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Post by juliet on 02.11.13 21:42

I suppose they were also keen to suppress the report - from their own elite investigators - which said there were anomalies in the Tapas 9 evidence,  that Maddie's sleep patterns should be looked into, and that the child might well have wandered out to look for the parents.
As for Smithman, it can't have helped that he looked so like Gerry, whereas Jane Tanner's man looked less like Gerry the more she "remembered" him.

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Post by Truthandjustice on 02.11.13 21:45

@Carver wrote:Doesn't this explain precisely why the McCann's may have dismissed Smithman before?
Nope, I'd say it's precisely because Mr Smith made a police statement that Smithman looked like Gerry McCann.

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Post by jd on 02.11.13 21:46

@Carver wrote:
Perhaps they didn't think Smithman was a vital piece of the puzzle at all until recently when Tannerman was found? You've all said yourself how ludicrous it would be for an abductor to roam through the town on foot with the child.
Selective on who may have snatched their daughter, when they are meant to not have a clue who took her....ok then

And where have I said "how ludicrous it would be for an abductor to roam through the town on foot with the child."?????

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Post by Guest on 02.11.13 21:49

@Carver wrote:
@jd wrote:The mccanns have been using their elite friends and the press to promote 'if you have the missing piece of the puzzle'...when all the time they had it themselves!...and used their money to silence people instead, rather than to promote it! big grin
"all the time they had it themselves"

Perhaps they didn't think Smithman was a vital piece of the puzzle
at all until recently when Tannerman was found? You've all said yourself how ludicrous it would be for an abductor to roam through the town on foot with the child.

Maybe now that Tannerman is out of the picture it's the only 'lead' they're left with.
 
 
 
So they didn't think Smithman was a vital piece of the puzzle.........what happened to leaving no stone unturned.  GM say in CW words to the effect  @34.00 into CW...

That's why the e-fit & sketches and new information tonight are so important to us, because that's probably the  best chance we've got of finding Madeleine.

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Post by Carver on 02.11.13 21:50

@juliet wrote:I suppose they were also keen to suppress the report - from their own elite investigators - which said there were anomalies in the Tapas 9 evidence,  that Maddie's sleep patterns should be looked into, and that the child might well have wandered out to look for the parents.
As for Smithman, it can't have helped that he looked so like Gerry, whereas Jane Tanner's man looked less like Gerry the more she "remembered" him.
So they suppressed something that wouldn't be helpful at all in the search for their daughter?  If you were the McCanns and knew for a fact you didn't kill the child and cover up the death (not saying they did or didn't,m just hypothetically), wouldn't you also dismiss the report and focus on what mattered? And the theory of Maddie waking up and wandering off was already a pretty obvious possibility that had been mentioned numerous times.

He looked "so like Gerry"? Didn't Martin Smith say only that he carried a child the same way Gerry did? (aka the standard way of carrying a small child)

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Post by Carver on 02.11.13 21:53

candyfloss wrote:
That's why the e-fit & sketches and new information tonight are so important to us, because that's probably the  best chance we've got of finding Madeleine.
+ "NOW that we can rule out Tannerman"


Back then they decided their friends sighting outside of the apartment was more important than a family of strangers the other side of town, who wouldn't?

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Post by jd on 02.11.13 21:57

candyfloss wrote:
 
 
So they didn't think Smithman was a vital piece of the puzzle.........what happened to leaving no stone unturned.  GM say in CW words to the effect  @34.00 into CW...
What is the point of having a fund for your missing child called 'No Stone Unturned" when you are selective on what stones to turn!! Unless they used this term because it means something else big grin 

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Post by russiandoll on 02.11.13 22:00

Carver, might I ask you a question? If you were to consult Gerry McCann as the heart specialist that he is, and he gave you medical advice following a careful examination and tests on your heart, would you as a person

a. follow his advice  or b. ignore it and do what you[ with no medical training] thought best for your heart health?


 as an analogy for paying for expert advice, ignoring the findings and recommendations because it did not suit an agenda.

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Post by sami on 02.11.13 22:01

@Carver wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
That's why the e-fit & sketches and new information tonight are so important to us, because that's probably the  best chance we've got of finding Madeleine.
+ "NOW that we can rule out Tannerman"


Back then they decided their friends sighting outside of the apartment was more important than a family of strangers the other side of town, who wouldn't?
It has taken nearly 7 years to rule it out !! Are they slowly and carefully leaving no stone unturned.

No hurry then.

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Post by Carver on 02.11.13 22:03

@sami wrote:
@Carver wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
That's why the e-fit & sketches and new information tonight are so important to us, because that's probably the  best chance we've got of finding Madeleine.
+ "NOW that we can rule out Tannerman"


Back then they decided their friends sighting outside of the apartment was more important than a family of strangers the other side of town, who wouldn't?
It has taken nearly 7 years to rule it out !!
Doesn't that say more about the Portugese police failings than anything else?

