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Why the McCanns and the Tapas 7 were Relaxed at Dinner on 3rd May

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Re: Why the McCanns and the Tapas 7 were Relaxed at Dinner on 3rd May

Post by Guest on 13.11.13 18:37

@ultimaThule wrote:[...] I know very few doctors of medicine who practise humility and the majority can be said to be entirely up themselves with all of the arrogance and sense of entitlement this implies.
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Oh girl, I couldn't agree with you more here in France . The major part of the Dutch, though,  have "emancipated", ask genuine questions and genuinely listen to your answers. Not promoting the Dutch, of course. Silly me ... I do distinctly remember, though, visiting a French specialist, who said - after I asked a questions - "It is me, Madame, who asks the questions and you're the one to respond" ... Ha big grin

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Post by ultimaThule on 13.11.13 19:45

@Portia wrote:Am I the only one disgusted by the couples so very public crotch grabbing at every opportunity?
And at his letting her do that to him, in the full glare of publicity?
And of both of them pointedly not looking at the other while they perform the act time and time again?

So sorry; where I hail from this type of behavior is not applauded, to put it mildly. One wonders why they are unable to desist
I am immensely relieved you raised this particular issue before dinner, Portia! big grin

The McCanns lose no opportunity to display inappropriate behaviour in front of tv cameras which reach a wide audience of all ages at all hours of the day and night. 

The way in which GM plants his rear end on celebrity sofas and chairs in a manner which enables him to lean back, open his legs, and display his crotch, is as arrogant as it is aggressive - I see it as being his personal equivalent of a Maori haka; an unabashed challenge to the beholder.

This man has no shame and neither does his spouse, one of whose hands is usually to be found clutching his inner thigh while one slim finger points toward his genitals as if to say 'get a load of this lot - aren't I a lucky girl?'  There's no prizes for guessing what their relationship is based on as their lack of decorum renders it there for all to see.

The thought of this repellent and repulsive behaviour is enough to have me reaching for the sick bag, but it's notable that GM didn't adopt this stance in his interview with Paxman; could it be wee Gerry didn't have a spare pair of socks on hand to stuff down his jockeys? laughat

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Post by Guest on 13.11.13 19:55

Handkerchiefs would do too. At least in my youth ...laughat

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Post by Monty Heck on 13.11.13 21:57

@ultimaThule wrote:
@Portia wrote:Am I the only one disgusted by the couples so very public crotch grabbing at every opportunity?
And at his letting her do that to him, in the full glare of publicity?
And of both of them pointedly not looking at the other while they perform the act time and time again?

So sorry; where I hail from this type of behavior is not applauded, to put it mildly. One wonders why they are unable to desist
I am immensely relieved you raised this particular issue before dinner, Portia! big grin

The McCanns lose no opportunity to display inappropriate behaviour in front of tv cameras which reach a wide audience of all ages at all hours of the day and night. 

The way in which GM plants his rear end on celebrity sofas and chairs in a manner which enables him to lean back, open his legs, and display his crotch, is as arrogant as it is aggressive - I see it as being his personal equivalent of a Maori haka; an unabashed challenge to the beholder.

This man has no shame and neither does his spouse, one of whose hands is usually to be found clutching his inner thigh while one slim finger points toward his genitals as if to say 'get a load of this lot - aren't I a lucky girl?'  There's no prizes for guessing what their relationship is based on as their lack of decorum renders it there for all to see.

The thought of this repellent and repulsive behaviour is enough to have me reaching for the sick bag, but it's notable that GM didn't adopt this stance in his interview with Paxman; could it be wee Gerry didn't have a spare pair of socks on hand to stuff down his jockeys? laughat
In the past I presumed that this behaviour was strictly for the cameras but the pictures of the McCs off duty at a friend's place (in Amsterdam) which surfaced fairly recently would indicate this is fairly standard for them.  Sorry, I don't have a link to hand.

