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Chairman of the Co-op Bank, Rev. Paul Flowers (a Methodist Minister), took cocaine, ketamine, crystal meth, GHB and cannabis at "2-day, drug-fuelled gay orgy" (his words!)

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Post by Angelique on 21.11.13 11:15

What I liked the most in this debacle is the way Cameron and Milliband threw accusations in Parliament about the past corruption in each of their opposing parties. 

Outing each others dirty washing!  big grin

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This is an absolute gift to Cartoonists.

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Can it get worse ? YES.

Post by PeterMac on 22.11.13 9:06

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/10466679/Rev-Paul-Flowers-links-to-Cyril-Smith.html
The Rev Paul Flowers had close political links to Sir Cyril Smith, the late Liberal Democrat MP accused of several child abuse offences, it was disclosed on Thursday.
The disgraced Methodist minister, who was chairman of the Co-op bank for three years, was a member of Rochdale council at the same time as Smith, who died in 2010 aged 82.
Mr Flowers also helped oversee Rochdale social services at the time of an alleged Satanic abuse scandal, the council confirmed.
It was alleged that Smith raped boys at Knowl View special school and abused boys at Cambridge House Children’s Home, a privately-run care home in the Lancashire town which closed in 1965.
Smith was never prosecuted for any crime, although the Crown Prosecution Service last year admitted that he should have been prosecuted for abusing boys in the 1960s.

Smith was originally a Labour councillor in Rochdale and later a Liberal then Liberal Democrat MP for the town from 1972 to 1992. His brother, Norman Smith, who was mayor of Rochdale in 1986-87, said that Mr Flowers sat on council committees with Sir Cyril.
“Cyril was more involved with [Paul Flowers] than me. Cyril was a councillor and MP at the time,” he said.
“They knew each other by being on the council, and of course he was a prominent minister. They were on committees together.”
Mr Smith said Mr Flowers was the minister of Champness Hall in Drake Street, in the centre of Rochdale. He added: “He was respected in some quarters, but not in other quarters. I always remember people saying, 'he will go a long way, that lad’. They were impressed by him.
“He was obviously going to make a name for himself, and he has done. He was a prominent man — when you were in a room and he came in, you knew he was there.”
There is no suggestion that Mr Flowers is linked to any of the allegations around Sir Cyril Smith.
A spokesman for Rochdale Borough Council confirmed that Mr Flowers was a councillor from 1988 to 1992. The minister served as vice-chairman of the social services committee in 1990/91, and sat on the committee in the previous and following years.
During that time, 16 children in the town were taken into care because it was alleged that they had been abused and forced into Satanic rituals — but a lengthy investigation found no evidence of abuse or devil worship. West Yorkshire Police raided Mr Flowers’s home earlier this week after he was filmed apparently buying class-A drugs including crack cocaine and crystal meth. Mr Flowers may face arrest as part of the police inquiry, it is understood.
It can also be disclosed that Mr Flowers received a conviction for drink-driving while serving as a councillor in Rochdale.
He was caught drink-driving in Manchester in 1990 after celebrating his 40th birthday. It is thought he was later handed a driving ban by magistrates.
A spokesman for the Methodist Church said: “We are aware of the matter. Our usual processes were followed and Rev Flowers was very sorry. This matter did not preclude him from his activities in the church and he was allowed to continue in his ministry.”
Mr Flowers was also convicted of carrying out a sex act in a Hampshire public toilet more than 30 years ago.
He also resigned as a Labour councillor in Bradford in 2011 after “inappropriate but not illegal adult content” was found on a computer he used.
It has been alleged that Mr Flowers communicated with rent boys using his work email account while he was in charge of the Co-op bank.
David Cameron has ordered an inquiry into how someone like Mr Flowers could come to run a major British financial institution.
The Prime Minister has said that the Co-op bank had been “driven into the wall” by Mr Flowers.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 22.11.13 9:16

@PeterMac wrote:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financialcrisis/10466679/Rev-Paul-Flowers-links-to-Cyril-Smith.html
The Rev Paul Flowers had close political links to Sir Cyril Smith, the late Liberal Democrat MP accused of several child abuse offences, it was disclosed on Thursday.
The disgraced Methodist minister, who was chairman of the Co-op bank for three years, was a member of Rochdale council at the same time as Smith, who died in 2010 aged 82.
Mr Flowers also helped oversee Rochdale social services at the time of an alleged Satanic abuse scandal, the council confirmed.
It was alleged that Smith raped boys at Knowl View special school and abused boys at Cambridge House Children’s Home, a privately-run care home in the Lancashire town which closed in 1965.
Smith was never prosecuted for any crime, although the Crown Prosecution Service last year admitted that he should have been prosecuted for abusing boys in the 1960s.

