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Re: Kate McCann 'exhausted'...The Mirror

Post by russiandoll on 15.11.13 9:41

Maybe Kate should read the Czech writer Kundera's novel " The Unbearable Lightness of Being" if she feels an unbearable burden.

 Great novel, great film with Daniel Day-Lewis, set in Prague during the 1968 Velvet Revolution, but only appeared in print in the original language after a French translation was published.


Challenging Friedrich Nietzsche’s concept of eternal recurrence (the idea that the universe and its events have already occurred and will recur ad infinitum), the story’s thematic meditations posit the alternative; that each person has only one life to live, and that which occurs in life occurs only once and never again — thus the “lightness” of being. In contrast, the concept of eternal recurrence imposes a “heaviness” on our lives and on the decisions we make (to borrow from Nietzsche's metaphor, it gives them "weight".) Nietzsche believed this heaviness could be either a tremendous burden or great benefit depending on the individual's perspective

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Re: Kate McCann 'exhausted'...The Mirror

Post by Guest on 15.11.13 10:16

@russiandoll wrote:Maybe Kate should read the Czech writer Kundera's novel " The Unbearable Lightness of Being" if she feels an unbearable burden.

 Great novel, great film with Daniel Day-Lewis, set in Prague during the 1968 Velvet Revolution, but only appeared in print in the original language after a French translation was published.


Challenging Friedrich Nietzsche’s concept of eternal recurrence (the idea that the universe and its events have already occurred and will recur ad infinitum), the story’s thematic meditations posit the alternative; that each person has only one life to live, and that which occurs in life occurs only once and never again — thus the “lightness” of being. In contrast, the concept of eternal recurrence imposes a “heaviness” on our lives and on the decisions we make (to borrow from Nietzsche's metaphor, it gives them "weight".) Nietzsche believed this heaviness could be either a tremendous burden or great benefit depending on the individual's perspective
That sounds like a barrel of laughs.

Being serious though, I think it would do everybody (themselves included) a lot of good if the McCanns just dabbled with obscurity for, say, a year or so. I have my own thoughts on what happened and if I'm correct then they're not the worst people who ever lived, but every time they open their mouths in public that's how they come across. Why not bugger off to New Zealand until the twins are older?

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Re: Kate McCann 'exhausted'...The Mirror

Post by Hobs on 15.11.13 10:18

@canada12 wrote:
@thetruthbeknown wrote:
@canada12 wrote:"And the lows… the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened.”

Or the dread of being found out.
bit of a freudian slip there?
I think she probably meant to say "the dread of finding out what happened" and let a big Freudian slip get away from her, and then she had to correct it.
Lying is stressful and thus the subject will try to avoid the stress  by ommission, minimisation or even creating a false reality.

The brain thinks the words a microsecond before speaking thus we know what in at the forefront of their minds as they speak using the process of free editing.

The brains knows the truth and wants to speak it and thus stop the stress.

Order is also important, it tells us what is most important to the subject that it comes first above others

Here kate slips up as she often does.

She is telling the truth when she say the dread of knowing what happened.

This is a strong statement with no qualifiers (qualifiers are words that when removed do not change the intent of the sentence. They weaken what is being said and the more qualifiers the weaker the statement)

She doesn't say wondering what could of happened, thinking what could have happened etc all of which allow her the possibility of ignorance, not knowing what happened and could be happening to Maddie if you go with the abduction theory)

Kate tells us she knows what happened, this is only possible if she was present when it happened or shortly after.
She can only know this if she was present, she knows, she doesn't think, believe or suspect, she knows.

This slip fit's in with her previous statements of it not being because the children were sleeping, it was something else, and her  other comment " i know, i was there"

Kate is cracking up, everytime she opens her mouth another marble of truth slips out, this is her brain training to relive the stress.

Right now i can see her either breaking down and admitting the truth, or, as she has warned us, pressing a button and they would all be gone, all be togeather.

She is a ticking timebomb  with the seconds counting down.

Canada12, never interpret what you think they meant, this is how liars and conmen and politicians and dodgy saleman etc get away with what they do, we interpret what they think they meant rather than what they actually said ( often mutually exclusive)  look and listen only to the words spoken.
Assume they are being truthful thus anything unexpected will stand out, be it a single word or a sentence.
Think how you would act and what you would say in the same situation, being innocent you will act and speak a certain way. Guilty people act and speak a certain way, the two are mutually exclusive.

Remember when gerry said  she was born ALMOST perfect?
How many heard that one word and said WTH?

