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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 02.11.13 10:27

Let's keep in mind PeterMac's points plus the fact that we also know that PJ have NOT even begun work on the case yet.

And that what we're hearing is a LOT of noise created by a feeding frenzy in the largely amoral mainstream media in response to manipulation and misuse  by Clarence Mitchell and the McCanns with a bit of SY obfuscation thrown in for good measure. 

To misquote UltimaThule from a couple of weeks back - HOLD YOUR NERVE friends and lovers of justice and the truth.

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Post by Silver Shuffle on 02.11.13 10:39

Madeleine McCann

As is the case with any situation in which a child goes missing, notwithstanding formal dismissal of the inquiry into her disappearance, and just as has always been publicly stated, the Polícia Judiciária never stopped paying close attention to any and all information that might possibly shed light on the whereabouts of the minor Madeleine McCann, the circumstances surrounding her disappearance and the identity of the perpetrator(s).

It was with this goal in mind that in March 2011 the National Director of the Polícia Judiciária entrusted a team of investigators from the North Directorate with the mission of reassessing, as a whole, the vast amount of information gathered during the inquiry, aimed at identifying data for which a more in-depth investigation might be useful and possible.

The reassessment which took place over the last two years and a half suggested new evidence to have surfaced, which, requiring the investigation to proceed, meets the requirements set out by section 279(1) of the Portuguese Code of Criminal Procedure for reopening of the inquiry.

Accordingly, a request for reopening was made to the Public Prosecutor for the jurisdiction of Portimao, and approval granted by the latter.

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Post by stillsloppingout on 02.11.13 10:44

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if one of our learned members could contact the Cape Verde consulate stating we are behind them , incorperating the link to this site .it would be of great benefit. Once again the Machine has not only distroyed another family it has shamed a nation .enough

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Post by tasprin on 02.11.13 11:24


Strange front page. 5 euros for Maddie, and everything else is free.

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Post by TMH on 02.11.13 11:25

So tractorman, who was a "drug addict" and used to raid apartments to feed his habit, was "eventually" sacked for robbing from the till?? Surely. if it was known that he robbed from the apartments, it would be instant dismissal? Why sack him for a lesser offence of nicking from a till and not robbing from the 
guests? Doesn't make sense!!         thinking

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Post by notlongnow on 02.11.13 11:27

Surprised a desperate addict left no traces and left the passports.

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Post by chillyheat on 02.11.13 11:27

Suspect AKA Toni.....How convenient that must be for the email sent to Charles office.
I believe this is all spin to direct away from the email. The more people search the files, the more names pop up. Some would want a distance from it.

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Post by tiny on 02.11.13 11:56

How much drugs would 5euros buy,biggest load of bo**** I have ever read,get the mccanns and tapas lot back for a reconstruction,JOB DONE..

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Post by Cristobell on 02.11.13 12:02

@notlongnow wrote:Surprised a desperate addict left no traces and left the passports.
And of course, no evidence of 'burglar' looking for cash or valuables in the parents' room.

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Post by notlongnow on 02.11.13 12:16

@Cristobell wrote:
@notlongnow wrote:Surprised a desperate addict left no traces and left the passports.
And of course, no evidence of 'burglar' looking for cash or valuables in the parents' room.
Indeed.
Guessing the next phase is to suggest he gave the kids some of his drugs.spin

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Post by jozi on 02.11.13 12:37

I think this is one of the more ridiculous stories that have been put out into the public arena and SY are making themselves look completely stupid by going along with this charade !!! The disgruntled ex-employee, who was a drug addict and thief, who decided to get even with his ex-employers by stealing a child ??? He never took any valuables that were left lying around ( Gerry said so himself ) only kidnapped a child and more to the point where was the ransom note if he so desperately needed money, there was a reward offered at the start of this charade that was never claimed !!!

By all these nonsense stories being released one thing we cannot dismiss is the emphasis on a dead Maddie

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Post by tiny on 02.11.13 12:49

All the  while we read about these ridiculous storys,the mccanns are laughing and clapping their hands with glee to think the press are actually printing this shite while taking the heat of off them 

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Post by Woburn_exile on 02.11.13 12:53

@tiny wrote:How much drugs would 5euros buy,biggest load of bo**** I have ever read,get the mccanns and tapas lot back for a reconstruction,JOB DONE..
Tiny please, this is not going to happen. The only way this is going to get resolved is if one of them in the know spills the beans. I wished aloud that the "BIG Boys" of investigation could become involved so they could ask 3 critical questions to KM. Never mind the 48 she didn't answer before, just 3 will do.