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Post by Guest on 13.11.13 22:01

@ultimaThule wrote:
@Portia wrote:Am I the only one disgusted by the couples so very public crotch grabbing at every opportunity?
And at his letting her do that to him, in the full glare of publicity?
And of both of them pointedly not looking at the other while they perform the act time and time again?

So sorry; where I hail from this type of behavior is not applauded, to put it mildly. One wonders why they are unable to desist
I am immensely relieved you raised this particular issue before dinner, Portia! big grin

The McCanns lose no opportunity to display inappropriate behaviour in front of tv cameras which reach a wide audience of all ages at all hours of the day and night. 

The way in which GM plants his rear end on celebrity sofas and chairs in a manner which enables him to lean back, open his legs, and display his crotch, is as arrogant as it is aggressive - I see it as being his personal equivalent of a Maori haka; an unabashed challenge to the beholder.

This man has no shame and neither does his spouse, one of whose hands is usually to be found clutching his inner thigh while one slim finger points toward his genitals as if to say 'get a load of this lot - aren't I a lucky girl?'  There's no prizes for guessing what their relationship is based on as their lack of decorum renders it there for all to see.

The thought of this repellent and repulsive behaviour is enough to have me reaching for the sick bag, but it's notable that GM didn't adopt this stance in his interview with Paxman; could it be wee Gerry didn't have a spare pair of socks on hand to stuff down his jockeys? laughat
Sorry to spoil your dinner, please accept my apologies

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Post by Daisy on 13.11.13 22:11

@secrets and lies wrote:Hmm, I'm not so sure Comperedna5.

Not that the physical measuring of IQ is important. What bugs me about The McCanns is that they seem pretty dim. Cunning yes, but dim as a 40watt bulb nevertheless. Self protective and sly-they have it in spades but they are far from having any real intellectual or analytical capacity as far as I can see.

As for emotional intelligence. Well it seems to have been surgically removed from them, if the genes were ever present at all.


GM sees himself as sharp, urbane, intelligent and it shows in his speech patterns. He was trying to pitch himself against Paxman but it was like a snail conferring with a panther.

They are such terrifically average people with real and palpable aspirations. Perhaps being caught up in this "case" gives them a sense of being more than they are.

But what galls is that it's the great minds that have worked behind the scenes to assist them that has got them this far.
You pretty much sum them up for me. Brilliantly worded may I say.

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Post by secrets and lies on 13.11.13 22:18

Thank you, Daisy.

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Post by Guest on 13.11.13 22:52

I agree, you have a good way with words, Secrets and Lies.

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Post by secrets and lies on 14.11.13 15:33

Thank you, Chatelaine.

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Post by comperedna on 15.11.13 16:00

D'accord, secrets and lies...

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Re: Why the McCanns and the Tapas 7 were Relaxed at Dinner on 3rd May

Post by ultimaThule on 15.11.13 16:55

I wonder if RIPM will come back to shed light on their name.  Is there something we should know?

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Re: Why the McCanns and the Tapas 7 were Relaxed at Dinner on 3rd May

Post by Cristobell on 15.11.13 17:34

@ultimaThule wrote:
comperedna5 wrote:Its not IQ Gerry is short of, and nor is his wife... Remember, they are 'doctors' and doctors almost always have a lot of it. It is emotional intelligence and empathy, both of which doctors should have, and also IMHO quite a bit of common sense is lacking. They have in addition loads of narcissism, a permanent sense of 'entitlement', arrogance, and plenty of cunning. All in my humble opinion of course.
It's a fallacy that anything more than average intelligence is required to become a doctor of medicine.  The McCanns are a case in point and it should be borne in mind that both of them got into 3rd tier medical schools on the working class ticket.

As GM and his spouse do not appear to be over-endowed with grey matter, it's my belief they got lucky - albeit, as the saying has it, you make your own luck - in that they were able to propogate their lies through the auspices of friends, relatives, and paid helpers, who relentlessly bombarded the media with disinformation leaving the couple free to maintain the pretence of being bound by the rule of secrecy which Portugal imposes on criminal investigations.

