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5TH NOVEMBER TRIAL UPDATES - Please post here

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Post by Guest on 06.11.13 17:45

@ultimaThule wrote: [...] Ah, the return of the famous Pedro Silva.  I've been wondering what's happened to him. 

But can this Pedro Silva of 'Lisbon, Portugal' be one and the same as the Pedro Silva of Rothley, Leicestershire?  I think we should be told. big grin
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You mean the one pretending to be Portuguese, but cannot translate or spell in that language ...?
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Post by ultimaThule on 06.11.13 17:56

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@ultimaThule wrote: [...] Ah, the return of the famous Pedro Silva.  I've been wondering what's happened to him. 

But can this Pedro Silva of 'Lisbon, Portugal' be one and the same as the Pedro Silva of Rothley, Leicestershire?  I think we should be told. big grin
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One and the same, Chatelaine meu amigo.laughat

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Post by Guest on 06.11.13 18:03

friends 

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Post by NickE on 06.11.13 18:10

Get`em Amaral clapping 
Keep Up!!!

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Post by Bobby Peru on 06.11.13 20:00

Pretty damning evidence provided by Flores. And yet more lame representation from the Plaintiff's lawyers. Still, as the old saying goes, 'you can't polish a turd'.

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Post by JackieL on 06.11.13 20:38

@noddy100 wrote:When I see things like this I am full of hope again. clapping
Me too!!  spin spin spin

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Post by Guest on 06.11.13 20:54

So lovely to see him so relaxed and smiling - he doesn't look too worried does he


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Post by Praiaaa on 06.11.13 20:57

candyfloss wrote:So lovely to see him so relaxed and smiling - he doesn't look too worried does he

Dignity, grace, integrity and resilience - a role model - a great and honourable man.

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Post by Hobs on 06.11.13 21:03

@Bobby Peru wrote:Pretty damning evidence provided by Flores. And yet more lame representation from the Plaintiff's lawyers. Still, as the old saying goes, 'you can't polish a turd'.
Actually you can polish a turd with various degrees of success. Mythbusters did a show on turd polishing   big grin

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Post by Daisy on 06.11.13 21:06

He's a good man, it shines through if you've a mind to see.

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Post by Truthandjustice on 06.11.13 21:32

Can't believe Alves the McCann criminal defence lawyer turned up outside the civil trial just to speak to the press! Glad that Amaral and his lawyer emphasised judicial secrecy and refused to comment on the investigation

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Post by plebgate on 06.11.13 22:24

I can't believe it either Truthandjustice, I really cannot.

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Post by nobodythereeither on 06.11.13 22:35

That's not from yesterday, though, is it?

Or have I misunderstood?

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Post by Guest on 06.11.13 22:38

@nobodythereeither wrote:That's not from yesterday, though, is it?

Or have I misunderstood?
I think from what I read on twitter that is from the 8th October is it?   Anne Guedes usually posts on Justice Forum first.

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Post by ultimaThule on 06.11.13 23:09

Day 7 was the last hearing in October.  Yesterday's hearing was Day 8 of the libel trial.

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Post by Rufus T on 07.11.13 0:12

Taken from the DM article 


He has been critical of a new British police appeal about the six-and-a-half year-old mystery, branding it a ‘PR campaign of intoxication and misinformation.'




Bravo, intoxication and misinformation - what a fabulous description. 

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Post by stillsloppingout on 07.11.13 9:54

@Rufus T wrote:Taken from the DM article 


He has been critical of a new British police appeal about the six-and-a-half year-old mystery, branding it a ‘PR campaign of intoxication and misinformation.'




Bravo, intoxication and misinformation - what a fabulous description. 
Could somebody , post this to SY , or ring and state it was said in a court of law [ although it is a persons opinion ].

 Ask as a concerned member of the public , why is this point being raised ? ,

  Ask them to clarify if the SY review is indeed ' A PR CAMPAIGN OF INTOXICATION AND MIS INFORMATION ," if not ask them to explain why as a taxpayer are they are being accused of not seeking to find the truth ?

 what is there remit  ? . 

 When are the McCann's and there friends being re interviewed ? !!!

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Post by sonic72 on 07.11.13 18:56

Are they not sitting in court today?

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Post by Guest on 07.11.13 19:39

The next scheduled day is 27th November.

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Post by sonic72 on 08.11.13 0:33

No Fate Worse Than De'Ath wrote:The next scheduled day is 27th November.
Oh ok, thanks for the info. They are spreading it out a fair bit aren't they!

