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Post by Guest on 05.11.13 9:22

If anyone has any news from trial please post on this thread.

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Post by Guest on 05.11.13 10:19

@Mélusine wrote:copied from twitter:

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Today in Lisbon, witnesses Paulo Sargento, Valentim de Carvalho, Luis Varela Marreiros, Mario Lopes, Tania Raposo, Antonio Paulo dos Santos.

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Post by bellum on 05.11.13 11:13

thank you.  let us hope that we will hear more.

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Post by Miraflores on 05.11.13 11:55

Today in Lisbon, witnesses Paulo Sargento, Valentim de Carvalho, Luis Varela Marreiros, Mario Lopes, Tania Raposo, Antonio Paulo dos Santos.
Sorry, but who are all these people? Apart from being Portuguese, and I assume witnesses for Amaral?

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Post by Smokeandmirrors on 05.11.13 12:08

@Miraflores wrote:
Today in Lisbon, witnesses Paulo Sargento, Valentim de Carvalho, Luis Varela Marreiros, Mario Lopes, Tania Raposo, Antonio Paulo dos Santos.
Sorry, but who are all these people? Apart from being Portuguese, and I assume witnesses for Amaral?
I think Paul;o Sargento is a criminal psychologist. Yes they are for Amaral, and will be well placed to defend the good cause here. McCanns could only muster a few flaky friends who said nothing of any substance and that Loach woman even claimed she had seen Amarals book for sale in the UK which is a lie. Kate's mother was not allowed to speak on the basis the Judge thought she had nothing useful to say.

I think we can tell where the judge has pinned her flag.

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Post by jeanmonroe on 05.11.13 12:17

@Miraflores wrote:
Today in Lisbon, witnesses Paulo Sargento, Valentim de Carvalho, Luis Varela Marreiros, Mario Lopes, Tania Raposo, Antonio Paulo dos Santos.
Sorry, but who are all these people? Apart from being Portuguese, and I assume witnesses for Amaral?
Yes i believe these are all GA 'witnesses'
The McCanns have finished giving their 'evidence' with their list of 'witnesses'

The McCanns themselves thought, belatedly, that they would 'have the last word' by appealing to the Judge to be heard personally.
They had the chance to be included in the original 'list of witnesses' but strangely they omitted themselves from it.

After the 'trial' started to go 'pear shaped' with all the BS their 'truthful witnesses' came out with, they suddenly wanted to 'be heard'

Mr Amaral, quite rightly, counteracted their 'attempt' to be the LAST 'witnesses' to be HEARD (infamy, infamy, they've all got it in for me) by applying to the Judge that he too would like to be 'heard'

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Post by prickles78 on 05.11.13 12:19

Not sure if this the right place to post this...but is it right that the mccanns or just Kate were meant to be present and haven't turned up??

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Post by Sockpuppet on 05.11.13 12:20

@prickles78 wrote:Not sure if this the right place to post this...but is it right that the mccanns or just Kate were meant to be present and haven't turned up??
No idea, but this thread is supposed to be for updates only.

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Post by bellum on 05.11.13 12:52

Not sure but I think Valentim de Carvalho filmed Amaral's documentary, Lopes edited his book,
Paulo Sargento is a forensic, criminal psychologist..  As I said, I am not sure.


And I think Santos is Amaral's lawyer.

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Post by Guest on 05.11.13 13:10

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Day 8 of the #McCann vs Gonçalo #Amaral libel case and yet more absent witnesses. Amaral book 'Truth of the Lie' editor on the stand earlier


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Post by Guest on 05.11.13 13:41

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Psychologist Paulo Sargento unable to take stand at #McCann vs #Amaral libel trial today as he is on his honeymoon. Will do so on 27th


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Post by Mélusine on 05.11.13 13:52

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#McCann vs Gonçalo #Amaral libel trial gets going again in Lisbon with witnesses from Portuguese TVI and other media.

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Post by Daisy on 05.11.13 14:32

Found this elsewhere, don't do Twitter so don't know if it's true?