Smith was originally a Labour councillor in Rochdale and later a Liberal then Liberal Democrat MP for the town from 1972 to 1992. His brother, Norman Smith, who was mayor of Rochdale in 1986-87, said that Mr Flowers sat on council committees with Sir Cyril.
“Cyril was more involved with [Paul Flowers] than me. Cyril was a councillor and MP at the time,” he said.
“They knew each other by being on the council, and of course he was a prominent minister. They were on committees together.”
Mr Smith said Mr Flowers was the minister of Champness Hall in Drake Street, in the centre of Rochdale. He added: “He was respected in some quarters, but not in other quarters. I always remember people saying, 'he will go a long way, that lad’. They were impressed by him.
“He was obviously going to make a name for himself, and he has done. He was a prominent man — when you were in a room and he came in, you knew he was there.”
There is no suggestion that Mr Flowers is linked to any of the allegations around Sir Cyril Smith.
A spokesman for Rochdale Borough Council confirmed that Mr Flowers was a councillor from 1988 to 1992. The minister served as vice-chairman of the social services committee in 1990/91, and sat on the committee in the previous and following years.
During that time, 16 children in the town were taken into care because it was alleged that they had been abused and forced into Satanic rituals — but a lengthy investigation found no evidence of abuse or devil worship. West Yorkshire Police raided Mr Flowers’s home earlier this week after he was filmed apparently buying class-A drugs including crack cocaine and crystal meth. Mr Flowers may face arrest as part of the police inquiry, it is understood.
It can also be disclosed that Mr Flowers received a conviction for drink-driving while serving as a councillor in Rochdale.
He was caught drink-driving in Manchester in 1990 after celebrating his 40th birthday. It is thought he was later handed a driving ban by magistrates.
A spokesman for the Methodist Church said: “We are aware of the matter. Our usual processes were followed and Rev Flowers was very sorry. This matter did not preclude him from his activities in the church and he was allowed to continue in his ministry.”
Mr Flowers was also convicted of carrying out a sex act in a Hampshire public toilet more than 30 years ago.
He also resigned as a Labour councillor in Bradford in 2011 after “inappropriate but not illegal adult content” was found on a computer he used.
It has been alleged that Mr Flowers communicated with rent boys using his work email account while he was in charge of the Co-op bank.
David Cameron has ordered an inquiry into how someone like Mr Flowers could come to run a major British financial institution.
The Prime Minister has said that the Co-op bank had been “driven into the wall” by Mr Flowers.
QUOTE"There is no suggestion that Mr Flowers is linked to any of the allegations around Sir Cyril Smith".

Classic!

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Post by Tony Bennett on 22.11.13 9:31

Paul Flowers arrested on drugs charges:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25047376

Detective: Who was your supplier?

Rev. Paul Flowers: No comment

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Post by PeterMac on 22.11.13 9:53

Meanwhile, the Methodist Church has said it is providing "pastoral care" for Mr Flowers, who is indefinitely suspended as a minister.
Pastoral = ORIGIN late Middle English : from Latin pastoralis ‘relating to a shepherd,’ from pastor ‘shepherd’.

One of the things a shepherd does is prepare lambs for slaughter.

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Post by Tony Bennett on 22.11.13 10:05

@PeterMac wrote:
Meanwhile, the Methodist Church has said it is providing "pastoral care" for Mr Flowers, who is indefinitely suspended as a minister.
Pastoral = ORIGIN late Middle English : from Latin pastoralis ‘relating to a shepherd,’ from pastor ‘shepherd’.

One of the things a shepherd does is prepare lambs for slaughter.
In better days gone by, if any of these things had happened:

* sex with another man in a public toilet

* driving while drunk

* looking at porn on your office computer

* nicking up to £150,000 from a charity (allegedly)

* attending 2-day 'gay orgies'

* using rent boys

* buying crystal meth, GHB, crack cocaine, cannabis and other illegal substances...

...you wouldn't get 'pastoral care'...you would be

disfellowshipped i.e. excluded from church membership and attendance, either for life, or until serious and obvious repentance


ETA:  Evil people can be completely changed round by Christian conversion though:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Newton

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Post by Tony Bennett on 22.11.13 10:27

@Miss Trunchbull wrote:Blimey.
When did he find time to run the bank?lol
I think there was a mis-spelling in your post.

Should it not read:

When did he find time to ruin the bank?

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Post by Miss Trunchbull on 22.11.13 10:43

I was looking at the humorous side of this extraordinary tale.

