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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case

Post by Guest on 22.11.13 17:56

Chatelaine, I think that all the photos of her have been partly obscured for reasons of privacy.

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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case

Post by Guest on 22.11.13 18:11

@ChillyHeat wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann



Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty.

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That's a phrase that's been engraved in my mind. I am convinced that BOD didn't write that [like that] for "nothing", like there are many other things in her Guardian articles that raise eyebrows ...

Sorry, something went wrong here and my text landed in yours ... Châtelaine



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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case

Post by Lance De Boils on 22.11.13 18:11

One of Neil Berry's daughters also looked remarkably like Madeleine. And was about the same age.

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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case

Post by chillyheat on 22.11.13 18:13

Châtelaine wrote:
@ChillyHeat wrote:http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2007/dec/14/ukcrime.madeleinemccann



Earlier that day there had been tennis lessons for the children, with some of the parents watching proudly as their girls ran across the court chasing tennis balls. They took photos. Madeleine must have been there, but I couldn't distinguish her from the others. They all looked the same - all blonde, all pink and pretty.

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That's a phrase that's been engraved in my mind. I am convinced that BOD didn't write that [like that] for "nothing", like there are many other things in her Guardian articles that raise eyebrows ...


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I totally agree....There is more to this couple than meets the eye.

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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case

Post by chillyheat on 22.11.13 18:17

@Lance De Boils wrote:One of Neil Berry's daughters also looked remarkably like Madeleine. And was about the same age.
Sometimes it feels like a psyop....A Vicsim situation.
All Tavistockish big grin

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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case

Post by ultimaThule on 22.11.13 18:21

Given all of the words of comfort than can be gleaned from the bible for those who are of a Christian persuasion, I found the marked passages in KM's bedtime reading at the rented villa curious. 

Although I prefer the King James edition, this happy clappers' translation raises the question of who, in KM's mind, is David and who is Uriah - and how was Bathsheba so sure the child she was carrying was David's? 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Samuel+11-12&version=NIV

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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case

Post by Guest on 22.11.13 19:13

I have an original Oxford Bible of 1750. Will go up to check that translation and see if offers some enlightening ... But supper first ;-)

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Post by bobbin on 22.11.13 20:50

@ultimaThule wrote:Given all of the words of comfort than can be gleaned from the bible for those who are of a Christian persuasion, I found the marked passages in KM's bedtime reading at the rented villa curious. 

Although I prefer the King James edition, this happy clappers' translation raises the question of who, in KM's mind, is David and who is Uriah - and how was Bathsheba so sure the child she was carrying was David's? 

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2+Samuel+11-12&version=NIV
I have just read the story of David, his stealing of another man's wife, his arranging of this loyal man's assassination, then his own self indulgent response to God after his son, with the loyal man's wife, died, followed by the sacking of a neighbouring city and the taking of pillage.
All apparently justified in David's mind.
Now why would Kate be opening the Book at these Old Testament pages.

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Post by ultimaThule on 22.11.13 21:24

It occurs to me that the 'poor man's lamb' may also have some signifance as it's another theft of a cherished being by a man who, while most probably not as wealthy as David, wasn't lacking in spondulas.

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Post by Guest on 22.11.13 21:30

Because ... then ... maybe ...

20 So David arose from the ground, washed and anointed himself, and changed his clothes; and he went into the house of the Lord and worshiped. Then he went to his own house; and when he requested, they set food before him, and he ate.

21 Then his servants said to him, “What is this that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive, but when the child died, you arose and ate food.”

22 And he said, “While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who can tell whether the Lord[b] will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’

23 But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.”

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Post by Guest on 22.11.13 21:32

David seems to get around a bit..

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Post by ekatae on 22.11.13 21:38

So fascinating...I think I need to read more on this Forum, particularly with reference to the Bible...

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Post by bobbin on 22.11.13 22:30

@Portia wrote:Since when do Catholics read Bibles?

Sure, the are read to, but peruse them themselves?

As a catholic myself I just wondered
Here in France it has been forbidden for Catholics to read or even 'own' the Old Testament. The O.T. can only be read with a priest who controls what may be studied and he does the interpreting.
I found this stunning since in the UK we grew up with both Old Testament and New Testament together and could study both freely to kingdom come.


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Post by ekatae on 22.11.13 22:44

In Liverpool many people do not go to church, however, the wearing of crosses, christenings of babies, and turning to the Bible in times of 'comfort' is encouraged openly (think maybe to deep Irish/Catholic roots)...

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Post by Guest on 22.11.13 22:55

@bobbin wrote: [...] Here in France it has been forbidden for Catholics to read or even 'own' the Old Testament. The O.T. can only be read with a priest who controls what may be studied and he does the interpreting.
I found this stunning since in the UK we grew up with both Old Testament and New Testament together and could study both freely to kingdom come.

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Huh? Thanks for the tip. I'll hide mine straight-away somewhere, where even my housekeeper won't find it ...

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Post by lj on 23.11.13 0:08

Châtelaine wrote:Because ... then ... maybe ...

20 So David arose from the ground, washed and anointed himself, and changed his clothes; and he went into the house of the Lord and worshiped. Then he went to his own house; and when he requested, they set food before him, and he ate.

21 Then his servants said to him, “What is this that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive, but when the child died, you arose and ate food.”

22 And he said, “While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who can tell whether the Lord[b] will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’

23 But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.”
IIRC that was the crucial part tecommended by "father" Hubbard. I always thought that was to silence any leftover from their conscience so they could eat, drink, run around, play tennis, be happy without any guilt.

