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Devon paedophile: Four rapes, six indecent assaults, ONE MILLION child abuse images - and a 19-year jail sentence

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Re: Devon paedophile: Four rapes, six indecent assaults, ONE MILLION child abuse images - and a 19-year jail sentence

Post by Tony Bennett on 26.11.13 11:56

@aquila wrote:
Romario (aka Thomas Baden-Riess) has made some interesting comments on sympathy with Gerald McCann on Pat Brown's blog and interestingly describes himself and I quote (my underlining)

"Thomas Baden-Riess said... Lesley I agree with you, the question of how they cope psychologically with this farce is very interesting. I have to confess I often have nightmares/visions and horrible thoughts in which I kill someone,in a fit of temper/madness and my life turns into utter hell. But I do not know what my response would be: half the time I think I would hand myself in and hang myself; then again maybe I would justify the crime to myself and cover things up to save my own bacon.

I will happily confess to being narcisistic and sociopathic and psychopathic myself (this might explain why I sympathise with them), in fact I believe I'm probably very much at the edge of the spectrum; but I'm also incredibly empathetic too. So that tells me that all these concepts of narcissim, sociopathy, lack of empathy are truly difficult for me to get my head around. When you talk about Kate I would personally go for a middle line: yes, she fears for her own personal being and no, I don't think she really cared about Madeleine; but maybe she still feels some guilt for the whole sorry incident, as evidenced by when she told Amaral of her dream. It seemed to me that was a half-hearted attempt at confession."

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/i-knew-straight-away-shed-been-taken.html?showComment=1383480988917#c6285236295279215608

@Tony. I hope this person gets help especially if they are teaching children.
If Romario = Thomas Baden-Riess, then he clearly has a major, debilitating problem in his life which he needs to address as soon as possible, especially as it seems probable that his fantasies do, or certainly could, affect others adversely.

I am not at all sure that he should be posting here at all

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Post by Guest on 26.11.13 12:00

Romario confirmed that he was also TBR when he re-registered after being banned as TBR.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 26.11.13 12:01

Daisy reported on another Devon case, which included this passage:

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Bryant helped run a Surf Life Saving GB club affiliated at Saunton Sands in the 1980s when Russel Dawson said he was abused a number of times.

Mr Dawson, who was 14 when the abuse began, has waived his right to anonymity.

He told police in a statement that all the members of the club saw Bryant, who was awarded the British Empire Medal in 1985 for his youth work, as a "mentor and our hero".

But from 1983, Bryant took advantage of weekends away to abuse Mr Dawson.

The abuse continued until 1988 when Mr Dawson heard that Bryant had abused another child not connected with the surf club and reported it to the police.

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Paedophiles walk stealthily amongst us, looking for prey. They do so in schools, in nurseries, in social work departments, and charities...

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Post by Daisy on 26.11.13 12:22

Quote Romario:  ...and I will admit that my interest in the Madeleine Mccann case is probably satisyfying some macabre interest in me more than anything else. Also I have a lot of sick things going on in my head too. 



What macabre interest would that be Romario? I think you should seek help before it's too late.

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Post by Daisy on 26.11.13 12:42

@Tony Bennett wrote:
Paedophiles walk stealthily amongst us, looking for prey. They do so in schools, in nurseries, in social work departments, and charities...
Also endemic in children's so called 'care' homes. These children are often very vulnerable, isolated without a voice, such easy prey.

Mr Gove (& other government mouthpieces)  seems to want to make sure there's plenty of supply to keep up with demand.

Gove: More children should be taken into care to stop them suffering 'a life of soiled nappies, scummy baths, chaos and hunger'

Thousands more children should be placed in care or adopted to prevent them suffering neglect and mistreatment, Education Secretary Michael Gove has said.

 http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2234360/Michael-Gove-More-children-taken-care-stop-suffering.html

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Post by Mirage on 26.11.13 12:48

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@Mirage wrote:
This concurs with what I have been told by a relative who has done extensive work in the field. There is NO cure. The neural pathways that light up in a pathological brain on trigger words are quite different to the norm.

Not sure about the 'neural pathways', but maybe this is a scientific way of explaining nearly all of our addictions, whether child sexual abuse, alcohol, drugs, sex, gambling etc. - once we have developed what Romario classes as 'a bad habit', it puts down ever greater roots - like the most obstinate weed - you try and pull it up, but a tiny bit of root remains, and weeks later, it is full grown again
   

Brain surgery of the future might address this but before we reach that point, a cultural shift will have taken care of matters.