As the great Count Arthur Strong would say "You couldn't maaaake it up."

Anyway, I have an O-level in Maths, plus I worked on a market stall as a teenager. I believe this qualifies me for a top job with the Co-Op Bank and I hear there's a vacancy now......

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Post by Guest on 22.11.13 10:45

Dammit, I was hoping for that job but you're better qualified than me with my CSE in Maths and my Saturday job at Woolworths.

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Post by PeterMac on 22.11.13 11:44

Overqualified, both of you.

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Post by tegan1973 on 23.11.13 13:42

This has been my favourite news story of the week. The daily Flowers shock show. How the hell did Flowers manage to get so much power? People must have known what he was up to.

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Post by PeterMac on 23.11.13 13:54

@tegan1973 wrote:This has been my favourite news story of the week. The daily Flowers shock show. How the hell did Flowers manage to get so much power? People must have known what he was up to.
Mine too.
I have a very refined sense of Schadenfreude, in which on this occasion I am revelling.

Did we realise that Balls is officially the "Labour and Co-op" member for his constituency.
WIKI
Labour and Co-operative (often abbreviated Labour Co-op) describes those candidates in British elections standing on behalf of both the Labour Party and the Co-operative Party, based on a national agreement between the two parties.
Although many Labour Party candidates, and over 200 of the current Parliamentary Labour Party, are members of the Co-operative Party, including Ed Miliband and most colleagues from his Shadow Cabinet, only those candidates who have been officially endorsed by both parties may use the designation Labour Co-operative — 44 candidates in the 2010 elections of which 28 were elected, including the Shadow Chancellor of the Exchequer Ed Balls. Only Labour Co-operative MPs and peers belong to the parliamentary Co-operative Party group.
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The Co-operative Party is a political party in the United Kingdom committed to supporting and representing co-operative principles. The party does not put up candidates for UK elections, instead, Co-operative candidates stand jointly with the Labour Party as "Labour and Co-operative Party" candidates. Whilst Co-operative Party members may join the Labour Party, they are not permitted to be members of any other political party in the UK, and the Co-operative Party is legally a separate political organisation.
I confess I had no idea this existed as a Political party. And the bit in italic is very sinister.

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Post by Miss Trunchbull on 23.11.13 14:19

People like David Icke go on about 'The Illuminati' and their sinister and shadowy control over the years, when really it's much closer to home and far more mundane. 

Who'd have thought the Co-Operative movement harboured such seedy - and worryingly powerful - characters?

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Fall out begins. Bad news for Labour

Post by PeterMac on 24.11.13 9:11

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/23/labour-faces-co-op-cash-crisis
Labour faces cash crisis as Co-op's new bosses move to cut funding
Flowers scandal fallout 'could cost £850,000' in what would be a major blow for the party in the runup to a general election.
The Labour party is facing a major financial crisis after the scandal stricken Co-operative Group told its MPs that they will slash their funding as part of a review of their historic partnership.

At least a third of the £850,000 annual donation given to Ed Miliband's MPs is to be cut, with one senior Labour figure admitting that he believed all funding from the mutual could soon be stopped.
Such a move would be a major blow for Miliband in the runup to the general election, as it comes after the GMB union's decision to cut their £1m a year funding to Labour by 90%. It is feared that other affiliated unions could make similar announcements before 2015.
The development comes as the Observer can reveal that local authorities across Britain have been warned by financial advisers to urgently remove their money from Co-op bank accounts in the wake of the recent crises, including the arrest of Rev Paul Flowers in connection with the supply of class A drugs.
Mark Horsfield, director at advisers Arlingclose, whose clients include 30 local authorities which bank with the Co-op, said the situation was getting worse by the day as the bank was being buffeted by scandal. Headteachers managing school budgets have also been told to "watch out with the Co-op" by their local authorities on his firm's advice, Horsfield revealed, prompting concerns of a wider run on the bank.
"Such is the nature of the deterioration, we have advised clients to sweep any exposure of bank accounts in the Co-op," he said. "We have not only issued the advice but have made sure it is implemented. Many of them [the local authorities] had already come to that conclusion, but we have been reiterating and published advice again on Thursday softly reminding clients, and keeping it at the top of our agenda."
Around 150 local authorities are believed to bank with the Co-op and Horsfield said he believed other consultants would be offering the same advice.
A Co-op Group spokesman said the most recent figures, for the first half of the year, including the period since credit agency Moody's downgraded its rating, showed that £1.6bn in corporate deposits had been taken out of the bank. He believed retail deposits, where cash is not being held for investments, were currently "broadly stable".
As the scandal has rocked the Co-op, a Labour source said that informal contact had been made with senior politicians to warn of an impending cut to funding for the 32 MPs who are members of both Labour and the Co-operative parties.
The MPs most affected by the Co-op cuts met in private in the Commons Boothroyd room on Wednesday. Barry Sheerman, MP for Huddersfield, who attended the meeting, said: "There is no doubt there is going to be a 30% cut across the board."
Donations from the Co-op Group go to MPs and councillors who represent Labour and the Co-op party, an affiliated organisation which, after running costs, spends its money on the election campaigns of the MPs. Labour MPs have become particularly concerned for the future of the Co-op Group after it emerged that the mutual is now being advised by Quiller Consultants, whose senior executives include David Cameron's former special adviser, Sean Worth, and George Bridges, a close friend of George Osborne and former campaign director for the Conservatives under Cameron when in opposition.
No wonder Milliband and Balls are trying to say it is all a Tory plot.
And they have upset Unite,

