The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann™
Hi,

A very warm welcome to The Complete Mystery of Madeleine McCann™ forum.

Please log in, or register to view all the forums, then settle in and start chatting with us!

Enjoy your day,

Jill Havern
Forum owner

Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Page 2 of 5 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

View previous topic View next topic Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by Praiaaa on 02.11.13 18:28

[quote="sonic72"][quote="juliet"]Gerry is a useful surgeon quote]
er, says who? hardly think so - doesn't he just look at scans? I don't think he's a real surgeon.

Praiaaa

Posts : 419
Reputation : 36
Join date : 2011-04-17

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by Guest on 02.11.13 18:32

@Praiaaa wrote:
@sonic72 wrote:
@juliet wrote:Gerry is a useful surgeon quote]
er, says who? hardly think so - doesn't he just look at scans? I don't think he's a real surgeon.
He is not

He writes up papers, in teams

If anyone knows anything he has researched and publicized all by himself, please put it here for the rest of us

Guest
Guest


Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by juliet on 02.11.13 18:38

That's exactly what they had, sonic - the "crisis management gold package". 
Why?
What happened must have been of more significance  than a bunch of cold-hearted midland docs being caught out neglecting their kids on holiday.

juliet

Posts : 579
Reputation : 2
Join date : 2011-06-21

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by TheTruthWillOut on 02.11.13 19:19

@juliet wrote:That's exactly what they had, sonic - the "crisis management gold package". 
Why?
What happened must have been of more significance  than a bunch of cold-hearted midland docs being caught out neglecting their kids on holiday.
This is my thinking too. Almost like both police investigations are tip toeing their way round something very sensitive that is not directly connected with this case.

If that is the case, it could explain the "power" they've had all these years. But what could it be?

TheTruthWillOut

Posts : 733
Reputation : 16
Join date : 2011-09-26

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by Carver on 02.11.13 19:22

An entire theory based around the fact she doesn't believe an innocent parent would describe the abduction of their child as a disaster?

Carver

Posts : 55
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-11-02

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by sami on 02.11.13 19:33

@Carver wrote:An entire theory based around the fact she doesn't believe an innocent parent would describe the abduction of their child as a disaster?
Almost as ludicrous as building an entire abduction theory around an impossible timeline and a dubious innocent British crèche father sighting.  Almost but not quite.

sami

Posts : 962
Reputation : 48
Join date : 2012-04-08

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by Carver on 02.11.13 19:38

@sami wrote:
@Carver wrote:An entire theory based around the fact she doesn't believe an innocent parent would describe the abduction of their child as a disaster?
Almost as ludicrous as building an entire abduction theory around an impossible timeline and a dubious innocent British crèche father sighting.  Almost but not quite.
You're saying an abduction would have been impossible?

Carver

Posts : 55
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-11-02

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by Hongkong Phooey on 02.11.13 19:44

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@juliet wrote:That's exactly what they had, sonic - the "crisis management gold package". 
Why?
What happened must have been of more significance  than a bunch of cold-hearted midland docs being caught out neglecting their kids on holiday.
This is my thinking too. Almost like both police investigations are tip toeing their way round something very sensitive that is not directly connected with this case.

If that is the case, it could explain the "power" they've had all these years. But what could it be?
What sort of issue actually warrants all the help they received, what sort of issue gets 'D' notices, there's a clue in the Gaspers statements. It's allegedly rife in the higher echelons and that includes judges, politicians, lawyers and DOCTORS.

Hongkong Phooey

Posts : 310
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-10-20

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by secrets and lies on 02.11.13 19:53

If that IS the case, and the Gasper's statements really do shine a light on the nub of this case, then how can we ever expect to see the McCann's tried and brought to justice. Too much for the powers that be to loose. 

Can we expect any resolution at all?

secrets and lies

Posts : 145
Reputation : 20
Join date : 2013-10-19

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by Hongkong Phooey on 02.11.13 20:00

@secrets and lies wrote:If that IS the case, and the Gasper's statements really do shine a light on the nub of this case, then how can we ever expect to see the McCann's tried and brought to justice. Too much for the powers that be to loose. 

Can we expect any resolution at all?
From the get go (within hours) the McCanns claimed Maddie had been taken by Paedos, why would that even cross a parents mind? Surely that would be the last thing you would say out loud, unless there was another reason.