Not only that, child pornography, despite Cameron's belated awakening, is entrenched and is not likely to go away because the appetite for it has been created.

Fully agreed. Our local primary school, in common with a great many other infant schools, is teaching sexual awareness knowledge 'across all disciplines' (!) to 5-year-olds and upwards - there is 3 pages about this in the school handbook for parents. 

And just as we see people gorging themselves into morbid obesity, so the same can be applied to this situation

And addiction to food, otherwise known as 'greed'.

The problem is that paedophiles exist throughout society in such numbers that there is an insidious attempt to "normalise" them into main stream life. Hence PIE emerged in the 1970s and went underground because they needed to better organise their campaign for public acceptability behind the scenes. A softening up process has long since begun. Every now and then a head emerges above the sewage to call for lowering age consent. Debate. All quiet. Then up pops another head calling for the same, and so on.

Fully agreed. We have just had some bloke saying 'we must lower the age of consent to 15 because quite a lot of 14- and 15-year-olds are doing it'.

Gangs and lone offenders are given draconian sentences (the cases quoted above) to appease. A sop to an angry crowd.

I'm not with you on that one, Mirage. I see light sentences everywhere. A big bloke in Harlow took offence at a remark in a chip shop and felled a bloke to the ground with one blow to the head; his head split open on the floor and he was dead. Charged and found guilty of manslaughter, given 4 years in jail, out in 2. AND he had a record of previous convictions for violence as long as Jane Tanner's rogatory interviews. 

Meanwhile, the ideological struggle goes on covertly. The aim is to condition society.

OFCOM, the BBC and the British Board of Film Censors play their part. Jimmy Savile.

The visible side of this movement is in the sexualisation of children at every level. Believe this or not, it will have become the NORM for sexual relations to occur between adults and "consenting" children in one or two generations time.

If God doesn't bring the world to a close before then.

That is why I appeal to all lurkers on this site to make their mark. We need hundreds of thousands singing from the same hymn sheet to have any hope of stopping the rot.

The 'safermedia' organisation is a good place to start.

Whilst there is no cure, there can at least be barrier nursing - preferably in isolation units.
Tony, I didn't express myself well on the draconian sentences part.

 IMO the judiciary intermittently give out a long sentence as a sop. I fully realise that the usual sentences handed out tend toward the pathetic end of the scale. Just part of the softening up process and the fact there are elite paedophiles to protect.

With regard to the neural pathways, it has been shown that brains with pathological disposition light up on a different circuitry in scans. Pathological behaviour does not necessarily ensue. What militates against this eventuality is the counter-weight of early environmental influence.

There was a notable example of a criminal psychology prof who, to his profound shock, identified his own brain circuitry (done as a control) as pathologically wired. He thought he was looking at the brain of one of his criminals! To cut a long story short, he realised what separated him from the criminal psychopaths of his study, was his secure and happy upbringing! Even so, he admitted to a marked lack of empathy, a significant marker.

Still, no matter the degree of predisposition, I believe what marks the human being as being above the animals is will power. And the nurture of will power is something that has been sadly lacking in society for too long, ditched by significant numbers of parents and teachers (not all). You don't have to be Einstein to witness the results of this on any street, in any school.

I think there is growing evidence to assume that those who were not born predisposed to criminal behaviours, may well become so if repeatedly exposed to certain environments/practices/materials. Take your pick.

From this, I deduce that parents up and down the land had better look at how they are doing in the parenting stakes as a matter of urgency. Given that neural pathways are stubborn little devils, they should start by looking at addictive behaviours of their offspring brought about by violent video games, sex-texting and viewing pornography online.

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Post by tasprin on 26.11.13 13:13

Imo there does seem to be a concerted effort afoot to sexualise children, 'normalise' child abuse and minimise it in the courts. No one ever extends sympathy to sex offenders who've assaulted women - we rightly reserve our sympathy for the traumatised victim, not the perpetrator - so I cannot understand how anyone can sympathise with an adult who has done the same thing to a defenceless child. Imo paedophiles are not 'ill', they are perverted individuals who know exactly what they're doing. They are usually cunning, deeply manipulative, can appear charming and 'normal' and are just as likely to be a high-flying professional as a cleaner. And the harm they inflict on children often has tragic consequences for the victims and/or others. 
 