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Post by tegan1973 on 24.11.13 9:26

Politicians are so pathetic. Flowers might have been brought down by all of this being made public, but it was his disgraceful behaviour that led to his downfall.

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Post by aquila on 01.12.13 3:36

Today's Mail on Sunday 1st December 2013

Crystal Methodist in link to school described as 'sweet shop for paedophiles' as plans for Amsterdam holiday with male prostitutes is revealed

  • Flowers was vice-chairman of Rochdale Council's social services committee

  • It oversaw Knowl View School for boys with behavioural problems

  • Now subject to an investigation into the sexual abuse of former pupils
  • School closed in 1995, after staff member alerted council bosses to problems
  • Rochdale Council is conducting an inquiry into Flowers's years as councillor
  • Texts reveal he planned Amsterdam trip with rent boys after MoS expose
  • He took coke, crack and weed before leading Remembrance Day service

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2516192/Crystal-Methodist-link-school-described-sweet-shop-paedophiles.html#ixzz2mBtAbvMW

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Post by Guest on 01.12.13 11:47

The Rev Flowers must regret that, unlike certain other people, his friends are not influential and powerful enough to prevent the media printing anything detrimental about him.

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The life of a 'Crystal Methodist'

Post by Tony Bennett on 01.12.13 13:18

Hard to believe, but true!


 
Flowers's text to his rent boy: 'I'll use telephone banking to pay you... when I'm not so trolleyed'
Since The Mail on Sunday first revealed his debauched lifestyle, the Reverend Paul Flowers’s fall from grace has been accompanied by lurid text insights into a man obsessed by drugs and sex.
Now a series of text messages between the Methodist minister and a male escort throws a fresh light on the depths of his depravity and prove that his use of hard drugs was no aberration.

As these messages show, immediately after the story of his shocking lifestyle first became public, he was planning a trip to Amsterdam with two rent boys.
And his favourite method of payment for the services of young men was telephone banking.

We join the minister on October 29, after he has spent the day waiting in vain to give evidence to the Treasury Select Committee, only for his appearance to be rescheduled.
He is reclining with one escort while making plans to see two more the following night...





'Still at it... had 8 grams of Charlie and some G'
Flowers surfaced mid-afternoon and once he transferred the money for sex, his mind was soon back to his other preoccupation .  .  . hard drugs.



'No, seeing MPs wasn't for church... it was for co-op'
It's the following Wednesday and his appearance before the MPs is over



'Coke, crack and weed before leading Cenotaph service'
With a prayer to read later that morning at Bradford’s Remembrance Day service, Rev Flowers limbered up with an alarming unholy trinity of mind-altering substances.


'In a k-hole for 12 hours... am a tad shaky'
His post-Select Committee bender still ongoing, a friend helps the Rev find a novel new way of imbibing his favourite horse tranquilliser, ketamine.



'Disgraceful!' The day after his exposure by the MoS
Worried by the sudden break of contact, his friends ask if something’s wrong. It is. His double life has been exposed by The Mail on Sunday.



...and then planning a trip to Amsterdam with rent boys
Ever the forward-planner, Paul Flowers is soon thinking ahead to when the story is all forgotten and holidays can be taken .  .  . with rent boys .  .  . in Amsterdam .  .  . naturally.


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Post by PeterMac on 01.12.13 14:25

And we are going to be told that not one of his friends, nor a single one of his colleagues knew or suspected anything.

Exactly like Esther Ranzten.

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Post by aiyoyo on 01.12.13 15:37

They all turned a blind eye because Flowers is rich, high up the social ladder, hence powerful.

If he's poor, it would be different.

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