practiced'. Not long at all according to her nearest and dearest.

 Aunt Janet Kennedy's statement: "When Madeleine was born, the entire family was present to help support Kate who did not return to work as she felt her place was at home. Following the birth of the twins, she only returned to work part-time when they were one year old."

http://www.mccannpjfiles.co.uk/PJ/JANNET-KENNEDY.htm


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Re: How should it have gone?

Post by ultimaThule on 08.12.13 17:58

Châtelaine wrote:Savings? They got millions ...

2. How much to pay

With effect from 1 April 2013 the fee for full registration with a licence to practise for those having been provisionally registered or those applying for full registration having recently qualified will be £185. All other applicants for full registration will pay £390.

The fee for provisional registration with a licence to practise will be £90. Further information is set out on our fees page.
Be grateful - as KH is not licensed, she can't prescribe titter 

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Re: How should it have gone?

Post by Guest on 08.12.13 18:40

@ultimaThule wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:Savings? They got millions ...

2. How much to pay

With effect from 1 April 2013 the fee for full registration with a licence to practise for those having been provisionally registered or those applying for full registration having recently qualified will be £185. All other applicants for full registration will pay £390.

The fee for provisional registration with a licence to practise will be £90. Further information is set out on our fees page.
Be grateful - as KH is not licensed, she can't prescribe titter 
To be licensed now KM would have to undergo revalidation, along with an annual appraisal. It would be near impossible to do as she is not working. 
But as a doctor she can still write a private prescription.

It would be a very easy exercise for Redwood to check her excuse for the cadaverine on her clothes. Just to check the stubs in the Death Certificate book (form 66), which would be held in the practice for the week prior to the holiday.

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Post by Guest on 08.12.13 19:05

dantezebu wrote:

It would be a very easy exercise for Redwood to check her excuse for the cadaverine on her clothes. Just to check the stubs in the Death Certificate book (form 66), which would be held in the practice for the week prior to the holiday.
Damn. Those pesky "facts" get everywhere, don't they!

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Post by Guest on 08.12.13 19:23

IIRC it wasn't her but some source close to the family ...
Nonetheless ...

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Post by dromodaire on 08.12.13 19:57

Châtelaine wrote:A stamp? Make that a needle pin for me winkwink 

Pity Maman isn't here. She knows "everything" about football. I kid you not.
Shame on you dear! People who are ignorant of their own rich cultural heritage. big grin

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Post by Guest on 08.12.13 20:25

Châtelaine wrote:IIRC it wasn't her but some source close to the family ...
Nonetheless ...
Well I took good old Gerrys advice and I asked the dogs.
Dante says 6 is a very specific number. Not 4 or 8 (he counts in fours).
So he thinks that is a little suspect in itself. 
And he also thinks that the death rate in Leicester needs to to be looked into.
Zebu thinks that maybe it had to be more than one body for the scent to linger for so long despite such brief contact and 
many washings of the said trousers by the time dear Eddie got to them. After the rain he says he has a problem finding the rabbit trails himself.

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Post by Guest on 08.12.13 20:50

The last of you are talking in riddles.
I LOVE riddles, though.
Will try and reply in PM as soon as I have the dogs under control again.
They're more difficult at night than in daytime ...

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Post by Miraflores on 08.12.13 21:49

To be licensed now KM would have to undergo revalidation, along with an annual appraisal. It would be near impossible to do as she is not working. 
But as a doctor she can still write a private prescription.
 I wonder if there is any significance in the timing of her losing her licence to practice? Or is it just simply that the annual appraisal process, (which I gather is relatively new) has just caught up with her?  It seems strange that back in August she paid her fee to continue with a licence to practice on the Register, and has ceased to be able to practice within three months. Why not just ask to stay on the Register, without the licence to practice, back in August?

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Re: How should it have gone?

Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED on 09.12.13 0:09

Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@tigger wrote:

I've read Gerry's  mediocre work, the sport medicine one would have been given a   C in A level imo.
Is there any connection between Gerry and Fergus McCann, the former Celtic FC chairman?
 
For a number of reasons this is quite possibly the most relevant question on the thread.

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Post by ultimaThule on 09.12.13 0:18

It's curious how many roads lead to Canada and the Emerald Isles - Fergus/Feargus being a good old Oirish name yes 

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Post by marconi on 09.12.13 0:32

Joana Morais just published the complete Portuguese GMTV.
I listened to it and I don't believe two items::

1) that the PJ did not listen to the McCanns ( apartment, villa, phones). How come that the media know that she died of sedation and that she fell down the stairs? And Amaral once said that she died in two different places??

  2) that the PJ are investigating an abduction.

The police can not tell everything, can they?

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Re: How should it have gone?

Post by ultimaThule on 09.12.13 0:48

wave It's good to see you again, marconi. smilie 

It seems the PJ and NSY are keeping their cards very close to their chests as the UK is also being told the police are investigating an abduction.

I don't believe Madeleine died of an overdose of medication, but could it be that Dr Amaral was implying that the child 'died' in one location and was subsequently resuscitated in another, only to die again and this time she was beyond help?

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Post by marconi on 09.12.13 0:56

@ultimaThule wrote:wave It's good to see you again, marconi. smilie 

It seems the PJ and NSY are keeping their cards very close to their chests as the UK is also being told the police are investigating an abduction.  

I don't believe Madeleine died of an overdose of medication, but could it be that Dr Amaral was implying that the child 'died' in one location and was subsequently resuscitated in another, only to die again and this time she was beyond help?
Thank you, ultima thule!
My theory is the one you suggest, wondering if it would be the case. I wonder the same.
what is new ( at least to me) is that Mrs Fenn told the police that she saw Payne on the 5a patio at 7pm. winkwink

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Post by IKNOWWHATHAPPENED on 09.12.13 1:42

@ultimaThule wrote:It's curious how many roads lead to Canada and the Emerald Isles - Fergus/Feargus being a good old Oirish name yes 
Thats merely superficial. Go deeper and you wont be disappointed.

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Post by ultimaThule on 09.12.13 2:19

I'd love to but, as I don't have the time, I rely on the excellent skills of researchers here to dig deep into matters which can't be uncovered by one or two clicks of a mouse smilie 

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Post by ultimaThule on 09.12.13 2:33

That's interesting, marconi

As far as I recall, according to David Payne's account he went to 5A at 6.30pm and stayed for c30minutes. According to KM, David Payne knocked on the door at 6.30pm and left 30 seconds later without having entered the apartment. If Mrs Fenn saw David Payne on 5A's patio at 7pm this would seem to support his account.

Did you get this information from the GMTV programme?.

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Post by ultimaThule on 09.12.13 3:25

@Miraflores wrote:
dantezebu wrote: To be licensed now KM would have to undergo revalidation, along with an annual appraisal. It would be near impossible to do as she is not working. 
But as a doctor she can still write a private prescription.
 I wonder if there is any significance in the timing of her losing her licence to practice? Or is it just simply that the annual appraisal process, (which I gather is relatively new) has just caught up with her?  It seems strange that back in August she paid her fee to continue with a licence to practice on the Register, and has ceased to be able to practice within three months. Why not just ask to stay on the Register, without the licence to practice, back in August?
As she no longer has a licence to practise, Dr KH cannot prescribe any prescripton-only medicines, dantzebu - see 10 and scroll down: http://www.gmc-uk.org/doctors/registration_applications/12637.asp not that this will necessarily pose a problem should she require any such meds for personal use as her spouse, or any one of her licensed to practise pals, can do the honours.

What you've said is interesting, Miraflores.  When I checked a month or so back, Dr KH was registered as being licensed to practise.  As Dr KH's annual GMC fees would fall due cAugust and were presumably paid in full at that time it does seem strange that, some 4 months later, there's been a variation in her entry on the Register.

