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Post by noddy100 on 27.11.13 18:57

They sent me a reply when I asked what the fund was for now that SY were paying and they  listed all the things they needed it for
This was about 2 weeks ago so the removing it is recent

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Post by aiyoyo on 27.11.13 19:02

And, what did they list may I ask?

Is Pinky on their expenditure list in addition to lawyers and Image Consultants fees (of course) ?

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Post by Over The Hill on 27.11.13 19:03

Mail Online covering the story now

Mail story

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Post by noddy100 on 27.11.13 19:09

@aiyoyo wrote:And, what did they list may I ask?

Is Pinky on their expenditure list in addition to lawyers and Image Consultants fees (of course) ?

Thank you very much for your email, and apologise for the late reply. We have been very busy on the last weeks, since the last appeal.



The enquiries/investigation are now being funded by the Police indeed. But it is through the generous donations paid to the Fund by the general public and libel damages paid to ourselves that we keep carrying the following:



- A Portuguese assistant/translator

- A 24 hour telephone line with translators to receive information from the public

- Media liaison in Portugal and the UK

- Awareness campaigns in Portugal, Spain and further afield

- Website hosting and development and social network site campaigns to raise awareness through the internet

This ^

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Post by Cristobell on 27.11.13 19:15

Interesting, thank you Noddy.  No mention of legal fees there.  May I ask what the date of the email was?

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Post by sofieellis on 27.11.13 19:19

Thanks for the replies, Cristobell and melisande. It would certainly make sense if the fund is being investigated. Do we know how long they have been offline for?If if hasn't been too long, then I suppose it could just be maintenance or something. We will have to watch and see. Could be interesting!

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Post by Guest on 27.11.13 19:20

As a newbie,i would be inclined to agree with kitchen, imo scotland yard are investigating the fund(cannot donate,website has not been updated to remove tannerman, 24 hour phone line no longer in service),whereas the portuguese police are investigating the disappearance.

Reading through some of the comments made by howe, I feel optimistic.

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Post by noddy100 on 27.11.13 19:20

@Cristobell wrote:Interesting, thank you Noddy.  No mention of legal fees there.  May I ask what the date of the email was?
Yes it was 14 November

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Post by Cristobell on 27.11.13 19:22

@sofieellis wrote:Thanks for the replies, Cristobell and melisande. It would certainly make sense if the fund is being investigated. Do we know how long they have been offline for?If if hasn't been too long, then I suppose it could just be maintenance or something. We will have to watch and see. Could be interesting!
The paypal button has worked through thick and thin Sofie, I don't think it has ever gone down.

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Post by Guest on 27.11.13 19:38

@Cristobell wrote: [...] The paypal button has worked through thick and thin Sofie, I don't think it has ever gone down.
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Well, I've tried various paths, but I couldn't get to a donate button, Cristobel ...

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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.11.13 19:45

DCI Redwood and his SY chums have been over to Portugal to talk to their PJ chums time and again.

According to my recent FOI Act request, they've spent 156 nights abroad already.

Our number 2 and 3 at the CPS, including no less than our brand spanking new DPP, Alison Saunders, also went over to Portugal to liaise with their opposite numbers there.

In terms of achieving joint working and co-operation, never mind the joint investigation they now seek, they have all got precisely...

...nowhere.

As they say in the vernacular of today's hip-hop culture...


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Post by Guest on 27.11.13 19:45

@Cristobell wrote:
@sofieellis wrote:When did the Find Madeleine Donate button (and the online store) disappear?

Is this significant?
I believe it is Sofie.  Had it happened 6 years ago, the forums would have been buzzing.  Basically they have stopped raising money for the Fund and I can't see them doing that willingly.  It raises the question, is the Fund under investigation? 

As so SY and PJ following different lines of enquiry, it would make sense if the PJ investigated the original crime as it is within their geographic area. It would also make sense if 'other' crimes, particularly of a financial nature were investigated in the UK where 12 of the people of interest are resident.
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Post by margaret on 27.11.13 19:49

@sofieellis wrote:When did the Find Madeleine Donate button (and the online store) disappear?

Is this significant?
IMO it speaks volumes, the McCanns are in trouble.

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Post by Guest on 27.11.13 19:49

@Tony Bennett wrote:DCI Redwood and his SY chums have been over to Portugal to talk to their PJ chums time and again.

According to my recent FOI Act request, they've spent 156 nights abroad already.

Our number 2 and 3 at the CPS, including no less than our brand spanking new DPP, Alison Saunders, also went over to Portugal to liaise with their opposite numbers there.

In terms of achieving joint working and co-operation, never mind the joint investigation they now seek, they have all got precisely...

...nowhere.