Hongkong Phooey

Posts : 310
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-10-20

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by juliet on 02.11.13 20:09

A lot depends on whether Redwood is on the side of the angels - the unexpected discovery of creche dad was possibly an anti-mccann masterstroke - or whether he' s a corrupt tool.

juliet

Posts : 579
Reputation : 2
Join date : 2011-06-21

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by TheTruthWillOut on 02.11.13 20:11

@Hongkong Phooey wrote:
@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@juliet wrote:That's exactly what they had, sonic - the "crisis management gold package". 
Why?
What happened must have been of more significance  than a bunch of cold-hearted midland docs being caught out neglecting their kids on holiday.
This is my thinking too. Almost like both police investigations are tip toeing their way round something very sensitive that is not directly connected with this case.

If that is the case, it could explain the "power" they've had all these years. But what could it be?
What sort of issue actually warrants all the help they received, what sort of issue gets 'D' notices, there's a clue in the Gaspers statements.  It's allegedly rife in the higher echelons and that includes judges, politicians,  lawyers and DOCTORS.
There is that elephant in the room, granted. But in light of the recent high profile cases (Saville, Smith) coming out after their deaths and the condemnation of secrecy, cover ups and 'D' notices etc, would the "free" press, also fighting their own corner ATM!, allow the same sort of thing to happen today and again?

Wouldn't the journalists be shouting from the rooftops if another cover up was happening in front of their eyes when their freedom is being eroded? Or am I too naive.......

TheTruthWillOut

Posts : 733
Reputation : 16
Join date : 2011-09-26

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by Casey5 on 02.11.13 20:44

I don't believe there's been any live politicians "outed" in paedophile scandals, dead ones yes and plenty of live show biz personalities but a dearth of live politicians certainly.
Maybe politicians are classed as too important to be "outed".

Casey5

Posts : 321
Reputation : 18
Join date : 2013-02-01

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by pennylane on 02.11.13 21:05

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@Hongkong Phooey wrote:
@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@juliet wrote:That's exactly what they had, sonic - the "crisis management gold package". 
Why?
What happened must have been of more significance  than a bunch of cold-hearted midland docs being caught out neglecting their kids on holiday.
This is my thinking too. Almost like both police investigations are tip toeing their way round something very sensitive that is not directly connected with this case.

If that is the case, it could explain the "power" they've had all these years. But what could it be?
What sort of issue actually warrants all the help they received, what sort of issue gets 'D' notices, there's a clue in the Gaspers statements.  It's allegedly rife in the higher echelons and that includes judges, politicians,  lawyers and DOCTORS.
There is that elephant in the room, granted. But in light of the recent high profile cases (Saville, Smith) coming out after their deaths and the condemnation of secrecy, cover ups and 'D' notices etc, would the "free" press, also fighting their own corner ATM!, allow the same sort of thing to happen today and again?

Wouldn't the journalists be shouting from the rooftops if another cover up was happening in front of their eyes when their freedom is being eroded? Or am I too naive.......
I believe some journalists are exposing this whitewash in a clever way, and public opinion has noticeably shifted as a result.  They are putting the squeeze on SY by reporting their absurd leads, and shameful waste of taxpayers money, which also has a detrimental effect on the McCann abduction facade.  It's effective baby steps.

Plus, in his exhaustive efforts to elevate the McCanns credibility, DCI Redwood has only succeeded in destroying his own.

(imo)

pennylane

Posts : 2529
Reputation : 1189
Join date : 2009-12-07

View user profile

Back to top Go down

DR MARTIN ROBERTS, MCCANN FILES 16TH JULY, 2012

Post by Lolamanola on 02.11.13 21:34

Please read, maybe it will all make more sense as to how why, Gold package available to them?.

Lolamanola

Posts : 22
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-02-05

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by TheTruthWillOut on 02.11.13 21:38

@pennylane wrote:I believe some journalists are exposing this whitewash in a clever way, and public opinion has noticeably shifted as a result.  They are putting the squeeze on SY by reporting their absurd leads, and shameful waste of taxpayers money, which also has a detrimental effect on the McCann abduction facade.  It's effective baby steps.

Plus, in his exhaustive efforts to elevate the McCanns credibility, DCI Redwood has only succeeded in destroying his own.

(imo)
If some of these journalists do have an idea what is really going on in this case (And I believe they do) they should grow a pair and report on it IMO.