Had Madeleine disappeared from her home while her parents dined 'in their back garden', I have no doubt they would have been brought to account long ago as the UK police would not have been hampered by a lack of common language, or by the craftily engineered xenophobic rantings of certain sections of the press which ensured this case stayed newsworthy long after it had passed its sell-by date. 

Both the Portuguese and UK police suspected parental culpability from the beginning, but it's not easy to prove murder/manslaughter without a body.  However, in many cases the eventual weight of circumstantial evidence can tip the scale of justice into the realm of beyond reasonable doubt and prosecution ensues, as I expect it to do in this case.  

Fwiw, no matter how meagre their abilities or unprepossessing their appearance, I know very few doctors of medicine who practise humility and the majority can be said to be entirely up themselves with all of the arrogance and sense of entitlement this implies.
We do tend to put doctors on pedestals.  We all their use their title when addressing them, and in GPs' surgeries, but more especially in hospitals they are a treated with deference.  Gerry's mum says through her tears 'he's a doctor, and this is how they repay him'.  I must check the wording of that again, because if I have it verbatim, I would curious as to who 'they' are. Her statement does show however, that Gerry is exalted within his family.  He is the youngest of 4 (or is it it 5?) and his older siblings doted on him.  Kate is an only child and probably similarly spoilt.    

The God Complex is probably prevalent within the medical profession, and I sense that there was an elitism about the entire tapas group, they weren't there to mix with the plebs, I doubt they endeared themselves to the staff. Their attitude to those they considered beneath them, reared its ugly head in the immediate aftermath. Whilst Kate referred to the first police on the scene as Tweedledum and Tweedledee, Gerry was demanding, in a raised voice, that more senior police were called.  


Digressing slightly, I watched the Jeremy Bamber documentary last night, and was bemused to see Bamber directing the police to focus on his sister being the killer, and releasing that story to the press. The McCanns were insistent on abduction, just as Bamber insisted his sister was responsible for the carnage. 


I agree with other posters, the McCanns are dim.  Its as though their education stopped with their medical degrees, and never went outside of or beyond science.  I don't know if it was Gerry's megalomania that led him to believe he could lead a huge campaign that would change the censorship laws of this country - he honestly thought millions would back him, and convinced others, well Hugh Grant at least, to put him at the forefront of Hacked Off.  The lonely picture of Gerry giving a press conference to one camera without a supporter in sight shows how successful that was.  


Gerry is deperate to pick up a banner and have millions follow him - it happens in his head and he can't understand why it is not happening in reality.  He has an almost naieve lack of self awareness that borders on insanity, but its fed by the adoring gaze of a partner who is equally as loopy.  Those two were made for each other.  


Something has definitely changed over the last few months - since the 'tragic' pictures of 12th May. Kate seemed to age 20 years overnight.  They seemed to have a slight respite during the summer months, with Kate doing he marathon and Gerry doing his triathlon, maybe they thought for a while they were home and dry.  If pictures tell stories, and I believe they do, Kate looked almost catatonic at one point during the Crimewatch program, the German one I believe, and the picture of her at last night's Gala shows that same inner terror.  We on here can talk about this case til the cows come home, but the pictures show this case is coming to an end, and there is only one truth.

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Post by Cristobell on 15.11.13 18:23

@secrets and lies wrote:Hmm, I'm not so sure Comperedna5.

Not that the physical measuring of IQ is important. What bugs me about The McCanns is that they seem pretty dim. Cunning yes, but dim as a 40watt bulb nevertheless. Self protective and sly-they have it in spades but they are far from having any real intellectual or analytical capacity as far as I can see.

As for emotional intelligence. Well it seems to have been surgically removed from them, if the genes were ever present at all.


GM sees himself as sharp, urbane, intelligent and it shows in his speech patterns. He was trying to pitch himself against Paxman but it was like a snail conferring with a panther.