Central in the story though is that the child died.

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Post by littlepixie on 23.11.13 0:13

David was forgiven by Jehovah for committing adultery and setting up the death of the womans husband. Maybe that is why Kate was reading it hoping she would be forgiven for whatever she had done or thought she had done.
I know I used to think there was another personal significance in it regarding the child, but it could just be that "if David was forgiven for what he did then why can't I be"?

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Post by aquila on 23.11.13 0:17

@lj wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:Because ... then ... maybe ...

20 So David arose from the ground, washed and anointed himself, and changed his clothes; and he went into the house of the Lord and worshiped. Then he went to his own house; and when he requested, they set food before him, and he ate.

21 Then his servants said to him, “What is this that you have done? You fasted and wept for the child while he was alive, but when the child died, you arose and ate food.”

22 And he said, “While the child was alive, I fasted and wept; for I said, ‘Who can tell whether the Lord[b] will be gracious to me, that the child may live?’

23 But now he is dead; why should I fast? Can I bring him back again? I shall go to him, but he shall not return to me.”
IIRC that was the crucial part tecommended by "father" Hubbard. I always thought that was to silence any leftover from their conscience so they could eat, drink, run around, play tennis, be happy without any guilt.

Central in the story though is that the child died.
Oh my Lord, Father Hubbard, the slick preacher from Canada, shipped in coincidentally. Father Hubbard, the man who just loves to talk to the media, the one with the fancy watch on his wrist, the one with the wife who became Kate's bestest friend, the one whose house in PDL was robbed and his laptop was nicked.

Oh my Lord, Father Hubbard.

For newbies...look him up.

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Post by littlepixie on 23.11.13 0:23

Kennedy if he was still a Witness would have been a preacher as would Murats girlfriend.

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Post by ultimaThule on 23.11.13 0:36

@bobbin wrote:
@Portia wrote:Since when do Catholics read Bibles?

Sure, the are read to, but peruse them themselves?

As a catholic myself I just wondered
Here in France it has been forbidden for Catholics to read or even 'own' the Old Testament. The O.T. can only be read with a priest who controls what may be studied and he does the interpreting.
I found this stunning since in the UK we grew up with both Old Testament and New Testament together and could study both freely to kingdom come.

I wasn't aware the Old Testment is off limits for rank and file Catholics. 

Of course the OT is full of smiting, smoting, raping, pillaging, and false idols, not to mention adultery, fornication, bestiality, and begatting which is, presumably, why only priests are allowed access to what would seem to be a book which may give rise to pornographic images polluting the minds of the uninitiated, so to speak.

How curious that Father Hubbard's laptop should go AWOL.  I wonder whether he had a collection of... erm... sermons stored on it?

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Post by ultimaThule on 23.11.13 3:06

Here's a small snap of the Rev Haynes Q Hubbard, sans pizza hat, in a pose made familiar by KM:



As a catholic, it's unlikely KM was au fait with the rites of the CofE before the Hubbards fortuitously took her into their fold, and it may be she simply followed 'Father' Hubbard's example when worshipping at an unfamiliar altar by adopting the habit of soulful posturing on camera.

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Post by ekatae on 23.11.13 3:17

And once again (so it seems) both ultimaThule and Chatelaine are nearest to the truth than most...!! Mr on each and every thread...!! but I am only a 'newbie' so what am I to know...??

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Re: CMTV reconstitutes the Maddie case

Post by ultimaThule on 23.11.13 5:34

I thank you for your kind words, but in any competition Chatelaine and all of those others who have spent years studying the case of Madeleine McCann would win hands down, ekatae.   

As a very latecomer to this site, I'm in awe of the time and effort longstanding members have expended on the search for the truth of what happened to a defenceless little girl who was on holiday with her parents and siblings when she disappeared off the face of the earth and, while I share their frustration at the years that have passed without those who perpetrated this heinous crime being brought to account, I have no doubt their patience will be rewarded in the not too distant future and that justice will be seen to be done for Madeleine.

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Post by ultimaThule on 23.11.13 5:49

@aquila wrote:Oh my Lord, Father Hubbard, the slick preacher from Canada, shipped in coincidentally. Father Hubbard, the man who just loves to talk to the media, the one with the fancy watch on his wrist, the one with the wife who became Kate's bestest friend, the one whose house in PDL was robbed and his laptop was nicked.

Oh my Lord, Father Hubbard.

For newbies...look him up.
Here he is again, with the fancy watch and a TM wristband (wonder how much he donated for that item?) and wearing an expression that is more reminiscent of GM than KM.




A slick preacher for sure, aquila, although to my mind he looks more suited to a career as a riverboat gambler, cruising the Mississippi in search of his next quick buck.

Fwiw, I suspect he has more in common with those bible-belt preachers who've made a fortune from tv evangelism before falling from grace, such as Pastor Ted Haggard, George Rekers, and Jim Bakker to name but 3 of the many who've failed to practice what they preach.  
Disclaimer: google those names at your own risk - you might die laughing big grin

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Post by tigger on 23.11.13 6:17

@aquila.    Do you still have a link  to that radio interview

Is is there he used the phrase ...when I first came into the presence of Kate and Gerry.... 

I wish someone would have a look  in Crockfords, available in most libraries. 

His arrival was serendipidous to say the least. I see him more as a chaplain and that would open up 'contacts'  with Whitehall.

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