I keep referring back to this telling video of Klara lethbridge and Yvonne radley:



What is she scared of and why hasn't she talked about it since? It frankly boils my piss that some journalists know things and say nothing.banghead

TheTruthWillOut

Posts : 733
Reputation : 16
Join date : 2011-09-26

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by pennylane on 02.11.13 22:15

@TheTruthWillOut wrote:
@pennylane wrote:I believe some journalists are exposing this whitewash in a clever way, and public opinion has noticeably shifted as a result.  They are putting the squeeze on SY by reporting their absurd leads, and shameful waste of taxpayers money, which also has a detrimental effect on the McCann abduction facade.  It's effective baby steps.

Plus, in his exhaustive efforts to elevate the McCanns credibility, DCI Redwood has only succeeded in destroying his own.

(imo)
If some of these journalists do have an idea what is really going on in this case (And I believe they do) they should grow a pair and report on it IMO.

I keep referring back to this telling video of Klara lethbridge and Yvonne radley:



What is she scared of and why hasn't she talked about it since? It frankly boils my piss that some journalists know things and say nothing.banghead
Thanks, TTWO, I hadn't seen that for ages!  hello

Everyone was reigned in fast, and Clarence knew how the system worked, and exploited his connections shamelessly.


Sky News and BBC have been exposed as the worst of the worst.

Hopefully The Times will keep up the good work it has began, and we will begin to see more, significant facts about this case reported in the coming weeks.  It's long overdue.pray2

pennylane

Posts : 2529
Reputation : 1189
Join date : 2009-12-07

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by russiandoll on 02.11.13 22:21

@Carver wrote:An entire theory based around the fact she doesn't believe an innocent parent would describe the abduction of their child as a disaster?
  It is good to have an abduction believer on this forum as far as I know the Justice forum is the only place apart from here where doubters and believers are welcome on one site.

 I am open to persuasion that I am wrong in my beliefs, so could you please tell me, given the witness statements and rogatories, why you are convinced that this is a case of stranger abduction ?

 btw I note that in another of your posts you mention beliefs of doubters that Maddie was killed by one of her parents. That is not the only theory apart from an abduction which would account for her disappearance.

____________________



             The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie — deliberate,
contrived and dishonest — but the myth — persistent, persuasive and
unrealistic.
~John F. Kennedy


russiandoll

Posts : 3942
Reputation : 7
Join date : 2011-09-11

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by ProfessorPPlum on 02.11.13 22:41

@russiandoll wrote:
@Carver wrote:An entire theory based around the fact she doesn't believe an innocent parent would describe the abduction of their child as a disaster?
  It is good to have an abduction believer on this forum as far as I know the Justice forum is the only place apart from here where doubters and believers are welcome on one site.

 I am open to persuasion that I am wrong in my beliefs, so could you please tell me, given the witness statements and rogatories, why you are convinced that this is a case of stranger abduction ?

 btw I note that in another of your posts you mention beliefs of doubters that Maddie was killed by one of her parents. That is not the only theory apart from an abduction which would account for her disappearance.
Well said russiandoll. 
Yes, Carver. I think the thing that distinguishes the people here from the so-called 'pro-McCann' people is that we're capable of discussing this case without needing to resort to abuse. In fact, the first one to give up and be rude to the other LOSES thumbsup Seriously though, it's great to debate this. I don't KNOW what happened. I know what I think happened based on what I know (and I recognise that isn't everything). There are reasons that I hold that view and those are based on a mixture of fact, logic and intuition as, I'm sure are your views. 
So often those who don't accept the abduction 'theory' (btw it isn't a strong theory at all since there is no evidence for it whatsoever) are often called 'haters'. The only thing I hate is that anyone feels so attached to a view of the McCanns (pro or anti) that they feel it entitles them to abuse another human being. There's been enough of that already.

____________________
The prime suspects in the disappearance of Madeleine McCann cannot be permitted to dictate what can and can't be discussed about the case

ProfessorPPlum

Posts : 411
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2012-05-04

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Let's hope [and I believe] that top cops can play chess and poker too ;-)

Post by Bookworm on 02.11.13 22:59

Chatelaine I hope so too. (Sorry - in reply to your post at 6.20 - I haven't got the hang of this yet... )

One thing that leads me to believe that a clever game is being played by SY, is when Rewood said " we're doing this for Madeleine" (or words to that effect).  You'd have to be a very cynical, morally bereft, individual to say something like that about a 'missing' child and not actually mean it.

First post by the way.....

Bookworm

Posts : 1
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-10-28

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by Cerinthe on 02.11.13 23:18

@pennylane wrote:
Everyone was reigned in fast, and Clarence knew how the system worked, and exploited his connections shamelessly.
I hadn't thought about this but it's really interesting.  Why were the McCanns sent someone whose experience wasn't just liaising with the press but who knew how to control the press and stop stories getting published?  Why would anybody in government want to offer them that service?