This is an interesting article from Camila Batmanghelidjh (CB) addressing all forms of child abuse. CB states that there are Child Protection departments where child sex abuse is graded and only acted on if deemed at the most serious level.   

Extracted from: Social workers are so immune to abuse that they turn into robots who cannot protect our children
By Camila Batmanghelidjh
24 November 2013

---As the founder of Kids Company, which provides a refuge for vulnerable children and young adults, many of whom have suffered terrible abuse, I know the dangerous circumstances in which they have to live – and I’m very aware of the positive and negative responses they get from the authorities.

I have come to believe that after years of exposure to traumatic events, professionals can become desensitised – so disturbed that they shut down their feelings to protect themselves.

To protect children you need a sense of alarm to propel you into action. Without that sense of alarm, whole social work and child mental health departments can end up unwittingly justifying inaction, placing hundreds, probably thousands, of children at further risk---.

Child services are given just £113million each year, while £42.2billion is spent on defence, leading to despair among social workers who have a wish to do good but are unable to deliver (file picture)

Some will go as far as beginning to grade levels of abuse. I know of child protection departments where sexual abuse of children involving penetration will be acted on, but those involving exposure to inappropriate behaviour or sexual touching will not. When we start grading child abuse we become institutionally savage.

One in ten children suffers significant mental health difficulties and, according to the NSPCC, one in ten children is being sexually abused.

---Our social work and child mental health departments are so grossly underfunded they can no longer act appropriately. Child protection is not a priority for Governments. Abused children won’t hold them accountable so they’re relegated to the bottom of the pile.

We spend £42.2 billion on defence, £40 billion is set aside for high-speed rail, but the budget for child protection in England and Wales in 2010 was £113 million.

This is against the backdrop of 3.5 million children living in poverty in the UK, some 1.5 million children affected by neglect and approximately 1.5 million children suffering maltreatment.

There is a sense of despair in these child protection workers because of the gap between their wish to do good and their poor delivery. A collusive, perverse silence pervades, driven from the top.

At some point these professionals have to protect themselves from that anxiety. Some do it by leaving. Others become physically and mentally ill.

Those who stay on are either remarkable in their resilience or, worryingly, they shut down their abilities to feel and become almost robotic.

Trauma can lead to reduced functioning of the pro-social parts of the brain; a sort of ‘acquired psychopathy’ borne of over-exposure to abuse.

Camila founded Kids Company charity in 1996 which now reaches out to 36,000 children across London and intensively supports 18,000 more

This mechanism in maltreated children can manifest itself in workers who work with them if the worker is not supported.

No national child protection review has gone anywhere near discussing the desensitisation, the perversion of feeling, in workers which can ensue.

I remember a two-year-old who was brought to Kids Company by his siblings. He barely reacted, and he looked haunted.
We spent years trying to get social services to take him into care. The case was constantly transferred between authorities who didn’t want to take responsibility. There were three changes of social worker, and eventually in 2009 the child was presented at hospital. He was now four, had 36 separate injuries, was malnourished, and was taken into care.

So the cycle repeats itself. Every so often our conscience is pricked by catastrophic harm. Workers will be blamed and reports will be produced.

'There is a sense of despair in these child protection workers ... A collusive, perverse silence pervades, driven from the top.'
The millions of children who are desperate, terrified and deeply alone cannot rely on one of the world’s richest societies to ensure their protection.

Chronic exposure to harm begins to alter these children’s brains until the child adapts to the savagery they’re exposed to. Incubated in terror, they emerge as disturbed adults who either harm themselves or others---
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-2512426/Social-workers-immune-abuse-turn-robots-protect-children.html#ixzz2lkVMtBEn

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Re: Devon paedophile: Four rapes, six indecent assaults, ONE MILLION child abuse images - and a 19-year jail sentence

Post by Romario on 26.11.13 13:42

@aquila wrote:@rominio

I sincerely hope that you are called up for jury duty on a paedophile case.  That might change your 'abstract concept' opinion. In the meantime you could always google it (if you dare). There's a lot of information out there if you look for it. As a teacher I would have thought you'd be made aware of such crimes but perhaps I have that wrong and we have completely disconnected teachers who feel sympathy for paedophiles even though they claim not to know exactly what a paedophile is or does.