Hello Kate kissy kissy cuddle wuddle.

Kate when you think of Madeleine today do you see ......................................................................................................................................................................................

Or Kate when you think of Madeleine today do you imagine ................................................................................................................................................................................

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Post by Joss on 02.11.13 12:58

This story is getting more and more absurd. Why would they even release such a crock if there is absolutely no evidence against the man. Just more wild goose chases IMO. I maintain that they have nothing. There was absolutely no evidence of a break in or an abduction to the McCann's apartment. They must really think the general public have lost their minds if they believe the public is going to swallow this nonsense. Ugh!

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Post by Joss on 02.11.13 13:02

@tiny wrote:All the  while we read about these ridiculous storys,the mccanns are laughing and clapping their hands with glee to think the press are actually printing this shite while taking the heat of off them 
Well i think all the McC's have to do is read the comments sections of some of these ridiculous articles in the papers and see that these stories are swaying more of the people against them, and not in their favour. I think they need to go have a different kind of pity party, people are sick of the BS, and they're sick of the McCann's.

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Post by Guest on 02.11.13 13:08

There are people, who one of these days have to eat their own words ...

Mr Mitchell made his comments when questioned by a 'Prime Time' team in a report on the disappearance to be screened tomorrow. "There was no evidence of a break-in," said Mr Mitchell.

Trish said: "When Kate checked, she came out screaming. Maddy had gone. The door was open and the window in the bedroom and shutters were jemmied open. Nothing had been touched and no valuables taken."

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Post by bristow on 02.11.13 13:23

Châtelaine wrote:There are people, who one of these days have to eat their own words ...

Mr Mitchell made his comments when questioned by a 'Prime Time' team in a report on the disappearance to be screened tomorrow. "There was no evidence of a break-in," said Mr Mitchell.

Trish said: "When Kate checked, she came out screaming. Maddy had gone. The door was open and the window in the bedroom and shutters were jemmied open. Nothing had been touched and no valuables taken."
Yes that says it all.

To me this is a non story. just a load of shite stirred up by the gutter press albeit to the detriment of a poor deceased soul.

I'm going to ignore this story, it's beyond ridiculous.

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Post by PeterMac on 02.11.13 13:31

Châtelaine wrote:There are people who one of these days have to eat their own words ...

Mr Mitchell made his comments when questioned by a 'Prime Time' team in a report on the disappearance to be screened tomorrow. "There was no evidence of a break-in," said Mr Mitchell.

Trish said: "When Kate checked, she came out screaming. Maddy had gone. The door was open and the window in the bedroom and shutters were jemmied open. Nothing had been touched and no valuables taken."
Exactly.

It is entirely irrelevant whether the prime suspect is
Bundleman, Tannerman, Smithman, Gypsyman, Swarthyman, Beckhamwoman, Tractorman, criminalman, paedo**man, traffickerman, drug dealerman, sacked-and-pissedoffman, or anything else.

Clarence MITCHELL said - see above
There was NO EVIDENCE OF A BREAK IN.
(And Trish was simply repeating what her dear brother had told her to - which turned out to be a complete fabrication - a lie.)
The remains no evidence of a break in, nor of any entry, nor exit, nor presence in the apartment of anyone who should not have been there.
There is no evidence.

What part of that do they not understand.
A suspect is great - but only once you have evidence that a crime has been committed.
You can have a crime and NO SUSPECT.
You cannot have suspect and NO CRIME

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Post by Joss on 02.11.13 13:32

@bristow wrote:
Châtelaine wrote:There are people, who one of these days have to eat their own words ...

Mr Mitchell made his comments when questioned by a 'Prime Time' team in a report on the disappearance to be screened tomorrow. "There was no evidence of a break-in," said Mr Mitchell.

Trish said: "When Kate checked, she came out screaming. Maddy had gone. The door was open and the window in the bedroom and shutters were jemmied open. Nothing had been touched and no valuables taken."
Yes that says it all.

To me this is a non story. just a load of shite stirred up by the gutter press albeit to the detriment of a poor deceased soul.