As they say in the vernacular of today's hip-hop culture...


FAIL
This is the case of a lifetime for these chaps. I bet they weren't short of volunteers. Even I would be aiming to string it out for as long as possible, and I'm scrupulously honest!

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Post by chillyheat on 27.11.13 20:17

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1331654/March-Euro-police-The-shocking-powers-prosecution-EU-us.html

Could there be any significance in this article relating to this case ? Its the first Ive heard of it.

Also new, the European Investigation Order (EIO) gives foreign police forces the power to compel British police to carry out investigations on their behalf. These may include interrogation of suspects, interception of  communications and bank records, and the handing over of DNA samples and fingerprints.
British police can be forced to investigate offences which are not crimes in the UK, or which they consider to be minor offences. 
Before the Home Secretary agreed in July for Britain to opt in to the EIO, Commander Allan Gibson, head of the specialist crime directorate at the Metropolitan Police, wrote to the Government and expressed concern that the investigation order did not allow that the ‘proportionality’ of a crime be considered.
He was also worried about the workings of the EAW, which ‘has been complicated by requests for fugitives suspected of low-level offences’.

Other new laws giving the EU power over Britain include the EU’s Data Retention Directive, which forces telecommunications companies to keep details of every telephone call, email and text message and all web traffic for at least six months, and to make the data available to law enforcement authorities.

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Post by Guest on 27.11.13 20:33

@ChillyHeat wrote:http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-1331654/March-Euro-police-The-shocking-powers-prosecution-EU-us.html

Could there be any significance in this article relating to this case ? Its the first Ive heard of it.

Also new, the European Investigation Order (EIO) gives foreign police forces the power to compel British police to carry out investigations on their behalf. These may include interrogation of suspects, interception of  communications and bank records, and the handing over of DNA samples and fingerprints.
British police can be forced to investigate offences which are not crimes in the UK, or which they consider to be minor offences. 
Before the Home Secretary agreed in July for Britain to opt in to the EIO, Commander Allan Gibson, head of the specialist crime directorate at the Metropolitan Police, wrote to the Government and expressed concern that the investigation order did not allow that the ‘proportionality’ of a crime be considered.
He was also worried about the workings of the EAW, which ‘has been complicated by requests for fugitives suspected of low-level offences’.

Other new laws giving the EU power over Britain include the EU’s Data Retention Directive, which forces telecommunications companies to keep details of every telephone call, email and text message and all web traffic for at least six months, and to make the data available to law enforcement authorities.
Power given not only over Britain: 

We, as Europeans of common stock/denomination, sharing common values, should do the same things the same way

Simple as that: if the UK does them better, all the others will want to raise their standards to the UK's

If reverse: UK conforms to the rest of the EU

We all benefit

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Post by ultimaThule on 27.11.13 20:35

@noddy100 wrote:They sent me a reply when I asked what the fund was for now that SY were paying and they  listed all the things they needed it for
This was about 2 weeks ago so the removing it is recent
Can you recap on what they said they needed more funds for, noddy?  And did you get a reply from the longstanding member you sent the emails to?

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Re: Scotland Yard want joint investigation...just announced

Post by Tony Bennett on 27.11.13 20:46

@Portia wrote:
Power given not only over Britain: 

We, as Europeans of common stock/denomination, sharing common values, should do the same things the same way

Simple as that: if the UK does them better, all the others will want to raise their standards to the UK's

If reverse: UK conforms to the rest of the EU

We all benefit
You must be joking.

Britain has one Parliament. Europe has 2. About 400 miles apart from each other. 

Our MPs can make laws.  In Europe they can't - the European Parliament is a talking-shop that can make no new laws.

We elect our MPs to represent a local constituency. In Europe, they don't.

In the British Parliament, new laws are voted in after proper debate. In the European Parliament, they vote on up to 500 issues in a 3-hour session, frenetically pressing buttons every few seconds.

In Britain we have an extensive use of jury trial. In Europe, generally they don't.

In Britain, detention without charge is only allowed for 1 day, 4 days in more serious cases, longer in serious terrorist cases. Europe generally has much longer periods of detention; the EU wants the right to detain for 90 days, renewable every 6 months ('Corpus Juris')    

We believe in one nation, one currency; Europe does not - look at the results in the eurozone...

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Post by Daisy on 27.11.13 20:52

@Portia wrote:Power given not only over Britain: 

We, as Europeans of common stock/denomination, sharing common values, should do the same things the same way

Simple as that: if the UK does them better, all the others will want to raise their standards to the UK's

If reverse: UK conforms to the rest of the EU

We all benefit
Cann it!