Cerinthe

Posts : 67
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-09-24

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by bodiddly on 02.11.13 23:21

@Carver wrote:An entire theory based around the fact she doesn't believe an innocent parent would describe the abduction of their child as a disaster?
I am sure she is taking all the other factors involved in as well and not just basing it on that.



____________________
A lie cannot live...Martin Luther King, Jr.

bodiddly

Posts : 77
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-10-15

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by whmon on 02.11.13 23:24

@ProfessorPPlum wrote:
@russiandoll wrote:
@Carver wrote:An entire theory based around the fact she doesn't believe an innocent parent would describe the abduction of their child as a disaster?
  It is good to have an abduction believer on this forum as far as I know the Justice forum is the only place apart from here where doubters and believers are welcome on one site.

 I am open to persuasion that I am wrong in my beliefs, so could you please tell me, given the witness statements and rogatories, why you are convinced that this is a case of stranger abduction ?

 btw I note that in another of your posts you mention beliefs of doubters that Maddie was killed by one of her parents. That is not the only theory apart from an abduction which would account for her disappearance.
Well said russiandoll. 
Yes, Carver. I think the thing that distinguishes the people here from the so-called 'pro-McCann' people is that we're capable of discussing this case without needing to resort to abuse. In fact, the first one to give up and be rude to the other LOSES thumbsup Seriously though, it's great to debate this. I don't KNOW what happened. I know what I think happened based on what I know (and I recognise that isn't everything). There are reasons that I hold that view and those are based on a mixture of fact, logic and intuition as, I'm sure are your views. 
So often those who don't accept the abduction 'theory' (btw it isn't a strong theory at all since there is no evidence for it whatsoever) are often called 'haters'. The only thing I hate is that anyone feels so attached to a view of the McCanns (pro or anti) that they feel it entitles them to abuse another human being. There's been enough of that already.
Too true PPP I am reminded of Mark Twain: 'Never argue with a fool, onlookers might not be able to tell the difference'

____________________
This message is confidential and the information must not be used, disclosed, or copied to any other person who is not entitled to receive it. If you have received this message in error please notify the sender and then delete it.

whmon

Posts : 434
Reputation : 1
Join date : 2013-04-04
Location : Back of Beyond

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Re: Criminal profiler Pat Brown's latest blog 1/11/13 - "It's a Disaster" - Gerry McCann

Post by Carver on 02.11.13 23:25

@russiandoll wrote:
@Carver wrote:An entire theory based around the fact she doesn't believe an innocent parent would describe the abduction of their child as a disaster?
  It is good to have an abduction believer on this forum as far as I know the Justice forum is the only place apart from here where doubters and believers are welcome on one site.

 I am open to persuasion that I am wrong in my beliefs, so could you please tell me, given the witness statements and rogatories, why you are convinced that this is a case of stranger abduction ?

 btw I note that in another of your posts you mention beliefs of doubters that Maddie was killed by one of her parents. That is not the only theory apart from an abduction which would account for her disappearance.
Thanks for the welcome. I'm not convinced of stranger abduction, I just believe it to be the most likely explanation. People like to say there is zero evidence for abduction. Well we have witness sightings of men carrying sleeping children. We have numerous witness statements claiming to see suspicious men stalking the apartments before Madeleine disappeared, the unidentified 'charity collectors' going to doors around the apartments. Then there's the fact that apartment break-ins had increased x4 in the time leading up to Madeleine's disappearance (so it's a confirmed fact that people were at least breaking into these very apartments). What evidence do you expect to have in an abduction case? Has anybody compared it with the evidence available in similar abduction cases in the past? Do we know that this lack of evidence isn't the norm in such cases? I have no problems believing that a man wearing gloves or group of men took a sleeping 3 year old child out of her apartment while her parents were gone and left no evidence of them being there. I am also open to persuasion but have yet to see any real evidence of parent involvement, other than the obvious child neglect, which I think is the reason for any Tapas inconsistencies.

Edit - I'm not pro-McCann in the slightest, for the record.

Edit #2 - So does this mean I'm the first/only person on here who's an abduction believer? beware

Carver

Posts : 55
Reputation : 0
Join date : 2013-11-02

View user profile

Back to top Go down

Page 2 of 5 Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next

View previous topic View next topic Back to top


 
Permissions in this forum:
You cannot reply to topics in this forum