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It's Brunty!

Post by Varriott on 05.11.13 17:49

I always thought the efits looked familiar.  The one that's a drawing is clearly of GM the day he walked off the EasyJet flight with his son on his shoulder.  The other one is Martin Brunt.  I tried to embed the pictures but don't know how (help, please!).  See if these links work:

Smithman versus Brunty

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Re: It's Brunty!

Post by Varriott on 05.11.13 17:58

Let me just be clear about what I am suggesting. These efits were produced by a group of detectives, hired by the Find Madeleine Fund, who became convinced that the parents were hiding something.  Futhermore, they weren't getting paid because the go-between, Kevin Halligen, stole the money.  So, they produced to efits to send a message to the McCanns.  One is clearly Gerry and the other is clearly Martin Brunt.  This is what we call taking the piss.  The question is, when SY picked up on this, are they playing it straight or are they also taking the piss, in order to send a not-so-subtle message to anyone who is listening?

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Re: It's Brunty!

Post by ultimaThule on 05.11.13 18:47

Having excelled themselves in hiring the services of actors who, without exception, failed miserably in looking anything like the McCanns and their pals, SY appeared to have gone out of their way to ensure the actor playing the role of Smithman is a dead ringer for GM. 

What the jeff is it all about and when the jeff will it end?

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Post by Varriott on 05.11.13 19:44

@MarleneP wrote:
Well done, Marlene.  This is hilarious!  Will anyone in the media notice this or will they all continue to play dumb and chase innocent dead people?

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Post by MarleneP on 05.11.13 20:38

This one is better





But... why showing in CW and XY (Germany)?

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Re: It's Brunty!

Post by Varriott on 05.11.13 20:56

That is a question the lazy media should be asking SY.  But they're too busy being lazy.

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"culhoes"

Post by MarleneP on 06.11.13 8:15

Varriott, with your idea you made me curious. What might be interesting to Martin Brunt? I remember that he was controversial at the time 2007. So why the detectives could have drawn Gerry and Martin? And why Scotland Yard has shown these pictures? Witnesses are sought who have seen these two men together on 3.May in 2007? The two have the biggest media event ever planned? And what knows the Insight editorial board of sunday times?

I found an interesting article ...
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The scene I remember better from Frankenstein Junior (the title of the movie, in Portuguese) is when the ugly result of Dr. Fronkensteen (don’t' get it wrong, or you make him furious: it's Fronkensteen, not Frankenstein!) experiences and the blonde Inga discover love and passion and do what mankind has been doing for many years. Than, at the end, F. Junior lights two cigarettes and gives one of them to his recently found love.

But I'm afraid that not even a superb scientist like dr. Fronkensteen, with the help of his loyal Igor, would be able to produce a “Crime Expert” like Mr. Mark Williams-Thomas, a former police detective who has been at Praia da Luz, according to the report of Martin Brunt – the man who wrote that most news published by Portuguese Press about Madeleine's abduction are best described as "culhoes" (*).

I thought that, after leaving Praia da Luz, Mr Martin Brunt would like to forget this very unpleasant experience – a couple of weeks spend in a third world country, populated by a strange people, with traditions so peculiar like its secrecy law (exactly the same as in Holland). And I thought also that Mr Martin Brunt would be very happy to be working again with the talkative and loquacious British Police.

But Mr. Martin Brunt seems to have a case of hate-love with Portugal. He can't forget us. Mr. Martin, you can be sure we will never forget you. I and a couple of Portuguese journalists, prolific producers of “culhoes”, as you wrote).

So, Mr Martin Brunt, who is a good example of that pack of howling blood-thirsty British tabloid journalist, willing to kill, or let someone be killed, to have a story, comes alive. Science is a wonderful thing! He brings with him a ““Crime Expert”” that “calls for a case review”, in Madeleine's abduction. Mr. “Crime Expert” has been at Praia da Luz “in the days after Madeleine was abducted.”

How many days after that, Mr. Crime Expert? More than one, I'm sure, or Mr Martin would not use the word “days”. Two? Three? More than that? Hummm.... And why does Mr. Crime Expert calls for a review of the case? “He is critical of the way Portuguese police began their investigation”. Really? Well, you are not alone, Mr. Crime Expert. Thank to the inaccurate, baseless and culturally biased coverage made by most British Media, I'm sure around 55 million British citizens should think the same.

“My initial observation was that the crime scene was poorly preserved - there was no one securing the patio doors, which I would refer to as the point of entry.” - Mr “Crime Expert” told Martin Brunt.

Can I ask a couple of question? Madeleine's mother realized she was missing around 10:00. For almost one hour, dozens, may be more than one hundred people (friends of McCann's couple, other guests, resort staff, people passing by... ) come inside and out of the building and the apartment, through the same patio and entry door, searched in the surrounding area, before calling police, at the Lagos precinct, at 22h50 pm, May 3 2007. So, when a Police patrol arrived, 12/15 minutes after that, crime scene has been “polluted” by many dozens of persons. Alarm was raised to CID headquarters at Portimão and they took some time to arrive at the crime scene (Only CIS has staff everywhere and they can put a team at any crime scene in 25 seconds).