When bob vear in another case i am involved in said CARESS them in relation to children.
Pretty much anyone who was familiar with statement analysis said WTH and woah.
A few posts pointing this huge red flag and a bit of digging, vear posted on facebook he was a convicted paedophile, but it was decades back and he didn't have to report it ( his statements indicated deception about no longer being a risk and that he was srtill active)

People tell you about themselves if you listen carefully and they are using the process of free editing.

The downside is once learned you can't unlearn it and tv ads are full of deception, one of my faves is an ad that boasts it's product is made with real ingredients. (as opposed to what?) smilie 

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Re: Kate McCann 'exhausted'...The Mirror

Post by jozi on 15.11.13 10:20

She does look sh.t, has done since the start of the Libel Trial. A few days after Maddie went missing she positively glowed,I would have expected it to be the other way round ?

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Post by Guest on 15.11.13 10:24

Clay, I think that New Zealand is a country which rightly is careful as to who it lets in!

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Post by Guest on 15.11.13 10:26

@jozi wrote:She does look sh.t, has done since the start of the Libel Trial. A few days after Maddie went missing she positively glowed,I would have expected it to be the other way round ?
Relief and the chance to start again in a new country? I think being Maddie's parent was probably quite stressful.

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Post by Guest on 15.11.13 10:27

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:Clay, I think that New Zealand is a country which rightly is careful as to who it lets in!
I'm sure their media profile would bulldoze them in.

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Post by Mirage on 15.11.13 10:28

I'm no Hobs but is "disappear myself" an expression of her yearning to become invisible to a sceptical public? Wave a wand and slip back into anonymity? Escape the spotlight she courted and now detests?

 Maybe the media beam is more penetrating than she expected when she developed a taste for the celebrity circuit. She is no longer in control, as in the halcyon days of the PdL balloon fest and beach walks with cuddle cat.

I'm seeing that photo at the V&A in a new light having heard what she said. This was the unveiling of the new exhaustion face IMO. A prequel to wriggling out of taking the witness stand in Portugal.

 Personally, I'm looking forward to the "just arrested and charged" face.

ETA Sorry Hobs, I have only just noticed your post on the previous page. Off to read it now. I love your analyses.

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Post by noddy100 on 15.11.13 10:39

@Mirage wrote:I'm no Hobs but is "disappear myself" an expression of her yearning to become invisible to a sceptical public? Wave a wand and slip back into anonymity? Escape the spotlight she courted and now detests?

 Maybe the media beam is more penetrating than she expected when she developed a taste for the celebrity circuit. She is no longer in control, as in the halcyon days of the PdL balloon fest and beach walks with cuddle cat.

I'm seeing that photo at the V&A in a new light having heard what she said. This was the unveiling of the new exhaustion face IMO. A prequel to wriggling out of taking the witness stand in Portugal.

 Personally, I'm looking forward to the "just arrested and charged" face.

ETA Sorry Hobs, I have only just noticed your post on the previous page. Off to read it now. I love your analyses.
I agree. She will have a 'breakdown' and be unable to testify and Gerry will be too much of a good guy to leave her. 
This new exhausted Kate will then decide to slip back into obscurity as their little plan is not going how they envisaged it anymore.

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Re: Kate McCann 'exhausted'...The Mirror

Post by Guest on 15.11.13 10:44

Hobs, I always look forward to your analyses. They are always spot on.
When Kate says "all you really want to do is disappear yourself"
Is that another indicator for her being a suicide risk? 
Because in other aspects she seems to do the opposite. It just seems incongruous that she is taking this very public role and then all she wants to do is disappear.
Also is it not a strange thing to say at a Missing Persons Gala?
Indicating that maybe some people are missing because they choose to be. And should be left as such.

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Post by Genbug on 15.11.13 13:43

She's probably menopausal, that can cause sleepless nights...

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Re: Kate McCann 'exhausted'...The Mirror

Post by PeterMac on 15.11.13 14:15

"A Tricky couple of months".

Did she Really say that ?

Q:  (And how has your 7 years imprisonment in the Hellish Lair been for you, Madeleine ?"

"Oh the first six years were tricky, what with being raped and buggered every night and morning by the group, but after that you get inner strength and start giving them your tuppenceworth.
You have to accept that your parents are not going to show up. They have other more important things to do, like selling pornographic drawings and photos, and they were always very busy, and jogging and writing a blog takes a lot of time, as we all know."


How can Kate use the word Tricky ?
I am beginning to despise her.