Just my opinion of course.
Please don't get things out of proportion and start saying I'm sympathising with peadophiles as if I'm in love with them; I was merely voicing some thoughts as regards a problem which seems to be endemic.

Of course I know what peadophillia is, but as with all things, unless you personally witnness/ know of it, the reality of it won't be brought home to you. If I were to spend time in Africa for example and see starving children, I know the cause would become very important to me and I would do everything to change it; but until that occurs, starving children in Africa, like many other problems, remains an abstract issue, which, since I can't change it, I won't want to know about it. We all know people in factories in the third world are making clothes and other products; but it doesn't stop us from buying them. Why because we're too far distant to understand the problem.

If peadophillia wasn't an abstract concept, then it would have been more effectively stamped out. In my experience, the majority of people tend to relate more to the story 'innocent man accused of peadophillia' than 'child abused by paedophile.' In general women can't stomach to think of this subject and men wish to stay well clear of it. Thus it remains a problem that nobody really thinks about.

I was a teacher abroad, for which little education vis-a-vis child care was required.

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Post by Romario on 26.11.13 13:59

@aquila wrote:
@Swannie wrote:
@aquila wrote:@romario

As a teacher I would have thought you'd be made aware of such crimes but perhaps I have that wrong and we have completely disconnected teachers who feel sympathy for paedophiles even though they claim not to know exactly what a paedophile is or does.

Just my opinion of course.
As a teacher in Nottingham, I can assure you we have to attend Safeguarding Training every two years and are made fully aware of paedophile crimes, symptoms to look for and how to handle victims. Working with children with mental health issues, I frequently see the results of these vile crimes and fail to see how anyone, Romario, can have the slightest sympathy for any paedophiles!
Hi Swannie, I was being rather sarcastic in my post and I apologise. Of course teachers take this training which makes me wonder about the credibility of Romario.

Romario (aka Thomas Baden-Riess) has made some interesting comments on sympathy with Gerald McCann on Pat Brown's blog and interestingly describes himself and I quote (my underlining)

"Thomas Baden-Riess said... Lesley I agree with you, the question of how they cope psychologically with this farce is very interesting. I have to confess I often have nightmares/visions and horrible thoughts in which I kill someone,in a fit of temper/madness and my life turns into utter hell. But I do not know what my response would be: half the time I think I would hand myself in and hang myself; then again maybe I would justify the crime to myself and cover things up to save my own bacon.

I will happily confess to being narcisistic and sociopathic and psychopathic myself (this might explain why I sympathise with them), in fact I believe I'm probably very much at the edge of the spectrum; but I'm also incredibly empathetic too. So that tells me that all these concepts of narcissim, sociopathy, lack of empathy are truly difficult for me to get my head around. When you talk about Kate I would personally go for a middle line: yes, she fears for her own personal being and no, I don't think she really cared about Madeleine; but maybe she still feels some guilt for the whole sorry incident, as evidenced by when she told Amaral of her dream. It seemed to me that was a half-hearted attempt at confession."

http://patbrownprofiling.blogspot.co.uk/2013/11/i-knew-straight-away-shed-been-taken.html?showComment=1383480988917#c6285236295279215608



@Tony. I hope this person gets help especially if they are teaching children.
Aquila I am more than happy to have you read these things or else I wouldn't write them; I've always been very open about who and what I am. I am Thomas Baden-Riess, the author of eight books and without doubt one of England's finest writers. I may be in many ways mad, but madness is always inextricably linked with genius, and in any case we're all guilty of being mad. I think the difference between people like you and I, is my honesty and self-understanding. At the end of the day all people are good and bad, just in different ways.

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Post by Romario on 26.11.13 14:14

I am more than happy to leave this forum now, since I don't want anything to do with it anymore. I am sorry that any kind of rational debate on this subject seems off limits. If people want to accuse me of being a peadophile they should be very careful. There are places on the internet where people from this site have been blackmouthed as such. I didn't much like it then but find it strange that people are happy to call me such things. I warn you, I have youth and vigour on my side so these allegations brush off me very well.

Maybe I have offended people with my views on God. For the record I would love to believe in God, but unfortunately there's less scientific evidence for his existnece than there is for the abduction of Madeleine Mccann. As for my interest in Madeleine Mccann being macabre -- that I believe is why everyone is interested in it, the same reason why crime novels are so unbelievably popular. I just have the guts to actually say these things.