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Post by Carver on 02.11.13 22:04

@russiandoll wrote:Carver, might I ask you a question? If you were to consult Gerry McCann as the heart specialist that he is, and he gave you medical advice following a careful examination and tests on your heart, would you as a person

a. follow his advice  or b. ignore it and do what you[ with no medical training] thought best for your heart health?


 as an analogy for paying for expert advice, ignoring the findings and recommendations because it did not suit an agenda.
unfair analogy as if the McCann's knew for a fact they weren't guilty, and the report was suggesting they were, they'd know better than the "experts". Whereas I don't know more about my heart than a heart doctor.

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Post by jd on 02.11.13 22:05

@sami wrote:
@Carver wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
That's why the e-fit & sketches and new information tonight are so important to us, because that's probably the  best chance we've got of finding Madeleine.
+ "NOW that we can rule out Tannerman"


Back then they decided their friends sighting outside of the apartment was more important than a family of strangers the other side of town, who wouldn't?
It has taken nearly 7 years to rule it out !! Are they slowly and carefully leaving no stone unturned.

No hurry then.
Whist all the time holding the missing piece of the jigsaw for 5 years!!! I wonder how any child would feel that their parents purposely suppressed important information that could free them from captivity

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Post by Carver on 02.11.13 22:07

@jd wrote:
@sami wrote:
@Carver wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
That's why the e-fit & sketches and new information tonight are so important to us, because that's probably the  best chance we've got of finding Madeleine.
+ "NOW that we can rule out Tannerman"


Back then they decided their friends sighting outside of the apartment was more important than a family of strangers the other side of town, who wouldn't?
It has taken nearly 7 years to rule it out !! Are they slowly and carefully leaving no stone unturned.

No hurry then.
Whist all the time holding the missing piece of the jigsaw for 5 years!!! I wonder how any child would feel that their parents purposely suppressed important information that could free them from captivity
Again, for those 5 years they believed Tannerman to be the missing piece. Now that he's ruled out, Smithman is the priority. And they go to Crimewatch with it.

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Post by SchrodingersBody on 02.11.13 22:14

All possibilites should be considered from the off, until they are ruled out, not just the ones that you like the look of, and then look at the others when your "hunches" have not worked.

The day after I could accept that argument that tannerman was a stronger lead and should be focussed on, even maybe the week after, but other leads should still be considered until eliminated. Lets not forget that up until a couple of weeks ago, those efit pictures were still under legal protection. Whilst the McCanns were in control of them, despite "doing anything and everything" to find their daughter, they kept that lead as quiet as possible. They didn't just concentrate on the one they liked, they actively tried to reduce focus on one they seem to have a dislike of for some reason.

As I said, in the early stages I would find the behaviour, whereby you would try and focus on the "stronger" leads perfectly normal, but when it becomes clear that your friends memory has played more tricks than Paul Daniels, and after 6 and a half years of nothing related to tannerman, just when would you think it reasonable to consider that sighting as worthy of investigation, remembering of course that you're trying to do anything at all to get your daughter back ??  That's right when the police force your hand.

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Post by SchrodingersBody on 02.11.13 22:17

@Carver wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:Carver, might I ask you a question? If you were to consult Gerry McCann as the heart specialist that he is, and he gave you medical advice following a careful examination and tests on your heart, would you as a person

a. follow his advice  or b. ignore it and do what you[ with no medical training] thought best for your heart health?


 as an analogy for paying for expert advice, ignoring the findings and recommendations because it did not suit an agenda.
unfair analogy as if the McCann's knew for a fact they weren't guilty, and the report was suggesting they were, they'd know better than the "experts". Whereas I don't know more about my heart than a heart doctor.
They didn't, only if they were together at all times and could vouch for each other would they know for a fact.....they weren't/can't.

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Post by SchrodingersBody on 02.11.13 22:21

@Carver wrote:
@sami wrote:
@Carver wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
That's why the e-fit & sketches and new information tonight are so important to us, because that's probably the  best chance we've got of finding Madeleine.
+ "NOW that we can rule out Tannerman"


Back then they decided their friends sighting outside of the apartment was more important than a family of strangers the other side of town, who wouldn't?
It has taken nearly 7 years to rule it out !!
Doesn't that say more about the Portugese police failings than anything else?
Personally I think it says more about the British Police and their desire to move things along to an appropriate conclusion than it does the "failings" of the Portugese police.

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Post by Guest on 02.11.13 22:21

Nothing on the front page of Sunday Times this Sunday....