But, Mr. “Crime Expert”, would you be so kind to share with us the precise time when crime scene was secured? I'm sure you know it, because you said “there was no one securing the patio doors”. How many days after Madeleine did you see that? At what time?

“The inner cordon was very close to the apartment, within 30 yards. I would have put the inner cordon 100 yards away. There are limitations to that because there's a shop nearby and there are apartments so some of the cordon might be less than that. But it should have been at least 50 yards.”

So, Mr “Crime Expert”, let me see if I understood what you said: The inner cordon was very close, it should be at 100 yards, but there are limitations to that so it “should have been at last 50 yards”...

“That's because whoever has taken Madeleine has been into the apartment and has gained access via the roads leading to the apartment and directly outside it. There could be a whole load of possible pieces of evidence that could be obtained from that area, such as DNA from various objects or tyre tracks.

Tyre tracks from an asphalted road that goes to the only supermarket in the Praia da Luz, as other shops are simple “mama and papas hops”? I have no doubt you were at Praia da Luz, as you say. But you should have taken a few pictures, to remember the area. There was no possibility – as you admit – to close this road.

“Having been there for a few days it became clear that there was no process of stopping and questioning people who are living in the area or visiting it (…) The significance of this is that there are people who may hold vital clues that have seen someone acting suspiciously or may have seen something suspicious.

This is an almost obscene lie, Mr. “Crime Expert”. Several British journalists wrote that, in the morning of May 4, CID officers were knocking at the doors of Ocean Club apartments, questioning guests, and so on. Why do you say that Portuguese CID failed to do a basic thing, when a crime is commited?

“There's a supermarket that is the only one in the village and it's a place that the offender or offenders could have gone into and bought some drinks or food (…) They should have been stopping and speaking to everyone who went into that supermarket. I went in there every day and I never saw a police officer asking any questions.

Sorry, Mr. “Crime Expert”, how many days have passed after Madeleine’s abduction when you were at Batista Supermarket? How do you know that police hasn’t questioned employees and clients of that supermarket?

“Unfortunately for the police, although the supermarket has CCTV, it was broken two weeks prior to the offence. Otherwise that might have held vital evidence (…) CCTV has played such a prominent part in police investigations in the UK. The streets around Praia Da Luz don't have CCTV cameras unfortunately.”

Right, Mr. “Crime Expert”. Do you have an ID Card? No, of course! ID Cards are considered a violation of citizen’s fundamental rights, in UK. I have an ID Card, just like my wife and my two sons. The 10 million inhabitants of Portugal have ID Cards. But our law is very strict about CCTV cameras in public places. We consider that a violation of one of our fundamental rights, the right to privacy. So, CCTV cameras in Portugal are allowed only at private properties (lie a supermarket or a gas station) and in public places where they are needed for security reasons – like in both bridges over river Tejo, in Lisbon, and in some highways.

“I didn't see any house-to-house inquiries being done which is vital because, again, they are the people living and staying in these apartments. They become the eyes and ears of police in a major investigation and can hold a vital piece of the jigsaw.”

Another obscene lie. May be you didn’t saw it because you were at Praia da Luz five or six days after Madeleine was abducted and that job has been already done. But if you read what Mark Oliver wrote for the Guardian, and what Mr. John Hill, manager of Ocean Club, told to the Press, you will realize that what you say is complety false. The reason why you say that, is a mistery, for me. Are you a compulsive liar? Or are you just a “Portuguese bashing” expert, instead of a “Crime Expert”?

“There was also no appeal. When you make comparisons to the British police, the media strategy is an integral part of any major investigation.”

Listen, Mr. “Crime Expert”, why don’t you try to get some information, before saying things so absurd? There was no need for a public appeal because child abduction are so rare in Portugal, that all Portuguese newspapers and magazines had Madeleine’s face in the front page, for weeks. TV news bulletins opened with the news of her disappearance, for almost two weeks.

“The laws in Portugal are very different to Britain's - the police conduct their investigations in secrecy and provide very little information as to the inquiries they are making.”

Sorry, Mr. “Crime Expert”, but this is sheer stupidity! I never heard British Police talk about details of the investigation of “Soham Murders”! British Police conducts their investigation in secrecy and they provide very little information about ongoing crime investigations. Give me an example that what I am saying isn’t truth!

“But at this stage it will be important for them to take stock and even ask for an external review. They need to take experts from outside the investigation, possibly from Britain or America, to undertake the review (…) This isn't about apportioning blame or criticism in relation to the investigation. It's about looking at possible lines of inquiry with a fresh pair of eyes.

Mr. “Crime Expert”, this is pure racism! When British police does this second review, do they call foreign police forces to do it, or do they call other department of British Police?

(*) One the most obscene words in Portuguese language, meaning “testicles” (something I wouldn't say in the row seats reserved for the supporters of my football team – Sporting Clube of Portugal – because of a stolen penalty, as quite a lot of ladies and children go to see the matches…)


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Re: It's Brunty!

Post by Guest on 06.11.13 10:03

Ah, Crime Expert Mark Williams-Thomas ... A most interesting character. A self-appointed former Detective Constable ... And remember, he's the one who interviewed a killer on camera with the as yet undetected body of the murdered girl directly over their heads.