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Re: Scotland Yard want joint investigation...just announced

Post by aquila on 27.11.13 20:56

@Daisy wrote:
@Portia wrote:Power given not only over Britain: 

We, as Europeans of common stock/denomination, sharing common values, should do the same things the same way

Simple as that: if the UK does them better, all the others will want to raise their standards to the UK's

If reverse: UK conforms to the rest of the EU

We all benefit
Cann it!
Daisy, that wasn't what I had the mind to say. I congratulate you on your restraint. big grin

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Post by Daisy on 27.11.13 21:14

@aquila wrote:
@Daisy wrote:
@Portia wrote:Power given not only over Britain: 

We, as Europeans of common stock/denomination, sharing common values, should do the same things the same way

Simple as that: if the UK does them better, all the others will want to raise their standards to the UK's

If reverse: UK conforms to the rest of the EU

We all benefit
Cann it!
Daisy, that wasn't what I had the mind to say. I congratulate you on your restraint. big grin
Tbh Aquila, I'm just using Portia's words right back at her/him, I'm still not sure what it means, she didn't explain. I know what  'can it'  means, = sack it off or forget about it. big grin

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Re: Scotland Yard want joint investigation...just announced

Post by aquila on 27.11.13 21:26

@Tony Bennett wrote:
@Portia wrote:
Power given not only over Britain: 

We, as Europeans of common stock/denomination, sharing common values, should do the same things the same way

Simple as that: if the UK does them better, all the others will want to raise their standards to the UK's

If reverse: UK conforms to the rest of the EU

We all benefit
You must be joking.

Britain has one Parliament. Europe has 2. About 400 miles apart from each other. 

Our MPs can make laws.  In Europe they can't - the European Parliament is a talking-shop that can make no new laws.

We elect our MPs to represent a local constituency. In Europe, they don't.

In the British Parliament, new laws are voted in after proper debate. In the European Parliament, they vote on up to 500 issues in a 3-hour session, frenetically pressing buttons every few seconds.

In Britain we have an extensive use of jury trial. In Europe, generally they don't.

In Britain, detention without charge is only allowed for 1 day, 4 days in more serious cases, longer in serious terrorist cases. Europe generally has much longer periods of detention; the EU wants the right to detain for 90 days, renewable every 6 months ('Corpus Juris')    

We believe in one nation, one currency; Europe does not - look at the results in the eurozone...
As I see it the EU has done sod all for my country apart from undermine it.

Ask not what the EU can do for you but what you can do for the EU about sums things up for me.

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Re: Scotland Yard want joint investigation...just announced

Post by ultimaThule on 27.11.13 21:29

@Portia wrote:
@Cristobell wrote:
@sofieellis wrote:When did the Find Madeleine Donate button (and the online store) disappear?

Is this significant?
I believe it is Sofie.  Had it happened 6 years ago, the forums would have been buzzing.  Basically they have stopped raising money for the Fund and I can't see them doing that willingly.  It raises the question, is the Fund under investigation? 

As so SY and PJ following different lines of enquiry, it would make sense if the PJ investigated the original crime as it is within their geographic area. It would also make sense if 'other' crimes, particularly of a financial nature were investigated in the UK where 12 of the people of interest are resident.
friends 
On a note of caution, substantive evidence would need to be produced before due cause can be found to investigate suspected crimes of a 'financial nature' in relation to a limited company.

I don't see the removal of the donation/tat selling pages of the McCanns' website of any great significance at the present time as this have may come about due to advice or pressure from the firm's directors or, indeed, it may simply be these pages are being updated and may be back bolder and more blatant than before.  

If the website goes offline or is permanently frozen on the 'home' page I may see it as cause for celebration, but until then I'm not cracking open the champers.

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Re: Scotland Yard want joint investigation...just announced

Post by suzyjohnson on 27.11.13 21:36

If you go on the findmadeleine website and choose the British option, the Crimewatch photofits are there. However if you choose any of the other countries, they are not there.

Now, why would it be that they want the British to be aware of the suspects but not anyone from a different country?

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Post by Guest on 27.11.13 21:38

Is the United Kingdom (choke) still trying to imply that the Portuguese are a nation of troglodytes?  Do they truly believe the Portuguese are stupid?  If I were them I would stick one middle digit up and tell the Brits to naff off, how many times can you expect to get away with insulting people without retaliation?

Unless there is something going on behind the scenes that falls within the jurisdiction of the UK, it is otherwise none of their business.  The parents of Maddie lost their child in Portugal, not England Northern Ireland Wales or Scotland, it was and still is a case for the Portuguese to investigate as they feel necessary not the UK government or any of their agencies.

Loosely in the words of Gerry McCann 'we've been framed, it's stitch up'.

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