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@Justice_forum The case has been adjourned and only the publisher gave evidence #mccann

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Post by ultimaThule on 05.11.13 15:12

That would seem to be the likely outcome of today's hearing, Daisy.  

The publisher has given his evidence for the defence and the case has been adjourned, most probably until tomorrow unless the judge has decided otherwise.

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Post by Daisy on 05.11.13 15:31

Thanks UT. thumbsup

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Post by Guest on 05.11.13 17:17

IIUC there was one witness this morning, the second one was not available. Therefor long lunch break, then two more witnesses in the afternoon. Anne Guedes was present [and may not need too much time to write up the proceedings of today ...]. Seems to have been an uneventful hearing.

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Post by ultimaThule on 05.11.13 18:36

I'm guessing that certain parties to the proceedings were conspicuous by their absence - perhaps having a second/third/fourth honeymoon in a 5* hotel far from the increasingly maddened madding crowd?  Or holed up in Rothley Towers plaguing Izzy for blow by blow accounts. 

Does anyone know whether Izzy was working at home again today?

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Post by sonic72 on 05.11.13 18:50

@Sockpuppet wrote:
@prickles78 wrote:Not sure if this the right place to post this...but is it right that the mccanns or just Kate were meant to be present and haven't turned up??
No idea, but this thread is supposed to be for updates only.
Surely someone reporting them being there is an update?!

An update that is a welcome piece of information imo.

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Post by ultimaThule on 05.11.13 19:28

@prickles78 wrote:Not sure if this the right place to post this...but is it right that the mccanns or just Kate were meant to be present and haven't turned up??
Below is an extract from a post I made in the early hours of today on another thread which may go some way to explaining the current situation, prickles.

As I understand it, the judge is due to rule on applications by both of the McCanns and that of Dr Amaral to be heard in person by the court and will, presumably, hand down her judgement in this matter later today. 

If the judge grants any or all of the applications, the individuals concerned will not be heard until the defence has concluded its case and therefore it is not necessary for the McCanns to attend the court again unless requested to do so.


It's to be hoped the transcript of today's hearing will
reveal the judge's decision as to whether she has granted all/any of the applications.

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Post by ultimaThule on 05.11.13 19:33

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#McCann vs #Amaral libel case 3 witnesses today. Mario Sena Lopes, the editor of G&P and this afternoon Antonio dos Santos and Luis Froes.


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Post by Mélusine on 05.11.13 19:53

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#McCann v #Amaral libel trial. Luis Froes, manager of Valentim de Carvalhos Filmes, was told to return on the 27th to answer questions.

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Post by noddy100 on 05.11.13 20:07

Considering when they are on the front of a paper they fly off the shelves and BBC and SY spent £££££££ on a new show to publicise their 'search' I
am amazed that this trial gets NO coverage at all in the UK

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Post by Issy on 05.11.13 20:27

@noddy100 wrote:Considering when they are on the front of a paper they fly off the shelves and BBC and SY spent £££££££ on a new show to publicise their 'search' I
am amazed that this trial gets NO coverage at all in the UK
Maybe a good sign, as if the papers thought it was going well for the  McCanns they'd probably be giving it maximum publicity. You know the sort of thing, 'Disgraced detective humbled in court by courage of the McCanns' and all that rubbish. But unfortunately things don't seem to be going too well for the duo, and it certainly won't help matters if the 5 years hiding of the e-fit suspect gets a mention. I think even the silliest of journalists would be hard put to it to blame Dr Amaral for harming the search for Madeleine when her own parents were prepared to take legal measures to make sure the e-fit that SY now says is of great importance never saw the light of day. I hope this matter of the e-fit does get brought up in court, it doesn't matter how anyone tries to spin it, facts are facts and it's time a few importance facts were brought out into the open. They wanted the court case, they must put up with whatever happens.