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Re: Kate McCann 'exhausted'...The Mirror

Post by Hobs on 15.11.13 14:19

dantezebu wrote:Hobs, I always look forward to your analyses. They are always spot on.
When Kate says "all you really want to do is disappear yourself"
Is that another indicator for her being a suicide risk? 
Because in other aspects she seems to do the opposite. It just seems incongruous that she is taking this very public role and then all she wants to do is disappear.
Also is it not a strange thing to say at a Missing Persons Gala?
Indicating that maybe some people are missing because they choose to be. And should be left as such.
Given  the language she has used in previous statements it could well be an indication of her wanting it all to be over, to disappear.
It is worth noting that she has a lot of difficulty using first person singular pronouns in relation to the case, it is more of ten than not that she will use  2nd person you or your in relation to what she says which is distancing  along with lots of we and us  which indicates unity, sharing, co-operation.

With the use of you and your she is telling the listener/reader how they would feel/see/react

With kate it is a distinct pattern when it comes to how she related to Maddie, how she feels about what happened to Maddie.

It is concerning that shetalks in such a distant manner about her missing daughter, there is no maternal bond in her words, there is no MY daughter, I feel, i want etc.
In fact it is unexpected.
Mom's are intensely protective of their children and losing a child is intensely personal, the mom fears the worst and hopes for the best, they worry their child is scared, hurt, cold, they call out to them from the heart.

With kate this is all missing, she had to be prompted to call out, reading from scripts or saying she knows we love her.
There are no reassuring messages from mom saying we are searching for you, we will find you etc, there are no plea to the allged abductor, there are no tears.
it's been claimed it's because the police said to show no emotion because the abductor would get his jollies.

BULL

Police want the missing child to be humanised, they want the abductor to see them as a little child so they don't hurt them, they want them to be seen as living, breathing, feeling, vulnerable and scared rather than an object.

No mom i know who is innocent will remain stony cold and emotionless, it's impossible, their heart and soul is screaming for their child, it is in their words, their voice, their face, their whole being. it cannot be faked.

A couple years ago i watched a presser with the parents of a missing child somewhere.
The mom was a wreck but she held it togeather to get the message out and to reassure her child.
 she left the room barely able to walk, being held up by those around her.
What struck me the most was as soon as she had gone through the double doors and into a corridor, where she thought the press couldn't see and hear, she gave a animal like howl of despair, i could feel the pain she was feeling released in that simple and primal scream of despair.

What do we see with the mccanns when they think the cameras are off or no one is looking, laughter, jollity, freedom from a heavy weight being lifted from their shoulders.
it is all wrong with them, everything is off.

Kate looks now like she should have looed in the early days.

The weight that she thought had been lifted, the burden, the problem she thought had gone is still there, bigger and heavier.
It is a weight whilst intangible is still pressing hard on her.

The only way she can end this is to confess, to admit what happened, who did what and when, how Maddie was moved and by whom and where.

Once she says the magic words, I want to tell the truth/confess/ admit then she will feel so much better.

Right now the fuse is lit, how long before it reaches the gunpowder and goes boom?

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Re: Kate McCann 'exhausted'...The Mirror

Post by Guest on 15.11.13 14:23

@PeterMac wrote:"A Tricky couple of months".

Did she Really say that ?

Q:  (And how has your 7 years imprisonment in the Hellish Lair been for you, Madeleine ?"

"Oh the first six years were tricky, what with being raped and buggered every night and morning by the group, but after that you get inner strength and start giving them your tuppenceworth.
You have to accept that your parents are not going to show up. They have other more important things to do, like selling pornographic drawings and photos, and they were always very busy, and jogging and writing a blog takes a lot of time, as we all know."


How can Kate use the word Tricky ?
I am beginning to despise her.
Tricky as in: touch and go whether they would finally …   etc etc?

I'd say there could be even trickier times ahead, then. 

Someone should advise the lady to put a sock in it

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Re: Kate McCann 'exhausted'...The Mirror

Post by pennylane on 15.11.13 14:27

Must be awfully debilitating having all those lies whirling around in your head at bed time!  Shocked

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Re: Kate McCann 'exhausted'...The Mirror

Post by lj on 15.11.13 14:31

@ultimaThule wrote:
@lj wrote:-snip-

I am told that life in a cell can be very simple and quiet.

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This may be true for the good sisters of various religious orders, lj, but I'm reliably informed that a night in Holloway prison makes Bedlam seem like an oasis of peace and tranquility big grin
I don't have too much experience: visiting the sickbays in Dutch prisons > 20 yr ago. At that time there was only one prisoner per cell allowed. That truly was not too bad. At the moment we have a friend spending some time inside for a "white collar" crime. He tells us that it is the best thing that happened to him. He finally has time to stare at his navel and reflects on what he was doing with his life. He is a "changed man". He is in an US jail.