I am confident in the fullness of time people will appreciate me for what I am. I am 33 now, so I still have time to achieve my aims.

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Post by bobbin on 26.11.13 14:33

Good luck with your writing young man, but remember that a really good writer would know that 'between' calls for the 'objective case' e.g. between you and me (not I). This is an error that Gerry McCann very often makes. It makes him look uneducated and not in masterly control of the English language.

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Post by PeterMac on 26.11.13 14:51

@bobbin wrote:Good luck with your writing young man, but remember that a really good writer would know that 'between' calls for the 'objective case'  e.g. between you and me (not I). This is an error that Gerry McCann very often makes. It makes him look uneducated and not in masterly control of the English language.
And you also need to learn how to spell.
Incidentally madness is not "always inextricably involved with genius". Some mad people are simply mad.
A few creative people have been diagnosed - years later - as having suffered from bi-polar disorder, but that is about the extent of that link.

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Post by Guest on 26.11.13 15:33

I can't claim to be very literary minded - has anyone more in the know ever heard of Thomas Baden-Reiss who in his own words is one of England's finest writers?

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Post by Romario on 26.11.13 15:42

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:I can't claim to be very literary minded - has anyone more in the know ever heard of Thomas Baden-Reiss who in his own words is one of England's finest writers?
No Fate worse than Death, I want to say that I like you, you offer very reasoned responses on most issues. Incidentally you won't hear anyone but me say what I said, but I only say it because it's true and no one else does. Only time will tell whether or not I get any recognition or whether I die broken, but I stand by what I claim, because I know what I have achieved.

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Post by Romario on 26.11.13 15:46

@bobbin wrote:Good luck with your writing young man, but remember that a really good writer would know that 'between' calls for the 'objective case'  e.g. between you and me (not I). This is an error that Gerry McCann very often makes. It makes him look uneducated and not in masterly control of the English language.
Bobbin I stand corrected. I think there could be nothing worse than reading a book where Gerry Mccann appears to be speaking to you.
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Post by notlongnow on 26.11.13 16:03

Good luck with your books.thumbsup

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Post by Romario on 26.11.13 16:07

@notlongnow wrote:Good luck with your books.thumbsup
Thanks!

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Post by Guest on 26.11.13 16:09

Available on Amazon as Kindle book:

License to Stalk: the true story of a war on terror, secret agent
by Thomas Baden-Riess (Nov 7, 2013)

The Diary of a Toiletgoer
by Thomas Baden-Riess (Dec 25, 2012)

Books here, as well as a biography:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Thomas-Baden-Riess/e/B00ASIUYZ0/ref=ntt_dp_epwbk_0

ETA which has 3 typos winkwink 

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Post by ultimaThule on 26.11.13 22:55

@Romario wrote:Whilst I'm definitely not one for excusing people's behaviour by saying they have a condition or an illness or something, and whilst I can see that treatments for peadophillia are more than likely completely ineffective, isn't it a bit silly to just dismiss peadophiles as being scum of the earth who need to be eradicated? It seems to me now that paedophillia is endemic, that lots of so-called normal people are practising it and that maybe they do need some help. My feeling is that peadophiles feel aggrieved and that the more people simply write them off as scum, the more determined and devious they will become to cover everything up at all costs.

One question that has always interested me is, when people have sympathy/hatred for an offender (in any crime) is that because they can understand their motives or because they can't understand their motives. Personally with peadophiles, I just don't get what it's about. Maybe that's why I'm willing to be (slightly) sympathetic.

I also think that eventually, and very soon in fact, the virtual reality sex era will begin; and so in this case, if a peadophile was just acting out their fantasies without harming children, would that be acceptable?
If you read my words, Romario, you will see I have not dismissed paedophiles as the scum of the earth nor have I stated they need to be eradicated. 

As you have admitted, you 'don't get what it's about' and I would suggest you read this article http://www.bernardomahoney.com/forthcb/pdt/articles/sh7yom.shtml and reflect on the fact that the fairly graphic account of what happend happened to this 7 year old child in the time before she was strangled to death while fully conscious is but an Enid Blyton story in comparison with the post-mortem report of her autopsy.  