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Libel Trial day 08 - 1st witness statement - 05-11-2013

Post by Guest on 08.11.13 13:49

Hi everyone:

The first witness statement is now available  at  http://www.gerrymccannsblogs.co.uk/press/77sep13/AnneGuedes_12_09_2013.htm#ltd8ml

I have tried to copy/paste it here, but end up with pages from previous witnesses as well.   I'm sure someone else can copy better than me.

Hope It hasn't been posted already, it's taken me some time trying.

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Post by Mélusine on 08.11.13 13:58

Posted with kind permission of Anne Guedes'

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A request is made to the Judge to disclose before the 27th of November, last session of the trial, whether the plaintiffs will, on that day, take the stand as plaintiffs (not as witnesses, therefore they don't have to be notified). No lawyer objects.

A request is made and allowed buy the Judge to postpone the hearing of Mr Paulo Sargento, whose absence is justified. No lawyer had objected.

G&P's lawyer, Dra Fatima Esteves, informs the Judge that she desisted of G&P's witness, Mr Marreiros.

The testimony as it happened...


(05.11.2013, 9:45 am) Mario Sena Lopes greets the public when entering the court room and will greet again before leaving it. He's an editor and literary agent. For about two years he worked for the publisher G&P and was responsible for Gonçalo Amaral's Truth of the lie's edition. He's the literary agent for Gonçalo Amaral by other publishers.
Asked by the Judge whether he's aware of the trial, he says that he answers that he ignores the details. He adds that he has no connection any more with the edition, since the book has been published.


1) The defence G&P's lawyer is the first to question the witness.

GP – Do you remember which was the sale price of the book when it was launched ?

SL thinks it was 13,30 €.

GP asks which was the price in Brazil

SL – G&P didn't commercialise the book in Brazil nor made any approach to have it published in Brazil. Some publishers have head offices in both countries, but it is not the case of Guerra&Paz.

GP – How was done the consignment?

SL says there are two techniques but in this case it was done through the Correio da Manha. The books are delivered to the bookshops. The unsold copies are sent back to the publisher who must accept them without invoicing.

GP asks which are the reasons for having returns.

SL – There are many, like the lack of public response, the excess of copies, contrary publicity in the media, unexpected social factors..

GP – What about the defective copies ?

SL – There are always damaged copies. They are destroyed either by the publisher or by the distributor. They don't benefit to the authors.

GP – Other books were written about the McCann case. Have you knowledge of them ?

SL thinks there are quite a few, like "A culpa dos McCann" (The guilt of the McCanns) and the own book of the McCanns.


2) Accusation lawyer, Dra Isabel Duarte

ID, alluding to the successive (12) editions of the book which she lists, asks the witness if he has an idea of the number of returns, either because the copy was defective or had been damaged.

SL says that G&P, in terms of editions and copies, takes good care to protect the rights of the authors. He adds that at the beginning there are more wants than copies offered. In the case of the last edition this is different.

ID – What about the books that were concerned by the injunction ?

SL – There are always distributed books that escape an injunction, but most of the copies were delivered to the keeper (note : Dra Isabel Duarte). He says he can't guarantee that all were delivered, but can guarantee that no copy remained at the publisher or at the distributor.

ID – About the sale price, are you certain of what you answered ?

SL says he is.

ID – Wasn't the sale price lowered in the case of this book ?

SL says that for most books that doesn't happen. It happens sometimes when the book has no success or when there's a motive to promote it. He doesn't think it is good practice.

ID – What likely happened in the case of this book ?

SL – Nothing of this kind happened.

ID – Therefore the sale price was around 13 €. What about the hypermarkets ?

SL says the hypermarkets don't seek the public and adds that the 15 thousands copies of the first edition were sold in the same week. He remarks that the editions are all referred to in the following ones.

The Judge asks whether the witness knows the percentage of returns among the published books.
SL doesn't know.

End of this hearing


Mario Sena Lopes was a witness in the Injunction judgment in January 2010.
Mario Rui da Silva Sena Lopes, editorial manager for the publisher from July 2007 to September 2009, clarified questions regarding the the choice of date to launch the book, foreign editions and destruction of books; he stated that negotiations for the book began in the first trimester [quarter] of 2008

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Post by Guest on 08.11.13 14:04

Thank you Melusine.    Just managed to copy it myself, but yours is a far better copy than mine, well done.

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Post by Mélusine on 08.11.13 14:15

I wonder why so many lawyers' questions related to returned copies of the book. Because of the injunction? What were they going after? That not all books were withdrawn?

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