I have no doubt there will be many places that are bad though.

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Post by lj on 15.11.13 14:36

@PeterMac wrote:"A Tricky couple of months".

Did she Really say that ?

Q:  (And how has your 7 years imprisonment in the Hellish Lair been for you, Madeleine ?"

"Oh the first six years were tricky, what with being raped and buggered every night and morning by the group, but after that you get inner strength and start giving them your tuppenceworth.
You have to accept that your parents are not going to show up. They have other more important things to do, like selling pornographic drawings and photos, and they were always very busy, and jogging and writing a blog takes a lot of time, as we all know."


How can Kate use the word Tricky ?
I am beginning to despise her.
I have despised them both after Gerry's "And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment, why would that be our fault?" with kate nodding her head.

No that's not true: it was after the "it's like dining in your backyard" which gave away they really did not care at all for their kids.

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Post by Guest on 15.11.13 14:37

Thank you Hobs.
I do get a little worried about how it will all end sometimes though. 
Because it's not unknown for people with narcissistic tendancies to put and end to themselves or indeed the whole family when they are finally caught or in fear of being exposed.

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Post by thetruthbeknown on 15.11.13 15:02

@canada12 wrote:
@thetruthbeknown wrote:
@canada12 wrote:"And the lows… the dread of knowing what happened and the dread of not knowing what happened.”

Or the dread of being found out.
bit of a freudian slip there?
I think she probably meant to say "the dread of finding out what happened" and let a big Freudian slip get away from her, and then she had to correct it.
I could write a page essay on that sentence she said there lol big grin

The thing is we have a natural process of 'selecting' what to say, its unconscious, but sometimes we interupt that process as it doesn't take into consideration the situation, or 'sensitivity' etc..its literally 'the truth'..its why police officers always put down the ermms and ummms in statements for analysis, as its interuption to the natural process of 'what we know'. I think she was relaxed in this situation and let slip a little...'Knowing' is only used for having a previous 'knowledge' you are right in your suggestion of 'finding out' or 'learning what had happened' would be the other phrase we would expect.

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Post by Rasputin on 15.11.13 15:11

You only have to take a glance at Tony Bliar to see what guilt can do to a person .

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Post by Mirage on 15.11.13 15:24

Peter Mac: "Q:  (And how has your 7 years imprisonment in the Hellish Lair been for you, Madeleine ?"

"Oh the first six years were tricky, what with being raped and buggered every night and morning by the group, but after that you get inner strength and start giving them your tuppenceworth.
You have to accept that your parents are not going to show up. They have other more important things to do, like selling pornographic drawings and photos, and they were always very busy, and jogging and writing a blog takes a lot of time, as we all know."


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Excoriating. And rightly so. I hope she reads it.

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Post by Mirage on 15.11.13 15:34

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"I have despised them both after Gerry's "And if Madeleine had hurt herself inside the apartment, why would that be our fault?" with kate nodding her head.

No that's not true: it was after the "it's like dining in your backyard" which gave away they really did not care at all for their kids."




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And if a complete stranger can despise them both for saying that, just imagine what their remaining children are going to feel in due course. No wonder she looks raddled. A gamble that so obviously is never going to pay off and effectively loses you everything in the end anyway.

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Post by plebgate on 15.11.13 15:41

Why is she growing her hair, it looks awful? imo.  Is there anybody who can tell us whether this has something to do with stress or the likes?

She looks very, very thin, her hair is long and "lifeless" and her face does look aged in the past couple of  years.  Due to  Stress or  could it be down to too much running and not enough calories taken in and dashing around being Ambassador and being on tv/radio?

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Post by ultimaThule on 15.11.13 15:52

@Rasputin wrote:You only have to take a glance at Tony Bliar to see what guilt can do to a person .
You mean they get religion and prance around the world in handmade suits & boots like the meglomaniacs they are? laughat

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Post by ultimaThule on 15.11.13 15:59

@plebgate wrote:Why is she growing her hair, it looks awful? imo.  Is there anybody who can tell us whether this has something to do with stress or the likes?

She looks very, very thin, her hair is long and "lifeless" and her face does look aged in the past couple of  years.  Due to  Stress or  could it be down to too much running and not enough calories taken in and dashing around being Ambassador and being on tv/radio?
IMO KM's appearance suggests she may suffer from more than one physical disorder, but when I attempted to draw attention to this on another thread shortly after joining this site my post was deleted so I've avoided any further reference to what, to me, seems obvious.

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