Could it be the GMC adopts a leisurely approach to maintaining its online records?  Or could Dr KH's licence to practise have been withdrawn by the GMC?  

On skimming through the GMC info relating to re-establishing licence to practise, it seems to be a straightforward matter of submitting various documents rather than undergoing any in depth appraisal of ability and/or skills.  No doubt more stringent requirements will apply if a medic is attempting to prove fitness to practise after removal from the Register.

I can't recall where I read that one of TM was ready to plead insanity rather than do time but, as I saw the chunterings of various twitterers yesterday, this could be idle gossip of the ever hopeful variety.  laughat   However, I clearly recall seeing GM posing outside the GMC builidng comparatively recently while blathering on about Leveson? or the libel trial? and it occured to me, as it did to others, to wonder what he was doing there.

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Post by marconi on 09.12.13 4:24

Correction: it is not GMTV program but CMTV program (Correio da Manhã TV). I wrote it wrong.
Yes, Amaral was telling that Mrs. Fenn saw Payne on the patio of 5a, at 7pm.

I think that Payne said he stayed in the apartment for 3 or 5 minutes.

Gerry is the one who said Payne stayed in 5a for 30 minutes.

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Post by Seek truth on 09.12.13 7:01

They didn't bother to go out searching for their daughter that night, or ask to get into a police car and go searching, they just tried to sleep and wait for daylight 

BECAUSE they knew so well they had a great cover up on the way.

 Truly convinced they'd get away with it. Which is why they're always looking happy on camera.

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Post by Guest on 09.12.13 9:29

@IKNOWWHATHAPPENED wrote:
Clay Regazzoni wrote:
@tigger wrote:

I've read Gerry's  mediocre work, the sport medicine one would have been given a   C in A level imo.
Is there any connection between Gerry and Fergus McCann, the former Celtic FC chairman?
 
For a number of reasons this is quite possibly the most relevant question on the thread.
Interesting. I'd never heard of him before yesterday (or maybe did at the time but never made the connection after all these years), I only came across his name because John Collins was doing the punditry on Sky yesterday so I was reading his Wikipedia page. A search here didn't turn anything up so I asked the question.

http://themaddiecasefiles.com/topic14263.html has a bit more of relevance to this discussion.

Celtic-daft dad 'was a real pro'

The News of the World (Scotland)
13 May 2007

FORMER colleagues of Gerry McCann last night paid tribute to the "professional" and "talented" cardiologist.

Ex-Celtic physio Brian Scott worked with Maddie's dad at the club in the mid 90s - and told how he took time out from duties at Glasgow's Western Infirmary to carry out medicals on new signings.

Brian, 52, said: "He was a real professional, a safe pair of hands. He was great around the guys - and he was completely Celtic-daft."

Glasgow-born Gerry also spent three years working as a lecturer in Sports Medicine at Glasgow University.

His old boss Professor Stuart Hillis, 63, said: "He was an extremely able and talented physician. We were very sorry when he left to take up a job in Leicester."

Players at yesterday's Celtic v Aberdeen SPL clash wore yellow ribbons as a gesture of support for the family.

Hearts' Portugese stars Jose Goncalves and Bruno Aguiar also made an appeal for information. They said: "We cannot begin to imagine how Maddie's parents feel."

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Post by Guest on 09.12.13 9:57

@ultimaThule wrote:

I don't believe Madeleine died of an overdose of medication, but could it be that Dr Amaral was implying that the child 'died' in one location and was subsequently resuscitated in another, only to die again and this time she was beyond help?
He doesn't mean that literally though, surely?

I have theorised that Maddie never made it to Portugal alive - she died in the UK and her body was transported to Portugal as part of the inflateable billboard stunt. So maybe there is a supposed death and an actual death = two deaths?

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Post by Guest on 09.12.13 10:13

So who was the child who went to Portugal with the McCanns?

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