I'm going to ignore this story, it's beyond ridiculous.
ITA, And i don't think a lot of the general public are buying the BS either.

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Post by Cristobell on 02.11.13 14:13

I'm really not sure what to make of all this.  The fact that the PJ knocked on the widow's door, does indeed make it seem that they are pursuing this line of enquiry and although the PJ may not have said anything officially, current witnesses can and will speak out.  Good for Cape Verde having no truck with their citizens being used as scapegoats for the McCanns.  

If this is indeed subterfuge by the two police forces, they are going to extraordinary lengths to build their case.  It may be that they are pre-empting any new suspects thrown up by Team McCann when this case turns really nasty, which it will.  I feel that as though we all voyeurs of a surreal melodrama being played out before our eyes.  Within just a few days, the McCanns are due back in Court to continue their ludicrous claim for damages against Goncalo Amaral, the world having just discovered that the McCanns actively suppressed the sighting of the Smith family, thus doing a zillion times more damage to the 'search' for Madeleine than anything written by the admirable former detective.  

I am troubled however, that Scotland Yard came up with such a perfect solution for the Jane Tanner sighting, the huge cog, that made abduction impossible. Hope it was not a trial run for the big one, the pulling out of a hat an abductor in the right place at the time time and now conveniently run over by his tractor.  Its easy to become dismayed following these signs and speculating at to the conclusion.  Any leaks by the PJ or SY at this time may be part of the subterfuge, who knows.  The one thing we can be sure, is that Kate and Gerry didn't want Smithman in the public eye and now he is.

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 02.11.13 15:28

(double posting, apologies)

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Post by comperedna on 02.11.13 15:35

The comments after the Daily Mail article on the McCann case and tractorman tell us what Joe public thinks. It is all BS. However, many blame the Portuguese for wanting the case 'finished' once and for all, and some add that that goes for the Met as well. To be honest I think that if this is the level of 'investigation' we are going to get, both lots of police should pull out, declare the case unsolvable for lack of hard  evidence, and stop wasting public money.

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Post by ProfessorPPlum on 02.11.13 15:47

comperedna5 wrote:The comments after the Daily Mail article on the McCann case and tractorman tell us what Joe public thinks. It is all BS. However, many blame the Portuguese for wanting the case 'finished' once and for all, and some add that that goes for the Met as well. To be honest I think that if this is the level of 'investigation' we are going to get, both lots of police should pull out, declare the case unsolvable for lack of hard  evidence, and stop wasting public money.
I agree - but if you take the police (of either country) at face value, the last thing they want is someone a) avoiding justice and b) insulting them from the outset and at every step. I would imagine that in either team of police involved in this case the distrust of the McCanns and an appetite to see them brought to justice will be at LEAST as strong as it is in this forum, if not stronger.

Take a couple of examples of police we know on this forum: Senor Amaral and our very own PeterMac. Both in their different ways inspire us with confidence. Snr Amaral with his gentle, non-reactive intelligence. PeterMac with his cool, logical powers of observation. I don't start from an assumption that either of these people are unusual for their respective forces. 

The ONLY reason (IMO) the McCanns are still free to do what they're doing is because it has - so far - proved impossible to obtain the hard evidence required to bring a case and secure convictions. All the rest is just noise.

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Post by melisande on 02.11.13 16:28

@ChillyHeat wrote:
@sallypelt wrote:Daily Star front page

"Maddie stolen for 5 Euros"lol4 lol4 lol4 lol4

http://news.sky.com/

Theres that  number "5" again.....
What does the number 5 signify?

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Post by Guest on 02.11.13 16:37

@ProfessorPPlum wrote: [...]the police (of either country) at face value, the last thing they want is someone a) avoiding justice and b) insulting them from the outset and at every step. I would imagine that in either team of police involved in this case the distrust of the McCanns and an appetite to see them brought to justice will be at LEAST as strong as it is in this forum, if not stronger.

Take a couple of examples of police we know on this forum: Senor Amaral and our very own PeterMac. Both in their different ways inspire us with confidence. Snr Amaral with his gentle, non-reactive intelligence. PeterMac with his cool, logical powers of observation. I don't start from an assumption that either of these people are unusual for their respective forces. 

The ONLY reason (IMO) the McCanns are still free to do what they're doing is because it has - so far - proved impossible to obtain the hard evidence required to bring a case and secure convictions. All the rest is just noise.
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