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Post by sallypelt on 05.11.13 21:33


Police chief blamed Kate and Gerry McCann for Madeleine's disappearance 'to ensure Portuguese detectives didn't abandon case'
Goncalo Amaral was said to have been 'against shelving of original probe'
Kate and Gerry McCann are suing Mr Amaral over his claims in 2008 book

He alleged couple faked the abduction to cover up her death in Portugal
McCanns say book turned people against them when they needed help


A former Portuguese police chief blamed Madeleine McCann's parents for the three-year-old girl's disappearance to ensure detectives carried on looking for her, a former colleague claimed today.

Antonio Paulo dos Santos told a Lisbon court he believed his friend Goncalo Amaral penned a book pointing the finger at the couple because he was against the shelving of the original investigation.

Kate and Gerry McCann are suing Mr Amaral over his claims in his July 2008 book The Truth of the Lie that they faked their daughter's abduction to cover up her death in their holiday apartment.

His book was released three days after the Portuguese police probe into the girl’s disappearance was archived and the McCanns were told their status as official suspects or arguidos was being lifted.

Defence witness Mr dos Santos, who worked with Mr Amaral in the early Nineties and remains in close contact with him, spoke at the hearing this afternoon.

He said: ‘Everything that's in the book appears to be in the case files. It's not fictional. They are the conclusions of a factual analysis by Goncalo Amaral as the head of the police investigation.






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‘I think the main reason he wrote the book was so that the case would continue to be investigated. When he published the book I presume he didn't agree with its archiving.’

Today's libel trial hearing was the first since Portuguese authorities announced last month they were reopening their probe into Madeleine's disappearance more than five years after it was shelved.

The morning court session started with a disappointment for the defence when it emerged a key witness was on honeymoon and his evidence had to be rescheduled for a later date.



Criminologist and university professor Paulo Sargento was expected to support Mr Amaral and say he did not believe Madeleine had been abducted from her Algarve holiday apartment.

In October 2007 he created a 3D reconstruction of the night on May 3, 2007 when Madeleine disappeared - and concluded any abductor would only have had eight minutes in which to strike.

He later came up with a computer edit based on witness statements of a long-haired bearded man which the McCanns' spokesman Clarence Mitchell insisted at the time could cause confusion.

Mario Sena Lopes, editor of Guerra & Paz which published Mr Amaral's controversial book, admitted he could not guarantee all copies had been returned after the McCanns successfully injected it.

The couple secured a temporary injunction in September 2008 before a court upheld the ban in February 2010 after a challenge from Mr Amaral. The injunction was lifted again in March 2011.

Mr Lopes, who is still Mr Amaral's literary agent, told the hearing: ‘There are always booksellers who do not respect the orders of the distributors.’

He also admitted knowing the book had been circulated in Brazil but insisted Guerra & Paz had nothing to do with it.

Luis Vale Frois, former managing director of a firm which distributed a DVD of a documentary based on Mr Amaral's book, said it was inevitable pirate copies would find their way onto the Internet.

He told the hearing: ‘If this week you release a series on TV, next week it's already on the internet with Portuguese subtitles.’

Mr Amaral, removed as head of the Madeleine McCann probe in October 2007 after criticising the British police, attended court for the trial as he has done every day since its start in September.

He has been critical of a new British police appeal about the six-and-a-half year-old mystery, branding it a ‘PR campaign of intoxication and misinformation.’

But he declined to comment today on the reopened Portuguese police investigation into Madeleine's disappearance.

Mr Amaral's lawyer Vitor dos Santos insisted outside court: ‘We are not going to make any comment about the criminal investigation. This is a civil case and when it's over my client will be free to speak. No lawyer should make any statements about people being absolved or not being absolved from an investigation.


'This is not the time to be saying anything about it because it makes no sense to do so.’

The McCanns claim Mr Amaral's book turned Portuguese people against them when they most needed their help in finding their daughter.

The ex-police chief is denying defamation and insists everything in the book was contained in police files. Former police colleagues have given evidence backing his argument.

The McCanns, of Rothley, Leicestershire, have applied to take the witness stand as well as Mr Amaral.


Judge Maria Emilia Melo e Castro is expected to rule on their application at the end of the month. The case, scheduled to finish in December, continues


THINGS ARE LOOKING UP!!

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