Had this child's paedophile murderer allowed her to live after he had satiated his lust, the physical and psychological damage he inflicted on her may have been healed in time but the greater problem is that for every child who is killed by a paedophile within a matter of hours of the encounter, thousands of children endure similar but non-fatal attacks repeatedly throughout their young, and in many cases short, lives - those lives often being prematurely curtailed by their own hands when they become adults, or by the hands of others in the making of snuff movies after they have been used and abused to a point where they have no value in a paedophile market which is ever eager for new young flesh.

You have posited the question "if a peadophile was just acting out their fantasies without harming children, would that be acceptable? to which I ask you this question 'if a paedophile was just acting out their fantasies using mental images of your children, would that be acceptable to you?' and ask you to consider whether you would you want such a person playing any part in the lives of your children or having any association with them.

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Post by Romario on 27.11.13 9:12

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@Romario wrote:Whilst I'm definitely not one for excusing people's behaviour by saying they have a condition or an illness or something, and whilst I can see that treatments for peadophillia are more than likely completely ineffective, isn't it a bit silly to just dismiss peadophiles as being scum of the earth who need to be eradicated? It seems to me now that paedophillia is endemic, that lots of so-called normal people are practising it and that maybe they do need some help. My feeling is that peadophiles feel aggrieved and that the more people simply write them off as scum, the more determined and devious they will become to cover everything up at all costs.

One question that has always interested me is, when people have sympathy/hatred for an offender (in any crime) is that because they can understand their motives or because they can't understand their motives. Personally with peadophiles, I just don't get what it's about. Maybe that's why I'm willing to be (slightly) sympathetic.

I also think that eventually, and very soon in fact, the virtual reality sex era will begin; and so in this case, if a peadophile was just acting out their fantasies without harming children, would that be acceptable?
If you read my words, Romario, you will see I have not dismissed paedophiles as the scum of the earth nor have I stated they need to be eradicated. 

Ultima, I wasn't having a go at you personally.

As you have admitted, you 'don't get what it's about' and I would suggest you read this article http://www.bernardomahoney.com/forthcb/pdt/articles/sh7yom.shtml and reflect on the fact that the fairly graphic account of what happend happened to this 7 year old child in the time before she was strangled to death while fully conscious is but an Enid Blyton story in comparison with the post-mortem report of her autopsy.  

When I said I didn't get it, I meant I don't understand why somebody would be a peadophile; and not just that, but why everbody suddenly seems to be one. I can understand why people are addicted to pornography for example; but child rape, no.

Had this child's paedophile murderer allowed her to live after he had satiated his lust, the physical and psychological damage he inflicted on her may have been healed in time but the greater problem is that for every child who is killed by a paedophile within a matter of hours of the encounter, thousands of children endure similar but non-fatal attacks repeatedly throughout their young, and in many cases short, lives - those lives often being prematurely curtailed by their own hands when they become adults, or by the hands of others in the making of snuff movies after they have been used and abused to a point where they have no value in a paedophile market which is ever eager for new young flesh.

Yes, and I'm not disputing that


You have posited the question "if a peadophile was just acting out their fantasies without harming children, would that be acceptable? to which I ask you this question 'if a paedophile was just acting out their fantasies using mental images of your children, would that be acceptable to you?' and ask you to consider whether you would you want such a person playing any part in the lives of your children or having any association with them.

I think there are two facts we have to accept: 1) peadophiles can't be cured and 2) virtual reality worlds and virtual reality sex, will, let's say within the next 50 years, become a reality. In my view, by that time, normal human interaction will have come to an end in many instances, and many people will simply be locked away in a room, acting out their fantasies, utterly disconnected from the real world and, in the case of peadophiles, with no possibility of interacting with it or harming anyone.

You ask me about my own kids and here is the point I'm trying to make: I don't have any. So a certain amount of intuition is lacking for me. If I did, or if I saw first hand the damage of peadophilia, I think I would
very quickly change my views.

Let's not have a war on this Ultima. I was simply stating some views in a debate and they aren't neccesarily what I think. The fact that this is a very complex issue, is evidenced by the fact that peadophillia seems endemic and nobody has succeeded in stamping it out. 
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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 27.11.13 9:31

A huge investigation needs to be launched into the whole nature of paedophilia.

It is obvious that a human brain which harbours any sexual thoughts about a child is not a correctly wired or functioning brain. There is something completely wrong with the person. A normal acceptable person sees the infant and child as being the vulnerable person, to be protected at all costs from harm of any kind so that they can grow and thrive. 