Annaraccoon entered a FOI Request on last September 9. Her questions are quite intriguing and do indicate where she's heading with this. So far she hasn't had a reply from Surrey Police:
"Response to this request is long overdue. By law, under all circumstances, Surrey Police should have responded by now (details). You can complain by requesting an internal review. "

Her questions can be read here: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/mr_mark_williams_thomas_and_holm

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Re: It's Brunty!

Post by melisande on 06.11.13 10:12

When these efits came out I was one of the first to post here of the resemblance to Martin Brunt and Gerry.  Didn't think further than that but interesting theory nonetheless that there could be something behind this.

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Re: It's Brunty!

Post by MarleneP on 06.11.13 11:13

@melisande wrote:When these efits came out I was one of the first to post here of the resemblance to Martin Brunt and Gerry.  Didn't think further than that but interesting theory nonetheless that there could be something behind this.
Yes, you did. What a waste of time, I have not seen your post before


Re: Sunday Express - ACCEPTED VERSION OF EVENTS IS WRONG and DAILYSTAR - WHAT YOU KNOW IS NOT THE TRUTH
  melisande on Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 pm

Is it me or does the guy on the right look like Martin Brunt?

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Jean Baudrillard

Post by MarleneP on 06.11.13 11:32

Someone mentioned in this forum Baudrillard. Here is a link to his book
Simulacra and Simulation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simulacra_and_Simulation

Simulacra and Simulation (FrenchSimulacres et Simulation) is a 1981 philosophical treatise by Jean Baudrillard seeking to interrogate the relationship among reality, symbols, and society.
Simulacra are copies that depict things that either had no reality to begin with, or that no longer have an original.[1] Simulation is the imitation of the operation of a real-world process or system over time.[2]
...The simulacrum is never that which conceals the truth—it is the truth which conceals that there is none. The simulacrum is true.[3]
When I see these pictures, which are considered by Scotland Yard as important 



I think of:


Baudrillard theorizes that the lack of distinctions between reality and simulacra originates in several phenomena:[5]


  1. Contemporary media including televisionfilmprint, and the Internet, which are responsible for blurring the line between products that are needed (in order to live a life) and products for which a need is created by commercial images.

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Re: It's Brunty!

Post by melisande on 06.11.13 12:04

@MarleneP wrote:
@melisande wrote:When these efits came out I was one of the first to post here of the resemblance to Martin Brunt and Gerry.  Didn't think further than that but interesting theory nonetheless that there could be something behind this.
Yes, you did. What a waste of time, I have not seen your post before


Re: Sunday Express - ACCEPTED VERSION OF EVENTS IS WRONG and DAILYSTAR - WHAT YOU KNOW IS NOT THE TRUTH
  melisande on Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 pm

Is it me or does the guy on the right look like Martin Brunt?
Not at all, interesting though that a number of people could see the same resemblance.  So many strange things/coincidences?   about this whole sorry mess but I live in hope that sometime soon we will get to the bottom of it all.

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Re: It's Brunty!

Post by chillyheat on 06.11.13 12:59

During the Ipswich murders, a Suffolk Police Press Officer remarked to another journalist, as reported in the Times: ‘Call Martin Brunt. He knows everything before we do.’

http://skynews.skypressoffice.co.uk/biographies/special-correspondents/martin-brunt

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SY seeking for witnesses

Post by MarleneP on 06.11.13 13:14

If someone is on twitter he should ask Brunty, why Scotland Yard has shown his e-fit on Crime Watch.

https://twitter.com/skymartinbrunt

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Re: It's Brunty!

Post by Varriott on 06.11.13 14:16

@MarleneP wrote:
@melisande wrote:When these efits came out I was one of the first to post here of the resemblance to Martin Brunt and Gerry.  Didn't think further than that but interesting theory nonetheless that there could be something behind this.
Yes, you did. What a waste of time, I have not seen your post before


Re: Sunday Express - ACCEPTED VERSION OF EVENTS IS WRONG and DAILYSTAR - WHAT YOU KNOW IS NOT THE TRUTH
  melisande on Sun Oct 13, 2013 9:47 pm

Is it me or does the guy on the right look like Martin Brunt?
Full credit to you, melisande.  I am new here and haven't been through all the old posts. I think the efit doesn't just look like Brunt - I think it is literally a picture of him.  Look particularly at the ears, the space between nose and lip, the eye brows.  I can imagine, as others point out, that there is a huge amount of animosity towards him.  I just can't understand how a person who is supposedly a journalist can pre-judge the outcome of investigations and says explicitly that he knows what did or didn't happen in an unresolved case.  The question is - is he a stooge taking orders from Rupert Murdoch or is he just an idiot?  I think the latter.

I love the Baudrillard reference.  Takes me back to my university days.  The McCanns have successfully gotten the world to look for an abductor, who I believe never existed, and a little blonde girl, who I believe has been dead long before anyone knew she was gone.  The amazing thing is how the press, the public, everyone, seems to be finding both of these 'simulacra'.  There's an undergraduate paper in that!

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