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Post by jd on 02.11.13 22:22

I've learnt something new today...No Stone Unturned actually means if you don't agree with a stone then to leave it unturned

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Post by Carver on 02.11.13 22:26

@SchrodingersBody wrote:
@Carver wrote:
@sami wrote:
@Carver wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
That's why the e-fit & sketches and new information tonight are so important to us, because that's probably the  best chance we've got of finding Madeleine.
+ "NOW that we can rule out Tannerman"


Back then they decided their friends sighting outside of the apartment was more important than a family of strangers the other side of town, who wouldn't?
It has taken nearly 7 years to rule it out !!
Doesn't that say more about the Portugese police failings than anything else?
Personally I think it says more about the British Police and their desire to move things along to an appropriate conclusion than it does the "failings" of the Portugese police.
So it's not a failure that the Portugese police didn't even discover there was a night creche across the street? Tannerman could have been ruled out at the very start if they did. And Smithman could have been chased up.

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Post by sami on 02.11.13 22:27

@jd wrote:
@sami wrote:
@Carver wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
That's why the e-fit & sketches and new information tonight are so important to us, because that's probably the  best chance we've got of finding Madeleine.
+ "NOW that we can rule out Tannerman"


Back then they decided their friends sighting outside of the apartment was more important than a family of strangers the other side of town, who wouldn't?
It has taken nearly 7 years to rule it out !! Are they slowly and carefully leaving no stone unturned.

No hurry then.
Whist all the time holding the missing piece of the jigsaw for 5 years!!! I wonder how any child would feel that their parents purposely suppressed important information that could free them from captivity
They could in fact have "the key" they have been looking for, come to think of it.  They really should check in that secret box, just in case.  No hurry though anytime during the next seven years will do.

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Post by Guest on 02.11.13 22:33

candyfloss wrote:Nothing on the front page of Sunday Times this Sunday....

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So much for the cliff-hanger of last week ... ?
Kevin ... ????

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Post by Guest on 02.11.13 22:35

@Carver wrote:
@SchrodingersBody wrote:
@Carver wrote:
@sami wrote:
@Carver wrote:
candyfloss wrote:
That's why the e-fit & sketches and new information tonight are so important to us, because that's probably the  best chance we've got of finding Madeleine.
+ "NOW that we can rule out Tannerman"


Back then they decided their friends sighting outside of the apartment was more important than a family of strangers the other side of town, who wouldn't?
It has taken nearly 7 years to rule it out !!
Doesn't that say more about the Portugese police failings than anything else?
Personally I think it says more about the British Police and their desire to move things along to an appropriate conclusion than it does the "failings" of the Portugese police.
So it's not a failure that the Portugese police didn't even discover there was a night creche across the street? Tannerman could have been ruled out at the very start if they did. And Smithman could have been chased up.
What about the PI's, they could have done the same thing.  Oh I forgot they did, they thought the Smith sighting was far more credible, if you read the ST report.

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Post by jd on 02.11.13 22:35

@Carver wrote:So it's not a failure that the Portugese police didn't even discover there was a night creche across the street? Tannerman could have been ruled out at the very start if they did. And Smithman could have been chased up.
The mccanns could have cleared it up too in their 'Maddie was here' documentary...instead of twisting the facts of the Smith sighting to support the tanner sighting

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Post by Truthandjustice on 02.11.13 22:38

@Carver wrote:So it's not a failure that the Portugese police didn't even discover there was a night creche across the street? Tannerman could have been ruled out at the very start if they did. And Smithman could have been chased up.
Tannerman was ruled out pretty early on but not for the reasons you state.  Slight problem with the night creche thing... would have put Tannerman walking in the opposite direction.

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Post by russiandoll on 02.11.13 22:40

@Carver wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:Carver, might I ask you a question? If you were to consult Gerry McCann as the heart specialist that he is, and he gave you medical advice following a careful examination and tests on your heart, would you as a person

a. follow his advice  or b. ignore it and do what you[ with no medical training] thought best for your heart health?


 as an analogy for paying for expert advice, ignoring the findings and recommendations because it did not suit an agenda.
unfair analogy as if the McCann's knew for a fact they weren't guilty, and the report was suggesting they were, they'd know better than the "experts". Whereas I don't know more about my heart than a heart doctor.
 unfair? If the McCanns were innocent and wanted to find the abductor, they would take advice of their paid experts.
 How did the report from their PIs suggest their guilt? It simply pointed to one sighting being more credible than another.

 They chose to ignore it, and wanted so badly to have it concealed that they threatened legal action. It contained criticism of them and their friends and highlighted inconsistencies in witness evidence. So reputation mattered most.

 I see we will not be able to debate the issues properly.

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