We simply do not know if there is a biological component to this evil condition. Is it a free-will choice or is it a compulsion / malfunction that the pedophile cannot override with an inner control or sense of decency.

If there is a biological component, i.e. a deformed aspect within the genes, part of the persons blueprint, we must strive to discover this. If there is a genetic component which could be passed down to offspring we need to find this out, we need to know. 

This is a vile aberration which must be fought at every turn, it is disgusting it has taken this long for Google to take the matter of perverted material on the net seriously. It should NEVER have been allowed to find a place on the net at all. 

Paedophiles SHOULD be demonised by society, the sentences should be LIFE WITH NO PAROLE and the message MUST be sent out that it is THE MOST DISGUSTING AND REVILED aberration in society. 

Whatever the causes of this evil, we have a duty to our children, and our children's children to find ways to remove it from society and to give no foothold or liberty to those who would perpetrate the greatest evil on our children.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 27.11.13 10:18

@Smokeandmirrors wrote:A huge investigation needs to be launched into the whole nature of paedophilia.

REPLY:  That would probably be helpful, but any such investigation would need to produce very clear recommendations about how this could be eradicated or minimised. It would have to include much tougher sentences, for a start, and there would have to be draconioan legislation to take child abuse images off the internet and elsewhere - not an easy thing to achieve especially since the growth of file-sharing using encryption

It is obvious that a human brain which harbours any sexual thoughts about a child is not a correctly wired or functioning brain. There is something completely wrong with the person. A normal acceptable person sees the infant and child as being the vulnerable person, to be protected at all costs from harm of any kind so that they can grow and thrive. 

REPLY:  I would prefer to see us label these kinds of sexual thoughts as evil.  We might, I am sure, have different views about certain sexual practices. Sado-masochism and S & M for a start - widely promoted through the most popular book of the decade: Fifty Shades of Grey. Which unfortunately has contributed to a significantly greater number of women reporting anal injuries to their GPs. Or take for example the range of utterly depraved sexual perversions of Robert Murat as reported by the witness Carlos Manuel Mateus Costa. I won't repeat them here, but they can be looked at on any of the sites which reproduce the PJ witness statements.  But clearly taking sexual advantage of a child is taking sexual perversion to a much lower level - one of the reasons I attack the Roman Catholic Church as often as I can for the systematic way in which thousands of its priests have been allowed to get away with their appalling crimes - made worse by them being in positions of trust as so-called spiritual leaders.   

We simply do not know if there is a biological component to this evil condition. Is it a free-will choice or is it a compulsion / malfunction that the pedophile cannot override with an inner control or sense of decency.

REPLY:  There is zero evidence that there is a 'biological' component to this. It is learned behaviour. The only justification or explanation that perhaps we can allow, so as to enable us to understand these practices, is that often we find that child sex abusers have themselves often been seriously abused. Then again many seriously abused children are able to overcome that terrible start in life and bring up happy. loved children. 

If there is a biological component, i.e. a deformed aspect within the genes, part of the persons blueprint, we must strive to discover this. If there is a genetic component which could be passed down to offspring we need to find this out, we need to know. 

REPLY:  No. We look in vain for genetic components for things like paedophilia and homosexual orientation. 

This is a vile aberration which must be fought at every turn, it is disgusting it has taken this long for Google to take the matter of perverted material on the net seriously. It should NEVER have been allowed to find a place on the net at all. 

REPLY:  Wholeheartedly agree. All the internet companies that have facilitated child sex abuse images on the net should be MADE BY LAW TO PAY for e.g. compensation to child sexual abuse victims, counselling services for child sexual abuse victims. The greedy owners of these internet companies have PROFITED at the expense of children being brutally abused.

Paedophiles SHOULD be demonised by society, the sentences should be LIFE WITH NO PAROLE and the message MUST be sent out that it is THE MOST DISGUSTING AND REVILED aberration in society. 

REPLY: My only comment here, and I hope this won't be misunderstood by anyone, is that, as with other offences, the law does recognise that offences can be a matter of degree. Even in matters of child sexual abuse, sentences must be proportionate.

Whatever the causes of this evil, we have a duty to our children, and our children's children to find ways to remove it from society and to give no foothold or liberty to those who would perpetrate the greatest evil on our children.

REPLY:  Yes. Those of us concerned about this should not only write messages on the internet expressing our disgust with these crimes, but we should also take what practical action we can to help to eradicate them. At present, they are on the increase. 

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