They are such terrifically average people with real and palpable aspirations. Perhaps being caught up in this "case" gives them a sense of being more than they are.

But what galls is that it's the great minds that have worked behind the scenes to assist them that has got them this far.
Great post secrets and lies, lol.

They are pretty dim.  I think they have concentrated on one aspect of their education and ignored all others. It may even be that Hacked Off used, because of this.  

They don't allow the fact that others know better influence them.  We can only imagine how Isabel Duarte is feeling at the moment.  She is probably bound by the rules of the Portuguese Bar not to abandon a client mid trial, it is the only reason I can think of to explain her carrying on with this farce.  I expect they regularly overrule any common sense suggestions, trusting in their own powers above all others.  I woud love to know what their close friends and family really think of them, and indeed their advisors whose names will forever be linked to them.  

A note on the friends, because I know Kate reads here.  You told an interviewer that you 'don't know anyone like that', referring to the nasty people on the internet. As a regular user of twitter, I would have to challenge that.  Michael Wright told the world that the McCann Fund began monitoring the internet almost immediately after Madeleine disappeared.  The people who monitor the internet on behalf of the McCanns are among the most evil, perverted, deranged, criminals who threaten anyone who does not believe the abduction story.      

I think they are both Gerry and Kate are quite mad.  If they had truly wanted to get away with this they would have shut up long ago, and lived comfortably ever after on the Fund.  But I think they were hooked by the limelight, swept by with their own success, the almost daily photocalls and press conferences were bizarre. They had their entire extended family and childhood friends staying with them at the resort to help with the twins, yet each day they took the kids to the creche facing a barrage of photographers on the way.  The more they appeared the more the donations went up.  They went on Oprah, they appeared on the front page of Vanity Fair and Gerry told us they mince and tatties for dinner.  They desperately want to return to those heady standing ovation days when everyone wanted to help them, but the tide has turned.  They think if they get rid of Goncalo Amaral (I kid you not a pro troll stated this on twitter), everything will be alright again - completely unaware that its their own creepy behaviour that has turned people against them, not an obscure book written in Portuguese.

Forgive me, I have waffled.  I become more aghast at this case as each day passes.

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Post by comperedna on 15.11.13 18:28

Christobel, I am out of date, maybe. I am old, but old. I come from the era of grammar schools when working class medics were on the whole IQ-style clever and very few of them got into medical school. I do not consider that kind of cleverness to be the most important quality for a 'doctor' either. Medics were supposedly pre-sorted for something then called 'a vocation', and doubtless upper middle class applicants from public schools were taught how to show (or fake) that! Drive and ambition probably scores now.

I did not know about where that unlovely pair went to medical school, or how they may have got in. They present themselves as people amazingly limited in most of the ways that count as human beings, and also as a culture free zone. Nowadays you can probably have the intellect and grasp of ideas of a newt, make that a tadpole, and get a degree in something if you are pushy enough.

Probably irrelevant to this thread but a kind of parallel:
[For instance, I am sick of 'nutritionists' who believe in demon foods and magic foods, who believe in 'perfectly balanced' individual products and seem to have no appreciation of what constitutes a balanced diet, or how to work one out for yourself say over a week. All eleven to thirteen year olds were taught about that some decades ago. Some degree-laden 'nutritionists' pontificate on what they don't know about, not even knowing the difference between white fish oandoily fish or why it could matter.]

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Post by Penfold on 15.11.13 18:29

[quote="Cristobell"]

 


Gerry is deperate to pick up a banner and have millions follow him - it happens in his head and he can't understand why it is not happening in reality.  He has an almost naieve lack of self awareness that borders on insanity, but its fed by the adoring gaze of a partner who is equally as loopy.  Those two were made for each other.  


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Dead right Cristobell -as my old Gran used to say  'They won't spoil another couple'

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Post by diatribe on 15.11.13 19:38

The supreme irony being, Dr. Kate McCann is an Ambassador for a Missing Children's Foundation. That's right folks, I kid you not, an Ambassador for a Missing Children's Foundation. Why, that's akin to resurrecting 25 Cromwell St. as a hostel for waifs and strays with Rosemary West as Chief Warden.

What's next, Gazzer fronting up a poster campaign for Alcoholics Anonymous, a bronze statue of Ian Brady being erected on Sadleworth Moor, Adolf Hitler being posthumously nominated for the Noble Peace prize by the Jewish Chronicle, Marc Bolan being ennobled by the Preservation of Trees Society, Ian Hamilton superseding Andy Murray as Dunblane's greatest sporting hero. etc. etc.

I mean, where's it going to end, are we yet to witness the spectacle of David Beckham being awarded the Pulitzer prize for literature

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Post by Guest on 15.11.13 20:08

OT speaking about [Pulitzer] prizes: Has anyone of you read "Wolf Hall" by Hilary Mantel? Two-time winner of Man Booker. Clarence could take a leave out of Thomas Cromwell ...

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Post by aquila on 15.11.13 20:13

Châtelaine wrote:OT speaking about [Pulitzer] prizes: Has anyone of you read "Wolf Hall" by Hilary Mantel? Two-time winner of Man Booker.  Clarence could take a leave out of Thomas Cromwell ...
I see Clarence more as 'the hooded claw' from 'The Perils of Penelope Pitstop'. I don't see him as a character from lofty, intellectual writings. titter

Apologies to Clarence for placing him in the pantomime section of my readings. big grin

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Post by diatribe on 15.11.13 20:17

Châtelaine wrote:OT speaking about [Pulitzer] prizes: ...
Thank you for the correction vis a vis 'Pulitzer.'

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Post by Guest on 15.11.13 20:21

Châtelaine wrote:OT speaking about [Pulitzer] prizes: Has anyone of you read "Wolf Hall" by Hilary Mantel? Two-time winner of Man Booker.  Clarence could take a leave out of Thomas Cromwell …
Didn't TC end with his head on the block?

Lets not hope for that for poor old CM

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Post by Guest on 15.11.13 20:25

@aquila wrote:I see Clarence more as 'the hooded claw' from 'The Perils of Penelope Pitstop'. I don't see him as a character from lofty, intellectual writings. titter

Apologies to Clarence for placing him in the pantomime section of my readings. big grin
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Post by aquila on 15.11.13 20:34

Châtelaine wrote:
@aquila wrote:I see Clarence more as 'the hooded claw' from 'The Perils of Penelope Pitstop'. I don't see him as a character from lofty, intellectual writings. titter

Apologies to Clarence for placing him in the pantomime section of my readings. big grin
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That's a 1969-1971 animated series, which I don't know. I may have been very busy with other things in the early 70's in Amsterdam ... big grin  Don't we all show our age btw  titter Lovely airkiss
Dick Dastardly and Muttley also spring to mind...Clarence and Gerry....look them up on youtube....

'Stop that pigeon now'

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Post by Guest on 15.11.13 20:34

@Portia wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:OT speaking about [Pulitzer] prizes: Has anyone of you read "Wolf Hall" by Hilary Mantel? Two-time winner of Man Booker.  Clarence could take a leave out of Thomas Cromwell …
Didn't TC end with his head on the block?

Lets not hope for that for poor old CM
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Yes, he did, total waste and Henry VIII regretted it later on  [fool!]...
The times they have been changing, so Clarence doesn't risk too much, apart from humiliation. IMO, of course.

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Post by diatribe on 15.11.13 20:38

Previously unseen footage of the McCanns in the Praia da Luz apartment prior to their departure for the Tapas bar on May 3rd. 2007.


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Post by aquila on 15.11.13 20:40

Clarence & Gerry....Dick Dastardly & Muttley....'stop that pigeon now'

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLSIU9BG41U

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